Ankarrah
Topics:
“Ankarrah”
Saturday, September 3, 2022 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Scotty (Ashtaria)
ELIAS: Good morning.
SCOTTY: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: And how shall we begin today?
SCOTTY: That's a really great question. (Both laugh) So, I'd like to - you know, it's so interesting, the more and more you and I discuss Ankarrah, there's just more and more questions accumulating in the long pile of questions. But I'd like to just continue moving on with the next set of symbols, because I want to move into fleshing out the manual and the course for that. So, I've got a couple of questions about that, if that's okay with you?
ELIAS: Very well.
SCOTTY: Just before that, so you know I changed my diet quite considerably, like eight or nine weeks ago, all these raw foods. I don't know if I told you last time, but about three or four weeks ago, I started having pretty consistent abdominal pain and diarrhea and bloating and gas and burping, and all of that. And two days ago, Lyla sent me some Qigong, and then in the morning some Ankarrah. And Gail, or sorry – ah, William and Candice and Yarr also sent me some Ankarrah the next morning. And it was like, the abdominal pain, the diarrhea, all the symptoms literally just switched off. There's no other factor, I didn't change anything, I didn't eat anything different or, and it was just this factor of really accepting their help and the, and the, the healing actions of the Ankarrah energy that I would be able to explain that it was better. Would you have anything to say or a comment on that?
ELIAS: I would say, and why would that be surprising to you?
SCOTTY: Well, because I don't really get it from anyone else generally. It's always me sending it out to other people. So, I haven't really experienced a lot of receiving it in that way. And I mean, I absolutely trust it and I know that's a big factor in our belief in something - a healing modality. But also, that it was just very simple. And you know, I keep thinking - so I lay down to receive this Ankarrah from all of those people. And, you know, I was expecting to really feel some very noticeable sensations in my body, like, you know, some of the breaking apart releasing actions that can be an indicator that Ankarrah is being accepted and effective. And I didn't really feel that. I just felt relaxed and supported on the ground. And first I lay with my head north, and then I turned around to lay with my feet north because of that pulling action out from the lower half of the body. But then immediately, I was like, “Oh, God, my constant abdominal pains”, and I just noticed the symptoms had stopped. And so, I mean, kudos to all of those guys for the symbol combinations they put together.
ELIAS: What I would also say to you is an acknowledgment that you allowed it.
SCOTTY: Yeah.
ELIAS: And that you allowed yourself to receive it. Which, as you said, you're accustomed to doing it not receiving it.
SCOTTY: Yeah. It did prompt me to ensure that when I'm working with someone, that I give them that little point, that this is up to you in being able to receive this, accept it, and receive it and use it because it's your body - you're doing the healing. And I've talked a little bit about that in the participation action in the manual in the course. But I think with the clients that I'm going to be starting working with, it's a good thing to kind of mention that (not to go too deep into it, like, you know, “if this doesn't work, it's all your fault” kind of thing), but, just as a suggestion at the beginning. Do you think that's a good idea, or to not really give them that kind of responsibility mode at the beginning?
ELIAS: No, I would agree with you. I would say that it is good to move in that direction, because it encourages the individual knowing that they are not only an active participant, but that they are the ones that are expressing that healing. Therefore, that encourages them to be engaged.
SCOTTY: Yeah. Yeah, you and I've talked about that quite a bit. And, and being in that receptive mode and how to get there. And I think I'm pretty clear on that. With, so I did find out yesterday that I have a parasite infection. And even though the symptoms are far less from the Ankarrah, I'm still going to take the antibiotics because I kind of like the idea of both being supported by traditional medicine and this energy medicine system as well. But my question, Elias is, so if there were no kind of clinical signs or symptoms after the Ankarrah, would I even really need an antibiotic? Actually, that's a question Lyla came up with.
ELIAS: I would say that I agree with you, that it is actually a good direction to engage, because you're moving in an expression of precisely what you said, involving yourself with both. And knowing that you are supported by both. Therefore, that actually allows you to move in a direction in which you are expressing that allowance and that cooperation with every direction. I would be very much encouraging of you, my friend.
SCOTTY: Thanks. Yeah. Because it's in a way, it's just another little checkmark on the board of me trying to be more open to all other things.
ELIAS: Correct. Correct. And in that, it's important that you are expressing in certain directions. Let us say that you engage a client, and you are-- or, think about the people that you are engaging in hospital with your Reiki, and those that you have engaged your Ankarrah with. Now, these are people that are engaged with the medical profession, they are engaged with physicians. And in that, think about this as a participation with that, that you're allowing yourself to participate with these individuals. And if you had a client that was, let us say, already engaged with a physician and was in a direction of medical assistance, would you tell them not to be?
SCOTTY: No, of course not.
ELIAS: No, you would include your healing in addition to that. And therefore, it's also a matter of recognizing that in this, you're giving yourself your own experience, just as you said, it's different if you are the one that is receiving. Now you're giving yourself your own experience in relation to both. And in doing so, this gives you more information in how to be engaging with your clients, if they are also engaged with both.
SCOTTY: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And I even thought about that the other day, I thought, I'm creating this as an example for myself. Especially because I am starting pre-med in a couple of weeks. And that's definitely a more traditional medical route. And I was wondering, like, how can I just incorporate both? Yeah, I totally agree with you.
ELIAS: But then, and you are for a reason, because not everyone is going to move in the direction of only one modality. I would say to you that many, many, many people would be in the direction of more than one modality. That they would be in the direction of engaging with a physician. And then they would be perhaps accepting your help in relation to the Ankarrah. And it's important for you to be aware of both directions. And you yourself, are moving in the direction of wanting to incorporate that experience of a physician.
SCOTTY: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know exactly yet. Because I, personally, I lean, you know, I was like, “Oh, I have an intestinal thing. Well, let me take lemon balm, let me look at more natural elements”, obviously, because that's my preference. And, and I haven't taken antibiotics for maybe a decade or more. So, I kind of thought I was, I mean, I used to be like anti antibiotics. But now in this instance, I'm like, “You know what? It's kind of tackling these things from both ends. And it's all helpful, and it's certainly - you can't necessarily just do an energy alteration and think you're going to cure a disease.” I mean, it's a very kind of complicated thing that I don't know where the answer is, but I know that incorporating as much openness as possible, feels like a right direction at the moment.
ELIAS: I very much understand, and I very much agree. Because in that then you are moving in a direction in which you are also cooperating with yourself, because in that then you don't have to dissect what you align with, with your beliefs?
SCOTTY: Yeah, exactly.
ELIAS: Sometimes people are expressing that they don't agree with western medicine, or they don't agree with physicians, and they don't like that. And therefore, they move in a direction of expressing that they can be healing themselves without any of that participation. And not to say that they can't do that. They can. But for many people, all the while that they may be expressing that, they may actually align with some very strong associations and beliefs in relation to western medicine and physicians. Especially people that have been born into that culture.
SCOTTY: Right.
ELIAS: Which, all of you have been. There are some individuals that have been born into eastern cultures, and that have enough of that influence in their lives that they may be inclined to move in different directions. But let me also express to you very genuinely, that even individuals that have been born into eastern cultures, that doesn't mean that they don't have equally as strong beliefs in their own medical practices, let us say. They may be viewed as alternative medical practices to people in western cultures, but they're no less strong, and in that, I would say that they don't necessarily believe that they can heal themselves anymore more than most individuals in western cultures. They go to healers. They participate in healing actions. They don't sit at home and meditate and expect that they will heal themselves.
SCOTTY: Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore, I would say, that is actually excellent what you're doing, and the direction that you're moving in, because you're expressing that allowance of yourself to be engaging with both. To know that you're not expressing such wishful thinking or arrogance, that you automatically can move in a direction without having any affectingness in relation to beliefs concerning other modalities of healing. And there's nothing wrong with that. People have these ideas, that if they aren't moving in a direction of healing themselves alone that they're failing. Why is it so wrong to want to be participating with help? You do it with accepting the energy from other people. And I would say that it's a matter of that piece of receiving. And cooperation and moving in a direction of knowing that you can be expressing in relation to other people. That you can accept their help, whether they are a physician, whether they are a nurse, or a nurse practitioner, or an alternative healer - it doesn't matter what they are, they're all being helpful. They're all moving in the direction of the same goal of your health and well-being.
SCOTTY: Yeah, and everyone is helpful with what they know, with their expertise. A physician will be helpful in more of a traditional medical route. A herbalist will offer their piece, an energy healer will give their piece. And I don't think I've ever moved in the direction of “Oh, you must only do Ankarrah.” It's in fact the opposite. I would say “go to the doctor first.” Or, or just as an example, Candace has been dealing with a back issue. She's had X-rays and a lot of pain and seeing the chiropractor, and I was sending some Ankarrah for her. We were having a conversation the other day, and I said, “but what else are you doing?” Like are you, a chiropractor isn't moving your spine in, like an exercise type of way. So, I gave her a cat and cow exercise, just to try, just to see if that type of movement with her spine would help. Because you know--
ELIAS: That’s excellent. This is excellent.
SCOTTY: It's easy to get stuck in the idea of, it's easy to get, not pigeon-holed, but stuck in the idea of like, “oh, I can only offer energy healing.” Where it's like, well, you know what I mean, as an intuitive practice, I can also see that your spine needs mobilizing. And that could be helpful too.
ELIAS: And I would say that, that type of offering in relation to a yoga movement is excellent.
SCOTTY: Can I ask you an impression, Elias, for Candace? I didn't mention this to her. But I was, when I was talking with her the other day, I was kind of like seeing into her spine, if that makes sense. And I was seeing the viscosity of her spinal fluid. And I had the impression that the smoking of cigarettes greatly affects the spinal fluid’s ability to lubricate and maintain all of the necessary neurological transactions, but also the nutritional uptake in the spine. Is that greatly affecting of Candace’s spinal degeneration?
ELIAS: Yes.
SCOTTY: I knew it. Okay. What would you say to her as a gentle, loving “You might want to consider cutting back, sweetie” type of advice?
ELIAS: Actually, I would say it's not a matter of cutting back. It's a matter of stopping.
SCOTTY: Okay.
ELIAS: Because in that, people do not realize how affecting it is. And in that, regardless of whether an individual will express the retort, “but I can be smoking and have it not be affecting of me at all” - that is possible. I would agree. I would say it's highly unlikely because this is what you believe. Regardless of what you think, that doesn't necessarily mean that you actually absolutely believed that smoking is not harmful. I would say that anyone that is privy to any information at all, any information at all, about the harmfulness of smoking has moved in a direction of accepting that. And I would say, therefore, unless you dwell in the outback of Australia somewhere, or if you wander about in the jungles of South America, or the mountains of North America, in which you are cut off from civilization - for the most part, most individuals have some degree of information about smoking. And in that, because they have information about smoking, they are going to create physical manifestations in relation to it, because of all of the chemicals that they are putting into their body. And eventually, that is going to create a situation in which they are generating difficulties and physical manifestations that are going to be debilitating and considerably affecting.
SCOTTY: Elias with Candace in particular, and I don't know the medical correlation between smoking and the spine, but what I was kind of seeing is the spine is this central unit like this tree trunk of support for the entire body and the neurological system, and that the smoking or the chemicals in that were also inhibiting her body's intake of water. Meaning she could drink 10 gallons of water and her body just doesn't assimilate it in the same way either because of the smoking itself or the chemicals, and that is also more directly affecting of her spine and the ability to pull in, I don't know, water or hydration or whatever the spine needs to be maintaining that state of lubrication and fluidity and, I don’t know, flexibility, but also just the viscosity of the spinal fluid itself.
ELAIS: I agree.
SCOTTY: Okay. Well, I will share this with dear Candace and maybe that can just illuminate another aspect to look at for her. Thank you for all of that information, Elias.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. And, I would say that also in that, I would be tremendously encouraging because stopping this habit of smoking doesn't have to be as terrifying as people think. And it doesn't have to be as difficult as people think it is either. You build it up in your head, that it is this tremendously awful experience. And therefore, then you might make it so. But I would say that it doesn't have to be. And in that, you can actually condition yourself before you stop smoking, to be moving in a direction in which it isn't so invasive, and it isn't so tremendously affecting, in which you might actually stop smoking and not notice much in relation to physical reactions at all. Actually, what you might notice more is the associations. That you might notice more than any physical action or reaction to stopping. In that I would say that if you move in a direction of only smoking in one area, when you stop, your association may be strong enough that you might move to that area automatically and not realize why you're doing it.
SCOTTY: Yeah. Well, I will leave that to Candace to follow up with you if she would like to get more suggestions on how to do that. I know there's a lot of information out there on that and different things that can be helpful. Elias, just to move on, before that, just the parasite that I'm taking antibiotics for, was that the energy healing, the Ankarrah - did that deactivate the parasite? This is a question from Lyla.
ELIAS: Did it deactivate it?
SCOTTY: Yeah. What was the actual process?
ELIAS: Does that mean did it kill it?
SCOTTY: I guess.
ELIAS: I would say, not entirely. It has definitely weakened it.
SCOTTY: Ah okay, so it has weakened it.
ELIAS: To the point in which you feel a definite difference. And that you feel better. I would say that moving in the direction of following the physicians will likely kill it.
SCOTTY: Okay. Great Elias--
ELIAS: I would say that you continuing to move in the direction that you are, and if you are continuing with the Ankarrah that it also would be instrumental in eventually killing it.
SCOTTY: Yeah. Yeah, that was my impression too, that you know, the Ankarrah isn't a one, one shot - I don't even know what the expression is. I was going say an expression in German there, but I don't know what the English translation is. It's, we've talked about that, that it, it works in increments. It's very unlikely it's going to completely change your manifestation in one treatment for instance. That's why with the remote sessions, I'm offering three at maybe intervals of two days. So, with this, with this parasitic infection, I thought maybe today was another good day to do, or to ask my friends, if they might send some Ankarrah. Would you agree with that?
ELIAS: I would definitely agree.
SCOTTY: Okay. Elias, just to switch gears a moment. Now, so, in my quest for being more open, Elias, some of my friends are part of the group that receives magical instruction from you. And it's interesting because I, since I heard about this, maybe two years ago - and I know Turrell was getting all of her instruction and all of that stuff, and I'm aware of who was part of that group - my automatic association is “I'm excluded”, you know, because that was my entire childhood and teenage years of being excluded from everything, because I was different. So, I kind of felt like that at that point. But I also understood that, you know, these people are paying for sessions with you and receiving this instruction. And I could totally understand that they were keeping all of that information to themselves, just in the way that I did with all of the sessions on Ankarrah. I've also since then shared the Ankarrah information with a whole bunch of people in this pursuit of being more open. And I guess, I guess if I'm really curious about learning some aspects about magic, it's really up to me to ask, right? I think they - I think they think that I'm not interested, and I'm discounting it. But it really comes from a place of like, “well, no one’s sharing it. No one is offering that.” So, I kind of feel excluded.
ELIAS: Ah!
SCOTTY: From my own perception. From my own perception. I know, that's not their perception. But that's my automatic--
ELIAS: Precisely. And also, I would say, this is an excellent point, because many people move in this direction also. You're not the only individual that feels that or that has that perception. And this is important, because it's about expecting other people to be expressing in a particular manner. You are expecting the other individuals, “If they like you, if they're friends with you, they should be expressing in a particular manner, they should be including you in everything.” But if you're not expressing an interest, if you're not asking to be included, then--
SCOTTY: How can they know? Of course!
ELIAS: Precisely. Precisely.
SCOTTY: Yeah. Yeah, look, I mean, admittedly, there is a part of me that also, just to borrow a phrase from Samta, just doesn't have the bandwidth at the moment. I'm like, I was thinking about it. And, you know, if I'm learning something, I don't want to just skim the surface. And even looking at one of the Grimoire books that Sandra recommended, I’m like, “this would take a lifetime of just focusing on this to have an idea about it.” And part of me was like, “Do I even want to open that can of worms because like, it's just so much.” You know, I'm already trying to put Ankarrah out there and I'm still working on my energy exchange, and all the other life things. I'm like, “I don't know if I have the time.” But I'm, I am curious. I'm certainly not discounting it or dismissing it. I just, I honestly don't know a thing about it to even ask like what the first question would be, other than what I've heard in other people's sessions asking you if they would be more naturally inclined to, is it Earth magic or a different kind? And so, I'm asking you, for me, what is the kind where you don't have to gather all these elements and do a spell, you're literally just using your energy in a very simple format - is that the Earth magic?
ELIAS: It can be. I would say that Earth magic can be very simple, or it can be more complicated. I would say, very much in similarity to alchemy, it can be very simple, or it can be more complicated. And in that, I would also express that using talismans can be very simple. Actually, using talismans can be the most simple, because that doesn't require a spell. It doesn't require a ritual. I would say that it can, but it doesn't require any of that. Individuals that use talismans for magic, they are simply expressing what they want accomplished. And they use a particular talisman to aid them in doing so. Therefore, the talisman is, in a manner of speaking, a focal point for their energy and for their focus. But I would say that they also do imbue the object with a magical energy. And therefore, it can wield that accordingly. But I would say that is the simplest and one that takes the least amount of magical ritual.
SCOTTY: So, let me admit something else to you - it's the word, it's the word “magic.” So, like, I feel like I've been working for the last 30 years on reducing focal points and using my own energy and being familiar with that and manipulating that and identifying other energies in connecting. And I guess one experience that I remember, as you and I have discussed before, is when I disassociated when I was a teenager, and I entered that state where I wasn't really separating my dream imagery from my objective reality. And what happened was, I went outside and there was all of this stormy weather. And I didn't really do anything, other than I just commanded the weather to calm down, and it sort of stopped and the trees stopped rattling. And it seemed a very natural, interconnected action in me just intentionally altering my reality and my perception. And I guess you could call that magic, but I don't see why it has to be called “magic”, when it's something - I understand the term. I understand how you've defined that and all of the history of all of that, but it seems a little counterintuitive to me to be, “oh, you know what, well, you haven't really trusted yourself. So, let's look at doing something else that you might learn to trust your abilities with”. And so, I'm kind of that's a bit of where I've been battling with, “do I even want to ask about it?”, because it seems to be discounting. And it seems like it discounts all of the work I’ve put in to just rely on myself and my energy without having to invoke all of these other focal points and actions.
ELIAS: I understand. And I would express somewhat of an amusement for you to even ask the question. You asked which form of magic would be natural to you? And after explaining them, I would say none.
SCOTTY: Okay.
ELIAS: For the very reason that you expressed this explanation.
SCOTTY: So, meaning that what I'm doing already, and how I'm… is a natural and effective way without incorporating these other actions.
ELIAS: Yes. Without using other methods. You have your own methods, that even though you're expressing that they're not a method, they are method. But in that, it's effective for you. And it's successful. And, therefore, there's no reason to move in a different direction, unless you wanted to explore that. And you wanted to experience different options of, or different alternatives of magic. But otherwise, I would say it's not necessary.
SCOTTY: It’s not necessary. But Elias, I want to be open and interested in what my friends are doing. And it's more about--
ELIAS: And therefore, what I would say to you is, then ask them questions, and be supportive. That doesn't mean you have to do it.
SCOTTY: Okay. But so, I can have a base of which to ask--
ELIAS: You can have that base by simply engaging them. And asking them questions about what they're doing. And being interested in what they're doing. That doesn't mean you have to do it also. You’re doing your own form. Therefore, that's enough.
SCOTTY: Yeah. I mean, you and I have discussed this a little bit, but Ankarrah--
ELIAS: If you want to, what I would say to you, my friend is, if you want to do more, if you want to engage in experimenting with different magical practices, some of these individuals are ready to take on apprentices. Or they're almost ready. And in that you can move in that direction by all means. That will give you the experience of engaging different types of magic and different methods. And you can try them and experiment with them if you are so choosing, then return to your own.
SCOTTY: So, if you hadn't heard my caveat of explanation, which [Elias laughs] which magical ability would you say is my most naturally inclined?
ELIAS: I would say this is quite amusing that you're still pursuing this line of questioning, but I will indulge you. And I would say that for you the most natural expression would likely be a single talisman.
SCOTTY: A single talisman, great.
ELIAS: Or a totem.
SCOTTY: A totem.
ELIAS: Or a [inaudible]. I would say, that would be the most likely direction for you in relation to what you naturally do and how you naturally express and what direction you would likely engage. I would say that Earth magic actually might be too involved and to a degree too ritualistic for you. I would say that alchemy might be too ritualistic also, definitely spell casting. And something such as the sigils would be much too ritualistic. Although, then a counterpoint in relation to that, is that the sigils and casting might actually be a natural direction for you also. Because basically, you're doing that with the Ankarrah system.
SCOTTY: Exactly, exactly. We're using the image, the sound, and the intention - those three elements to activate the symbol energy anyway, which is essentially magic.
ELIAS: Correct. Which is why I would say that other than one, talisman or totem, I would say that you are moving in the direction of the Ankarrah, which is basically the same as casting.
SCOTTY: Yeah. You've said it's a subset of magic in a way.
ELIAS: Yes.
SCOTTY: Yeah. So, Elias, these flashes of imagery that I see - obviously, that's me connecting to other focuses that have been very proficient at using magic, but met an untimely end, being ostracized, and killed for that. That's obviously part of what I'm connecting to a little bit in my aversion currently, right?
ELAIS: Yes. Yes.
SCOTTY: Yeah. Why is that so strong in me? Why am I so aware of that, where I'm a little frightened of it?
ELIAS: I would say to you, my friend, that's no more strong than any other focus that you might connect to. It simply seems strong to presently because that's the direction of your attention. That this happens to be what you do naturally, that whatever you are paying attention to, you're very likely to connect with other focuses that are involved in that type of subject. Therefore, for you, I would say, for you personally, in this focus unfortunately, connecting with other focuses in relation to magic, most of them have met their untimely end.
SCOTTY: Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, in a lot of agony and pain. And it's, it's, as you know, for me, it's sometimes challenging to differentiate between what is mine and what is another focus.
ELIAS: I understand. And in that, it's a matter of reminding yourself that this is something that's very natural for you, to be connecting with other focuses in relation to any subject that you are interested in presently. And what I would say is that the other focuses that you have don't only move in one direction. Therefore, if you are connecting with other focuses that have been disengaging in relation to their magic practices, also allow yourself to connect with focuses that you have that were supportive of them.
SCOTTY: Yeah.
ELIAS: That didn’t die. Therefore, it allows you to balance.
SCOTTY: There’s one very strong other dimensional focus that's uses magic in a similar way that magic has been used here. That's the one that seems to be most frightening, almost dark.
ELIAS: Now, I would also express to you, this is important, that you understand that anything in relation to magic is only dark or bad in relation to how the individual wielding it perceives it to be. Because none of it actually is. But that doesn't mean that as humans, that you can't move in a direction of intending to be harmful to something or someone else. Because you can. And that doesn't mean that even other dimensional beings can't do that because they can, and they do. That also doesn't mean that intrinsically in itself that the magic is bad or dark. It simply means that the individual that's wielding it has that perception of using it intentionally to be harmful. But you can do that with or without magic.
SCOTTY: Exactly.
ELIAS: You definitely don't need magic to be harmful to each other.
SCOTTY: Yeah, as we have daily proof. Elias, this actually leads quite well into our next session because I wanted to talk about the next symbols with you.
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SCOTTY: Okay. Awesome. Elias, this has been such a great session, and thank you so, so much for your wisdom and help and your love.
ELIAS: You are exceptionally welcome, my friend. And I express tremendous, tremendous, love to you and affection and encouragement, and supportiveness and dear friendship. Until our next meeting, au revoir.
SCOTTY: Au revoir, Elias.
(Elias departs after 1 hour)
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