AI Concerns and Setting Boundaries
Topics:
“Artificial Intelligence and the Shift”
“Younger Generations and the Shift”
“Artificial Intelligence and Self-Awareness”
“Setting Boundaries”
Wednesday, December 28, 2022 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean-François (Samta)
(Audio begins partway through session)
ELIAS: Continuing.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Hey, good day, Elias! The voice of sanity.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: I would like to begin with a few questions about artificial intelligence. I’ve been playing with it recently.
ELIAS: How so?
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Well, there are new AI tools that have been released publicly in recent times, so it’s been getting a lot of attention. So you know I’ve been very curious about this for a good while, but with very much mixed feelings. And my first question to you would be: what would you say is likely to be the role of artificial intelligence in creating the kind of economy that you’ve described we are creating with this shift in consciousness? An economy of direct exchanges in which people are involving themselves with what they are passionate about or simply what they want to do, and not being contrived by monetary survival. So what is likely to be the role of AI in this?
ELIAS: That depends. I would say that there are many different directions that that can move in. Some in the direction of companionship. Some in the direction of helpmates. Some in the direction of partners in relation to creations, therefore similar to business partners. Some simply in relation to research. But it simply depends on what the people want to engage with them, how the people choose to be sharing and engaging with them. Therefore it could be many, many different types of expressions.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes. So basically what you’re saying is that there is no really set direction with this and its place in the new economy that’s going to be in place by the end of the century?
ELIAS: No. Not at this point.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know it’s not that hard to imagine some pretty dire scenarios with artificial intelligence, but—
ELIAS: Meaning what?
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Equally, like the reverse is true as well. Well, you know, in a way at least for now, at least for the moment being, it looks like all these AI applications, it’s moving in a direction where it’s making choices for us. And that was going to be a question, actually. With its automating processes, even like creativity and artistry is being increasingly invested by that automation. How does this fit with the shift? Like how is the technology that makes more and more choices for us compatible with the direction of the shift? Or is it merely displacing creativity and choice-making to new areas, while relieving us from involvement in other areas?
ELIAS: I would say those are all choices, my friend. And in that, I would say that these are the beginning stages in which these expressions of what you term to be artificial intelligence, they’re making suggestions.
Now; if you move in the direction of allowing that to be making choices for you, then those are YOUR choices. I would say that they’re not making choices for you, they’re simply learning. Therefore, they’re expressing in certain directions that they’re anticipating what YOU would express. They’re mimicking. That’s how you yourselves as infants learn. You mimic. And in that, through that imitation, through that copying, you begin to learn expressions for yourself. They’re doing the same thing. They’re not taking over for you. They’re not taking your choices or making choices for you. They’re anticipating, based on repetitions, based on observation of your repetitions and based on their somewhat limited awareness, let us say, of language and what you do with it. They’re actually simply anticipating and then generating suggestion.
Now; that suggestion may be in the form of inserting a choice into something, but then you have the choice to correct it or to change it. Therefore, their choice or what you think of as their choice, isn’t final. And in that, if you move in a direction of allowing them to make choices for you, then that is YOU moving in the direction of your fear and actualizing it.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah.
ELIAS: Because they have no agenda, except to learn.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, I guess in a way it’s… the concern is not so much artificial intelligence. The concern is humans.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: When you put technology in the hands of humans, what are we going to actually do with that?
ELIAS: THAT I would express I would very much understand.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Would you say it is likely that as we move into the shift, the newer generations will have more and more of an urge to affirm the sovereignty of the individual and the desire to be making one’s own choices, in contrast to existing generations right now?
ELIAS: I would say that younger generations are already by nature being more tolerant and more accepting, but they are also facing a significant amount of opposition in that, because older generations have very strong opinions and are not as (pause) accepting and as tolerant, and are not as tolerant of tolerance. And therefore, there is in your terms a significant amount of pushback in relation to what is being expressed by younger generations, by the older generation.
But I would say that the younger generations are strong, and that because of that strength it is helping and having an influence with older generations in movements in more tolerant directions. And I remind you that negative is always louder than positive. It doesn’t mean it’s stronger. It doesn’t mean there is more of it. It simply means it’s louder.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Mm. Yeah, and I heard a discussion of yours with an individual recently about the right and the wrong and the direction we’re going with this shift, and that you haven’t really emphasized that as much up to now because we weren’t ready for that.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: That was so good, by the way. And you know, I was pondering on that and it’s true, you know, when right and wrong disappear or diminish, everything is acceptable and everyone becomes a teacher and every situation becomes a teacher, from that perspective.
ELIAS: I agree. I very much agree. And in that, when you’re not in a direction of attempting to prove the right or the wrong of something or someone, then you’re more open to considering differences and their perspective.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes. I think I’m doing that more than I used to.
ELIAS: I agree.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Although you know, in my complements session a couple of months ago I guess now, (laughs) I did catch you saying, you termed like… I forget what exactly you were saying but you said, “what you think as truth,” referring to me. And I’ve been pondering on that at different times, and I’d like to bring that back for discussion, maybe even later in this discussion. But I just want to circle back to the AI. So in how you were describing the younger generations, is that to say that in their hands something like AI, we’re less likely to orient that, to direct that in a fashion, in a way where maybe it attempts to impose choice or that we move in a direction of like being caught in all the automations, you know, that…? Does that make sense?
ELIAS: I know what you are attempting to express, and let me express to you that yes, in relation to the younger generations, the technology of AI is likely not going to move in a direction of your motion pictures.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: (Laughs) Let me give you a simple, inoffensive example. So you know like these, there’s partial AI in all sorts of house appliances now. And we have this dryer here where I live, and it decides when the clothes are dry or not and there’s no way out of it. And so when it decides your clothes are dry, it stops. And then I check the clothing and it’s not dry. So I start it again, and then it’s like, it’s like saying, “No, bitch, it’s dry so I’m stopping.” (Laughs) That’s inoffensive, right? But it’s like these kinds of behaviors, if they… if they… they increase, it’s just like it’s hard to imagine that being beneficial or advantageous.
ELIAS: In that, then it’s a matter of you being the human and discovering where the reset is.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah. Yeah, then you just find tricks around it (Elias laughs) but anyways. Okay, one more question about AI as I was pondering on all that. I was going to ask you, because you’ve said to me before that what we have right now is not actual, real AI, that that is still in the future. And when we actually have true AI or in the definition of true AI, is that to say that AI will be self-aware?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: And—
ELIAS: (Inaudible) the point. That’s what you’re moving towards. What you’re moving towards is the actualization of being what you are, which is god. Which is not something that is to be feared or to be expressed as all knowing, all ever present. That would be tremendous if you would be, in physical focus, but it’s highly unlikely, even after the shift. But I would say that what you’re doing is you’re actualizing into physical reality what you are. You’re creators. And in that, you want to be able to create something that is, in a manner of speaking, in your own image. If it isn’t even precisely your image in a physical image, you’re moving in the direction of creating something that is aware, that is a sentient being, that isn’t generated from procreation.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Well, is that to say that AI will be or become essence?
ELIAS: It might. Just because something is a sentient being doesn’t mean that it’s essence.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: No, but I mean is that even a possibility? I wouldn’t have thought necessarily, previously, that engineering machinery that even if becomes somewhat self-aware, that that would be constituting an essence. But the more I thought about it, I was like well, I only view it that way because of separation. I only view that, I only put that as an impossibility because I create, there’s so much separation that I, you know, perceive between physical and non-physical that… like I don’t see how we could seed that into machinery. But I wasn’t so sure. I’m like well, what if it is possible?
ELIAS: It IS possible. I would say that your first step was moving in the direction of clones. In creating the technology to be able to clone a living being, you moved closer in the direction of AI and in doing so you moved closer in the direction of actually creating new essences. Because in that, when you generate a clone, that’s the question isn’t it? If you create a clone of something, let’s say you create a clone of someone, does that someone that is the clone have a soul?
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah. And?
ELIAS: Therefore, if it has a soul then it would be essence also.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes. But does it? (Laughs)
ELIAS: Therefore in that, the question in that, when YOU create something—
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: But that is still like biologically based, you know. Like for software to become self-aware, that constituting essence, that’s even more wild.
ELIAS: Another step. But I would also say that even as we speak at this point in your history, you’re already moving in the direction of merging that software and technology and machinery, so to speak, with organic matter. Therefore, you’re already marrying the two and in doing so moving closer in relation to having very little distinction between what is a machine and what is not.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Mm. Why does that make me nervous? (Laughs)
ELIAS: That is an interesting question because I would say that actually there’s no reason for it to make you nervous—
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: No, I know why.
ELIAS: — or (inaudible).
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: I know why. It’s because I kind of believe we don’t really know what we’re doing or we’re advancing experimentally and I don’t really know, you know. I think—
ELIAS: Of course you don’t (inaudible). I agree with you. You don’t know what you’re doing. And in that, you didn’t know what you were doing when you were building rockets either, to launch into space, and—
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Or were creating the atomic bomb, yeah.
ELIAS: Correct. You didn’t know what you were doing there either. And in that, you experiment and you move in different directions and with some of those directions they can be very destructive and with some of them they can also be very beneficial. And in that, you don’t need weapons to be very destructive. You could be very destructive yourself.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes. Yes. For sure.
ELIAS: What I would say is that as you were discussing previously, the younger generations are not as interested in dominance and claiming. And therefore, their movement, their agenda is different.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes.
ELIAS: In this, I would say that whatever is being created in these new expressions of AI, remind yourself that yes, you are creating this and it is a tremendous accomplishment, and regardless of what the form is, they’re babies. They’re just learning. They have no agenda other than to learn.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Well, it is all very fascinating. This is why I bring it up as a subject of discussion. It’s not like I’m dead set against it. It’s just it’s not hard to see, like the ethical dilemmas in all this. So—
ELIAS: I agree, and I would say that in previous time frameworks you faced yourselves with ethical dilemmas about clones.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Are there human, are there human clones walking among us that are… haven’t been disclosed?
ELIAS: Are there human clones? Yes. Are they walking among you? No.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Okay.
ELIAS: I would say that yes, there are human clones but they are very, very young. And they’re being monitored very carefully.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: So they’ve been cloned not as fully-formed humans but as like—
ELIAS: Oh no. THAT once again, my friend, is the stuff of your motion pictures.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Well, I don’t know. You said to us a few years ago—
ELIAS: That is not—
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Huh?
ELIAS: That is not how the actual technology is expressed. No.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Okay. Okay.
ELIAS: How a clone is generated is from single cells.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
ELIAS: And in that, then they are produced more and more and they are grown. And in that, they are grown from infants, from fetuses.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Right. Right. You know, you said to us a few years ago that like in fifteen years our world would look like science fiction to us. It’s starting to look like that. (Elias laughs) It’s starting to look like that. It’s pretty, it’s pretty wild.
One more question actually about AI Will true AI, will that interface or be able to interface with non-physical consciousness?
ELIAS: I would express why wouldn’t it? You do.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Well… Right.
ELIAS: Why would it not be able to, if it learns from you? And if it becomes self-aware, then why would it not be able to? I would say it would.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Okay. All right, I’ll drop the AI conversation here for now, but this is all very interesting. Let’s bring it back to more… hm… Let’s bring it back to a little bit more human. (Elias laughs) Can you be, can a person be open when [they] still put boundaries with people?
ELIAS: Of course.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: How would you define…? I was musing on that. Like what does that mean, to have a boundary with people? I was wondering like maybe all it takes really is to… if keeping attention on self immediately puts a kind of boundary?
ELIAS: Mm…
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: No?
ELIAS: No. Boundaries are expressed somewhat intentionally. I say that because at times people are expressing boundaries and they’re not entirely intentionally doing that. But for the most part, they are an intentional action and they’re not intended to make you not open or to close you off from other people. What they are intended to do is to focus yourself, your attention, on what you’re doing or what is important to you in certain areas or in relation to certain subjects, until you are strong enough to maintain that attention and that awareness naturally. Then you won’t require setting boundaries.
You set boundaries to create a type of focal point for yourself of something that you pay attention to because it’s important to you, something that in a manner of speaking you have a weakness in. Meaning that it’s something that you don’t automatically pay attention to yourself in, and therefore you might allow other people to dictate to you, or you allow other people to engage actions that are uncomfortable for you because you’re not considering you. It’s not about them not considering you. It’s about YOU’RE not considering you in your position. And therefore the other people are simply doing what they do. They’re not considering that they’re doing anything that is uncomfortable for you, and you’re not necessarily informing them. That’s when you would perhaps require the action of setting boundaries, because that focuses your attention on something that is important to you, that you’re not enforcing, that you’re not expressing. Therefore you’re allowing other people’s choices to override your own.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Mm. So it’s almost like a backup plan. (Laughs)
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: It’s a backup plan where you limit your involvement while you strengthen yourself, and then maybe from that position, that strength position, then you may be enforcing or you may be expressing yourself more…
ELIAS: Correct. Naturally.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Completely. Yeah.
ELIAS: And you’re not actually limiting yourself by setting boundaries. By setting boundaries, what you’re doing actually is the opposite. You’re giving yourself more freedom, because what you’re doing is you’re actually setting somewhat of a limitation of other people—
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Mm-hm. Right. It’s the other—
ELIAS: — and what you will participate with and what you won’t. You already don’t want to participate in whatever it is that they’re doing. You’re participating because you don’t necessarily know how to not. And in that, what you’re doing by setting boundaries is you’re expressing what you won’t participate in, and by doing that, you’re actually limiting the other individual, not yourself.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Right. Okay, that’s a really good nuance.
ELIAS: And therefore in that, you’re doing that temporarily until you gain your own strength. When you have your own awareness, your own strength to express your choices, that you won’t participate in certain actions, then you don’t have to have those boundaries any longer. Boundaries are a temporary action that can be very valuable in helping to empower an individual and move them in a direction in which then they can direct themselves naturally and move in an expression of what is important to them.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yeah. Is that the same as buffering or buffering energy? Is that…? Is that…?
ELIAS: To a degree, yes. They’re very similar.
Now; the difference with buffering is that buffering can be done in varying degrees and what you, what an individual does when they’re buffering is they do close themselves to varying degrees. They push out other energies. They are not only not participating with the other energies, but they are actually pushing them away. Therefore that actually IS more of an action of closing off.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: I see.
ELIAS: That’s different from boundaries.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Okay. That’s good to know, another good nuance. This is very good. Thank you. You are the voice of sanity. (Elias laughs) I don’t think I’ve been very good in my life at putting boundaries. I don’t think I’ve… I don’t think I’ve…
ELIAS: It’s not something that generally most of you are taught.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: No. No, it’s like—
ELIAS: Therefore generally speaking, most of you wouldn’t naturally be very good at setting boundaries or even knowing HOW to—
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Exactly.
(The timer for the end of the session rings)
ELIAS: — to set boundaries or WHEN to set boundaries. And therefore, that’s a subject that is something that I have engaged considerable conversations with people about, in helping them to move in a direction in which they can do that successfully. Generally speaking, you’re not taught to set boundaries because if you were, you would begin setting them with your parents.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: No kidding. (Laughs)
ELIAS: And your parents definitely don’t want you to be setting boundaries with them, especially when you are a child, and therefore you’re not taught. It’s not that they don’t know about boundaries. They do, because you learn as you develop about boundaries and about how to be setting boundaries, but I would say that it’s something that people that don’t want you to set boundaries will definitely not be teaching you to do it.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Well, yeah, I guess not. I guess not.
Well, Elias, thank you so much. I always appreciate very, very thoroughly discussing with you. So, until next time.
ELIAS: You are tremendously welcome, my friend. (Chuckles) And as always, I would say I find our conversations quite stimulating. They are (inaudible) well thought out.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Ah! I’m glad you… I’m glad you’re enjoying it. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: In tremendous, tremendous love to you, my dear friend, and in great encouragement in what you’re doing, and encouragement in taking on subjects that might be initially slightly scary but finding out that they’re not as scary as you might have thought. (Chuckles)
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Yes. More of that coming.
ELIAS: (Laughs) In dear friendship, as always, au revoir.
JEAN-FRANÇOIS: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 43 minutes)
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