Magic and Magical Expressions
Topics:
“Magic and Magical Expressions”
“Magical Intention: As Easy as That”
Friday, May 20, 2022 (Private)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Ann (Vivette) with Melissa (Leah)
ELIAS: Continuing. [1]
ANN: Magic! All right, now in the vein of just light-hearted fun, magic, teleporting. Let’s such (inaudible). So teleporting. The thing with magic is – which I think works, ironically – is obviously I don’t know quote-unquote “how to do it, how to make it happen,” so I just set the intention of things, send them out, and then I have to forget about it because that’s how I have to do it. (Elias chuckles) So, like the mechanics. I know, like driving a car, you don’t know the mechanics. Maybe I’ll never even need to know the mechanics of magic really, but it’s probably simpler than I think, too. Again, simple but not easy.
ELIAS: I would agree with that.
ANN: All right. So let’s go back to the teleporting. Like Melissa asks, she wants to teleport something and you say concentrate on… Oh! Oh my god. I just think I got it. Like when we were all talking about teleporting and Mary’s ring teleported. Concentrating upon, we’ve just got to focus on teleporting, talk about teleporting, play about teleporting, pretend we’re teleporting, practice teleporting. Like I could say oh! I just teleported the pen. (Laughs) Was that actually…? I think that’s helpful because one, it’s funny, it made the energy lighter.
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: And two, I mean it’s just like this game. So probably before this day is over, if we were going to concentrate on teleporting, something is going to teleport.
ELIAS: Likely so.
ANN: Yeah. See? Isn’t that fun?
MELISSA: Good. Okay.
ANN: So we just have to play around, and talk about teleporting.
MELISSA: Are we still at the stage where we shouldn’t be specific about what we’re teleporting? Or am I at that stage?
ELIAS: You can. You don’t have to. I would say that many times, you can be thinking about something specific and something else will do it. You’ll do it with something else, but you’re still doing it. It’s simply that you aren’t quite certain how you’re doing it. But you don’t actually have to know precisely how you’re doing it, just as you said. In that, I would say your concentration is the most important piece. That concentrating on that action of teleporting—
MELISSA: And it doesn’t… It just has to be for a moment? You don’t have to do it for very long?
ELIAS: Correct.
MELISSA: Okay.
ELIAS: Correct. But I would say that the more you concentrate on it, the more automatic it becomes. The more natural it becomes, because the more you concentrate on it, the more you believe it.
ANN: Yeah.
ELIAS: And that is what is significantly important, because what you believe, you trust.
ANN: Yeah. Which helps. Like that teleporting the Tupperware. Amazing. (Elias laughs) Like sometimes things happens that I know one hundred percent, they HAD to have happened. But somebody else, I can tell them and they could think of excuses. It’s not… You don’t have to do it for yourself, but… Oh. I don’t know if I told you about this. Maybe I did, but… So this is maybe six months, a year ago – I don’t know when it was, but there was no water at our house at Holden. And you turned and then it just like trickled down, and then we got the water. And it would work for just a little bit, but then it stopped. And then the people from the county came and they said it was frozen shut, that they had to go get something else to open it. I kid you not, I took a shower, with all this water pressure, all this hot water. And I told John. I said that’s magic. Of course, John didn’t believe me. He goes no, they got it wrong, it was probably frozen open. And I said then why would, why on the other faucets it’d just trickle, and I got a big huge shower? That was magic. (Elias chuckles) So, to me. Like even John, that experience, John is thinking of ways to you know or whatever, and I’m like nope. (Elias laughs) I think maybe that’s why magic also works better for me sometimes, because I’m willing to believe it.
ELIAS: I agree.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: It’s very similar to regeneration, where you just know that it’s natural to our body, then you can do it.
ANN: Yeah. Oh, let’s talk… I want to regenerate too, let’s talk about regeneration.
MELISSA: Well, I’m not always doing it. (Laughs)
ANN: That’s magic. (Elias laughs) No, it’s the same thing. So, same thing like with my wart. Oh! Which I was going to tell you. Okay, so—oh, you heard in my session. I was concentrating on getting rid of my wart, which means I was concentrating on—
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: — my wart, versus… So I’ve kind of shifted a little bit, just to whole, my whole body, all the skin, everywhere. The muscles, the tendons, everything. It just, they’re just healing, becoming flexible, strong, smooth. So I’m… Okay, that’s what I want to focus on, be very intentional.
MELISSA: No stress.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: (Holding up a stone) I reappeared this. I disappeared this and then reappeared this, correct? Yeah. And that, it was kind of magic because I thought I lost that.
ELIAS: That IS magic.
ANN: Yes! That’s magic.
ELIAS: I would say, I have recently expressed that to other individuals, that whenever you do that, whenever you disappear something and you reappear it, that is magic also.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: And it was semi-intentional, because there was a bigger rock, there was an obsidian that I wanted to take with me because it feels good, and I thought it would center me. But I’m like I’m not really going to take this big rock. And then as I’m like packing, this falls out of my suitcase. I’m like oh! (Laughs)
ANN: See? There you go.
MELISSA: Is that the same stone? Is it also obsidian? It is. Okay. Yeah, because I wanted it to help me center. So, good!
ELIAS: (Laughs) Congratulations.
ANN: I wouldn’t even call that semi-intentional. I’d call that intentional, because it was something that you wanted.
MELISSA: Yeah, that’s true.
ANN: So you had a want, you had a desire, and you gave it to yourself.
MELISSA: That’s true.
ANN: Magically. (Elias laughs) All right.
MELISSA: I’m good at reappearing, or I’m good at disappearing and reappearing things. (Laughs) A little talent. (Laughs)
ELIAS: And I would say that is excellent, giving yourself credit.
MELISSA: Okay. Thank you. (Elias chuckles)
ANN: (Sighs) I don’t know if I have any magic questions. (Elias laughs) (To Melissa) Do you? I feel like for me, it’s just a matter of practicing. I feel like I’m at that stage where I need to practice. No. No. No. I WANT to practice.
ELIAS: Yes.
MELISSA: For the kind of magic that like (inaudible) and I like to do, where it’s throughout our day – (to Ann) I think you’ve been doing it more than I am right now.
ANN: I wouldn’t necessarily say that.
MELISSA: But like is it something that… Is it a skill that we’re developing? I mean, is it going to get a little more complicated as we go? Or is it just about kind of setting your intention and… or just concentrating?
ELIAS: No. I would say it would likely be less complicated.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: That the more automatic it becomes, the more you concentrate and the more automatic you make it, the less complicated it is.
ANN: Okay, so I have a good question, one I’ve been wanting to ask for a while. (To Melissa) And you might be interested in this one, too.
So here again, and not comparing in a bad way, just comparing in a way to, you know, contrast and know differences. So, it’s very interesting to me that you, like with Karen’s group, you’re instructing them to teach and doing all this and it’s great. It’s great fun or whatever. But you never seem to move in that direction with us. I do not know why.
ELIAS: Because you’re not doing it.
ANN: What do you mean? Because we’re not doing what?
ELIAS: You’re not doing the same thing.
ANN: Yeah. What is the difference then?
ELIAS: They each have very specific directions of magic. They’re each developing very specific versions, let us say, of magic.
ANN: Oh. Become the masters of their trade.
ELIAS: And in that, that’s the reason that I’m instructing them and that they can then be instructing other individuals as their apprentices, because they have very specific methods.
ANN: But it seems to me from the very beginning, like you encouraged Turell. Like she didn’t come requesting it, you encouraged her in that direction.
ELIAS: Because she was already tapping into that.
ANN: Okay. So consciously?
ELIAS: No. She was tapping into it—
ANN: Oh, with the… Yeah, with the sigils, yeah.
ELIAS: Yes, and was presenting that to herself and wasn’t quite certain what it meant or what to do with it. And therefore, yes, I was encouraging her and giving her information and instructing her in relation to it. But have done very similarly with the other individuals in that group, because each one of them has a very specific type of magic that they’re doing, and specific methods.
What you do is very different. You’re not moving in a direction of one specific discipline. Each one of them are. And in that, as you have expressed yourself, you view all of life as being magic. And I have actually encouraged all of them to incorporate more of that mindset into their own individual disciplines, because they’re complicating their disciplines and making it more difficult than it has to be.
MELISSA: Look what I did, focusing on the outcome of the ritual. Yeah. Okay. But there’s a part of me that likes the idea of studying and practicing and all that.
ELIAS: And that’s fine. And that’s very similar to them also, that each one of them has a very specific direction and discipline with different types of magic and they like that also. They like the ritual. They like the discipline of it. And that’s why they’re doing it, and that’s why they do it in that manner, and they’re not the only ones that do that. And as I’ve expressed to each of them, I’ve encouraged them that there are many people that are very interested in magic and the different disciplines of magic and the ritual, such as yourself. That there are other people that they can teach their own discipline to. And in that, then they spread the expression of magic and it grows.
And not everyone moves in that direction, though. (To Ann) There are many people such as yourself. Michael moves in a similar direction to you also. Not as much as you do, but at times would be inclined to move more in that direction, in which there isn’t necessarily a draw to a specific discipline, so to speak. And—
MELISSA: Well, what’s the difference? So I see magic in everyday life, but it’s different from her because I do like some ritual? But I thought you were telling me that it wasn’t a natural flow for me, ritual, because I was focusing on the outcome.
ELIAS: That’s what’s not natural, is—
MELISSA: Oh. Okay.
ELIAS: Yes.
MELISSA: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: Not the factor that you’re interested in the ritual. That’s not what isn’t natural. It’s focusing on the outcome that is contrary. It doesn’t create a flow. And in that, that would be the reason that the ritual would be actually good, because it diverts your attention into the process instead.
MELISSA: Okay. Oh, okay. Thank you.
ANN: And what I have noticed through this whole process, which you know I like, is… especially I know you told me intermediates, we sometimes like to compare (Elias chuckles) and like I’ve always felt… I haven’t always felt, but sometimes I have felt, especially since getting into the Elias and all this information, it seems like so many people have done you know these crazy… or they have these special talents, whether they can talk to the dead, channel, da-da-da-da. And I always felt like I was like this plain Jane that doesn’t do anything. Which I don’t, because I have realized over the time I’ve done some pretty amazing things, so... But it’s just kind of like a place that I kind of went to. Like you know, you’re like the blond-headed character in The Munsters. Everybody is weird and then you’re like this quote-unquote “normal” one (Elias chuckles) with the weird ones. But I kind of know what I’m doing, the discounting. But what I love now with this is I am realizing, you know, I’m just doing what I like to do. Like this ritual, or like when I took Reiki, Reiki, when I did the Reiki, and you know you have to memorize these symbols and everything, I just wanted my own symbols. (Elias laughs) It’s like I just want to do whatever. I don’t… and that’s because I don’t enjoy that.
Oh, so my question is, because I do believe that you can do energy. Like let’s say all these Reiki symbols… Like aspirin. I take aspirin. It works because all the mass energy, so the aspirin works. And so when I create my own stuff and do my own stuff, which I’m going to continue doing because that’s just me, is it as powerful? I mean—
ELIAS: Definitely. Yes.
MELISSA: Yes.
ANN: Yeah. Okay.
MELISSA: But I like experimenting with rituals. I don’t want to do someone else’s ritual.
ANN: Yeah. Yeah.
MELISSA: I don’t want to learn someone else’s. That’s not interesting.
ANN: I mean, I realize like the important thing is focusing.
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: Yeah. And as I’ve been told sometimes about. (Elias chuckles)
MELISSA: That’s okay, right? That I like to create my own rituals?
ANN: That’s kind of similar to me.
ELIAS: Definitely.
MELISSA: Yeah. Okay.
ANN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Definitely.
ANN: Yeah. (To Melissa) I think we’re similar a lot like that. I think you like the… Like where we differ a bit, it’s not that I don’t like it, because I do like it, but I think you like it a lot more. And you go into the fantasy. Like just think about the fantasy literature like Game of Thrones, I could see you dressed up as them. Not… But you know, that kind of genre. You really get into that, and there would be ritual in that. I could see you with your candles and chalices and you know, beautiful things all around you and charms and just for the enjoyment of it. That’s just like an expression of who you are. But… So that way, I think that we are a little different, though I do appreciate that and I appreciate beauty big time. I love it and I love to be around beauty. But… I think I’m a little bit more into ease than you are.
MELISSA: Oh. Okay.
ANN: Maybe. I don’t know. I feel it probably—
MELISSA: (Inaudible) yeah, yeah.
ANN: Good, because I might not be saying it, but I do… But I think we’re similar in the way that we want to just do—
MELISSA: Yeah. You don’t need to like to a character or something, or (inaudible).
ANN: Yes. But I don’t think you need to, either. It just would be an enjoyment for you, right?
MELISSA: Mm-hm.
ANN: Yeah. No?
MELISSA: I feel that… perceiving my role of magical. I think of fantasy as that.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: Yeah.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: Yeah. (Laughs)
ANN: So I thought it was interesting that the… Oh. Maybe you guys answered it last night, with the aliens and the ETs. So the government, the U.S. government, has now announced that they’re doing an investigation. I don’t know if they’re doing a department or committee to investigate UFOs or something. It’s the first time in so many years. So I’m like oh, that’s kind of a good sign, that as the mass or just becoming more open. But then, it must be just for aliens, because haven’t you said that we won’t get to ETs until we’re able to leave our dimension? But it’s just… I mean, our solar, our solar system? Or our galaxy? Our solar system.
ELIAS: Solar system.
ANN: Oh, how close are we to that?
ELIAS: Relatively speaking, close. I would say that it’s definitely a possibility that within the next thirty years that you could actually do that.
ANN: Ooooh! I could be alive.
MELISSA: I know.
ANN: I’ll be old, unless I get this regeneration stuff going really good. (Elias chuckles) Which I—
ELIAS: You’ll still be old.
ANN: Right, but… (Elias laughs) Well, that’s okay. I don’t mind being old, as long as I’m functioning optimally. Optimal functioning.
ELIAS: Precisely.
ANN: Exactly. (Elias laughs) So I could enjoy life here.
ELIAS: Or perhaps you won’t be old, but you will be incorporating some age.
ANN: Yes.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Because old is somewhat of a relative idea.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: Hey, can you give me something for divination? I don’t know what to do with my talent for divination.
ELIAS: What do you want to do with it?
MELISSA: That’s the thing. I don’t—
ELIAS: What do you want to find? That’s what divination is. It’s finding things.
MELISSA: But I don’t really have an interest in finding things. I think it’s weird to have a talent for it.
ANN: That’s not true. Not that you don’t have a talent, but I think maybe if you’d expand your definition of finding things, you might… Like what about finding a partner?
MELISSA: That’s not the same. Is that the same? Oh! Is it really?
ELIAS: Divination is finding anything.
MELISSA: So that would be like a specific person I’m pulling into? Like—
ANN: Finding your partner.
ELIAS: It… It might be finding a certain type of person. It might not be finding one individual person, although you could hone the skill to be that specific. Because that’s the point, is that you are honing your own skill of divination and because of that, you are more and more, or you become more and more specific in relation to… More and more focused, more and more directed, and specific in relation to whatever it is that you’re finding.
MELISSA: Hm. So it’d be… It wouldn’t necessarily be like seeing the person, identifying them? Or it could be that, but it would be like having a sense of who’s the person is that… the type of person that I—
ELIAS: Divination also includes ritual.
MELISSA: Oh. Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore I would say that yes, that would be very natural for you because you do like ritual. And divination is one of those magic avenues that does include ritual. Generally speaking, it also includes tools.
ANN: Yeah! Like the divination tools.
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: To find water. Which work, by the way.
ELIAS: Yes, they do.
ANN: Oh my gosh. I used them. I was… This was even before—
ELIAS: Yes, they do.
ANN: Oh. Maybe you could use some divination tools.
MELISSA: Whatever tools are there? There’s the rod.
ELIAS: Divining rods are generally the most specific. Let me express it to you in this manner. You think of witches and wizards, and what do you think? That they have wands. They don’t necessarily, but you think that they do. You automatically associate that tool, a wand, with a wizard or a witch. Correct?
MELISSA: Mm-hm.
ELIAS: With an individual that naturally expresses divination, you do have a tool which is in a manner of speaking, a wand. It is a divining rod. And divining rods can be expressed differently. They’re not always the shape of what you think of with a water divining rod. But a divining rod of any sort can find anything as well as water. What a—
ANN: Yeah.
ELIAS: A divining rod that you would use for water, you could use for anything. For finding anything. The same tool is used for anything. And you can configure your own divining rod. Therefore, you can create the shape that fits you, that you feel comfortable with, which basically is a wand, but you can create whatever shape is comfortable for you.
MELISSA: I think for me it’d be like two, two rods and then there’d be a point at the end.
ELIAS: That’s typically, that is typically the shape that most people that engage divination, that’s typically the shape that they use, is two prongs that meet and then have a straight point. I would say also that in relation to divination, because it’s finding things, another avenue that individuals that naturally engage divination use is the art of reading tea leaves. That is an actual art, and it actually does work. It actually is successful. It is another tool that people that engage divination, that they use to help move them in a certain direction.
MELISSA: What kind of action would one see? Like a place, or a person, or…?
ELIAS: You can.
MELISSA: Either?
ELIAS: Yes.
MELISSA: Okay.
ELIAS: Anything that it can… What occurs is you see shapes in the tea leaves, and the shapes give you information.
MELISSA: Oh, I was doing that with leaves on the tree, like the reflection in the pool.
ANN: Oh! So you see. Oh, it’s a natural that you do, you little diviner you. (Melissa laughs)
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And I would say that that also, yes, anything that, that can create a reflection in a pattern can be used. But that’s the reason that most of them use the art of reading tea leaves, because it’s readily available and they can use it at any time. And you don’t have to enjoy tea to use that method.
ANN: Is that kind of like the same as tarot cards? The same principle of using, like you see the image on the tarot card and that inspires or brings up…? Yeah. It seems to me like all these… See, this is maybe why I don’t get into the rituals—
ELIAS: Except with something such as tarot, that’s more disciplined because the cards have meanings that the tarot master learns and uses. Yes, they use their intuition and they read energy through the focal point of the cards, but the cards have meanings themselves.
The tea leaves are entirely the interpretation of the reader, that they don’t have any intrinsic meaning or assigned meaning to them. It is entirely the interpretation of the reader.
MELISSA: Because discipline isn’t really my thing.
ELIAS: It’s not a discipline. And I understand.
ANN: So, would one…? This is a tricky question, I understand, and it’s kind of an (inaudible), it’s kind of a useless question, but I still want to ask it. (Elias chuckles) Again, sometimes I just want to ask you things because I’m curious how you’re going to answer them. So, is one more accurate than the other? The tea leaves reading or the tarot card? And I know it depends on so many things.
ELIAS: No.
ANN: Oh good! See? You surprised me.
ELIAS: I would say no. They’re very different.
ANN: But so one is not more accurate?
ELIAS: No.
ANN: Not necessarily. Okay.
ELIAS: No.
ANN: It would all depend on—
ELIAS: They are—
ANN: — the person reading them.
ELIAS: They are different. They’re different modalities, and yes, one requires more discipline than the other but no, one is not necessarily more accurate than the other. (Chuckles)
ANN: No, I wouldn’t have guessed that, actually. I wouldn’t have guessed that, but that makes sense. Oh my goodness. (Whispers to Elias) I had questions and then she left. She took my questions.
Okay, so let’s talk about magic. And my magic is natural magic, which to me is just this world. Anyhow, I’ll just tell you this, and I know it’s interesting because Jason got into the Neville Goddard, I think it’s this Neville guy, the Neville character. So I’ve been listening to him, and I thought oh my god. It is such-- He talks about these things, like pruning, like at night when you go to bed, reimagine your world the way you wanted it to be. Obviously yeah, I know that. But my question… I don’t really have a question with that.
Oh! I guess, what it really is, I know we’re not supposed to follow our feelings, but to create our feelings intentionally is how we create a lot of our reality. Is that correct? I mean, not… I know perception technically… Okay, see this is why it’s good to talk to Sumafi people, because you’ll correct me. But, but I’m thinking okay, you get yourself in a certain feeling, like when you say do my magic spell, smile when I do it. Because I’m feeling… the smile brings a certain feeling to my body, which is going to help the magic work. I mean—
ELIAS: It creates a different energy.
ANN: Oh, it’s the energy. So the energy…
ELIAS: It’s the energy. It’s not—
ANN: Okay. It’s not the feeling that you’re creating. The feeling is letting me know the energy that I am creating. So it creates a different energy. No? Ah! Okay. Let’s, let’s… (Elias chuckles) Tell me again. I’ll get it one day.
ELIAS: Very well.
ANN: Okay.
ELIAS: Feelings are not an indicator of what energy you are projecting. They can be, but they aren’t automatically and they aren’t unilaterally. Therefore they can be, if they are being intentionally created as you expressed. If you are intentionally creating a feeling, then you’re not generating a feeling to alert you to something that you’re not entirely aware of. Which is what the function of feelings is. But when you are intentionally creating a feeling, then you’re directing that and in that situation, then you can use that as an indicator of the energy that you are projecting, because you’re intentionally creating that feeling. That’s different.
But don’t think that concentrating on a certain feeling means that you’re projecting that kind of energy, because that might not be correct.
ANN: Okay, so this, so I intentionally want to project a certain type of energy. So obviously we just said that feeling could be one way. What’s another way I could intentionally choose another energy and project it? Let’s pick it. What if I…? Oh, actually how do you describe different types of energy? Think about that. Like happy energy, sad energy, that’s all feelings. How do I…? What the HELL…?
ELIAS: It is an intention. You don’t necessarily include a feeling with an intention.
ANN: So how do I…? I could put my intention out. I… let’s incorporate magic in this. I intend to teleport. I want to project the energy of teleportation. That’s kind of… Okay.
ELIAS: That’s not a feeling.
ANN: I know. Okay. So well let’s do this. I project energy. So to project an energy of my choosing, I can do it, probably the strongest way to do it is with intention? Intention. Maybe it is just as easy as that.
ELIAS: It is.
ANN: Oh my god. I just intend it. And then I stop myself if I don’t believe it. Okay, so we can intend things, and then we stop ourselves—
ELIAS: Yes.
Now; what I would say is, you can practice by focusing your attention on you and your energy.
Now; in that, some people would interpret that as feeling their energy. Some people don’t. It’s a matter of focusing on your energy, what you recognize as your energy. Can you identify your own energy?
ANN: I’m thinking that’s what I… That’s my next step. Obviously I can identify the energy in my body. I feel it. You can feel it. But past it…
ELIAS: You don’t have to be past it.
ANN: Oh! So that’s it?
ELIAS: You can—
ANN: Just my body energy? Oh.
ELIAS: Which is what I expressed. Some people are aware of their energy by feeling it. Some people are aware of their energy in other manners. Some people sense it. Some people visualize it. It’s different for each individual. But working with that, what you are expressing, that you are aware of your energy because you can feel it in your body, that’s one manner of being aware of your own energy.
Now; in that, you focus on that energy and then you begin to push it. Push it out from your body. Push it out and away from your body. Focus on that energy and then focus on pushing out. Very similar to breathing. And you can even use breathing—
ANN: In your hands.
ELIAS: — as a method. Yes, you can even use breathing as a method to push out that energy. Focus your energy coming up through your body, up and out and push. Yes. Yes. And push. Push in a direction. You’re pushing your energy in a particular direction. The direction is what you want to do. Therefore, you are pushing the energy out (Ann laughs loudly).
Now; what I would say is you can practice this with each other. Don’t do it at the exact same time. But you can do it with each other. Don’t make a sound.
ANN: Not even a “whoo.”
ELIAS: Right. Don’t make a sound. And the other one close their eyes.
ANN: Oh. Oh.
ELIAS: And then, in that, the other individual feel. You can actually feel energy as a physical touch or a push. That you can feel that push or that touch against your actual physical body.
MELISSA: I do that from ghosts. (Laughs) That’s for sure.
ANN: Yeah. You’re very good with that already. I have to practice on you. I’ll mess with you, girl.
MELISSA: Yeah, sure.
ELIAS: Or you can be in different rooms. Or you can be directly next to each other when you’re aware that the other person isn’t paying attention. And you can push an energy towards them—
ANN: Okay. So that was very similar when—
ELIAS: — for them to react to and feel—
MELISSA: Okay.
ELIAS: — the push.
MELISSA: I think we can do that.
ANN: Oh yeah. Okay. So I think maybe… Back to that teleporting the Tupperware, and we were so excited when, and then Denise thought that it was Jean, and then I texted her and had no response, so Denise and I start to like, “We were pushing energy towards Jean then! That’s what we did.” And then (inaudible) and then she checked her phone. So that was the pushing of the energy. Well, sometimes I do know that, because you think of somebody.
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: Like I know you can think about, like I know if I start thinking about someone I know, they’re going to start thinking about me. And is that because I’m thinking about them? Because thoughts don’t do it. It’s because I’m pushing my energy towards them.
ELIAS: Correct. Correct.
MELISSA: Oh, this is so interesting.
ELIAS: And you can do it with your energy field. You can be aware of the energy field around you and you can push that.
ANN: You know one time, Elias, I was watching this show many years ago. I don’t even remember what it was about, but it was a documentary or something, and it was about… maybe it was a child and you didn’t know if they were going to live or die. And it was weird. I had this feeling, like I know you can’t necessarily will something, but I was like, they’re going to live. And I felt I was just… I felt like I created them living. I’ve always wondered about that.
ELIAS: Participated.
ANN: I just thought, it felt like… I can’t do it all the time, but sometimes I feel like the sheer will, my sheer willing can make something happen.
ELIAS: And it can. That is what I have expressed to all of you in relation to determination. That’s what I (inaudible) When you are determined, you push an energy out and you make things happen.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: We both have determination.
ANN: We do. (Inaudible) (Elias laughs) Now the key is, to use it. To use this stuff for what we want. Okay. So I notice you’ve been telling a lot of people this, about this pushing the energy. Which I take as a good sign that we’re kind of ready. We’re ready for this next step in our awareness of our energy and what our energy is doing.
MELISSA: So, should I listen to more sessions? I haven’t been listening to many sessions lately. Or does it not matter?
ELIAS: I would say it doesn’t matter. I would say that when you are interested and ready, you will.
MELISSA: Okay.
ELIAS: And when you’re not, you won’t.
MELISSA: Okay.
ANN: Make it simple. Keep it simple. KIS! Keep it simple. (Inaudible) (Elias laughs) So how do you…? I know you say you don’t read minds. You read energy. And okay, so when you’re in Mary’s body, do you have access to Mary’s feelings? Do you have access to feelings when you’re in Mary’s body?
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: So when you’re reading our energy right now, are you using feelings or visually looking at it? Are you using her senses, first of all?
ELIAS: Not for the most part. To a slight degree, yes.
ANN: So how are you reading our energy? Just because you’re part of us?
ELIAS: That, and—
ANN: Or you are us?
ELIAS: That and it’s a matter of reading the energy, or being aware of the energy that you are expressing and projecting. It’s much more efficient and accurate than what you’re thinking or what you’re saying.
MELISSA: (Laughs) I bet.
ANN: Okay, so can you just—
ELIAS: As what you say, you aren’t actually thinking about what you’re speaking. They are very few people that do that. Azure is one of them, but it’s very rare. That most people are not thinking at the same time that they’re speaking. And therefore, you’re not always using the words that you want to use.
ANN: For me, very often.
ELIAS: Now; that doesn’t mean that the words that you are using are an accident. They are not. They’re some part of you, because you’re not thinking the words before you say them. You’re speaking. It would be very inefficient for most of you to be thinking while you’re speaking, because it takes much longer to speak. Therefore, in that, sometimes when you speak you use words that then later, and it may only be a moment later, you are expressing you didn’t intend that word. You didn’t mean to say what you said. And in that, that is correct, that you likely didn’t intend to use a particular word. But then, it’s also not an accident—
ANN: Because there are no accidents.
ELIAS: There’s some part of you that expressed that, and it wasn’t an accident. And in that, this is the reason that at times I might seem to correct an individual. I’m not actually correcting them, because what they said wasn’t an accident. I might be, in a manner of speaking, jokingly correcting them because there isn’t a judgment in relation to that. But I am aware of their energy and what is being expressed in their energy, and therefore when you, in your terms, misspeak, there is something that matches what you misspoke to the energy that you are expressing. Your energy is much clearer and much more accurate than what you think or what you speak.
ANN: So can you, and if you… (To Melissa) I’m going to say it for you too, but obviously, if you want. But can you read our energy? Like read my energy and read her energy? And what I guess I would be looking for is maybe something that I’m not aware of that you can read. Or are you aware of what I’m aware of and what I’m not aware of? Okay, so read my energy, if you like, of something—
ELIAS: In this present moment.
ANN: Oh, in this exact moment, right here, of something that I might not be aware of, that you can read in my energy. I can take it.
ELIAS: (Pause) Very well. I would say that in this moment, one expression that you’re not entirely aware of is not being entirely relaxed or comfortable. And that’s the reason that you’re holding the dog.
ANN: Oh, interesting.
ELIAS: And that’s the reason that you are not simply holding the dog, but you are moving with it to derive that comfort.
ANN: And I’m not 100% comfortable, one because maybe I think I’m not going to ask the right questions or I’m not going to like do, that I’m going to do something wrong or—
ELIAS: I would say that it’s—
ANN: Or my ribs.
ELIAS: That’s part of it. I would say that it’s very common. Most people are not entirely comfortable in my presence.
MELISSA: Oh.
ANN: It’s been a while, I think, since I have been entirely comfortable.
ELIAS: I would agree.
ANN: That’s my new… If I have to have a goal, that’s my goal.
MELISSA: So, what about for me? Like the tightness in my chest and stuff, I’m aware of it, so it might shield me from energy (inaudible)?
ELIAS: No. I would say no, you’re not shielding, but you’re not entirely present either.
MELISSA: Is that what I feel? That? Really? Oh.
ELIAS: I would say there is a part of that’s projecting in relation to another individual.
MELISSA: Yeah, okay. (Laughs)
ANN: Whoa!
MELISSA: All right. Why would I feel that tightness in my chest, though?
ELIAS: I’d say because you’re not entirely comfortable with that, and that it’s something that you don’t feel… You don’t feel entirely comfortable with it because you don’t feel that it is appropriate.
ANN: Ah!
MELISSA: Or beneficial.
ELIAS: Um, I wouldn’t necessarily say beneficial, because you’re not actually making an association in that direction. You’re simply making an association that it’s not entirely appropriate. You should be being more present.
MELISSA: Oh, that’s the association? That’s why it’s not appropriate? Oh. Oh! My god, that’s so much. I could not get that on my own. (Laughs)
ANN: Well, we asked for something we weren’t aware of, so there you go. (Elias chuckles)
MELISSA: I don’t think it’s appropriate to not be present. Oh my god.
ELIAS: Only at times. NOW, where you are, in the company of the people that you are, that you should be being present.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: And appreciating—
ANN: No judgment. No judgment. Yeah.
MELISSA: Okay.
ANN: For my, well, especially for Elias. (Elias laughs) I might not have reached that no judgment stage yet, but I’m getting there. (Elias laughs) Oh and covid helped. Believe me, it really did help. But that’s in my other session. Okay. (Elias laughs) All right. Focus that on magic. You’re doing your divination.
ELIAS: What shall you create as your divination rod?
MELISSA: Oh, as my rod? Um, I can choose any kid of material?
ELIAS: You can choose any kind of material, yes. I would suggest a natural material is easier. It will allow you to be successful more easily. Something that is not a natural material, such as plastic or resin, there’s more of a… a dullness to those materials.
MELISSA: I wouldn’t want to use plastic. Yeah.
ELIAS: But a more natural material is more effective.
MELISSA: Okay, so what comes to mind is some wood, some natural wood, and then a stone or crystal on top. But then I’m like, but I wouldn’t know how to make it seem less… And it would be really shoddy looking, and so… I don’t know.
ANN: Unless you found a stick that had a natural angle in it, and then put a stone on it?
ELIAS: You could do that.
ANN: Oh, we can magic you up a stick! We’re going to find a stick. Let’s do that. That would be fun. Let’s magic up your perfect stick. Then you want an angle on it, right? Is that right?
MELISSA: Then there’s pressure. I feel like—
ANN: No, no, no, no, no! Then you take the pressure off. I’ll find it for you. Then you don’t have to worry about it.
MELISSA: That’s nice. Okay.
ANN: Okay.
MELISSA: Thanks.
ANN: And I don’t care if I find it or not, so there’s no pressure on me.
MELISSA: Okay, good. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: And I would say, it wouldn’t be very difficult because you are surrounded by trees—
ANN: Yeah.
ELIAS: — and branches of trees naturally move in that direction.
MELISSA: Yeah. Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, it should be very easy for you to find something. I would suggest that you simply look at different branches and decide which one you like the most.
ANN: Which one you’re drawn to.
MELISSA: All right. That sounds fun.
ANN: Wow. And easy.
MELISSA: And easy.
ANN: Okay, so I want to just speak out kudos to myself about trusting myself, and what I need or what. So, interesting, like you know, the comfort, and I feel like I need comfort, long time. And it’s like my little (inaudible) character that I put some healing energy in. I mean it almost makes me want to cry, like I’ve been carrying this stuffed animal around and it’s offering me… for whatever reason, I’m getting comfort from it, as my intention. How smart was that of me? I needed comfort and I offered myself comfort.
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: See? We trust things that we want. People could make fun of me for carrying a stuffed animal, but like it feels good. I want this stuffed animal.
MELISSA: I wouldn’t make fun of you.
ANN: Thank you. (Elias chuckles)
MELISSA: I would acknowledge myself for… I’m definitely tapping into energy more, I’m feeling.
ELIAS: I agree.
MELISSA: Yeah.
ELIAS: I would definitely agree.
ANN: I felt a difference in her, last night at dinner. She just seemed a lot lighter, and a whole different. Like more sure of yourself, or more… I’m not even sure if you’re… You’re just, just more relaxed and being yourself, it felt like, than ever before that I’ve met with you. (Melissa laughs) I thought it was very interesting.
MELISSA: Oh, nice.
ANN: I’m observing you.
MELISSA: Yeah. I feel like I’m—
ANN: You weren’t doubting yourself as much. That maybe is what I was picking up on. Because you doubt… in the past, you’ve doubt… put a lot of doubt out. And I think maybe that’s what I was picking up on, your lack of doubting of yourself.
MELISSA: Oh, okay. Yeah, because I can… I am doubting myself in this session, I think.
ANN: But last night you weren’t.
MELISSA: No. Yeah. I don’t know why. I think I’m just, it’s like integrating into, with people more, and feeling more relaxed. Yeah. What’s the difference with this? I don’t know. Because you’re here? (Laughs) Yeah, okay. I’ll be aware of that. (Elias chuckles)
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ANN: Okay, so can Groot help me do magic too?
ELIAS: Yes.
MELISSA: (Inaudible)
ANN: If Groot can help me do magic. Groot is very special, and I think Groot is very special because I am imbuing that energy into him.
ELIAS: Yes, you are.
ANN: Yeah.
MELISSA: Who’s Groot? Is that a real person?
ANN: Oh, my god! (Inaudible) I’ll let you know.
MELISSA: I love Groot.
ANN: Okay, well there’s our bell. Elias, thank you so much.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. And I will be anticipating our next meeting.
MELISSA: Don’t call on me, because I don’t have anything to bring to the table tomorrow.
ANN: Oh, call on me, Elias. I’ll bring it all.
ELIAS: We shall see.
MELISSA: Okay. (Laughs)
ANN: Ooh! (Elias chuckles) You know, the person who says don’t call on me or who volunteers the other person is always the one that gets called on. (Elias laughs)
MELISSA: Oh no.
ANN: That is like Life 101. (Group laughter)
ELIAS: I agree.
ANN: Because you’re concentrating on being called on.
MELISSA: Thank you, Elias.
ANN: We love you so much.
ELIAS: In great affection and love to both of you. And I express tremendous encouragement, and I shall be offering my energy in comfort to each of you.
ANN: Thank you.
ELIAS: In tremendous friendship as always, au revoir.
ANN: Au revoir.
[1] This is the second session of two separate back to back sessions.
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