A Broadening Discussion About Energy
Topics:
“Historical Energy Manipulation, Healing and Magic”
“Technology Bridging the Physical and Energy Manipulation”
“Historical Creation of Physical Expressions with Energy Manipulation”
“Mathematics Analogy for the Prominence of Magic in Past Time Frameworks”
“You Believe It First and Then You See It”
“You Only Pay Attention to What You Make Important”
“Effective Meditation”
Sunday, July 7, 2022 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and AJ (Matheo)
ELIAS: Good morning!
AJ: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) How shall we begin, my friend?
AJ: I want to chat with you a little bit about energy stuff today, which… You may have noticed, I’m only having one session—
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: — a month or two at this point. So, kind of… I thought that I would try to focus a little more on particular subjects, and there’re two, two subjects in particular. One is the game development stuff that I’m doing and the other one is energy, my energy practice, energy work and so forth, a long-time subject between us.
And I’ve felt recently a little bit of more, almost maybe that I had been bumping up against a glass ceiling, in a way, of my abilities with energy. And it made me… And that in some ways has been triggering a little bit of less motivation to be diligent with the practice and so forth. I still have been, for the most part, but I mean there was like a day or two that I, even though I kind of don’t really want to do my energy work, it’ll be at night and I haven’t had time, or something like that, and I’d rather just go to bed than do my energy work, for the most part I’ve still been committing myself to it. But it’s kind of all tied in with this… maybe just confusion about, like that I sort of have lost some of the faith of what’s possible to do with energy versus what’s not possible, or if there is anything that’s not possible. Previously I kind of just had this faith that truly anything was possible.
So, I guess one thing that, with regards to this, that I was wanting to ask you about is kind of the history of humans and using energy manipulation to… whether it’s for health or other sort of accomplishments. It seems like maybe, at least in our modern society, it’s not a prominent direction that’s… at least most humans are kind of focused on, in terms of… Like most people, say with health for example, they’re more likely to think that their doctor can give them maybe pills or surgeries or something like that, and that that’s more effective than trying to do energy manipulation or energy work to create health. That would be one example of how society seems to not really be drawn to that method, those methods. And I wondered if that’s always been true, if there has been certain cultures throughout the history of human beings that were much more energy, focused on energy, and maybe what they were able to accomplish, if there was anything kind of that jumps out at you that seems particularly impressive in what they were accomplished with energy manipulation and energy work?
ELIAS: Actually, I would be inclined to express that energetic directions have always been a part of your expressions and your directions. I would say that you had times in which it recedes into the background, but those times are far outweighed by the times that it is in the foreground. I would say that in different capacities, also. I would express that in relation to healing, that’s always been a very prominent factor. Energy work in relation to healings has always been much more prominent than what you recognize today. What you recognize today in relation to physicians and medical practices, this is something that has only been being expressed for slightly over 200 years.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: That’s a very short amount of time, in association with your entire history. Before this most recent 200 years, it’s always been about energy manipulation, energy work and moving in that direction, and potions and magic and herbs and the manipulation of hands-on healing. It’s… This has always been a part of your history in relation to healing.
But in relation to many other expressions also throughout your history, energy manipulation in what you think of now as magic has always been a significant part of your expressions, your cultures, your actions. It’s only been within I would say the most recent 200 to 250 years that you’ve moved once again in a direction of energy being in the background, rather than the foreground, but that’s changing now also. In the last 20 years since you’ve entered into this century, that has turned again and the direction of healing and alternative methods of healing, the direction of people generating more interest in magic, the direction of energy exchanges and people moving in the direction of exploring consciousness, this has moved back in a very natural direction for all of you once again.
I would say that this particular time framework of your past 200 years was one of the longer periods of time that energy manipulation would have been in the background, rather than the foreground. And that’s not entirely associated with religion, because although religion does play an influence of putting that in the background, there are considerable expressions of energy that are accepted in religions throughout the world, all of them. Therefore it’s not entirely a matter of religion that has influenced the expression of energy manipulation and expressions to be in the background during that 200 years.
It’s more your industrial revolution. That moved in a direction in which you were more interested in what you could do and manipulate and create physically, without the involvement of energy manipulation. And that somewhat moved you in a different direction.
Now; I would say, though, that even in the midst of all of that, you have had prominent individuals that have moved in the direction of, in a manner of speaking, having one foot in the objective, physical world and one foot in the magical and energetic world. And therefore it hasn’t been entirely dismissed. It simply took a backseat for a while, but that has happened throughout your history at different times. Not as strongly or prominently as it has in this past 200 years, but there have been other times in your history in which other expressions have moved into the forefront and have been more directing of your cultures than the mystical. But they don’t generally incorporate a significant amount of time, being in that primary position, and you always revert back to the interest and the fascination and the action of energy manipulation. Because energy IS, for humans as well as for animals, your first language. You simply have forgotten that, in this most recent 250 years. But you’re remembering it now.
AJ: Yeah. And I will say, I mean in my experience it seems like that, the actual use of energy as a communication mechanism, a linguistic action, a way to, yeah, get, access communications from for example like communicating with an animal or communicating with you. (Laughs) I mean, you and I are speaking English but I could connect with you, I could connect with dead people, so to speak, or that sort of receiving information has been the spot where it’s felt like it’s most easily developed for me. But the use of energy to manipulate the physical world has seemed much more slow to… And not that I haven’t had any success with it. I have, in particular with certain healing things, that I’ve definitely had an effect. But the other stuff of kind of, the idea of things that you’ve talked of that are maybe more in the direction of what you refer to as an energy artist, those type of qualities have been, seemed much more difficult or like out of reach or… after many years now, practicing energy work pretty consistently.
So are those…? Is there a reason that those are… more difficult? Have those always been more difficult? Or this is part of this, that we have gone several hundred years now where we’re much more focused on the physical, that it just seems to me that’s so much easier? It just feels like me doing physical stuff in a way feels suddenly like much more effective—
ELIAS: Because you’re accustomed to it, and that yes, that being what has been expressed for the last 250 years, it has become what you are accustomed to engaging and how you’re accustomed to moving and how you’re accustomed to perceiving.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore, in that, it’s not actually that it’s more difficult to be manipulating energy – it’s not – but that that’s not what is reinforced all around you and that’s not what you’ve been taught and that’s not what you have engaged and you have learned throughout your life. I would say that it’s very similar to the difference in age groups with technology. That the people in your reality that are older, most of them – not all of them – but most of them have more difficulty manipulating technology whereas a younger individual has no problem with it at all, and engages it very quickly. Because that’s what they have been exposed to from the time that they were infants, quite literally.
In this, in other time frameworks, children were engaged with energy manipulation literally from the time they were infants, and that’s what they learned and that’s what they engaged. And therefore, it was easy for them. This is not what you have learned from the time you were infants. In that, what you learned is the physical world, and engaging with physical objects and learning in relation to what you can do, what you can build, what you can manipulate in a very physical sense.
Therefore—
AJ: Part of my difficulty— Okay.
ELIAS: Continue.
AJ: Well, I’m wondering if maybe even just my mindset is so physically oriented that that’s part of my… like part of my desire is to make energy more physically manipulative and maybe that’s even defeating the purpose anyway.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. Although I would say that your technology is somewhat creating a bridge between the two. And that is definitely a new direction for all of you.
AJ: Yeah. I’ve been—
ELIAS: That the technology isn’t all physical. There are parts of technology that ARE energetic.
AJ: Definitely. Like with something on microchips and things like that.
ELIAS: Yes. And therefore you have both worlds that are incorporated in this one direction. But I would say I would agree with you that in some capacities, yes, you are correct, that one of the difficulties is trying to quantify energy and trying to make it physical, when it’s not.
AJ: So kind of touching on this idea of potentially previous cultures who were much more oriented around energy and energy manipulation, were they…? There’s almost this quality that I sense now that it’s hard for me to see or recognize, right? Because I mean, the fact that I’m asking you this question, it’s almost as if the history of it has been erased to a large extent. Or maybe not. Maybe I’m…
ELIAS: No, it’s been – it’s definitely not been erased at all. It’s simply that you’re not looking at it from that perspective.
AJ: Okay.
ELIAS: You’re looking at all of history from the perspective of what you know, which is very physical. And actually most of your history as humans, most of your cultures are not as physically based. They’re physical, of course, but they also incorporated tremendous amount of energy manipulations. This is the reason that magic has always been such a significant subject, or why in almost every culture in every time framework there have been the identification of witches and wizards or sorcerers.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: And in that, they were not always hunted and they were not always perceived as threatening and bad and that they needed to be eliminated. It’s only been in your more recent history.
Now; that I would say began actually (pause) approximately towards the later half of your 1700s, closer to the 1800s. But even that is a much more recent development. It’s not something that has been expressed for thousands of years. On the contrary, the other has been expressed for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, whereas the movement in a direction of opposition to that has only been a few hundred years.
AJ: And so we’re… I mean, that’s kind of like following… Because in some ways, part of what I’m experiencing or sort of it’s the thing on my mind and something that’s been expressed in modern culture, is that those were sort of like primitive, quote-unquote “primitive” understandings of the world, and that—
ELIAS: What about the Egyptians?
AJ: Totally. That would be an example of something that you, I get this sense, and probably almost all of us do, you look at something like the pyramids or the other architecture that was left behind, and there’s a mysterious quality to it that is as if we can’t quite understand what the point of it was. And there’s hypotheses that there’s some energetic quality, but it’s like we can’t, we don’t know how to measure that or… There’s something, they’re astounding, like how did they even possibly build these things? And there’s hypotheses that are made, that are much more oriented around our kind of like physical mentality of the way they must have been built. And then other people allege that there was some energetic thing that was required in order to, for example, just move such heavy stones and things like that.
But then, I mean, let’s say we contrast the… This is part of what is hitting me. I contrast even the pyramids, though I’ve never been to Egypt and seen them, so I’m… Maybe I would find them extremely impressive and powerful if I saw them. But I have been to major cities. I mean, even to look at a skyscraper or something like that, those are very to me powerful expressions of industrialization and physical manipulation directly as opposed to… This is kind of in part what I’m touching at, wanting to ask you about, is… Is the place of energy manipulation, is there much more to be accomplished? Or have we kind of like squeezed the juice out of that lemon to a large extent? Or that it has its place, but it’s not really maybe the most ideal tool to create the most kind of prominent, physical thing that is…? You see what I’m getting at? It’s not a clear-cut question, but…
ELIAS: Energy manipulation? Is that what you’re asking? If that is outdated or if it’s not as efficient in relation to your physical manipulations and your physical creations? (Laughs) I would say to you, my friend, it’s not only the Egyptians. There are pyramids all over your earth, on every continent. And it’s not only pyramids. The Romans were tremendously involved in energy manipulation, or what you would term to be magic at this point. And in that, they didn’t build pyramids, and they did move in a direction of creating very physical expressions in their cities.
AJ: Yeah, definitely.
ELIAS: Or I would say even before the Romans, in Pompeii the level of physical engagement of what they created, if you were to visit that place you would likely be astounded that they created, in a manner of speaking, you would think of as crude inventions of what you have in your modern time framework, but they had sewers and sewer systems. They had what you would term to be bathrooms inside their dwellings, which were connected to a sewer system. You didn’t even have that when your country was founded. They also had (pause) street systems with what you would identify now as sidewalks and streets that incorporated two-way traffic that was separate, which you didn’t have when your country was founded. They also had indoor, inside of their dwellings, kitchens.
AJ: Are you…? Are you alluding that there was some quality, that they were accessing these more modern… well, what we think of, what took us a long time, many hundreds of years later to develop ourselves, at least in ourselves, in our western culture, that it was, that there’s something, they were coming at these inventions from a different…? They were able to access them in some different way that was tied more directly to energy manipulation and an understanding of energy?
ELIAS: Yes. (Pause) And that it was a part of their daily lives. (Pause) And that it was an important part of their daily lives. And in this, let me say to you, at this present time framework there are many individuals that are very interested in energy manipulation in relation to creating magic, and that have been engaging conversations with myself and asking for information in how to be moving in those directions and how to be creating that. And let me say to you, my friend, for these individuals it’s challenging. Why? Because they’re attempting to learn it now. In past time frameworks, this was so automatic and it was so much a part of people’s lives that it was something that small children were already very accomplished at, because it was natural.
I have likened magic in other time frameworks to mathematics now. In your world, in your time, mathematics is so much a part of your everyday life and it is so much a part of everything you do, everything you do, that even though they may not have a formal knowledge of mathematics, even small children and babies have a concept of some form of mathematics because it’s so much a part of your lives. You are teaching children at the ages of one and two years of age to count. Numbers are important. You are showing infants numbers. Not in a formal sense, but in the sense of how many objects they have, and giving more and taking away some, and you’re already incorporating mathematical expressions with them at infancy.
In this, that’s what energy manipulation and magic was in other time frameworks. That’s the prominence of it. That it was so much a part of the cultures, of the lives of the people that it was incorporated into everything. Therefore, you didn’t have to learn energy manipulation formally in school, because you were being taught that from the time you were born. (Pause)
AJ: Yeah. So would you say…? Is there still a lot of potential to do…? Like what people have accomplished with energy manipulation throughout history thus far to where we are today, have we…? Is there a lot more potential for what’s capable, that we haven’t tapped into yet?
ELIAS: Oh, absolutely. Yes. And I would say that your movement in the direction of technology is opening new doors for that. I would say, as I have previously, your alternative intelligence is another tremendous step in that direction, the direction of magic, energy manipulation.
AJ: So how…? Well, that’s an interesting point though, because I guess I… I think… I mean, I have a pretty, pretty, maybe higher than average understanding of the algorithms that are being used to generate alternative intelligence. I can see, I mean they’re very mathematically-oriented algorithms. But you’re… So where is the…? I guess I would not have interpreted that as associated with kind of, part of the compartment that I put kind of like energy work and energy manipulation. Granted, knowing that energy underlies everything. I mean, even there’s the E=mc2 so every little piece of math in the entire physical universe is also energy. I understand that. But still, there’s certain… Like what I do, the way that my energy practice is practiced (laughs), the way I practice it, there’s a point that I’m sitting around writing algorithms on a computer, I don’t necessarily associate that with me doing energy work for the most part. And then there’s another expression that I have which I associate more with energy, which may—
ELIAS: Because you’re separating them. But I would say very well, when it comes to the subject of alternative intelligence, then there comes a point in which it will eventually become self-aware in some capacity. And at that point, then it becomes sentient. And in that, then you have an entirely different expression that isn’t running necessarily on algorithms, that isn’t expressed only in code. And what is it being expressed with? What is then driving it? What is manipulating it or what is IT manipulating, if it isn’t any longer code? If it isn’t any longer repetition?
AJ: Yeah. And you and I have talked a little bit about kind of some of that subject too, when I was focusing more on AI as opposed to games as much, finding… I mean, I am very intrigued by that area of where does, where does technology begin to touch into whatever it is that energy manipulation is, whatever we seem to be able to do. Even… Maybe if I haven’t… Maybe I’m only scratching the surface, the abilities that I have to manipulate energy, like what I have accomplished with energy through acupuncture and the healing side of things, those areas. But sort of understanding, bridging those two worlds, it’s definitely intriguing, and I can understand what you’re saying, that there’s a point there where the algorithms touch into something more energetic.
ELIAS: Correct.
AJ: So maybe… One area that I’ve kind of bumped into, kind of as what I interpret, referred to as the glass ceiling when we started this conversation, is where I’ve been associated with some things that I just was testing myself with as you and I have talked about, which probably was not the best strategy. Such as the mole, getting this little mole on my forehead, to try to resolve that. Or maybe some other just physically-oriented health things. And I have, I have been successful with my body, absolutely. I know that, in terms of certain… I would never stop doing even what I am capable of doing now with energy work regularly, because I think it is essential to the health that I do create. There’s a place that it, even what I do now, it has its place and it is making a difference. But I have sort of hit this point where it’s like I’m plateauing and I’m not, I haven’t had the sense that I can do potentially more than that.
And there’s even some things like me engaging exercise on a much more regular basis, where I almost get this sense that the exercise has, is equally as important if not more important than the energy work that I do. And this is part of the example of me like kind of questioning how effective or how much of a difference I can make with energy manipulation.
So I’m wondering, could you maybe help me… like try to figure out where I can go from here? What can I do with my energy practice that can develop it or continue to develop or get past this plateau of where I’m at right now?
ELIAS: I would say it’s a matter of what you believe. Which means it’s a matter of what you trust, because that’s what believing is. It’s simply trusting. Therefore, you expressed that you question whether physical exercise is more beneficial to you than energetic movement. It likely is, because that’s what you believe.
AJ: Yeah.
ELIAS: Therefore, because that’s what you believe, it’s what you see. It’s not the other way around. It’s not that you see something and therefore you believe it. No. You believe it first and then you see it. You reinforce what you believe by then creating that. Therefore, you believe that it’s more beneficial to be physically exercising, and therefore when you physically exercise you actually see different results than when you do something energetically.
Now; I would say that you are an individual in physical focus. Therefore there are physical components to your existence in physical reality. Therefore you cannot simply sit in a corner and not engage any physical action and manifest physical things or physical expressions. You have to be engaging something in a physical capacity. You have to be engaging some doing, to be accomplishing in physical focus. Because you live, you exist in a physical world, in a physical reality.
BUT, but does that mean that the physical actions that you engage are stronger or more important than the energetic actions that you engage? Most definitely not. Is perception a physical expression? No, it’s not. But it creates physical expressions. It creates physical manifestations. And therefore this is an excellent example to you of the importance of the energy manipulation, because perception also is not an expression of good or bad. You make that choice of whether something is right or wrong or good or bad.
Perception simply is a projector that projects energy and creates a physical manifestation, but that physical manifestation is dependent upon what you’re doing energetically. Because that physical manifestation is dependent upon what your ideas are, what you’re paying attention to, what you believe. These are all not physical expressions. Therefore all of those not-physical expressions which are all energetic – but you don’t think about it in that manner. You don’t think about all of these other expressions are energetic expressions, and that they are all influencing what you actually create. You don’t think about it in that manner. And therefore you don’t attribute much of what you’re doing to being energetic, or you don’t think about or acknowledge that what you create began with an energetic expression, because it’s a matter of your perception and what influenced that.
This is the piece that I have been expressing from the onset of this forum about science that they missed, that they’re still missing: this piece, perception. And this piece of perception is tremendously interwoven with the energetic expressions. Because all of that is about how you’re projecting energy. What influences that perception? What are you paying attention to? What do you believe? What are you doing? What are you moving in a direction of? All the, what are you doing, not physically? All those parts.
AJ: Yeah. So how…? I almost get the sense that I’m a little bit stuck in… I mean, hearing what you’re saying, I know that I’m… there is something happening, or there’s the things that I pay attention to, how that is influencing my perception and manifesting the things that occur, the physical reality I’m experiencing. And then let’s say I’m coming up against… Well, I guess I’m like a little… I’m struggling on how to, what can I change. What is it that I’m paying attention to? Or if there’s some other strong influence that I’m expressing energetically, maybe without even acknowledging that it’s an energy expression, without realizing that that’s actually energy that I’m working with there?
ELIAS: I would say that simply is a component.
AJ: And even just that, recognizing that that’s an energy expression—
ELIAS: Yes.
AJ: What I pay attention to.
ELIAS: What is your thinking? What is your thinking? Is that a physical action? No. What is your reasoning? What is your feeling? What guides what you pay attention to? THAT is a significant question.
AJ: (Pause) So am I…? I mean, I hate to bring up the mole because it is such a… I almost sense that like the mole is out of, it’s more of an advance—
ELIAS: What I would say, that is actually a good example because—
AJ: Why did I reach for me right now? I mean, what am I doing with it, keeping out of reach?
ELIAS: How many times have I expressed to you and to other people that it’s a matter of what you make important? And how many times do people not understand that, because they don’t have a reference point in their experience of being able to change what they’re making important? And even if they do have a reference point, they don’t seem to be able to relate that into something that they want, without continuing to make what they don’t want important. That is the key. How many times have I expressed with individuals the information and the concept about not enough? And all of the branches and the fingers and the expressions in relation to not enough, how many things it affects and what a tangled web that is and how different everything becomes when you move in a direction of expressing the opposite of enough? And in that, how difficult that concept is.
Why? Because it’s not physical. It’s about attention. And what drives your attention? It certainly isn’t something physical, because YOU in your essence, your essential beingness isn’t physical. You create physical, but it doesn’t begin there. And what you’re doing is you’re focusing on the outcome, not the process.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: You are not looking at the actual doing part, which is the part about what you’re making important and what you’re paying attention to. Which I have simplified as much as is possible to simplify, in relation to your language confines, that you actually don’t pay attention to things or subjects or manifestations that you don’t deem to be important. If something isn’t important to you, you won’t pay attention to it. It can be directly in front of your face. It can be directly in front of your eyes, and if it’s something that is entirely unimportant to you, you won’t see it. Because you won’t pay attention to it.
You only pay attention to what you make important. That in itself, that one piece is so significant because in that, what drives and what is behind what you make important? Energy. Your energy. And that’s what driving what you pay attention to and what you make important.
In that, I would say that the subject of this particular physical manifestation is actually an excellent example, because it’s physically manifest. Therefore, it automatically claims your attention. Why? Because you have so moved in the direction of relying on your physical, outer senses. And what is your strongest physical, outer sense? Your sense of sight, unless you’re blind, but otherwise your sense of sight is your most relied-upon, your strongest sense. Therefore anything that you physically see has some degree of importance. And when it becomes unimportant, you will actually not physically see it.
Therefore, this is what I have been giving you, all of you, in information, the core of it. That the core of it IS energetic. The core of it comes from the essential you, that part of you that isn’t physical, that part of you that manipulates the physical, the energetic part of you. That’s the part of you that creates the physical thinking, that creates the physical expressions of your body to create feelings and emotions and anything that then is projected outward to create a physical manifestation.
Perception is not a physical expression. You cannot quantify perception, because it’s not physical. You can quantify energy to a degree, not entirely, but you can to a degree in relation to electric and magnetic. But beyond that, you can’t quantify it because it isn’t physical. It creates physical and so do you. But what that comes from is not a physical expression.
Consciousness is energy. That energy isn’t a thing. It’s an action. It creates things, but in itself it isn’t a thing. YOU aren’t, either. (Chuckles) You create physical things and you exist in a time in which the concentration on the non-physical aspects of reality are in a secondary position, or they have been until much more recently. Now they’re beginning to move more into the forefront again. But you still have an automatic association with the physical first, and that’s what makes it difficult for you to move in these directions that 200 years ago would have been natural and almost automatic, and in some situations it was automatic. But now you are very concentrated in what is physically manifest. Even when you want to entertain magic or energy manipulation, (chuckles) you’re looking for the outcome. You’re looking for the physical manifestation of it. That’s (sighs) the hitch.
AJ: Yeah. So what can I do—
ELIAS: That’s— Proceed.
AJ: Is there, since we probably better wrap up here, I would like to… This is obviously a topic that there’s much more to say. Is there something small that I can do now? In terms of… I don’t know. I mean, maybe do you even just have like a small exercise that might help me, say with regard to my practice of energy work that I do on a daily basis? Which a lot of it is associated, as I’ve told you, at this point with visualizations and with kinesthetic sensation of energy in my body. I mean, should I keep doing that? Am I just doing enough and I just need to keep going, or is there something that I could change to be more effective in what I’m, the way that I’m working with it? Or maybe—
ELIAS: What I would say, I would say there is a reason that I advocate so strongly meditation, because this is engaging an action without an action. This is—
AJ: Which I do. I mean, that’s pretty… I assume. I associate what I’m doing as an expression of meditation. Would you disagree?
ELIAS: No, I would not disagree. I would say that it’s simply a matter of altering that to a degree, and moving in the direction of not focusing on an outcome. That’s the reason that when I engage with people and I speak with them about meditation, I explain to them from the onset: set an intention and then don’t concentrate on that. Don’t think about it. Engage your meditation. And what do I tell people to engage when they are engaging meditation, especially if they are just initially learning how to engage meditation? I tell them to use what they have, use their senses, but not to create anything with their senses, but to use their senses to move them into that state in which they are in between. They are not quite focused on the physical, but they’re not quite focused on non-physical either.
In that, you’re in something that is very similar to a twilight sleep. You’re not asleep, but you’re not fully engaging your objective awareness. In that, you’re moving in that direction of in between. And what that allows you to do is relax and then tap into – naturally – your imagination, which is not fantasy. It’s real. Your imagination can take you to other focuses. It can take you to other areas of consciousness. It can take you to other aspects of your reality in your present time framework. It can give you inspiration of what to do and how to do it, to accomplish something that you want to accomplish.
In that, it’s not going to focus on an outcome. It generally never focuses on an outcome, because you’ve already expressed the outcome as an intention: “I want to accomplish this.” That’s the outcome. Therefore the meditation is what’s bringing you into that state in which you are accessing energy and the non-physical, and that moves you in the direction of the processes and the directions in which you can accomplish through energy, filtered through perception that then creates the actual manifestation.
But in that state of meditation, you’re not concerned with perception and what perception is going to do. You’re in the state of the energy part of it. And what to focus on, and what to make important. Because the meditation is giving you inspirations, is giving you those clues of directions. It’s giving you methods that don’t seem to be methods.
AJ: Okay. All right. I can work with that. And it sounds like the most, the biggest change right now is trying to not focus as much on outcome. Because a lot of what you’re talking about I think I’m, I mean as far as I know I’m to a large extent doing.
ELIAS: But you’re not applying it to what you want.
AJ: Interesting.
ELIAS: You’re doing it in your meditation, I agree, but you’re not necessarily then allowing yourself to move in that direction outside of your meditation. You’re still looking at the outcome.
AJ: So, are you saying that I need to be taking more of what comes to me in the meditations and trying to apply it more directly outside in the world? Or are you saying in the outside world I need to be creating more of that meditative state?
ELIAS: Both.
AJ: Both of those.
ELIAS: But definitely the former, because that will eventually lead you into the latter. The latter is going to be more challenging and harder. But if you are doing the former more so, then it will naturally lead you in the direction of the latter.
AJ: Okay. All right. I can implement something like that then. I can focus a little more on trying to more clearly record what’s coming to me in the meditations, and then apply them, applying that stuff more diligently. Without concern for outcome, but just doing it and seeing where that takes me.
ELIAS: And when you are thinking about “without concern for outcome,” understand: that means that the outcome becomes so unimportant to you that you don’t even think about it anymore. It doesn’t matter.
AJ: Okay. I think I can probably get there. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I know you can. (Laughs) It’s not a matter of whether you can or whether you can’t. You can.
AJ: Okay. Cool. All right. (Elias chuckles) Well, thank you very much. It’s been an interesting conversation, as usual.
ELIAS: You are very, very welcome. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting, my friend. (Chuckles) And I express tremendous support in your directions and for your accomplishments.
AJ: Thank you. Thank you.
ELIAS: My energy is with you always, my friend. Know that. And it is always encouraging you.
Until our next meeting, in tremendous, tremendous love and dear friendship, au revoir.
AJ: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 16 minutes)
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