Session 202205211

Magic, Appearance and Skin Health, Expanding Awareness


“Miracles and Magic”
“Tell Yourself Something Different”
“Wrinkles and Skin Health”
“Accommodating Essence Energy in the Body”
“Expanding Fast Enough”
“Contributing to Lessening the Conflict in Ukraine”
“YOUR Body Created That Feeling”
“What Am I Doing in This Moment?”
“Credit Yourselves with Noticing Your Participation”

Saturday, May 21, 2022 (Group/Hinsdale, New Hampshire)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Ann (Vivette), Bonnie (Lyla), Christina (Melian), Debbie (Tamarra), Denise (Azura), Eric (Doren), Hazra (Lettecia), John (Rrussell), Karen (Turell), Kathleen (Florencia), Lynda (Ruther), Magdalena (Michella), Mark (Liam), Melissa (Leah), Naomi (Kallile), Veronica (Amadis) and Yvonne (Zarla)

“And what I would say to you is, this is a perfect opportunity for you to practice catching yourself and telling yourself something different. Even though you don’t believe it yet, it doesn’t matter that you don’t believe it. You don’t have to believe it yet.”

“Give yourself credit for what you are doing rather than concentrating on what you’re not doing, and then making your movement even slower.”

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

GROUP: Good afternoon, Elias!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And I shall open the floor to all of you, and I will begin this conversation with two things. What is genuinely important to each of you that you might be having some difficulty accomplishing? And what ARE you accomplishing? What ARE you crediting yourselves with that you ARE doing at this time? (Pause) (Chuckles) No one’s accomplishing anything? (Pause)

KATHLEEN: I’ll start.

ELIAS: Very well.

KATHLEEN: It is Kathleen (Florencia). And it’s so great to be here and to see you and be with you, Elias. And I would like to say that I seem to be accomplishing the least likely things and not accomplishing the ones that would seem to be the most likely that I would, that are like no-brainers, so to speak. I am 99 and 9/10 percent sure that I succeeded in gathering to myself, drawing to myself supporting energies to such a magnitude that I have healed the aneurism in my brain. And yet I am still smoking. Somebody’s laughing. I’m working on it. I’m cutting away back, but you know, you said I should throw them in the fire, well when I suggested I should throw them in the wood stove in our last conversation, I did but then I went and got more, at a different store. And so (laughs)… But you know, the thing I’m concerned about besides the smoking is that when I did the injury, when I got the message that that imagery provided me from my body consciousness, I realized that I could just listen a lot more than I had been, and would get way gentler nudges and inclinations to move in directions that were much more beneficial for myself. Such as my living situation. I’m not leaving! And it’s going to be given to me! And all these things. (Inaudible) to come up with a pile of money, like Mary was saying in her talk before.

I tried to do a GoFundMe because of my doubt that I could draw the funding to me. And I appreciated greatly those who donated to my situation, but I realized that okay, I’ve got 450 bucks, that’s not even a month’s rent. And then I realized that that was just one of many, many avenues. I’m selling art as NFTs for enormous sums of money, photography, just all these things that like Mary was saying, she never dreamed that she could do.

And I find it pretty miraculous, in a manner of speaking, but it’s really quite natural but we think of as miraculous, because it’s so far afield from what we assume, that it’s not possible for us because, because, because, because, because, because. We have a million becauses. And I’m just really grateful for all that you’ve taught us over all of these years and that others are teaching, that help us to really open up our inner eyes and ears and hearts and awarenesses to the fact that we really are unlimited beings AND when we work in collaboration with others, all kinds of cool stuff comes out of the woodwork to help push you in the direction that you really prefer to go in, and expand your probabilities and your potentials. So I’m very excited and I would just love any comment you’d make about the success that I know I’ve had in the healing of that injured brain aspect.

ELIAS: I would agree.

KATHLEEN: Awesome. I knew you were going to say that. Thank you. And yeah, and it’s like the concussive parts, well yeah, those are structures that are made to work in specific ways together, so they take some time to mend, because bone is bone and it’s not like I broke a fingernail and oh my god! It’s a fractured vertebrae in my neck and I understand that I have to take care and love myself and be careful and not jump at that whatever it was I wanted to catch or something. I’m taking precautions that to me are sensible and that my body consciousness is in agreement with. And I use my spin doctor all the time, and I don’t mean the guy who does my nutrients up three hours away from me that I call my spin doctor, that uses a pendulum. I use my own and I listen, and I listen to my inner pendulum. And I’m getting so much broader in my understanding and so much more appreciation, and I’m seeing the results of that exponentially in my environment, so…

ELIAS: Tremendous. Congratulations.

KATHLEEN: Thank you. Thank you very much. (Elias chuckles) I appreciate it. (Pause)

ELIAS: And what of the rest of you? (Pause)

BONNIE: We made it cooler. [See Note 1]

ANN: Yes, we did.

ELIAS: You did?

BONNIE: We did.

ELIAS: Made what cooler?

BONNIE: Today. Here.

ELIAS: Oh, the weather!


ELIAS: You changed the weather.

BONNIE: We did. It was more than one. (Elias chuckles)

KATHLEEN: Well done!

ANN: We did a little spell.

BONNIE: We did a spell.

ELIAS: Magic! You did magic. And how much did you change the weather?

BONNIE: Ten degrees Celsius. [Eighteen degrees Fahrenheit]

ELIAS: That is tremendous. Congratulations! I would say that that is definitely an accomplishment.

VERONICA: It was snowing this morning. (Group laughter)

ANN: That’s because Bonnie always overdoes the cold. (Group laughter)

BONNIE: I like the cold.

LYNDA: Oh Canada!

ELIAS: I would say congratulations, again! (Chuckles)

BONNIE: Thank you.


VERONICA: I took a big step over the weekend.

ELIAS: Do tell.

VERONICA: I drew up my will.


VERONICA: Because my daughter has been bugging me. (Elias chuckles) You know, I’ve been having trouble with my kids. I’ve been having trouble as a mother. And I disinherited my other children who have nothing to do with me.

But since those papers have been drawn up, I’m contemplating what is there for me in the future. It’s like I’m putting myself into that psychology of this is my last years. And I know it’s very unhealthy, but those thoughts keep churning. And when I’m aware that the wheels are spinning, I say, “Change! Just stop!” and I get myself busy doing something so that I don’t hear those thoughts again, I’m not conscious of those thoughts. But then I say, “What am I going to make myself into now, in my remaining years?” But those remaining years could be very long. But I don’t want to look in the mirror (laughs) and see all the changes. This is—


VERONICA: This is where I’m at. Oh, the wrinkles and the sagging, it disgusts me.


VERONICA: Because I don’t like it.


VERONICA: Because I guess it’s tied to image, to be eternally attractive (laughs) and sexy and feminine and… I don’t want to be transparent, like people just look through me, like I’m a nothing, I’m no one. But yet I feel myself gravitating to older people.

I think I’m explaining how I feel with my aging. I’ll be 88 in August, and I mean everybody says, “Wow! You’re terrific for that age.” But I feel the changes, I see the changes, and it’s really very bothersome to me. I mean I have to face the fact that change is always present, and I have to change with my ideas. But I don’t like this change. I don’t want to accept it. I could drive myself to my death with this. I fully recognize it. And I don’t know, I think I could be missing something great by not thinking like this. But yet, when I’m alone I keep thinking like that.

ELIAS: And what I would say to you is, this is a perfect opportunity for you to practice catching yourself and telling yourself something different. Even though you don’t believe it yet, it doesn’t matter that you don’t believe it. You don’t have to believe it yet. But catching yourself in those discounting thoughts and then telling yourself something different. You don’t have to tell yourself that you have the face and the body of someone that is thirty years old, or that you have the face and the body of yourself when you were thirty years old or even forty years old. But telling yourself that the appearance of yourself is reflecting you in your expressions, what I would say to you is lines on your face are created by repeated actions. That’s all they are. Genuinely, that’s all they are.

I will express to you similarly to someone else that I recently engaged with about a very similar subject. And in that, even babies begin to have lines on their face, dependent upon if they are very happy, they begin to have lines around their eyes, even as very, very young children. And they don’t go away, because they are associated with repetitive actions that the child is doing. And this is what you do throughout your life. You use your face especially, being very expressive. This is one of the most expressive elements of yourself, of your body, is your face. This is how you interact with other people. It’s part of how you communicate with other people. It’s what reflects your mood. It reflects much of what you feel.

In that, what I would say is, if you are an individual that notices that you have considerable lines around your mouth that are moving in a downward motion, smile more. It will change them. It will, because it pulls your face in a different direction.

You don’t express that it’s bad that you create new grooves in your brain.


ELIAS: But then nobody sees your brain. (Group laughter) And therefore, it’s acceptable that your brain creates new wrinkles. And they ARE wrinkles, and in that, you think of that as being good because it means you’re using more of your brain. When you have many lines on your face, it means you’re using your face a lot in relation to how you are engaging with other people.

And let me say to you, genuinely, unless you are an individual that is taught from approximately the age of ten years old to be consuming at least three liters to four liters of water every day and engaging moisturizer… You look at a ten-year-old. A ten-year-old doesn’t need moisturizer. Yes, they do, because they’re already moving in that direction. But if you haven’t been doing these practices since you were ten years old, then it genuinely doesn’t matter how much moisturizers you use with your face. It does matter that you use moisturizers on other parts of your body and it will help with the appearance and the condition of your skin on other parts of your body, because they dehydrate very easily and it helps your skin to not thin as much.

But other than that, I would say that yes, it’s important that you are consuming what you think of as large amounts of water. It’s not going to change the wrinkles that you already have, but it will likely prevent some from futurely occurring. But that also depends on how you’re using your face, because if you’re smiling, then you’re going to create those lines, because that’s your face moving in a direction of reflecting how you’re using it. And in that, that’s not bad.

It’s (pause) your culture. I would say western culture, which that would include Europe, the United States and the United Kingdom – those would be what you would classify as western cultures. And in western cultures, you have this perception about appearance, that it’s bad. That unless it adheres to a very specific and narrow guideline, then it’s unacceptable. And in that, it’s very unrealistic, very unrealistic.

What I would say is that there are many people throughout the world in other cultures that actually recognize that your appearance as you age IS reflecting you, your personality, your life, what you’ve accomplished, whether you are a positive individual or whether you’re a negative individual, what type of energy you normally project. They see that, by observing your appearance, and they express a genuine appreciation of that.

I have expressed many times, regeneration is not reversing. It’s simply expressing a communication to your body to function in its normal capacity, which is to continuously be creating more cells, to constantly be moving in a direction of procreating your cells throughout your body. It isn’t reversing age, and it doesn’t reverse what you’ve already created. It simply moves you in a direction in which you are not creating degeneration. Therefore, with your organs, you aren’t degenerating them and therefore they continue to function properly. With your body, your muscles, your bones, they continue to function properly and they are functioning in a manner that is easy, that is not inclined to breakage.

Therefore there are very good reasons to be expressing that communication to yourself in relation to regeneration, but it’s not the fountain of youth. It’s not reversing whatever you’ve already created. But what is the most important? What have I expressed to all of you repeatedly, over and over and over again? What creates your reality?

VERONICA: Your perception.

ELIAS: Your perception. Precisely. And what is the most influencing piece in relation to your perception? What influences—

VERONICA: Beliefs.

ANN: What you concentrate upon.

ELIAS: What you pay attention to and what you concentrate on is what influences your perception the most. Your perception is the projector that creates all of your reality. If you’re concentrating on something that you are repulsed by or that you hate, that’s what you’re going to create more of. Because the basic principle of consciousness is what? You always create more. It doesn’t matter if it’s positive or negative. You always create more. Always.

Therefore, the wondrous part of that is that if you are paying attention to something that you like, if you are paying attention to what you appreciate, if you are paying attention to what you enjoy, you create more of it automatically.

(To Veronica) I would say to you personally, individually, that for a considerable amount of time in your life, what you paid attention to was liking your appearance. And therefore, you created an image that has been attractive throughout your life. And now, at the age of 88 years of age, you still are creating an attractiveness that other individuals at 88 years of age are not expressing, because you concentrated on appreciating and liking your appearance for so many years, for so long. Now it’s simply a matter of recognizing and accepting your age. That doesn’t mean your life is over. Accepting that you are 88 years of age and (chuckles) that you ARE attractive. You’re not 44 years of age and attractive, you’re 88 years and attractive. And in that, you’re still spry. You are still moving in a direction in which you are engaging and you are intelligent and you are alert.

VERONICA: Sometimes.

ELIAS: Most of the time. (Group laughter) And expanding. And you are, and you’re continuously expanding. That is tremendous. Therefore, what I would say to you: stop disliking yourself.

VERONICA: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

VERONICA: Coming from you, it’s wonderful. Thank you.


JOHN: I’m curious about something you said there because you’ve had sessions with people, several people, one is me, you said you can reverse greying of hair, which you’ve said is—

ELIAS: You may change it. I did not say reverse.

JOHN: You didn’t. That’s true. You can change it.

ELIAS: You can change it.

JOHN: You can change it back to the original.

ELIAS: You can. That’s not regeneration. That’s different. You are moving in a direction of wanting to change an action with your hair. That, as we’ve discussed, hair is an interesting manifestation with humans. That all of your hair is hollow. Every shaft of hair that you have is hollow. It’s similar to a straw. And in that, there is pigmentation of fluid that is inside of those straws, those hair shafts.

Now; what happens in relation to hair that is greying is that the fluid that’s in the hair shaft that holds that pigmentation, that holds that color, becomes less and less. It drains, and it’s becoming less and less. Therefore, the hair shaft is becoming more and more empty. Therefore in that, this isn’t really a matter of regeneration because this can happen to a child.

JOHN: Right.

ELIAS: And in that, it’s not necessarily associated with degeneration. It’s something that some bodies do more, some bodies do less. And in that, what you’re doing is instructing the body consciousness to create more of that fluid that is inside of the hair shafts and creating that with that pigmentation.

JOHN: But skin doesn’t regenerate without wrinkles?

ELIAS: It can. It does. Your… every cell in your body has the ability to be regenerating. Meaning not reversing, but that it, the cells are continuing to multiply.

JOHN: Yeah. Every forty days or something like that, you get a new body. Was that what they say?

ELIAS: Approximately every seven years, your entire body will be different. All of the cells within your entire body, it requires about seven years for ALL of the cells in your body to be completely changed. But they’re always multiplying, unless you are automatically degenerating because you’re not paying attention, which most people do.

In that, skin is constantly multiplying cells. That why you have dust in your house. It doesn’t matter where you live. You don’t need to live in a desert to have dust in your house. You have dust in your house because dust is dead skin cells. You are constantly shedding dead skin cells, constantly.

MARK: It’s disgusting. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: Why? Why is it disgusting?

ANN: It’s not.

ELIIAS: Why is it disgusting? You are constantly shedding dead skin cells that are being replaced with new skin cells that are alive. And in that, you are constantly renewing your skin, and it can’t breathe if it’s coated with dead skin cells. Therefore, it is more breathable – this is the reason that people in relation to cosmetology express to you that it’s good to exfoliate your skin. What does that mean? It means to scrape off the dead skin cells.

JOHN: You had suggested to me, and I bought it. It looks like a bar of soap, but it’s—

LYNDA: Oh, pumice.

JOHN: — Himalayan mountain salts.


LYNDA: Oh, pumice stone.


JOHN: Well, it’s like it, I mean—


JOHN: I rub it on my skin.

ELIAS: Sea salt.

JOHN: Sea salt, yeah. Well, it’s Himalayan mountain salt, but it’s the same deal.

ELIAS: And your skin will be very soft after you use it, because the salt rubs away – and you don’t have to scrub yourself. You simply put it on and rinse it off, and it will actually create very, very soft skin because your skin is constantly being moved in a direction of new skin. You’re always creating new skin, or uncovering new skin. And that also is an action that encourages regeneration. It encourages you to continually be producing cell division and cell multiplication, which is what regeneration is. And in that, your skin, yes, is constantly moving in that direction.

And I would say that in relation to lines or wrinkles, in some capacities it can prevent that. It’s tricky. The reason it’s tricky is because all of you are different. You have different types of skin. And some people have skin that is more flexible than other people’s. Some people’s skin is more elastic than other people’s skin. This is the reason that you might see an old man in Africa that you might consider to be no more than forty years of age, and he might be ninety, because of the elasticity of their skin which is natural.

JOHN: There is a saying: “Black don’t crack.”

ELIAS: That’s not… But that does not hold true for everyone. And it’s not simply a matter of darker skin being more elastic. There are many individuals with very light skin that also have that type of elasticity in their skin. That’s depending on the individual and what is natural for them. And in that, every individual, simply by looking in a mirror, can assess what type of skin they have and whether it has that tremendous elasticity or whether it doesn’t.

The point is, that doesn’t matter. The point is, it is a matter of being accepting of you, yourself and who you are and what body you’ve chosen and what appearance you’ve chosen, and to be satisfied with that.

JOHN: Because the point of a lot of those questions is conforming to a narrow standard of aesthetics, right? Or beauty, right?

ELIAS: Yes, which in western cultures has a very narrow standard of what is attractive and what isn’t. They have a much broader spectrum of what isn’t attractive.

JOHN: Last question, I promise. So what’s an example of a culture that has a much wider sense of…

ELIAS: Of attractiveness?

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: There are many. I would say most of your South American cultures – not all, but most. (Group laughter) But most of them, they do have a broader sense of attractiveness. I would say most of your eastern cultures, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, all of your Asian countries, Indonesian countries, Australian, New Zealand, most of your—

JOHN: Interesting. Those would presumably be western, but—

ELIAS: Most of your African. I would say that even the Caucasian people in South Africa have a different perception because they have occupied that country for so long that it has affected their perception, and therefore their perception is different and is much wider in relation to attractiveness. But I would say that yes, Australia and New Zealand are part of the United Kingdom, but they also have heavy influences of not only the natives but the early settlers, which the early settlers in these countries were individuals that you would classify as the dregs. Therefore, their perception of attractiveness was almost non-existent.

JOHN: Prisoners taken to an island.

ELIAS: Yes. And therefore in that, they also have a significant influence by the indigenous people. And that has carried through more than what would be accepted in western culture.

JOHN: And of course guy pretty is different from girl pretty.


KATHLEEN: What about the Scandinavian countries or Germany, Germanic cultures, aren’t they kind of broad in their view of beauty, the Scandinavian people?

ELIAS: Not as much, no. They would be similar to your cultures.

KATHLEEN: Ah. Interesting.

JOHN: I would have guessed the same, Kathleen.

ANN: I have a question. It’s interesting, kind of, you’re talking to us about from what you are, from where we’re standing. Except I remember once you telling me I could look in a mirror and I could look one way and I can see myself. Moments later, I can look in the mirror and see myself a different way.

ELIAS: Yes, you can. And you can still do that.

ANN: I know. Yeah. I would imagine. So it’s very interesting to me, because sometimes, like I’m going to think about that, like attractiveness and whatever. Like sometimes… and maybe it’s just like tired or what. I’m tired. And then, you know, it might just be a matter of putting cream on, taking a breath, whatever, looking, and oh yeah, I do look better. But it just… I think the reason I’m bringing that up, like you said if you have a wrinkle, you have a wrinkle. But that’s not necessarily true. I mean, maybe it is for the… It’s kind of like saying okay, there’s going to be gravity. There’s gravity. There’s some people who maybe can get beyond that belief, but not likely. But the same thing with wrinkles. And I mean it’s not that wrinkles are bad, wrinkles are fine, but it’s just interesting to me that you say if we have a wrinkle, you have a wrinkle, when in actuality it’s not necessarily true if… You know, I just want to leave that door open, Elias. (Group laughter) I want to leave that magic open. We’re not shutting any magic doors.

ELIAS: I would agree with the magic. Absolutely. Yes, I would. And I would also express, as I did, that it’s also a matter of perception.

ANN: Yeah. Exactly.

ELIAS: And therefore, it’s not absolute. You are correct. I am expressing more in relation to the generality that this is what most people create, and that once they’ve created that significantly, it’s highly unlikely that they’re going to uncreate it.

ANN: Yes. Just like gravity.

ELIAS: Yes. I agree. I very much agree. (Group chatter) And I very much agree and encourage you in that direction.

ANN: Thank you.

ELIAS: Yes. (Laughs) And I will agree and express to all of you that there is ALWAYS that possibility of magic and that you can magically transform anything.

ANN: Even like shape-shifting. I mean, I kind of want to… I don’t want to get stuck in my beliefs, in my old beliefs. I want to expand them. You know, I might in this reality, in this focus, I might shape-shift. I don’t think I’m going to become a medium, but maybe I can become a little different look. You know, it starts little. Elias, I want to have fun!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well.

ANN: Thank you.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes?

DENISE: Oh, since we’re talking about magic, I have accomplished teleporting things unintentionally, but I would like to do magic and especially teleportation intentionally. And yesterday, I created this vertigo and you said it was due to being open. I would like to continue being open without these physical side effects.

ELIAS: That requires practice. What I would say to you is partially it’s adjusting to the volumes of energy. And I would say that it would be exceptionally rare if you weren’t experiencing physical manifestations in relation to moving in the direction of channeling and being open to all of these other energies. It’s difficult for the human body to accommodate those types of energies, non-physical energies. It’s difficult enough for humans to accommodate human energy in volume. When there are mass expressions, many individuals that find themselves open to mass energy that may be happening in the world, either feel overwhelmed or they generate physical manifestations or they become physically ill. And that’s simply from other human energy. And then when you are engaging with non-physical energies, it’s bigger. That’s the reason that it is more difficult, because you’re engaging with energies that are more intense because they’re more voluminous.

DENISE: But we also engage those energies for healing.

ELIAS: You do, but you do it in limitations. You do it in limited amounts. And in that, you’re very specifically channeling that, not necessarily through your own body. Which is the reason that people that are channeling through their own body with energy exchanges, most of them with very rare exceptions create physical responses. Your body is responding. It’s reacting to an unnatural energy. It’s not natural to incorporate other non-physical energies in your physical body. It is natural but to a degree to incorporate mass energy of other humans in your body, because it’s human energy. Therefore it’s similar to your own and it’s not as voluminous, even in mass. Even in mass, one essence has a greater or more volume, one. One. Not a mosaic, one has a more voluminous energy.

DENISE: Well, then I’ve gotten on pretty well.

ELIAS: I would agree. I would. I would remind you, within… It was the initial (pause) three years, perhaps slightly longer than that, with Michael that the body was reacting in what you could term to be violent bouts of illness, and even twice, seizures. Therefore I would agree that—

DENISE: So if it’s a natural part of it, how do I minimize this? It’s a matter of not opposing, right?


DENISE: Not opposing the body?

ELIAS: Yes. And what I would say is, it’s a matter of allowing yourself to acclimate. Your body will eventually acclimate and it will eventually—

DENISE: Even if essence is changing every day?

ELIAS: Yes. It will eventually recognize this is something that you’re continuing to do, and it will respond by acclimating to these other volumes of energies. It doesn’t have to be the same one.

DENISE: It’s not the volume – I mean, it’s not the personality, it’s the volume that matters?

ELIAS: Correct.


ELIAS: Yes. It’s the volume. It’s not one particular essence. One essence is not necessarily different from another. It’s the volume of all of it, and allowing yourself to relax (Denise laughs) and not oppose it, and definitely practice relaxing. And in that, allowing. That it’s a matter of time.

DENISE: The same with palpitations? (Laughs) It’s a matter of time?

ELIAS: What I would say to you is, think about your body. If you… If you slice open your leg on your body, is it likely to heal immediately?


ELIAS: It’s likely that it’s going to require some time to heal, to mend and to heal. That’s what your body is doing in relation to the volumes of energy. It’s creating a healing action inside of your body, and especially inside of your brain. I will – yes? – engage one more and then we will break.

YVONNE: Sure, so in relation to that and like allowing an energy exchange, allowing the energy of another to come in, is it more so, too… I guess I feel like in my case there’s like some modulation involved. Like what I’m able to engage right now in terms of (inaudible) that I do, for example, rather than like opening completely, is my perception.

ELIAS: I would agree. You can do that. You can limit the amount of energy that you accept. You can move in a direction of buffering out and also expressing, “No, I’m not going to be completely open. I’m willing to move in this direction and I’m willing to engage this much energy and no more.” Which is very similar to what people do in relation to mass energy with people. They may allow themselves to engage some of that, but not all of it. And they may engage it at certain times, and not other times. And you can do the same thing with other essences. Yes. That’s… It’s entirely your choice.

When it is a matter of engaging another essence, a non-physical essence, it’s always entirely your choice how you do it and what you do with it. The other essence may have an agenda, as I do myself, but that can only be expressed in how much Michael allows the energy to be engaged. And through time, that has developed and there has been a greater and greater and greater allowance of the volume of energy. And in that, in being open in the initial time framework without a limitation, Michael engaged considerable illness, as you’re doing. When you aren’t setting a limit, this is what will likely happen because – and I’m not saying that that’s bad. I’m merely explaining that when you are open, that’s what is likely going to happen because your body can’t accommodate that volume of energy. It’s not accustomed to that and it can’t accommodate it.

It has to learn how to accommodate that type of energy. It does learn, just as if you run, your muscles develop and they learn to function in a certain manner. If you lift weights, your muscles learn to move in a certain manner.

DENISE: And the exercise you gave us to push energy out increases the capacity for that volume? Or (inaudible) that? Or no?

ELIAS: That depends. That depends on what you’re doing. That exercise, it very much does depend on what you’re doing, because that exercise could actually make you more open. And therefore—

DENISE: Which is not necessarily a bad thing.

ELIAS: But it might not be comfortable. And in that, what I would say is, that’s a matter – that’s an excellent question, because that’s a matter of being intentional. And therefore, then you won’t create a situation in which you’re being more open to those volumes of energy.

(To Yvonne) I would say you also have generated a very similar action in limiting the amount of volume of energy that is allowed to pass through your body, and therefore you’re not experiencing these types of reactions. And that doesn’t mean that you will never experience reactions. You will. You likely have, and you will, but in much less of a capacity because you’re funneling that energy in measured amounts, and that is different and it definitely does accommodate the body consciousness more.

This I would definitely, I would definitely encourage you if you’re going to do any type of exercise that opens you more, buffer. Be aware.

DENISE: What is the ratio of one essence to the human mass energy?

ELIAS: That’s an excellent question also. One essence to mass energy. Of course, it depends on what the mass energy is, but let’s use the present conflict between Ukraine and Russia, that being a mass expression.

DENISE: Also, my last vertigo incident. Yeah.

ELIAS: With that as an example, one essence energy volume would be approximately (pause)… approximately 45% more (pause) than that mass energy. That’s a lot of energy. That should give all of you some idea of what anyone who is engaging an energy exchange, what type of volume of energy they are engaging. It’s a lot. It’s enormous.

Now we will break. (Group laughter and applause) And we will continue shortly. (Chuckles)

(Break after 1 hour and 3 minutes)

ELIAS: Continuing. And who will be next?

CHRISTINA: So we were talking about, or you were talking about what is important and that we’re accomplishing, but I’m focused on what I’m not accomplishing in terms of widening my awareness. I just don’t feel like it’s going fast enough and I’m not doing enough to widen my awareness.

ELIAS: Which is the not enough piece again.

CHRISTINA: Right. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And as I expressed, what is important, especially with not enough, is to catch yourself and to express the opposite, to continue to be expressing to yourself, “Enough.” And in addition to that, focus on enough. Therefore, look for what IS enough. Anything. It doesn’t matter what it is, but look for what IS enough in the moment, in your life, whatever. But include that in your daily expressions. And I would encourage you to be doing that “Who do I want to be today?” exercise and to genuinely focus on that, because it will definitely help you to be more present, and the more present you are, the more you DO expand your awareness.

But let me also say to all of you, many of you have a commonality about not accomplishing fast enough, or something not being fast enough or happening fast enough. And there are two factors with this. One is generally speaking, the more you concentrate on whatever it is not moving fast enough, the slower you move. But in addition to that, regardless of what you think objectively, remember that your desire is the engine that moves you. And in that, you know in your desire – you may not think about it objectively, but you know in your desire – what you can engage. And in that, for the most part, if you were moving faster than you are, you probably would overwhelm yourself and you wouldn’t know what to do with yourself because you’d be so overwhelmed. Also, it takes time for you to assimilate information.

Widening your awareness, expanding your awareness is not something that simply happens overnight. It’s not that you simply become enlightened to everything all of a sudden, but that you require time to assimilate information. You’re gathering information, and that’s what’s helping you to expand your awareness. And in that, it takes time to assimilate all of the information and it takes time to readjust yourselves, because you are so ingrained with so many expressions, so many directions, so many ideas and so many automatic expressions and ideas of what is right, what isn’t right, what is wrong, what’s acceptable, what isn’t acceptable, expectations of yourselves, of other people. All of these things are very strongly ingrained in you and it takes time to weed them out and to change your perception about them. You have in some capacities some very strong opinions, and those opinions are generally about what is right and what isn’t, what should be and what shouldn’t be. And there is no what should or shouldn’t be, but that’s not how your reality has been structured throughout your lives, and therefore it takes time to, in a manner of speaking, undo all of that.

If you create a knot with a hundred and fifty strings, it’s going to take you some time to undo that knot with that many strings, and to untangle all of those strings and to pull them apart, and therefore to be able to look at each individual string and either keep one and discard it, or keep another or discard it. You would make that decision, you would make those choices, after you’ve unraveled them all and after you’ve been able to look at each and every one of those strings that you’ve pulled out of that knot. But it takes time to pull it all out of that knot. You don’t simply look at the knot of a hundred and fifty strings and blink and they’re all lying in front of you, that you can— unless you’re doing magic.

ANN: Yeah! Thank you! Thank you for that, Elias!

ELIAS: That you can look at all of those strings and you can decide: “I like this string. I don’t like this string. I like this string. I like the color of this string. I definitely don’t like this string.” It’s the same. You have a tremendous tangle of ideas and expectations of yourselves, of each other, of your world, and you have many opinions about all of it. And they’re all tangled together and they’re all in one giant knot that you carry around with you. And in that, it’s a matter of time to be undoing that knot and looking at all of those different associations and ideas and expectations, and looking at each one and deciding: “Do I believe this one? Do I like this one? Do I want to keep this one?” and then making an intentional choice. That’s what takes time.

And in that, I would say - let me express, in the beginning of this forum with the original group of individuals, I expressed a statement to them very early on in our conversations. And there was a considerable reaction from the individuals. I made one statement. This is only one statement, one idea: that there is no God. And the individuals that were part of that original group were aghast. How dare I express that there is no God, when they knew for certain that there is, and that I must be entirely wrong. And they simply did not know what to believe and they were quite a-dither. (Group laughter)

And in that, I would say from that one statement, it was approximately two and a half to three weeks before they could even entertain the idea that that might be a possibility. And I’m speaking to intelligent, educated individuals, but this was something that they simply had not encountered before. It was something they had not been told or presented with before, and it was contrary to what they had believed for their lives in this focus. And in that, it was very overwhelming and difficult for them to address to that and to move in a direction of even contemplating that it could be possible.

That was only one idea. You are shifting. You are expanding your awareness and in that, you’re addressing to many, many, many ideas, many different directions. You’re attempting to direct yourselves. You’re attempting to understand what directing yourselves means. You’re attempting to structure yourselves and decipher what that means for each of you individually. You’re attempting to move in directions of acceptance and acceptance of differences, not only between yourselves and other people, but differences with your own self. Different directions that you’re moving in, or different ideas that you are having now, and learning how to assimilate all of that and how to incorporate it into your lives in some type of comfortable manner. And it’s not easy. It’s simple, but it’s not easy.

And in that, I would say to all of you: whenever you catch yourself thinking or feeling or saying, “I’m simply not moving fast enough,” or “I’m not doing this fast enough,” or “I’m not expanding fast enough,” stop. Take a breath and remind yourself, you’re moving as fast as is appropriate for you and you are accomplishing fine. Give yourself credit for what you are doing rather than concentrating on what you’re not doing, and then making your movement even slower. (Pause)

BONNIE: Elias, can we mix it up with two people at once?

ELIAS: Most definitely.

BONNIE: You were talking to Veronica and you gave her ideas about changing her own views, or helping her with what she already believed, in relation to aging. What if there’s two of you looking at the same thing? And I’m interested in how that would work.

I’ll give you a concrete example. We have a mountain place. There are, between us and the lake and the mountain, there was some space and now there’s some building going on there. So I like to look out and say, “It’s beautiful. The mountain will still be beautiful. We’ll still see some of the lake and it will be beautiful.” Another person might look out there and say, “The view’s going to be blocked. I hate these people,” put up a ruler, “It’s going to be this high. What are we going to see?” How do you manage that?

ELIAS: Excellent question. (Group laughter) That would be a matter of cooperation. And how do you move in a direction of cooperation between people, regardless of who they are, and regardless of what the subject is? What does cooperation mean, first?

MELISSA: How do I honor myself while honoring the other individual?

ELIAS: Precisely! Thank you. Yes. Honoring yourself AND the other individual at the same time. Therefore, it’s a matter of being creative and thinking about that. How do I honor myself and honor the other individual at the same time? Because the other individual’s perception is equally as valid as your own. And in that, it’s not a matter of compromising. It’s not a matter of making the other individual see from your perspective. It’s not a matter of convincing the other individual to be different because your way is more positive and their way is more negative. It’s not about instructing the other individual, because your way is better (group laughter) and their way is less.

But it’s a matter of considering what the other individual is expressing, taking into consideration their perception, because it’s valid. It is THEIR perception. It is THEIR reality, which is just as valid as your own. Reality isn’t only valid if it is expressed in what you think of as a positive manner. And positive and negative are relative. That a person that is expressing from what you think of as a negative direction, they may not perceive it as being negative. They may express, “I’m simply being realistic. I’m not being negative. I’m simply expressing how it is. And I don’t think anything is negative or positive about the situation. It simply is what it is.” And they believe that, because that’s their perception. They also may be feeling encroached on.

Now; in that, this is the reason that I expressed it’s a matter of (pause) listening to the other individual and genuinely considering their perception. You don’t have to agree with it. You don’t have to change YOUR perception either, any more than they have to change theirs. But it is a matter of considering what their perception is. Because if you don’t, how can you cooperate with the other individual? You can’t, if you don’t know what their actual perspective is, what their perception is – and you don’t know simply by listening to them. When you’re making a judgment, you’re being very negative. You’re not actually listening. You’re simply hearing what they’re saying and you’re making a judgment that they’re being negative and you’re being dismissive of it.

But when you actually consider what they are expressing, then you can (pause) engage with them from a very different angle, from a very different perspective, when you can see that it’s not simply a matter of this person is being negative, that this person is actually feeling threatened. This person is not feeling threatened that something is going to physically harm them, but feeling threatened that their world is changing and they’re not the one that’s changing it. That’s their perception, even though they ARE changing it, because they are participating in those changes – but that’s not how they perceive it. They perceive it in the manner that someone else is doing something, it’s altering their reality, they don’t like it, it’s a change they didn’t ask for, and that’s threatening. It’s making their world change. It’s making their life different. They like their life the way it was. They don’t want it to change. And therefore – and they feel out of control.

When you actually listen and aren’t dismissive and aren’t simply expressing, “You’re being negative and you should be more like me,” when you’re not doing that, then you can actually understand more of what the individual is actually expressing. And then you can approach the situation differently. Then you can acknowledge the other individual in, “It is going to change your view of the mountain or of the water or of the ocean” or whatever it may be. “Yes, I agree with you that it is going to change your view. And I can see how that’s distressing.” Then you can begin to ask questions. Rather than making statements or instructing, then you begin to ask questions: “What can WE do that will make this less invasive? How can we approach this situation with this building that will be less bothersome? What are YOUR ideas? Other than wanting to kill the people that are building, (group laughter) because that’s not an option. Therefore, what can we realistically do that will be less bothersome?” Don’t say “not bothersome,” because for a time the person likely is going to express, “There’s nothing that you can do. It is what it is. They’re already ruining my view. They’re already ruining the landscape.”

But if you continue to be encouraging and asking the other individual what ideas they have, then that encourages them to feel more in control. Not that control is something that we aspire to (chuckles), but that is something that many, many, many people still express in part, to a degree. It is what you know, and which would be another piece of what is changing, and that if you’re changing it too fast, your head will spin.

Therefore in that, it’s a matter of moving in a direction of asking questions. What makes the other individual feel safer? What makes them feel more in control of the situation? What makes them happier? What can they do that is changing the situation somewhat? How can they move in a different direction that will allow them to not be so focused on what they hate? And in that, even though the individual likely won’t express tremendously initially – they’re not going to jump and down and express to you, “Oh yes! That’s perfect!” (Group laughter) They’re (chuckles) likely going to be grumpy about it for a time, but they automatically begin to feel more in control if they’re being heard. Therefore the outside situation is less threatening, because they’re beginning to feel a little more in control when they know that someone hears them and they know that someone is being sensitive to what they are distressed about.

It doesn’t mean that when you are cooperating that you’re automatically going to find a solution. You might not. But in a manner of speaking, the solution is that one individual feels less bothered. And therefore if one individual feels less bothered, the other individual automatically feels less bothered also. And that IS cooperating with each other.

In this, you might not find a solution such as when you compromise, where one individual gets this and the other individual gets this, and neither of them are tremendously happy with what they get, but they expect to get less than what they want because they’re compromising. Cooperation is not that. It is genuinely honoring both of you. You’re honoring yourself by expressing yourself, and also by recognizing that the other individual may be someone that’s important to you and therefore you don’t want them to be angry or bothered or upset and unhappy. But you also don’t want to listen to it and you don’t want to be unhappy either. Therefore you are generating some type of an action that will encourage the other individual not to simply be complaining, and also honors you, that you don’t want to be in that atmosphere. Therefore that’s the direction that I would encourage you to move in.

Cooperation is challenging at times, because it’s something you’re not accustomed to doing, and it’s something that requires you to be creative. It requires you to be present. It requires you to genuinely think about what is happening and what another individual is doing. And in that, even if it’s a court, even if it’s a corporation, individuals occupy positions in these places. A corporation, a courthouse, there are people that are expressing in positions in those institutions and in that, they are expressing in very definite, absolute roles. And in that, it’s challenging to cooperate because it’s not so difficult for you to think about how to honor yourself – sometimes. Many times you don’t even know how to do that, but sometimes it’s not so difficult to honor yourself, or so you think, but it’s very challenging to think about how to honor the other side if the other side seems to be moving in an oppositional direction or is oppositional to you. That it’s not necessarily oppositional, but it’s in opposition to you and your position.

And in that, it’s always a matter of looking at the other side first and expressing how can I honor that? I don’t have to agree with it. I don’t have to like it. But how can I be honoring of that? Not opposing it. Not matching energy with it. Therefore honoring it. And in that, then looking at yourself and looking at your position and expressing how can I also not be oppositional? The other person is being oppositional, in my perception. How can I also not be oppositional and honor myself in my direction?

Therefore this is the difference. Neither of you might actually get precisely what you want, because you’re moving together. And you don’t create someone else’s choices and their reality, and they don’t create yours. And therefore you’re not compromising, but even if you don’t get precisely what you want – because you want the other person to change, because you want the other thing to do what you want them to do, but they also want YOU to do what THEY want you to do. It moves in both directions. Therefore in that, you might not get exactly what you want, because you’re not going to get the other individual to make the choices that you want them to make. You can’t make their choices for them, but you can move in a direction in which both of you are honored. And in doing that, it softens the energy and eventually you do move in a direction together. It doesn’t happen immediately, but eventually, naturally, you do move in a direction together. And in that, that is much more productive and satisfying than any type of compromise.

MARK: Elias, in regards to what she’s talking about, how impactful or affecting, if at all, if she got to a place of cooperation? Would it be everything else? Not just that topic.

ELIAS: Oh it does impact, yes, everything else.

MARK: Everything else?

ELIAS: Yes, it does. It ripples through, and the more you do it the more it does impact everything else. Just as anything else, just as expressing intentionally, “Yes, enough; yes, enough,” it ripples out. Just as when you are expressing not enough, it affects everything.

MARK: Isn’t that the point of all of this?


MARK: All of this?

ELIAS: Yes. But this is another specific avenue, which is good and important that it is addressed to.

MARK: So it’s like an added benefit?


MARK: More motivation. (Elias chuckles) That’s pretty cool.

KATHLEEN: Great question. Thank you.

BONNIE: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. (Chuckles) Yes?

VERONICA: Would this cooperation be applicable to the world situation?

ELIAS: Most definitely. It would be applicable to anything. Anything.

VERONICA: Is there a possibility that it is working, maybe unknown to us individual citizens, but is it on the landscape with the nations involved in what is happening on the world stage with Russia and Ukraine?

ELIAS: Yes. I will express – I recently expressed to some individuals in their conversation with myself, and I will reiterate it to all of you – that many of you may notice that you may have been riveted to that situation when it first began. That you were very much paying attention to Russia and Ukraine when it was first occurring. And since then, you may also notice that your attention may be drifting away from that, or that you’re not concentrating on that or you’re not paying much attention to it at all. And some people are even feeling guilty about not paying attention to it, and that they should be paying attention to it but they’re not, and it’s somewhat confusing. It’s natural.

Actually what you’re doing is excellent, because what you’re doing is because you’ve been shifting and because you’ve been expanding your self-awareness, you’ve pulled your attention back to you, in many different capacities. Some people are doing it in creating physical manifestations. Some people are doing it in relation to what is happening in their life. Some people are doing it in relation to something distressing or consuming, and some people are doing it in relation to excitement and fun. It depends on the individual, but most people in the world – not simply in your community – are moving their attention back to themselves, which what that’s doing is, it’s redirecting energy.

People have become suspicious of media because of the mass event with the virus. And people are less inclined to be engaging the media constantly any longer. And they’re still suspicious about whether the media is actually expressing what’s actually happening.

Now; there are people that DO actually know or have family or friends in these two countries, and they are receiving information from other people about what is happening. And what I would say to you all, very genuinely and very directly, it’s war. There are horrific atrocities that are being committed. It’s war. People are dying. People are hungry. People are being assaulted. It’s war. That’s what happens in wars. There is an abundance of aggression, and aggression is the one expression that disconnects you. And there is a plethora of that. It’s war.

But what is different now is that there are a tremendous amount of people who have moved their attention away from the media, away from the conflict. Not that you’re not aware that the war is happening. It’s not that you’re oblivious or ignoring it. It’s simply that you’re not paying attention to the conflict. And in not paying attention to the conflict, you’re actually generating an energy that is moving in the other direction. It’s encouraging the conflict to stop. It’s not stopping yet, but you are actually contributing to lessening the conflict. And although the media will tell you only about the atrocities that are happening, there are actually many individuals, many women, that are very much empowering themselves in Ukraine and (chuckles) in Russia, that are protecting children, that are empowering themselves to not be victims and are empowering other individuals to not be victims. And in that, you won’t hear about that, because it’s not sensational enough. But it’s happening.

And I would express tremendous encouragement to all of you: don’t question yourselves or discount yourselves that you’re not wailing over your televisions, watching the atrocities that are happening in this war. Because by not participating in that, you’re lending a considerable amount of energy to what you actually hold as important in cooperation and peace and honoring individuals and their lives.


JOHN: A quick question. It’s funny. I was out this morning. I was sitting by myself and having tea, and I was reading about monkey pox, and I was reading about Ukraine. And I thought to myself, I like reading current events. I read it, reading about this, I might even think about it, it’s interesting, what’s happening here. And then Mark showed up and he actually mentioned the same thing. We talked about it and we both sort of like following the news, and it’s interesting. Then Wynn showed up and we joked about monkey pox. I was just thinking, you know it’s… But it’s one thing to pay attention to, follow with interest, and then – maybe follow with great interest, right? But then go do something else. But I think the paying attention to that you’re referring to is more a sort of deep worry or—


JOHN: Okay.


MARK: Swimming in it.

JOHN: Swimming in it. That’s what you said.

ELIAS: Following the feeling.

LYNDA: Following the feeling. (Group chatter)

ELIAS: There is nothing wrong with paying attention to it or being interested in the coverage of it. That’s – you are correct – not what I am addressing to. Many, many, many people have a tendency to avail themselves of that type of information and then to follow feelings about it, and to allow that to dictate their own behaviors and their choices, and to immobilize themselves. They are so mired in the feelings that they become immobilized.

ANN: You know, I don’t know if this is a right on it or not, but it almost feels to me like with this monkey pox thing or whatever, it’s like this last gasp of… whether it’s the media or people trying to make people fear things. And to me, it’s almost becoming a bit comical. “Okay, what can we…?” You know, the corona dies down, let’s do another wave or okay, now let’s do monkey pox or (group laughter)… I mean, I know it’s probably all true and accurate, but to me it just feels like “What can we throw out there? Because we’re losing them! We’re losing them! Let’s get something going!” That’s kind of what it feels like to me.

ELIAS: And I would say—

KATHLEEN: A sovereignty issue.

ELIAS: — you’re actually correct. But it’s not—

ANN: I mean not intentional.

ELIAS: It’s not for them. But I would also say, think about your individual lives. And in that, when something very dramatically affects you, you do move in a direction to perpetuate it. And it doesn’t matter if it’s excited about something or it’s very distressed about something or angry about something. You do have a tendency to want to continue to perpetuate that.

ANN: Is it because feelings are so attractive?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And because, not only because they’re attractive, but also because you don’t remember what the purpose of feelings are.

ANN: Signals! I know.

ELIAS: You don’t remember what the point or what the function of feelings are. Just as it has taken you a considerable time to understand and to accept what the function of thinking is.

ANN: Yeah. You’re right. And you keep reminding us. Thanks for that. We appreciate it.

ELIAS: And I will continue. (Group laughter) But it’s very similar, that you have moved in a direction for eons of thinking is what creates your reality, thinking is driving you, thinking is a communication to yourself. It’s none of those, but that’s the association that you have. And feelings are always a reaction. No, they are not. And feelings are the emotion. No, they’re not. And that feelings are in themselves a communication. No, they are not.

ANN: They’re the alerting.

ELIAS: Therefore in that, it’s taking time, once again, taking time to assimilate that information and change your perception and understand: no, this is not the definition or the function of feelings, and no, this is not the definition or the function of thinking. And that these expressions are functions in relation to your body consciousness. Thinking doesn’t originate in the body consciousness, and feelings do.

Therefore, you are so accustomed to even expressing that you feel something because someone else made you feel that, or someone else did something to you and that made you feel this. No, YOU created the feeling. Yes, someone else may have expressed or behaved in a manner that influenced you, but YOU created the feeling because YOUR body creates feelings. You didn’t catch it from some outside source. It’s not a virus. And even if it was, you wouldn’t catch it.

MARK: It’s monkey pox! (Group laughter)

ELIAS: But in that, YOUR body created that feeling. It’s yours. It belongs to you. It is about you. And thinking doesn’t originate in the body. Your brain doesn’t think. Your brain responds to thinking, and then it creates electrical impulses that communicate in some capacities to the rest of your body. Your body is, in a manner of speaking, similar to a machine. It doesn’t think. It doesn’t operate on its own. It has functions, just as a machine would have functions. And it has many different types of functions, one of which is to create feelings, but it is not generating its own instructions itself. Your brain doesn’t do that. Your brain is an electrical receptor and it creates electrical output that communicates, in a manner of speaking, through your nervous system in the same capacity that a machine would express different functions to different parts of itself, but it doesn’t think. It doesn’t operate itself. YOU operate it. You turn it on. You turn it off. You decide what to do with it and how to do. YOU give it all of the instructions. YOU are the one that is operating the machine that you inhabit while you are in physical focus. And it’s a highly effective machine. It’s an amazing machine actually, but it doesn’t function by itself.

But in that, it’s incorporated many, many years for all of you to accept the idea about thinking. Now we’ve been moving in several years of information about feeling, and even now there are many times, if I were to ask any one of you on the spot, “What are your feelings?” you might hedge. You might stumble and you might not say immediately, “Oh, they’re signals.” You might still say, “They’re a reaction to something that’s happening. They’re a communication to me.” You might give me many answers.

ANN: Okay, so feelings are signals and you just said that we create this stuff and then we keep doing it and doing it. Why are we in the habit of giving ourselves the same signal? Because we’re not receiving the message? Is that why we keep doing it? I receive messages, people!

KATHLEEN: But are we also antennas, in a manner of speaking? Like sort of receiving the collective expression or an energetic, universal energy that is part of us too, that we are in receipt of and are able to interpret and do stuff with?


KATHLEEN: So we don’t have to just stay focused on the physical element, because we’re not just physical.

ELIAS: You’re not JUST physical, you are correct. But it is important to pay attention to the physical aspect of you because it’s definitely a part of what you’re engaging. You are occupying a physical reality, and when you die and you’re not occupying a physical reality, then it won’t be important to you to pay attention to the physical expression. But you ARE in a physical reality. Yes, you are more than that and you definitely incorporate communications that are more than your body and more than what you are only communicating to yourself, because yes, you ARE interconnected and therefore you ARE receiving energy from other sources. And in that, it’s also a matter of understanding that you can be giving yourself information through other sources and you likely will generate a feeling about that, to alert you to what you are doing.

ANN: There was a formula, wasn’t there, that you gave? I think, I have a feeling, I really have a hard time figuring out what the signal is. But it probably shouldn’t be that hard.

JOHN: Oh, the bosses thing with the…

ANN: Yeah. Like what is the signal with like small parts…?

JOHN: With what?

ANN: I don’t know. How do I know what I’m doing? How do I know what the message is? (Group laughter) I am feeling lost, so I’ve giving myself the signal that I must not be paying attention. I don’t know. I don’t know how to do this, Elias. Help me.

ELIAS: It’s actually simple.

ANN: I know! I knew you were going to say that.

ELIAS: And what it is, is you identify what you’re feeling. Therefore, if you’re feeling lost, then you recognize that feeling and you ask yourself what is the statement? What am I doing that is creating that feeling of being lost? What am I doing? I might be not understanding what I’m listening to, or I might not be listening entirely, or I’m not being present and therefore I’m not assimilating what I am hearing. It’s a matter of paying attention to you. What are you doing in the moment that you’re not paying attention to? That’s why you have the signal. You have the signal to alert you: pay attention to what I am doing in this moment. What am I doing in this moment? What does that feeling mean to me? And therefore what am I doing that’s creating this signal to alert me? Because I’m not paying attention entirely. You might be paying some attention, but not entirely.

MARK: What happens if you can’t figure that out?

ANN: You’ll get another signal. (Group laughter)

MARK: Oh trust me, I know that.

ELIAS: He will. He will. I would say that that is also part of the reason, once again, why you don’t move faster than you are moving. Because it takes time to learn how to do what you’re doing now, in your current state of awareness. And that’s part of it, learning how to interpret and to listen. That first of all, I would say that one of the most important pieces is to simplify. The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.

That the more you complicate, when you have a feeling and you stop and you say to yourself, “What am I doing?” don’t immediately attempt to think of what trauma you’ve been experiencing or you experienced when you were young, or what cosmic aspect is affecting you, or what other energy is affecting you. What are YOU doing in the moment? Not what is anything or anyone else doing, or any other energy. What am I doing in this moment? It may be as simple as, what I’m doing in this moment is being too receptive. What I’m doing in this moment is I’m being too closed off. What I’m doing in this moment is pushing myself, because I want to get this done and I’m not getting it done. What I’m doing in this moment is I’m not paying attention to what I know I should be doing and I am not paying attention to it anyway, because I don’t want to.

MARK: I’d like you to address a comment that you made to me about your body, your self, will actually use the same signal over and over again for different topics.

ELIAS: It will. Not everyone does that, but most people do. That once you create something, some physical manifestation with your body, it’s easy. Your body doesn’t think. It reacts. Therefore once you create something physically, some physical manifestation with your body, it will likely use that same physical manifestation over and over again. And it doesn’t necessarily use it for the same reason, because—

MARK: That’s where it can kind of trip you up.

ELIAS: It doesn’t matter what the reason is to your body. Your body doesn’t care what the reason is. Your body is simply reacting to an energy: “You’re creating an uncomfortable energy. I’ll create this manifestation.” It’s a reaction.

MARK: So it doesn’t matter whether it’s like she was talking about, other energies or essence energies or… It’s always, “What am I doing?” It’s always “What am I doing?”

ELIAS: In relation to a feeling?

MARK: Yes.

ELIAS: Yes. And it doesn’t matter if it’s an emotional feeling or a physical feeling.

MARK: Got you. Thank you.

ELIAS: They’re all created by the body. This is a function of the body.

MARK: They’re created by me.

ELIAS: Yes, because you create your body.

ANN: Can I just ask a quick question about the physical feelings? I’ve been noticing lately it seems like my body has not felt entirely good in its whole, which is my new thing that I’m going to be playing around with. That is either my toe hurts, my wrist hurts, I break my rib. So it’s probably the same message, the same signal but now I’m doing it in different parts of my body, all over. Because I’ll fix, I’ll heal one thing and then… So and then it’s just a relaxation bit probably.

ELIAS: For you.

ANN: For me. Yeah, for me. Yeah. The relaxation. There’s parts, for the last, I don’t know, maybe several years, I’ve not big pain but just a part of my body is always hurting. And I’m like, I’m done with it. I just want to be done with it. And like Elias has said, if it’s not too big, sometimes you just brush it aside. So my thing, my new thing is I just listen to the little things. I’m just ready to feel good.

DENISE: So we’ve been talking about things we still are learning and changing, that are problems for us. Can you generalize something about our group here today that we are well accomplishing?

ELIAS: That you are well accomplished at?

DENISE: That we can credit ourselves with, regularly, to help just keep… Like for example, you know, to help when negative thoughts come up: “Oh no, I’m good at this.” (Inaudible)

ELIAS: (Pause) For all of you. (Group chatter as Elias pauses at length) It’s not necessarily a matter of a challenge, it’s a matter of accessing every one of you individually and then making the connection with each of you. Yes. Of what you all have in common as something that you can ALL credit yourself with, for the same thing.

MARK: Changing the weather! (Group chatter)

JOHN: We can go around the room, if it’s easier for you. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: That wasn’t, that wasn’t the question.

DENISE: Yes. We can go individually if it’s easier.

ELIAS: I would say the commonality for all of you is when something is occurring, you do all have a tendency – you don’t always do it, every time – but you do have a tendency to ask yourselves what you’re engaging, what, how are you affecting something or what are you participating with. You do, you do ask yourselves what YOUR participation is with something. That I would say is a commonality between all of you, that when something is happening outside of you, you do tend to question yourselves about your own participation: “I’m participating in this somehow. What is my participation in this?”

And I would say that that in itself is something to credit yourselves with, that you’re not simply throwing off, “This has nothing to do with me. This is someone else and they’re creating their reality and it has nothing to do with me.” Therefore, I would definitely credit you and encourage you all to credit yourselves with that you DO pay attention to what your participation is.

DENISE: And that’s recognizing interconnection as well.

ELIAS: Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And I would definitely encourage you to credit yourselves with that also.

LYNDA: That’s cool.

VERONICA: There’s something along with what you’re saying, Denise. I question myself, saying well how am I participating, what is going on within me for the reflection, but I don’t always find the cause, like what am I—

ELIAS: I understand. But at least you’re asking that question. And you should credit yourself with the fact that you are asking that question. That you are at least—

VERONICA: There should be more.

ELIAS: There will be. There will be.

DENISE: There will be. Even if we don’t translate the information immediately, we’re asking the questions.

ELIAS: Correct. Correct. Correct. Eventually you do assimilate that and you do give yourself answers. You might not always give yourself an answer or a satisfactory answer, but you do give yourself answers, and you do it more and more, because you are asking the question. And you ARE noticing your participation. You aren’t simply thinking that someone else is doing whatever they’re doing. You’re involved and you DO notice your participation. And that is something that you should credit yourself with. (Group applause)

Yes. And I would express to all of you tremendous, tremendous encouragement. And I would also express to all of you my exceptional love and affection to you each. I am continuously offering my energy to you and continuously expressing my friendship to each of you.

Until our next meeting, in wondrous, gloriousness of you all (chuckles), au revoir.

GROUP: Au revoir. Thank you.

(Elias departs after 1 hour and 14 minutes. Total session time was 2 hours and 17 minutes)


On Friday, May 20 the temperature that was forecast for the Saturday morning of the group session was 37°C [97°F]. The morning of the session, however, the forecast for North Hinsdale where the group session was held dropped by 10°C [18°F]. Elias confirmed again the next day in Session 202205222 that intentional magic had indeed created this change.

BONNIE: I want to know about the magic we did yesterday with the weather. Now, did we do that?

ELIAS: Yes, you did.

BONNIE: We lowered the temperature? I checked the forecast and it dropped ten degrees Celsius. We did that?

ELIAS: Yes, you did.

BONNIE: That’s awesome! (Elias laughs) I’m very impressed.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And can’t believe it.

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