Balancing the Brain and Body
Topics:
“Balancing the Brain and Body”
“Defining Intelligence”
“Enhancing Creativity and Avoiding Depression: Use Your Hands”
“A Window into Other Focuses”
Tuesday, September 06, 2022 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and AJ (Matheo)
ELIAS: Good morning.
AJ: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: And how shall we begin?
AJ: How shall we begin? Well, I have an interview coming up in two days, on Thursday, and I've been studying obsessively for it. The interview goes from nine in the morning until two in the afternoon. They call it “the loop,” and it's just like back-to-back people interviewing you. There's a combination of questions, sort of like behavioral questions that they ask you, and where you're supposed to recount stories from, like, work history or personal to demonstrate the kind of things that they're looking for, qualities of your personality and your behavior. And then there's questions about algorithms that you have to go through, and there's questions about system design.
So like essentially all of my attention for at least three weeks now has been focused in this direction, to the point that I'm probably... I mean, I know that I was kind of getting a little bit out of balance just because there's so much thinking-oriented focus that I've had and trying to kind of memorize so much material – kind of like I'm studying for a big test and just cramming material as much as I can into my head at once.
So I've kind of been trying to balance, or at least not take it too far where I still am maintaining the studying at a high level, like a lot of focus on the studying, but somehow... just because I could start to recognize that I'm maybe burning the system up or something like that, like kind of running the risk at some points of working too hard and maybe like exhausting myself or things like that.
So first I just kind of wanted to touch base with you about it, see if perhaps you'd be willing to check in from your perspective of how it looks, my preparation, and see if you have any suggestions for how I could perform as well as I can on the interview in a couple days, maybe what I should do if there's any final ways to prepare or maybe not prepare, maybe just rest for a day or two coming into this.
ELIAS: THAT is what I would suggest. You've already got the information, you've already done the preparation, and I would say that moving more in that direction, actually you move in the direction of losing what you already know.
AJ: Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, it's a matter of allowing yourself to rest and not be expressing stress about it, but simply reinforce yourself in your confidence that you know what to do, you know what information that you need, that you have, and that in that, you are already prepared. Simply reinforce yourself in your confidence.
AJ: Okay. Okay. Yeah, I think that confidence is definitely an important thing, even sort of practicing some of the behavioral questions.
I have this tendency to be maybe a little too honest. And maybe it's not just about honesty, but it's like there could be a tendency to look for what I'm not good at, what I'm negative at, and kind of be admitting that. And, you know, when I tell a story, I may just have an urge to tell them, well, these are the things that I don't really know and this is where I am weak, kind of just habitually. As opposed to in that confident framework, you end up saying different things.
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: You… not boast, but you don't have to warn them about your weak points. (Laughs) There's no requirement for that.
ELIAS: Precisely. And what I would say to you is that being confident is simply expressing that you're good at something, and allowing yourself to acknowledge that.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: You ARE good at things, and in that, it's simply a matter of acknowledging that.
AJ: Yes. So is there, I mean, maybe today and tomorrow, simply going throughout the day trying to acknowledge getting in the habit a little of acknowledging –
ELIAS: What you're good at.
AJ: – the things that I'm good at, yeah.
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: And it could be any direction. I assume good at anything, I would imagine, would spill over. It doesn't have to be strictly software.
ELIAS: Correct. It doesn't matter. And I would say that that is important that you are moving in directions of acknowledging MANY things that you're good at, because that also is significant in relation to what you can do; that you are diversified, in a manner of speaking. That you're not simply two dimensional, that you can move in other directions and you can be creative.
AJ: Totally. Yeah.
ELIAS: And that also indicates that you think about other things, that you move in other directions, that you have interests that are not two dimensional.
AJ: Yes, definitely. It's interesting because I have wondered about that because I sort of have more of a diverse background, and I'm not kind of your someone who may have typically gone into software and has just been focusing in that career since then. I moved in different directions. I went into acupuncture, which is almost like much more of a right brain, as they say, type of direction.
ELIAS: Correct. I would say that these other skills, these other actions and directions are important, because they involve different manners of action and of thinking, and therefore that is very diversifying and it helps you to be a more creative person.
AJ: Yeah. I'm hoping that I can sort of demonstrate a balance, because I know a lot of the questions as I practice answering them… I mean, some of them are going to be a pure software question and so it's easy to answer what they want in terms of an algorithm or something like that, but when they ask the more behavioral ones, I have wondered about how much should I lean on maybe stuff that I've done in my acupuncture practice compared to stuff that I did in software a long time ago. It's so much less recent. A lot of my examples that came to mind for me were more in my recent history.
I think I'm kind of leaning on trying to get a balance where sometimes I will talk about stuff that happened a long time ago because that was when I was really in the industry. I want to demonstrate that I had that experience, but then also maybe draw from more recent stuff, even if it has nothing to do with software – because I did interact with people a lot more. I've learned a lot of lessons, especially in terms of how to communicate with people, connect with people that are, I think, hopefully valuable.
ELIAS: I would say they're definitely valuable. And I would very much encourage you, my friend, that this is the point, that you are expressing this diversity in yourself, and this is something that business looks for.
AJ: Nice. Okay. Yeah, I think it could… There's a potential that it can give me an advantage. I know sometimes I was even thinking, as I have kind of thought back to stuff that I was doing when I was in software long ago – because it was almost like 15 years ago now that I was working in my industry – and some of the experiences that I had, I know now if the same thing were to happen I would not make the same choices. In particular, I feel that I had certain opportunities that I didn't take advantage of because I was less willing to communicate with people, like my boss or something like that. That I realized that I probably had a lot more leeway to do things or to have the support of a company behind me and kind of be creative that I didn't really take advantage of because I was more isolating, sort of just in my own bubble without trying to leverage the groups of people around me. Whereas now, I’m much more… that's much more where my mindset is, is how can I organize the groups of people that help me accomplish something bigger?
ELIAS: Because you've grown.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: And therefore you have a different perception from what you may have had before. I would say that that's all part of your growth process, and in that, those are pieces that are significant to share also.
AJ: Totally. Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, to kind of demonstrate that, like this is what happened back then, and this is how I would do it different today.
ELIAS: Correct.
AJ: Yeah. All right, thank you. I will do that. I'll take this time to rest. I have been feeling that. I've kind of been a little bit torn because there's one voice in my head that was like, “Keep studying!” And then there's another voice that has been… well, not even a voice so much, but it's just been sort of a feeling of some fatigue and things like that.
Another friend of mine, too, did a Reiki session, like a distance Reiki session on me, and she told me (laughing) that I guess the Reiki assistants, or the healers that she connects with, were telling her that I was unbalanced head-wise; like a lot of stuff going on up in my head, so to speak, and that it needed to be rebalanced a little bit. So that seems to concur with what you're talking about too.
ELIAS: I would definitely agree. And I would say that it's important to simply rest – and rest your brain.
Because, let me say to you very genuinely my friend, that this happens with people in school a lot, in which they, in your terminology, cram and cram and cram for a test, and then they become unbalanced and they become tired. And what happens is then they don't perform as well, because they forget the information that they were cramming for.
And what happens very frequently is then they become very frustrated because when they will remember it is later when they sleep, they'll dream about it. And they'll dream about the answers that they gave and the answers that are correct, or the answers that they think they should have given. And in that, that creates considerable frustration and anxiety.
But the point is that they generally remember what they wanted to remember when they're sleeping.
AJ: (Laughing) Yeah, totally! When you're actually giving yourself that moment of rest.
ELIAS: Yes. When they finally relax and they finally allow themselves to rest, that's when they remember. For, that is the key: Rest first, and then you will remember during the time that you need to perform.
AJ: Totally. Yeah. I think that's a great idea. Because at this point it is true. I mean, I've been focused on it enough that I'm not unprepared, and even if I can't be prepared for every possible thing that they can throw at me, because it's just too much, I'm as prepared as I'm going to get now. So now it's just a matter of try to be as sort of sharp and rested as I can.
ELIAS: Precisely. That is wisdom.
AJ: Nice. Thank you. And thank you for (laughing) giving me some of that wisdom too. (Elias chuckles)
Cool. All right. Well, let me ask you, kind of going in a little bit different direction, in more of some... Well, actually, I guess before I do that, while we're on kind of more of this mind-oriented subject, I have wondered how you define intelligence. What does that mean to you? Especially because you hear the term, there's artificial intelligence and we use the term alternate intelligence because it's not actually artificial. But there's a distinction between intelligence, I assume, and consciousness. We don't mean the same thing, necessarily, but maybe there's some overlap.
ELIAS: Correct.
AJ: I mean, how would you define intelligence? What is it to you?
ELIAS: Intelligence is your ability to take in information and learn.
AJ: Hm. (Pause) Interesting. So do you think... Sometime earlier in the 20th century, but not super early – maybe like mid-20th century – there was… I don't remember the guy who did this, but he started looking for correlations in different ways that they could give tests to people. So sometimes you might give someone a math test, and then you might give someone, like, a reading test. You might give someone all variety of things where it could be different subject matters.
And he started noticing that there was this correlation, a statistical correlation, between if you performed higher on one test then it was also much more likely that you would also perform higher on this other test. And from that, he kind of postulated that there was this thing called “general intelligence” or “the g-factor.” Which, there's no proof per se that it is like a real thing in the human beings; we just definitely see it statistically, right? Like, if you do these studies of people and you look at the mathematics, you can see that there is this correlation.
But the idea of IQ and IQ tests, what it's trying to do is measure that g-factor.
ELIAS: Correct.
AJ: It's very controversial, of course, because it seems that people can't really improve it, like it's something that you were just born with: you're born with a certain amount or not, and that it tends to be very genetically oriented, but that you kind of either got it or you don't.
ELIAS: I would disagree with all of that. (Crosstalk)
AJ: You would what?
ELIAS: Because intelligence IS something that can be developed. It IS something that can be improved. And it automatically naturally develops and improves with experience.
That alone, what you might learn in whatever you choose to study, but simply in relation to life and your experience in life, it improves or adds to your intelligence.
AJ: Hm. So is there something with… Like, some people are born and they seem to be very intelligent people; they're born with high IQ. Is there something that implies with that? Is that like a developmental process across focuses, where you kind of have more and more experience as the essence that you develop more and more intelligence?
ELIAS: It can, but not necessarily. Because I would say that there are also individuals that have a tremendous amount of focuses and might incorporate focuses that have what you would identify as a very low intelligence; and in that, it is the choice of the experience of that focus, what they are exploring. It has to do with their intent and their desire.
But I would say that it CAN be at times an allowance of a particular focus to be accessing a tremendous amount of experience and information from other focuses, filtering them through one. Generally they choose one subject. Therefore, you will see individuals that are deemed as genius, that they are genius in one subject. They are not genius in everything. But that that one focus may, yes, draw upon the accumulation of experiences of many of their focuses and then filter them through one, and the individual will express that genius quality from very, very young ages – actually some of them from birth, but as I said, will express that in one subject.
Therefore they may be a genius in music, or they may be a genius in mathematics or physics or painting or in computer programming. It could be anything. But they will generally not be expressing genius in more than one direction.
AJ: Sure.
ELIAS: Because it's too much information. The human brain at this point in your history is not equipped to process that much information – genius level, so to speak – in more than one subject, because you don't yet use enough of your physical brain to be able to process that much information.
AJ: Yeah, which does bring up… I was kind of wondering along those lines to the extent that intelligence is connected to or related to the brain or to thinking or to… For example, is all non-physical consciousness a complete utter genius in everything? And is someone who’s a genius, is that them just having the ability to connect more to that non-physical information? Or is it more something that's happening within the physical?
ELIAS: As I said, no, it's not necessarily that they are processing essence information. As I said, what they're doing is they're drawing upon the experiences of other focuses of themself. Therefore, in that, they’re accessing memory; they're accessing more memory than only belongs to this focus. They're accessing ALL memory in relation to a particular subject.
Remember: Within your body consciousness, you hold all memory of ALL of your focuses. Therefore, you have the ability to access all of that information, all of those experiences. You don't do it because your physical brain doesn't have the capacity – yet – to process that much information. Therefore, much of the memory that you hold in your body consciousness is, in a manner of speaking, inaccessible to you.
You could access it, but it's not easy. It would be challenging. You could access it through hypnosis, but even with that, you likely wouldn't be able to recall all of it. Because you only use a small percentage of your physical brain at this point, and therefore, your physical brain can't process that much information.
AJ: Okay.
ELIAS: And that's the reason that if an individual is expressing genius qualities, they're expressing them only in one subject.
AJ: Gotcha. So with regard to the brain and its developing to be able to access more memories in such a way that it can process them together, is that something that our brain, really the configuration, has to change, like there has to be…? Or is it already sort of capable of it, it's just that we're not really...
ELIAS: It's capable of it; you're simply not accessing enough of your brain capacity yet. Now, that is changing. And as you create more neural pathways, you are actually expanding the use of your brain.
I would say that within your 20th century, or the first half of your 20th century, the human brain capacity had developed to approximately 8%. Eight percent is not much, and you have increased that considerably, and now most of you engage between 13% to 19% of your brain capacity. But still, that is not much. I would say that you're still in a position, let us say, in which you're not accessing most of your brain; you're not using most of your physical brain. And therefore, that is the reason that you have certain limitations, because your physical brain is what is processing perception, thought, even feelings. And in that, it's involved in all of those mechanisms.
It doesn't initiate them, but it does process them. And therefore, in that, the less brain capacity you use, the less you can actually process and engage. Therefore, the more you are engaging your brain capacity, the more you can do and the more you can process in information – and even in energy. Because your brain is your command center of your body. And therefore, it commands your nervous system, and your nervous system is what allows you to process energy.
AJ: Interesting. Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, you have a limited amount, or capacity, for processing energy.
Now, what that means is not that you have a tremendously limited ability to process energy in relation to what you use and what you engage, but I would say that this is the reason that there is a limit to how much essence energy you can actually incorporate in your physical body consciousness, because your nervous system cannot support it. And your nervous system can't support it because your brain capacity, or what you USE of your brain, is not enough.
AJ: Okay. And expanding that, is that almost just a matter of somehow exercising it in ways that we're…? Because it seems like maybe a lot of our conventional methods of educating ourselves is, even though we can learn, we definitely can learn about subjects and apply those subjects, apply what we learn to those subjects – maybe. Is there a different method of exercising, so to speak, to expand the amount of our brains that we're using and the capacity of our nervous system?
ELIAS: Most definitely. And that is definitely not in the direction of how you are taught in schools.
AJ: Right. So how would one do it?
ELIAS: How you are taught in schools is one method for everyone, and that definitely is very inefficient. I would say that it's a matter of each individual being encouraged and allowed to learn and exercise their physical brain through learning in directions that are natural to them.
Because what your schools don't realize yet, even at this late date, is that it doesn't matter actually what an individual naturally gravitates to in any particular subject that they would excel in and that they would be interested in. One subject connects you to ALL subjects. Everything is interconnected. Therefore, that is another piece that is significant for you in relation to your game, to know that one subject connects to ALL subjects.
Therefore, art connects to mathematics. Music connects to mathematics. Cooking connects to mathematics. EVERYTHING connects to mathematics. Therefore, it doesn't matter what the subject is.
Every subject connects to language. Every subject connects to science. Every subject connects to geography. All subjects are interconnected. Therefore, regardless of what the subject is that an individual is interested in and that they excel in, it will automatically connect to all other subjects, and therefore, the more the individual is encouraged and allowed to connect with and exercise their brain with the subject that they excel at and that they are interested in, the more they will connect with ALL subjects and exercise their brain in EVERY direction. But that's not how you structure in your societies.
AJ: No.
ELIAS: (With emphasis) That is another reason that in this Shift the emphasis is on the individual – not the group, but the individual, EVERY individual – and the importance of every individual.
AJ: Are you saying here that the way to kind of maximize how quickly or how much you in a focus can expand the use of your brain and the capacity of your nervous system is by being able to allow yourself to move more naturally in subjects that inspire and intrigue you as opposed to forcing yourself onto, or being forced onto, existing one-size-fits-all tracks?
ELIAS: Yes. And – the other very important factor is involving the body. It's all about balance.
Therefore, also as I've expressed pastly, that the encouragement of people to use their hands is very important, because people that use their hands don't become depressed. It's a very simple expression and it's a very simple principle, but it is very true. And in that, people that use their hands, or have been using their hands from childhood, won't experience depression.
And that is, in a manner of speaking, also a CURE for depression, is to be encouraging the individual to be using their hands.
In this, not only does it allow one to express creativity, but – and it doesn't matter what the individual is doing with their hands; they could be laying bricks! It doesn't matter. It encourages creativity, (forcefully) it calms the brain. It calms the thought mechanism to allow it to function naturally instead of functioning in an unnatural and dysfunctional capacity of loop thinking.
AJ: Right. Yeah, it's interesting you say that because I know I've definitely at various times felt depression or other psychological difficulties, but sometimes at some of the most challenging points of my life, especially when I had a piano – which I had had access to recently, though I play several other instruments – but in particular there was something about the piano that I think the combination of the sound qualities and… So intuitionally I even looked into this sometimes, and it talked to me about the body movement. The simultaneous movement with the sound qualities was extremely, like, soothing and a coping mechanism – to the point that sometimes I think I overused it. I would end up playing the piano a lot because I found it just so comforting.
ELIAS: Sometimes when an individual is overwrought, it may REQUIRE them to use a method of using their hands a lot. And in that, it's actually not a matter of overusing. What I would say is if an individual moves in that direction and it seems that they are overusing or whatever, that is an indicator that there is some definite issue.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: That there's a definite problem that is occurring, because the individual is moving in a direction of almost obsessively needing to generate that action to cope.
AJ: Yeah, totally.
ELIAS: Therefore, in that, that can be a very good communication and offering valuable information to the individual that they require addressing to something. But I would say that you will notice that even if you are an individual that has been prone to depression, so to speak, using your hands will move you out of it.
AJ: Absolutely. It's extremely helpful.
ELIAS: And I would say that one of the reasons that the piano is very different from any other instrument is because it is so versatile and it has such a wide range – not only of notes, but of chords and of expression.
AJ: Yeah. So many different styles.
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: It's like the lens between a percussion instrument versus something that is totally a harmonic instrument, you know? I can do both of them, and anywhere in between.
ELIAS: Yes. And I would say that in that, the piano is perhaps the most versatile in relation to using both hands.
AJ: Yeah, very much, like left-right. It's kind of very symmetric balance, yeah. Is that good for the brain too, a lot of that? You know, there’s various…?
ELIAS: It is. Yes, it is.
Now, I would also say that another instrument that is similar, not QUITE as versatile as the piano but very close depending on the type of direction that you move in and how you play it, would be the guitar.
AJ: Yeah. That was actually where I started too, with the guitar.
The piano though, it seemed to connect me… When I started playing the piano, it seemed more… it kind of blended so much with music theory that I… For me, anyway, it was… Like I felt like playing the guitar I kind of plateaued and kind of got stuck, but with the piano it suddenly opened up so much more written music, which expanded me into different genres, into jazz, into classical, which… but yeah.
ELIAS: I understand. And I would say, yes, the only other instrument that could rival it would be the guitar, but even that is not as diverse as the piano.
AJ: Totally. Totally.
Okay, so what about doing something like exercising? Like, you know, say if I go swimming. I mean, is that helping me?
ELIAS: Definitely, yes.
AJ: That's helping me use more brain power even though you don't think of it as sort of like an intellectual exercise at all?
ELIAS: Correct, but it's important because it creates that balance with the body.
AJ: Okay.
ELIAS: And what it does is it strengthens your circulatory system, and by strengthening your circulatory system AND your respiratory system, you also strengthen your physical brain. Because you're pumping blood and oxygen to your brain, and your brain requires a constant flow of blood and oxygen to it to keep it functioning properly.
Therefore, yes, keeping the body consciousness mobile and in a healthy condition also is tremendously instrumental with your brain.
AJ: And the other direction that has been significant for me is some sort of meditation and energy work practices. How important are those to this direction?
ELIAS: Very. Very, very, very important.
Now; this is the reason that I encourage everyone in relation to meditation, because what meditation does is it also affects the nervous system, but it also affects all of your organs, and it includes affecting of that system which is tremendously sensitive and delicate, which is your digestive system. And that's important, because when that isn't functioning properly, it affects everything.
Therefore, meditation is an excellent, excellent practice. It balances you; it centers you; it allows you to accomplish in whatever direction you choose and you intend. It calms and centers your digestive system and all of your organs.
Therefore, all of these practices, all move in a direction of harmony and interconnectedness, and they all support the development of the brain.
AJ: Cool. Okay.
ELIAS: But when you overwork the brain, then what happens is then you overstimulate the nervous system, you move the digestive system out of balance, you overwork the circulatory system and the respiratory system. You don't THINK you are, because you don't feel out of breath, but you're breathing differently. You're not breathing naturally; you breathe much more shallowly when you are attempting to overwork the brain. What happens then is you're not providing the brain with enough oxygen, and in that, you're also affecting the blood flow.
In all of that, that's the reason that you feel tired. And I would say that that is also the reason that then when it comes to the time that you are expected to perform, you choke.
AJ: Yeah. You're not at your peak performance. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Correct.
AJ: You're worn out.
ELIAS: Correct. And the most important piece in all of this is trust. Because it's a matter of trusting that you have the information that you need, that you have the skill that you need, and that you don't have to push yourself to such extremes. That you can relax, you can rest, and you're not going to lose all of that information and all of that skill. It's not going to simply disappear.
AJ: Yes. Thank you for mentioning that. Clearly there is… and I've even been aware of this, there is part of the motivation to keep studying beyond… you know, to push oneself, and that is fear that you don't know enough. It's a “not enough” expression for sure.
ELIAS: Yes, it is. I very much agree. And in that, that's the lack of trust. You're not trusting yourself that you did do enough and that you have the information and that it's not going to disappear.
AJ: Totally. Yes. Okay.
I'm thoroughly convinced that I'm going to be resting and relaxing for the next day and a half. (Laughs)
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Excellent! That is tremendous.
AJ: It'll be comfortable too. It's kind of a relief to be able to take a break.
ELIAS: Yes. I very much agree. (Chuckles)
AJ: I want to touch base with you about something, too, that has… I kind of started having this experience maybe a month ago, a couple months ago, when I am in my energy work – meditation practice – oftentimes I will sit in front of a mirror to do the meditation.
[The timer for the session rings]
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: And I will take like a soft focus so I'm not looking very crisply at my reflection. But something has been happening, and in particular last night it happened more than it's ever happened, is that suddenly what I'm seeing, different from what I experience when I'm going to sleep and have imagination or dream imagery happen, but almost as if – and I can't describe the difference, which is part of why I'm asking you about it – somehow what I'm seeing through my eyes – and this is just coming in flashes and like kind of high frequency flashes – is I can see a reflection in the mirror looking at me but the person that is looking back at me is changing. It’s flashing through many different people, and of a variety of different… like some women, some men, and they don't stay long enough for me to really delve into them, but a wide variety of people. And I know one of them even popped in last night that seemed almost like unhuman in the fact that they had something in their eyes, that their eyes had this light in them, almost like a glowing quality within the eyes.
I was wondering if you would kind of tell me what your take is on what is occurring there?
ELIAS: I would say it's very simple, my friend. What you're doing is you're presenting to yourself many, many, many other focuses.
I actually expressed this as an exercise with the original group of individuals that I engaged conversations with, that this is a simple manner to connect with other focuses of yourself. And you may even connect with other focuses from other dimensions in doing so, although I would say that that's not what you were doing. Those individuals that you saw in the mirror that had that strange appearance in their eyes, those were Egyptians.
AJ: Really!?
ELIAS: Ancient Egyptians that were known as the Shining Ones.
AJ: Oh!
ELIAS: And they were not only in Egypt; they traveled throughout the world.
AJ: Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Someone else in the forum just recently told me about the Shining Ones, so that's interesting that now I've kind of like presented them to myself in a much more tangible way.
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: Can you tell me sort of the experience that I have of that visualization? How is that differing from dream imagery? There's something very different about the characteristic that I sense of it.
ELIAS: Of course! Because you're connecting with it objectively when you are awake; and in that, it's a beginning of lucid waking.
AJ: Wow. Yeah. It's a very different character, and intriguing.
So could I get to the point where I can maintain it longer?
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: Because when it happens, it seems it's very... It's almost like there's some automatic switch in me that doesn't want that to... Almost like an instinctive thing of flashing me back to the quote-unquote “real world,” so I can only hold it for maybe like half a second or something with each flicker.
ELIAS: I would say the more you continue to do it, the more it will allow you, or you'll allow yourself, to hold with it.
AJ: Okay. And within that, is it opening up a channel to even actually connect with that focus in a tangible way where I'm not just observing them but I could have an interaction with them or like a communication between them?
ELIAS: You could. You could. But what I would say to you in that is choose one. Don't simply think about it randomly. Don't move in a direction of randomly expecting one to stand out to you, but choose one and then focus on that.
AJ: Okay. Yeah, because if I did it, I would want it to be not just arbitrary, but I would want to communicate something that was fruitful in a way, you know, that was adding to information that I'm curious about here, for example. Or maybe vice versa, if there's something that they're interested in that I have or know about.
ELIAS: I understand, but I would also say that in that, be patient, because it is also another factor of being able to process. You're giving yourself a window into other focuses that you can actually see, that you're actually allowing yourself to engage your senses with – or a beginning of. And in that, that is something that is… expanding, and something that you, as you as a focus, are not accustomed to doing.
These are other you’s of you. Therefore, yes, your body automatically is going to protect THIS identity.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: In that, I would simply express to you, be patient and keep practicing, and you can eventually move in that direction.
Now, when you connect, what I would say to you is it will change. In order to protect your identity in this focus, you might interact with another focus and it might not include color.
AJ: Okay.
ELIAS: To make a distinction.
AJ: I see. So that I can have a clear understanding of when it is quote-unquote “me” and when it is the other focus.
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: Okay. Interesting.
ELIAS: Because it's you.
AJ: Right, because it is also me, actually.
ELIAS: Correct. Therefore, you – your senses, your body – will likely generate some action such as removing color from the other focus to distinguish.
AJ: Okay. Interesting. That makes sense.
ELIAS: Not that you won't allow yourself to engage, but that you will do something to distinguish. And generally that's the most common expression is that what you do is you visually eliminate the color.
AJ: Yeah. Okay. Fascinating. And I'm assuming just in terms of being able to hold it longer, or hold that gate open longer, so to speak, that just relaxation will be important. Is there anything else that you want to suggest?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes, that is definitely important. You want to be relaxing. The more you tense, the faster it will move. The more you relax, the more you slow it.
AJ: Okay. Cool. Awesome!
All right. Well, I'm excited to look more into that. Thank you for the insight on that.
ELIAS: You're very welcome. (Chuckles)
AJ: Yeah. And thank you for another good conversation, as usual.
ELIAS: You are very welcome with that also. (Chuckles) And I would say to you very genuinely, don't fret. Relax, do something fun, stop thinking, and do something with your hands.
AJ: Okay. I will. That's a good idea.
ELIAS: And in that, you will likely be much more successful.
AJ: Totally. Yeah. I'm down with that.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Excellent!
AJ: Well, I think we probably better wrap up here too because I know Mary did mention that she's at the end of a long day for her.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting, my friend, and your report of your success.
AJ: Absolutely.
ELIAS: In tremendous, tremendous love and support to you and dear friendship, as always. I shall be with you every moment in encouraging you in your new direction.
AJ: Awesome. Thank you.
ELIAS: Until our next meeting, au revoir.
AJ: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 10 minutes)
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