Monday, April 25, 2022 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Levi

ELIAS: Good evening!

LEVI: G’day! It’s Levi here. Nice to chat with you. Perhaps I should say I’ve been listening to what you teach for the last thirty years, so I’ve got a lot of questions here.

ELIAS: And how shall you and I begin, my friend?

LEVI: Good. I’ve got a lot of questions here. I’ve got them written on the computer and I’m looking at the computer here now, so I’d like to go through quite a lot of subjects. What I noticed is that over the years I’ve always dreamt of asking these philosophical questions about the nature of reality, but now that I’m speaking to you, I actually simply want to ask you about various experiences that I’ve had that are unofficial-type experiences.

ELIAS: Very well.

LEVI: Okay. So I’ll start with an experience that I had that appears to be some kind of sudden awakening when I was a child, about two and a half. I can only guess that time, because I know that I couldn’t speak. But I had a range of experiences at a place called Moonta (which is a place about a hundred kilometers away from Adelaide here) and most of them are filled with considerable fear, dread and some sort of knowledge or feeling that… I seemed to be aware that… I was aware this was a very strange place. I was aware that I was in an environment – and I’m referring to earth itself – and it was a huge shock to me. So, there was a range of experiences and I’d like to ask questions about that. (Pause) So, you still there?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: So maybe you can tell me what age I was. One of the experiences was – and I did happen to have an experience about twenty years ago of remembering this time, and had some experiences again – so as I said, there were some extremely frightening experiences. I remember I walked away from the shack that I was at, down… down stairs down to the beach. So it was a good hundreds of yards away for a small kid. And I stood on the beach, I sat on the beach and watched the waves come in, and literally thought to myself with a considerable amount of fear, “Where am I?” And so the “Where am I?” was not at all that I‘m at a location called Moonta, but literally I was asking, “What is this place, earth?” So can you say anything about that?

ELIAS: And do you have any impressions?

LEVI: Yep, I do have impressions. There were other experiences. There was another experience, to speak about my impression, where I was in the room in the same location – it would have been about the same time – where I was awakening. I felt like I was awakening, and I felt like the whole thing was extremely sudden to me. And I noticed the excitement about my parents, and they were talking about a fish they had caught. And so, I’m still going to my impressions, and I felt at the time that they were speaking disrespectfully about the fish, even though it was dead. And there came a moment where I went to open my mouth to put them right about the sanctity of life if you want, even though the fish was dead, to make the statement, “I understand the fish is dead, but there’s still a good thing, if you want, to respect the fish.”

And I noticed that the philosophies that I was operating on were extremely similar to the American Red Indian [1]. And of course, I didn’t know anything about that. So my impression is that (sighs) it’s like earth living was a sudden shock to me, as if to say I had been involved in other realities. And also, I wanted to know where I am, and who I was, who I was in reference to where I was. So that’s my impression, that I was very seriously confused.

ELIAS: I would agree. And I would say to you that this is somewhat of an unusual experience. It is unusual—

LEVI: May I interject? I am very happy and I feel healed that you say that. And this is to speak of the usualness, because I can’t speak to anyone about this, because I refer to myself as highly-evolved, if you want, highly conscious of myself. And so yeah, if you may, speak to this point about unusualness.

ELIAS: It IS very unusual, because in that what I would say is, coming into this focus what you did was you were somewhat carrying the memory of other focuses that you had in this reality. And that’s unusual to do that objectively. Let me say to you, how highly unusual it is, is that, what I could, in a manner of speaking, compare this to would be the experience of what individuals have in relation to the Dalai Lama.

Now; in that, if you are aware, when the Dalai Lama disengages or dies, there is a period of time in which the monks that follow the Dalai Lama and that are in close proximity and relationship to him, they set out to find what they perceive and what they term and define as the reincarnation of—

LEVI: Yes, I’m aware of all this, Mary. Sorry. Elias, yes.

ELIAS: Yes. Now; in that, the individual, the youngling that they eventually find – and they search with many, many, many individuals. They are very, very thorough in relation to this process. But what is consistent with each of these younglings that actually are what they define as the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama is that they also have these types of experiences. That what they do is, they carry the memory of other lifetimes, of other focuses with them objectively.

Every one holds all of the memories of all of their experiences of all of their focuses within their body consciousness, but that doesn’t mean that they are actually easily accessible. For most people they aren’t accessible at all. And—

LEVI: So interjection here. These people that you refer to, would they be having horrifying, - now I’ll stress that, it was a horrifying, highly—

ELIAS: It depends.

LEVI: — highly disturbing experience, not just one but many, highly alone experiences. Do these people have their memory come, well the event of trying to have memory or having memory, in such a horrific way?

ELIAS: It depends.

LEVI: Yes.

ELIAS: Some of them at some times may have some, but then the difference is, is that these younglings are of the same essence, and therefore their experiences are that they are in the care and the shelter of the monks from very young ages.

Now—

LEVI: Oh, so it’s – interjection again.

ELIAS: — in that, yes, sometimes they DO have traumatic experiences and memories, because of being taken into the custody of the monks at very young ages. And therefore, they aren’t entirely separated from their mother, but they are separated from their family. And in that, many times they do have some experiences that they remember that are confusing to them, because it may not be that they are remembering their experience now, in this lifetime, but they may be experiencing the memory of what they think of as former lifetime, and that it can be very disturbing and disorientating and confusing.

LEVI: So, is their experience confusing as they remember their experience, or the actual experiences they have are also confusing?

ELIAS: Repeat.

LEVI: Is their memory or their analysis of their experience confusing, or is the actual experience confusing? Because I’m expressing that my actual experience was profoundly confusing. Well confusing, alone, or stressed, or…

ELIAS: Yes. Yes, because they are experiencing it as if it were now.

LEVI: Yeah.

ELIAS: But it doesn’t—

LEVI: So, allow me to—

ELIAS: They are experiencing it the same, but it doesn’t fit in the reality that they are in, in the moment. Therefore—

LEVI: Yes. I’ve said to people, the few people that I’ve spoken to, that how would you like it if you went to sleep, you went to sleep with your wife, and then you woke up in the morning with another person? How would you like that!? And I’m trying to stress how it actually felt to me. Can you comment on that?

ELIAS: Correct. Correct.

LEVI: So I looked at—

ELIAS: I would say that that’s an accurate analogy.

LEVI: So, I looked at my parents at that time as if they were fellow campers with me. Does that make sense to you?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: Now it wasn’t looking down to them. What about this experience where I went to open my mouth to teach them, to actually teach them about the sanctity of life even though the fish was dead, and I was very aware that the fish was dead and I was very aware that I was still wanting to speak about the sanctity of life for this fish, and I went to open my mouth – I think I’ve said this a few minutes ago – and I was virtually going to lecture them about the spirituality, and then I discovered that I couldn’t speak. And I was profoundly put in my place, and profoundly saddened and horrified that I was in this situation.

ELIAS: Which is also another factor, is that your awareness doesn’t match your age and experience.

LEVI: That’s right. That’s exactly right. Now there’s been a few times where I’ve listened to you Elias, and you speak about children. And then I might say to myself, “No, but I attribute children as having…” so I might have a little bit of disagreement, which is not often, listening to you. And so I might think, “No. Children can have just the same sorts of awarenesses that adults could have.”

ELIAS: Oh, very much so. Very much so. But that varies.

Now; there are – what you’re expressing and what you’re describing is a very, very unusual experience. For a child to be objectively aware in THAT capacity is very unusual.

But I would say that it is also not unusual for a child to have an awareness that exceeds their age and their ability to communicate, in relation to that awareness. But I am also, as I have expressed previously, younglings also are more open, generally speaking. There are exceptions to that also, in which they may not be, but generally speaking most of them are much more open, and therefore engage more experiences in relations to other energies than people do as they become older and more developed. But I would say that the experience that you’re expressing is highly usual and very rare.

LEVI: Okay. Elias, you have spoken about me in reference to people like the Dalai Lama in what we consider as “enlightened people.” And let’s keep this, allow me to keep the definition of that away as it could be quite egotistical, but these people that you refer to, they had the opportunity to fulfill their interest in spirituality. And as I see it, you know I had parents that weren’t interested in that and as I said, even if they were, I couldn’t express. I wanted to express spiritual notions to them, without even knowing how to speak. And I feel that… First of all, I feel that this experience has disturbed me in my whole life and I’m now sixty-five. So we’re talking sixty-two years ago.

And I feel there were moments there. There was another experience where I felt like I was being told off, and I walked into my room and I had an awareness of towering energy well above me, six foot high. And I was searching for again my reincarnation self, I think it would have been the kind of thing that I assess now and you would say focus. But I feel that there is a disturbance in my, the energies that relate to the head and transcendent energies from this, that I’ve initially had this massive fear with the energy type of a child. And it’s been very difficult for me to work it all out.

ELIAS: I understand. Let me—

LEVI: So why would I be lumped in with these Dalai Lama-type people? Well I’m just a bod, you know, I’m just a person that’s not experienced a lifestyle and people with support about this.

ELIAS: I’m not expressing to you the type of comparison of the Dalai Lama in relation to the experience that he has in his spirituality, because that is a very different situation. Not entirely different initially, because generally speaking the parents of the new Dalai Lama are not tremendously spiritual individuals.

LEVI: Hm. So it’s not different in that sense?

ELIAS: This is the reason that – this is one of the reasons – that the monks choose to remove the child and take the child to the monastery and raise the child in relation to that spirituality.

LEVI: Yeah. In their interest.

ELIAS: But that the parents—

LEVI: But my question, why would I choose, what’s in my personality to choose to have those kinds of experiences, but then to choose in my lifetime to not have the support? I mean that’s the thing that the strained and the loneliness, or aloneness… So, I’m wanting you to speak about that.

ELIAS: I would say… First of all, let me express to you that you choose to be manifest in a certain manner but, that doesn’t mean that you have foreknowledge of your entire life.

LEVI: So, is there some sort of reconfiguring of my energies, let’s say that relate to higher energies, because of this experience?

ELIAS: There could be, but that is dependent upon you.

LEVI: Yep.

ELIAS: But—

LEVI: May I go to another aspect of this experience? So, twenty years ago I was remembering this experience, and I felt that, you know, I was definitely picking up on the vibe if you want of the whole thing and it felt very real. And I looked to the side and then there was something on the wall. It was about two or three meters in size, and it was a face. And I hadn’t seen it when I was a child in the same room. And by the way, about this time there was a certain light in the room, and again this relates to this idea that I didn’t know where I was in regards to being on earth or physical. And so, everything felt like continual dusk and dawn. And over to the wall in my memory, twenty years ago, was this face. And in thinking about this face afterwards, it comprised itself of the stars and the moons and it made a face up. And it was looking at me and it was extremely compassionate. And I suppose I think of this creature as some sort of creature from another dimension, or even this one, that had as if “dropped me off,” and it was interested in me and very, very nurturing. So what is this all? And can you speak about this, please?

ELIAS: I would say that was imagery that you expressed to yourself in relation to yourself as essence.

LEVI: Yeah.

ELIAS: That’s how you imaged that to yourself.

LEVI: And so the idea of an alien is all just attempts to try to understand that I’m looking at my own essence or deeper side or compassionate side?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

LEVI: Okay. May I go to another question then please? Similar. As I said, most of my questions are going to be about esoteric, unofficial experiences.

ELIAS: Definitely.

LEVI: About ten years ago I woke up (maybe less, seven years ago) I woke up, three o’clock in the morning, and I saw this light going across the sky. And it was going in the right direction, and then it moved in a trajectory and it made me think, “No. No satellite could move in that trajectory.” So I got up and I walked outside, and I was literally standing there looking at this craft, this… what would be a space craft. And I likened to be looking like a chandelier, a massive chandelier. There was no noise. I was a little bit stunned and I just simply looked at it for several minutes. It moved off and then moved out into outer space.

And then as I reflect on it the next day in what I might call a psychic manner, I’m thinking things like this – and if you can respond to these assessments? That it was, it was an alien but not of this reality. It seemed to be able to look at the entire city and understand all the psychic people in it and where they were at. So therefore, keep itself quite quiet. And I think to myself as I was looking at this, “If someone was next to me, they would have to either join in with me, they may or may not see it.” And when I was looking at it, I was quite aware that I was looking at my own vision, my own projection, but at the same time looking at… I was looking at energy I believe. Yeah. So, if you can speak to this experience?

ELIAS: I would say that I would be very acknowledging of you, in how accurate you have
been in assessing that. You’re correct, it is an experience of observing an expression and an energy from another dimension.

LEVI: And so, here’s the thing I’m probably wanting to know. Is it another creature? Are other creatures…? If it was another creature, what was their motivation?

ELIAS: Curiosity.

LEVI: Oh! That makes a lot of sense. So simple. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And why would they be curious?

ELIAS: Why wouldn’t they be curious!? If you had the ability at any given point – which you do, but you don’t know that you do – if you had the ability to be exploring briefly another dimension, would you do it simply out of curiosity?

LEVI: Yep, and that’s, Elias that’s exactly what I feel. Like it’s slightly enjoyable to them.

ELIAS: Yes

LEVI: Is it them! Is it plural?

ELIAS: And exciting!

LEVI: Sorry? Say that again?

ELIAS: And exciting.

LEVI: To them it was. To me it was more mysterious.

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: So, is it more than one creature?

ELIAS: Oh definitely. Many

LEVI: And are they grouped together from the same reality?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And is it a reality that belongs to the physical world?

ELIAS: Yes

LEVI: So, these creatures actually do belong to the physical, they live in a physical planet if you want, somewhere?

ELIAS: Yes, but not in your dimension.

LEVI: Oh, okay. And so, and they’re skilled at going into another dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And so, you’re saying, they’re simply interested in someone that might be interested in them. Is that the way to put it?

ELIAS: Not so much that, but more simply interested in exploring on their own. They’re not as much interested in whether you’re interested in them.

LEVI: Yes. Yep, that feels right. But they would be happy nonetheless to speak if you want, or to communicate, correct?

ELIAS: Sometimes. They’re wary, because I would say that they observe your reality and it doesn’t always to appear to them to be friendly or welcoming. Therefore, at times they might be curious in that manner to somewhat want to interact, but they’re very wary and therefore they’re less likely to be interactive.

LEVI: So that explains why the next day I was able to reason, if you want, that they seemed to be able to look at the entire city, know who’s looking at them or who would be tending to potentially see them, and they seemed to be interested in only presenting themselves to whoever they want. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And they actually have the ability to do that? Which I’m referring to as their psychic ability.

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: So they’re able to be psychic with a whole million people in a city?

ELIAS: They can.

LEVI: Wow! All right, another experience. When my mother was dying, I went to walk into the room, and again I had an assessment the next day about this. And I had these imageries of creatures, and they were like dogs, skinny dogs that were literally lapping at her or eating, as if eating her body and as if absorbing pain. And she was in my sense of it, she was aware of that. And when I walked into the room they were a little bit scared of me, it felt like, and they simply walked or jumped through the wall. Can you speak to that please, and to her knowledge of this?

ELIAS: I would say first of all, that is your imagery.

LEVI: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, it’s your interpretation.

LEVI: Yes.

ELIAS: But I would say that yes – her imagery was different – but that this was a situation of her presenting to herself being aware of the expanded energy of her own essence and in that, having that awareness that in relation to that expanded awareness, that expression of essence, that it does take away discomfort and pain. And while an individual is in a manner of speaking preparing for disengaging or death, they actually do experience a comfort and the lack physical discomfort.

LEVI: Okay, so it’s not that… I’m aware that what I said about the dogs in an imagery, I’m aware of that. And I’m, I think, judging, comparing to what you’re saying, I’m looking at it from a negative point of view that they were absorbing pain and taking it away as if to eat it, and you’re saying that no, she’s just simply sensing a greater part of herself and the pain is being addressed in that way. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

LEVI: And why did the creatures seem to be, the dogs if you want, that’s my imagery, they seemed to be a little bit frightened of me. Why? Is that correct? And why?

ELIAS: I would say no, it wasn’t frightened. But what I would say once again is this is YOUR imagery, my friend.

LEVI: Yes.

ELIAS: And therefore in that, what you were presenting to yourself was an image that appeared as if they were afraid of you.

LEVI: Yes.

ELIAS: But I would say that that was based on your interpretation of entering into a situation in which it appeared to be somewhat of an intimate moment. And in that, this is simply how you interpreted that, that you had interrupted.

LEVI: Yes. I was going to say if I put a positive spin on it, is that I interrupted her, if you want, concentration or focus on what she was doing. Is that correct?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

LEVI: Ah. Another question about my dad who was dying, then. I happened to be holding his hand and I happened to have my other hand up, sensing his energy, and I was doing that deliberately. And I also felt that I wasn’t in a good physical space to be able to notice lots of energy. And at one point, the energy radically changed. This is, say, ten minutes or fifteen minutes before he died. It radically changed and I started thinking things, and I was aware that it could be wrong: “Has he decided not to die?” And in fact, I would be thinking a philosophy that you talk about, that you choose your death, and so I started thinking thoughts like, “Has he decided not to die?” Because his energy, the energy in the room was very, very strong and positive and I could feel it. Not, if you want, it wasn’t just localized say on the chest or something, it was just all over his body. So was he aware of me being concerned for him at that time? And did I join in with that energy thing?

ELIAS: Yes. But I would also say that momentarily, because he was aware of your presence and your energy, there was a hesitation. But then as I said, when the person is actually in the position in which they are choosing to disengage, everything changes.

LEVI: Okay.

ELIAS: And in that, it becomes literally simply a choice. And there’s no attachment in either direction.

LEVI: Yes, I’ve heard you say that. So what’s the energy that I am experiencing? What is that? Is that a sharing thing? Or that’s just simply his energy that I happen to be noticing?

ELIAS: No, in the moment that WAS sharing.

LEVI: Yes.

LEVI: Okay. So there’s another experience that relates to this, and I hope I haven’t interjected you too much. But there was a song playing, and I’m in the band and I played this song, “Dirty Old Town,” it’s called. And I always noticed that – and he played the harmonica now, which was unusual. He played other instruments. And he spoke about that song and he just loved it. And I noticed a massive energy when he spoke about his love for that song and the way I sung it, if you want. It just so happens that my brother had come in about that time when he was dying, and he played the song and it was a much more up-tempo version. And I was telling him to turn the song off or down, because it wasn’t as quiet as the way we were used to it. And then about six months later, after he died, I was at a service station and there was this man across the road and he looked a hell of a lot like my father. So I decided when I left the service station, I’d deliberately left and tried to look at this person, just for the curiosity of it, and tried not to embarrass him that I was looking too much. And at that very time, that song came on the radio. So, is that from my father? Is my father doing something there? How does that work?

ELIAS: Not doing something there, no. But—

LEVI: Is that energy that he left, while he was alive?

ELIAS: I would say it was an energy in the moment, that he was expressing or projecting to you.

LEVI: This is when he was dying?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And so, it manifested at this other time, six months later or a year later.

ELIAS: It doesn’t matter.

LEVI: Yep. So is that…? But is that…? Yeah, I understand that. So, it’s just the energy manifesting at another time. Is that right?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And is he personally involved at that time? Or it’s just the energy?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: Yes, he is involved or he’s not?

ELIAS: Yes, he was.

LEVI: Oh. So, what would he want to say from such a thing like that?

ELIAS: It wasn’t a matter of saying anything. Remember: individuals that are dying and individuals that have died, they don’t have a message—

LEVI: Yes.

ELIAS: — for the living.

LEVI: Yep.

ELIAS: That’s, that’s simply an idea that people in physical focus have, that they express to comfort themselves. But—

LEVI: I understand!

ELIAS: — in actuality, there is no message, but it’s simply a connection.

LEVI: I understand, and I’m happy about that. If that was a connection to me, that feels like “hello” and a bit of love and that’s fine. Is that an okay way of…?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

LEVI: Okay, some other experience, some other things, go onto other things. This is quite a subject. There seems to be a tension in me between the inner and the outer reality. So much so that, I don’t know, I’m unhealthy, physically unhealthy, because I don’t, unlike say other people where you might go to the emphasis of the objective and you’d be quite happy with that, I seem to have a strain about that. And I seem to have the subject of duality as a very big issue for me, and perhaps this relates to my experiences of a child too. Can you speak to that, please?

ELIAS: I would say, I would say you already know what that’s about. That that is definitely connected to these different experiences, but you focusing on them in a particular manner rather than moving in a direction of perhaps exploring that more, as you are now, and moving in a direction of using these experiences to your benefit. For a significant amount of time in your life you have expressed them as suspect and negative. And in that, you have a tendency to be perceiving in somewhat of a negative capacity.

LEVI: Yeah.

ELIAS: Rather than in a beneficial capacity. And that does eventually move in directions of affecting the body consciousness.

LEVI: Yep. So I see it like this, and you can react to this. In my interest of the subject of objective and subjective, and in my difficulty, it’s a bit like a person might be born in England and they come out to Australia but because they’re looking at the culture from a whole different point of view, they can tend to have a much better analysis of the culture. So I’ve been looking at the objective and the subjective, and I’ve been involved, if you want, in my own pain about that and difficulties with that for the purpose of understanding what it is, and perhaps for the purpose of trying to teach others what it is, but that’s got a negative spin on myself, and that’s what you just said. Does that make sense to you?

ELIAS: Definitely. Yes.

LEVI: And so, should I stop teaching?

ELIAS: No. I merely am expressing to you that this is something to be at… to be aware of, that it’s important for you to not succumb to the negative expressions.

LEVI: Yeah.

ELIAS: And for you to turn that in a manner that is beneficial to you.

LEVI: I’m trying, and so I’m thinking to myself, the kinds of things that I can talk about in what I refer to as scientific, spiritual-type ways, I don’t feel that I have many people that can speak on my level at all. And I find that – I know ultimately I should be comfortable with that – but I find a considerable amount of difficulty living a life like that.

ELIAS: And that’s one of those pieces that I’m expressing to you, about turning it in a capacity that is a benefit to you, rather than continuing to express it in that negative capacity. Because in that, my friend, it binds you. That it’s not about necessarily having people that are what you think of as being in your same category or at your same level, in your terminology of, but that you can use your awareness to benefit yourself and others.

Now; once again, I would refer to the Dalai Lama. There are not many people in the world that have the type of awareness that this individual has. Does he pine for the factor that there are not people that he can share with, in relation to his awareness? No. He uses his awareness and his time and his ability to benefit himself and to benefit others, and to create connections. And by creating connections, he uses that as an example to others, what they can aspire to be.

Now; in that, it is very similar to yourself. You can be expressing distress and you can be uncomfortable that you feel alone, or you can be not alone.

LEVI: Yep! And of course, that’s a choice.

ELIAS: It is. It definitely IS a choice.

LEVI: And you’re aware that while I’m raising these difficult childhood experiences, and the suddenness of it, and the fact that I’ve met nobody that can speak about such experiences, it’s all too easy for me to wallow in my suffering. And that’s what I’m trying to work out, how to get out of it.

ELIAS: Precisely. And that’s what we’re speaking about.

LEVI: Yep. Okay.

ELIAS: And in that, I would say that in having the experiences that you had, and in having the awareness that you have, it gives you a unique perspective in relation to other individuals and the ability to relate to them and to engage with them in an empathetic and compassionate manner, and in that, to be uniquely encouraging of people because you do have these experiences.

LEVI: And I feel, even if I slip up socially—

ELIAS: With other people’s, other individuals’ awareness, you could be very compassionate and very encouraging to another individual that feels very isolated and very alone. Even though their reason for feeling that may be very different from your own, you definitely can express a connection and a shared factor in that experience and in that, sharing with the other individual that compassion in knowing how affecting that can be with an individual.

LEVI: Yep! And I think I can register that other people get that. A very similar subject but on an oddly very profound negative side of the same thing, I seem to be able to understand what we all call evil. I seem to understand it so well that it’s as if I also attract. I have the image of that kind of negativity to, if I say, a disturbing level to my own self at times. Can you speak to that?

ELIAS: Explain.

LEVI: It relates to my interest in spirituality and the idea of sensing that you exist in another reality, and I noticed that a part of that is understanding extremely negative, evil people. And I know that you wouldn’t use a term like that, but I’m just using it to describe to you. I seem to understand who they are, what they’re doing and feel for them in a certain way. And I seem to… I seem to gather such people, or feel or have a connection with them. Say for example, I’ll give an example and you could work on this.

I was really concerned about the middle eastern war, when it was about twenty-five years ago, the first Bush president. And I was really, really concerned about Saddam Hussein. And so, if you can answer this question about another phenomenon?

And I was concerned about, well what are you up to mate, and what’s your game type of thing, and can I affect this in any way. And so I’m dealing with a person that others would consider evil. And then an experience occurred to me – and if you can answer this? In my, I think, right ear, a sudden bright light moved into my right ear and into my mind, brain, and with that came the words, “His name is [name omitted].” Well, my question was, “What’s the name of this, what’s the spiritual name if you want of Saddam Hussein, or what’s the story?” And my analysis of this name is that this person wasn’t Saddam Hussein, but it was a weapons dealer. And someone, some soul had decided to tell me that his name, his actual earth name is [name omitted]. So what’s that about? So I’ve mixed in the experience with this interest in evil people or this sense that I can understand them, and I’m wanting to know, learn about myself in that way.

ELIAS: I would say that that is something that is important. Because it’s important that everyone, regardless of what they choose in this reality – because everything that you choose in this reality is being chosen for the experience – therefore, it’s important that EVERYONE has the opportunity to be connected and sharing. And in that, you are all interconnected and therefore it doesn’t matter whether you deem someone to be bad or evil, it is someone that you are nevertheless interconnected with. And I would say that this is part of your gift, is moving in the direction of incorporating compassion and understanding for these individuals.

Now; in relation to your experiences with that name, what is your impression in relation to that?

LEVI: Well first of all, thank you for those words, because that’s, my interest in so-called evil people or those sorts of people is that everyone is saved, if you want. Just put it that way. And that’s really important to me. And you said, I think, or hopefully you said the same thing in your own words.

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: This name – you said yes to that? Thanks. Which is just… It’s just very beneficial for me to hear this, because it’s affirming me. The name, as I said, I perceived a name in, if you want, psychic events, in my deliberate questioning of, “Who are you? What is this?” And as I said before, I perceived the person to be a weapons dealer, and that he was integral, integral in the whole affair, in the whole war.

ELIAS: Oh, I would agree. And I would agree that he is an actual or was an actual individual and that he actually was involved with this other individual.

LEVI: I understand that and that’s what I came to. And in fact, twenty years, this is a long time ago, but many years later I actually saw his name in the internet, and actually saw and validated it, but it took twenty years for me to get it. So what is, who’s communicating that to me?

ELIAS: You.

LEVI: Yeah, so I had a little whisper in my own ear.

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And so the light, the small sharp light that I experienced, that’s my imagery of the event?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And that’s me using proper imagery as in the light of the universe, and that’s one of the ways in which it works?

ELIAS: And I would say this is your imagery of it, yes.

LEVI: All right. Okay. Am I dispersed?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: Is there degrees of being dispersed?

ELIAS: No.

LEVI: Okay. My brother David, he died many, many years ago at the age of twenty-seven. He was my oldest brother. He was much loved by my mother and she had six, eight children. My brother David was deeply interested in death about a year, two years before he died. Can you speak to…? Can I just leave it at that and ask you to speak to that interest that he had?

ELIAS: I would say that it was a curiosity that was actually leading in the direction of his own death.

LEVI: How aware then was he of his own impending death?

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ELIAS: Repeat.

LEVI: How aware was he of his own impending death? How consciously aware, objectively aware?

ELIAS: He was not aware until just before his death.

LEVI: And my brother David was profoundly interested in spirituality in his own setting, through the concept of death. I think I could say I don’t know of anyone who was that deep. Can you speak to that sense of him?

ELIAS: I would say that there are many individuals that move in those directions, although you may not know them. But I would say that he also was shifting.

LEVI: Yeah.

ELIAS: And was aware of more than the people around him objectively.

LEVI: Yep, that certain seems… And he knew that he was aware in ways that many other people weren’t?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

LEVI: And did he deal with that okay? Was he happy with that?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And whereas what I’ve been speaking about is that I’m not so happy with my position. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Correct. (Laughs)

LEVI: Okay. Elias, I first started studying you about thirty years ago. And I probably came in not that long after the event started occurring. Were you involved in me finding you, if you want?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: Now, I write a lot of poetry. I’ve got eight thousand entries on my Facebook thing and five times more than that on the computer, so I’m involving myself in ideas all the time. There’s times or there’s often times, or there’s times that are more stronger than others, where entire sentences appear in my head already formed. Are you involved in some of that?

ELIAS: I am generating an inspiring energy with you, but YOU but are (inaudible).

LEVI: So you’re just being encouraging?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: And how often are you doing that, percentage-wise?

ELIAS: I would say that I am involved with you considerably and that in that, whenever you are writing I am with you.

LEVI: Oh! And why would you do that?

ELIAS: Because you are open to allowing it.

LEVI: Yep! And oh, so the idea of having bigger and bigger sentences, if you want, appearing at once, is that just a skill that I’ve learnt? I feel it is, as well as –

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: — this is me trying to reach out to other realms. Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. I would agree.

LEVI: Did you say yes—

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: — to reaching out to other realms?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: What are those? Other non-earthly realms?

ELIAS: I would say different dimensions, different areas of consciousness, and other areas of your own dimension.

LEVI: Yep. And so you are just helping me with this understanding, if you want. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

LEVI: Okay. Well, thank you! (Laughs) You know, that’s pretty far out. Oh, that’s nice. And so, you said that you were often helping me or almost always helping me out? (Line beeps) Okay, so I believe we’re gone now.

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[1] Native American

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