Theta State; Not Participating in the Collective Drama; Investing and Climate Change
Topics:
“Regeneration and Degeneration”
“Engaging the Theta State”
“Municipal Bond Investments and Climate Change”
“The King, Collective Reality and Individual Reality”
Friday, April 1, 2022 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Good morning.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And how shall we proceed?
NUNO: I would like to start by asking you if my body consciousness currently by default is moving in the direction of regeneration or degeneration.
ELIAS: By default?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: Actually at this point, by default, I would say it’s somewhat fluctuating back and forth. It’s not moving in one or the other direction only, but it’s somewhat fluctuating back and forth. I would say that what it’s doing is some parts of your body are moving in the direction of the default being regeneration, such as some of your muscles are moving in the direction of regeneration. Your bones are definitely moving in the direction of regeneration. I would say that most of your organs are moving in that direction, but I would say that there are other parts of your body that are expressing in the direction of degeneration, but I would say that that’s, for someone who is moving in the direction of regeneration, that’s normal.
NUNO: Okay. Is there anything additional I should be doing to move it more in a default direction of regeneration?
ELIAS: Only in relation to catching yourself whenever you are expressing something that reinforces degeneration, and all you have to do is catch yourself and express that reinforcement that that’s not true.
NUNO: Okay. I had thought that I had been doing that.
ELIAS: I would (inaudible) and I agree, and you have. I’m merely reinforcing that.
NUNO: So would this be something that is trending towards becoming more regeneration?
ELIAS: (Pause) Yes. I would say yes, because it is moving in that direction more and more.
NUNO: Okay. Well the part about the bone regeneration, I understand. I have been doing quite a bit of exercise recently. Well, not recently but for a while, for over a year or two. So that’s understandable. While we’re on the subject, and I’ll ask a couple more related, is coconut oil beneficial to the skin?
ELIAS: It can be. Yes. Coconut oil, olive oil, avocado oil, any of these.
NUNO: Another thing I’ve been trying to do is increase my water intake, and that kind of fluctuates. One thing I notice is if I begin to drink water, I reach a point where I feel the body consciousness is wanting me to stop and not to drink any more water at that point. It’s kind of almost a physical reaction. And I’m wondering if I should comply with that, or should I try and drink more?
ELIAS: At what point do you experience that?
NUNO: Generally, it depends. I mean sometimes if I’m drinking like a glass of water, I will try and drink the whole glass. If at times the body consciousness will want to accept the entire amount without any difficulty, other times it’ll be a lesser amount simply because… I don’t know. The body consciousness is saying that it doesn’t want any more.
ELIAS: Ah. I understand. But that doesn’t mean that you would decrease your volume throughout the day. But yes, I would agree that there may be times in which you may be consuming water at one point and that you may reach a point which it is a stop point, that the body is expressing enough. And the reason that that happens is because, as I have expressed, water is not digested. It’s absorbed. Therefore, if the body is considerably occupied with some other activity, it may not be as willing to accept large amounts of water to process at that particular time. Are you understanding?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: Therefore in that, it can fluctuate. I would say that an excellent example is that when an individual has a fever and they are feeling considerably ill and they may be being encouraged by a physician to take in larger amounts of water and they don’t. And this is the reason that an individual can dehydrate very easily when they are engaging with a fever, because the body is very busy during that time framework and it doesn’t move naturally in a direction of assimilating the absorption of water. It’s busy expressing expelling and expelling water, because it’s attempting to throw off toxins. And in that, when it’s expelling that water, it doesn’t necessarily want to move in the direction of absorbing it.
Now; that’s only one example. There are other time frameworks in which you may feel very thirsty and you may be drinking water, but there may be a point in which the body is generating yes, that stop point, because it can only process a certain amount at one time. Therefore, I would agree and acknowledge you that yes, that actually is a common situation.
NUNO: Okay. And then the appropriate action would be to stop drinking, and simply drink more at another time?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. Another question on the body consciousness. As we discussed last time, you suggested I engage a kind of action to relax the circulatory system at those times in which the body consciousness was moving in a direction of increasing blood pressure. And I’ve been doing this, and my impression is that it’s actually working quite well on those occasions. And what I’d like to know is, is the body consciousness beginning to move in a direction that it automatically does that?
ELIAS: Relaxes?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: (Pause) It’s beginning. I would say it is just the beginning. Therefore, I would definitely encourage you to continue to be expressing that exercise. But yes, it is beginning to recognize the repetition of this action, and therefore recognize that is a new communication.
NUNO: Okay. That was pretty much my impression, that it was just beginning. Okay. Thank you.
So, the main thing I’d like to discuss with you today is about the theta state, and in the context of me wanting to get information for myself, myself as essence. And so, we talked a bit about this last time and I’m having a lot of difficulty beginning with this, and I’d like to have some guidance on how to engage the theta state and how to know when I’m in the theta state, or have engaged it. And the other thing is, I know there are sound recordings available which supposedly help people enter this state, and I’d like to know whether those would be appropriate or helpful.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes, I would express that suggestion. That can be very helpful. I would also say that moving in a direction of experimenting with self-hypnosis can also be helpful in relation to achieving that state.
NUNO: And what indicators would I have that I am moving in that direction?
ELIAS: (Pause) First of all, I would say that engaging in that state of being is very different from what you are accustomed to. Therefore, your thinking doesn’t process in the same manner. Remember: your thinking doesn’t originate in your brain, but your brain is very much involved in the reception of thinking and then translating that into responses with the body.
Now; in that, in this state the physical brain is much more relaxed. That doesn’t mean it’s not alert. It’s simply in a much more relaxed state, and therefore it’s not as responsive to (pause) expressions that are unnecessary, such as thinking chatter or certain neurological expressions that are not necessary, that are habits, such as certain muscle actions or certain activities that you may engage or certain actions that you do unintentionally.
As a hypothetical example, some people hum and they aren’t even aware that they are doing it when they’re doing it. They automatically engage that action. Some people tap their finger or they might move their fingers or move their toes, and they can be viewed as involuntary actions because they’re not actually paying attention and they’re not actually even noticing that they’re doing it when they’re doing it. These are neurological disturbances, in a manner of speaking, and they’re not necessary. They are habit and somewhat compulsion. And what they do or what they are designed to do by the neurological system is to be diverting attention from one thing to another and therefore, in that, generating some type of distracting and therefore possibly calming, to a degree, action with the body. Those actions would stop. They wouldn’t be occurring, because they’re not necessary. The body also expresses in a manner of being functioning in its barest form, in a manner of speaking.
Now; what you will notice, in this state many people express that they generate much more clarity. And the reason that they express that is because all of these additional actions that you do normally stop happening. In that, also thinking is different. When I say “different” – and this is also a reason that people express that they have more clarity – is that you may be expressing your brain activity in (pause).
(Connection is interrupted and re-established).
ELIAS: Continuing.
Now; in this, as I was expressing, your thought mechanism can be translated differently in this state, which is also one of the reasons that people express that they experience more clarity in this state. Therefore an individual that may normally think in pictures might be thinking in words, or an individual that thinks in words might be thinking in pictures. Or in that, it may not even be that black and white. It could be that the individual experiences a type of dream state. Many individuals experience in a manner in which it’s very similar to engaging with a substance, but not engaging a substance, because in that, they may actually be experiencing scenarios. They may be experiencing scenes that feel and seem and even look very real. And in that, they are experiencing information and the input of information very differently.
Now; that doesn’t mean that the information that you might present to yourself may not be symbolic. Many times it is, but it’s expressed in a very clear manner.
Let me say to you, you will know when you are reaching that state. You will know when you are in that state, because it will be different. Your experience will be different.
NUNO: Okay. I think I understand. Thank you.
ELIAS: It’s not the same as being asleep, by any manner.
NUNO: Yes. Okay. (Pause) And obviously the goal here for me is to get questions answered from myself, and in that, how should I proceed with this? Should I begin by simply practicing achieving that state without attempting to obtain information? Or should I pose a question to myself and then attempt to enter that state?
ELIAS: I would say I would encourage you to be engaging the state first, and familiarizing yourself with that experience. And in that, even when you initially engage that experience, you will give yourself information anyway because you are you and you know what you want answers to. In that, I would say that once you are familiar with that state, then you can be presenting more direct questions. But as I expressed, you will give yourself information and answers to questions even without asking the questions.
NUNO: Okay. I believe I understand that. I’ve been thinking that perhaps this is somewhat similar in experience to an energy exchange, but maybe that isn’t correct?
ELIAS: In some capacities yes, it is. I would say that in some capacities it’s very similar. I would say that in some manners it can be similar to a trance state, in relation to an energy exchange, except that YOU are directing it and that you do generate a connection still with your reality. Therefore you still will generate the associations with aspects of your reality: thinking, feeling, images. Therefore that would be the difference between a trance state with an energy exchange and other trance states.
NUNO: Okay. In terms of using sound recordings to assist with this, I listened to a few and none of them really seem to be particularly helpful. It could be this is just a matter of practice. I was considering perhaps making my own recording and I’m not sure which is the most important component in these recordings. Supposedly it’s the frequency of the sound. Some of these recordings, they have music mixed in, for example, but there’s supposed to be an underlying tone at a particular frequency. Is there a particular tone that I can use that would be effective for me in this?
ELIAS: I would say yes, you could use your own expression or even your own recording. And in that, I would say what would likely be effective as a tone would be the tone of your essence. (Pause) Use the musical note or chord that is associated with your essence, and that I would say would be the most effective.
NUNO: And what is that tone?
ELIAS: (Pause) For you?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: Your impression?
NUNO: I’m not a musical person.
ELIAS: You don’t have to be! That’s why you have impressions. (Laughs)
NUNO: Okay. I will take an impression right now. (Pause) I’m coming up with F, F—
ELIAS: Correct. F sharp.
NUNO: Oh. That was my impression. (Elias laughs) Okay. I’ll have to try and figure out what F sharp is in terms of frequency, but that shouldn’t be too hard. I’m really very uneducated in music. (Elias chuckles) Okay.
Now, so the recording can be simply that one single tone?
ELIAS: Yes, it can.
NUNO: Okay. And would you say that a recording made with that one single tone is equally effective if not more than those other recordings that are available?
ELIAS: Yes. I would say that with many of the recordings that are available, they may be more pleasant because they generally are engaging with some type of musical addition and therefore they can be more pleasing to be engaging as a background sound. But it doesn’t matter. If you are content with one tone, that is actually acceptable also, and will be effective.
NUNO: Okay. Thank you. I will do that. I would move on to another subject now, but I wondered if you had any additional information for me on this.
ELIAS: No. That is enough for now.
NUNO: Let me see. How am I going to begin this? Many years ago, I was investing in these kinds of financial instruments that are called municipal bonds. And are you aware what a municipal bond is?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. So I did very well with this at the time, and it worked out very well. And I got out of it for several reasons but now, presently these investments are looking more attractive to me because they’ve had a significant price drop and I was considering getting back into this kind of investment. My main concern with this is that with climate change, this could make things go badly, in that if there is a disaster, a climate change related disaster somewhere, it could seriously upset the market. Can you speak to that?
ELIAS: (Pause) I would say that if you wanted to invest in something such as municipal bonds short-term, that that would be effective. I would say if you were looking at something that you, such as this, that you were considering investing in, in relation to some type of long-term investment, meaning anything that would be ten years or longer, I wouldn’t advise it.
NUNO: Okay. I concur with that and that was more or less my impression. I wasn’t sure the rate at which climate change was going to become, shall we say, catastrophic and that was my concern. But a ten-year time frame or less than ten-year time frame is quite acceptable. What I would want is that I have sufficient, let’s say, warning that things are turning worse and I could at that point unwind my positions in those investments.
ELIAS: I understand. And I would say that there are two factors: one, simply paying attention to what is happening around you. That will be one sufficient factor to give you that type of warning. Which also includes paying attention to your intuition because your intuition is always answering questions. I would say the other piece would be what you are moving in the direction of engaging now with the movement into that theta state. That that is an avenue that you would be using to engage information of any type. Therefore that would be included in that.
NUNO: Okay. I understand and I just don’t know the rate at which I will be progressing with that, but it’s…
ELIAS: And I would also say that occasionally at times you can be engaging questions with myself and I would be more than pleased to be answering you.
NUNO: Okay. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome. Not that I am offering to be a financial advisor (laughs) but in conjunction with you listening to yourself and giving yourself information and listening to your intuition, I can be another source of information.
NUNO: Excellent. I appreciate that very much. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
NUNO: I have a question here about the relationship between myself and the collective, in that my objective reality is of course my own, as is everybody else’s objective reality their own. But it is, of course, heavily influenced by the collective – and maybe I’m not using the correct word here – but as you explained, there is one world.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And my understanding is that that one world is actually a subjective world. Is that correct?
ELIAS: (Inaudible)
NUNO: I’m sorry? Repeat?
ELIAS: What. What are you meaning by “subjective world”?
NUNO: What I mean is that the objective realities are created by each individual, but that one world which is a source of structure, let’s say, for those objective realities is a subjective one.
ELIAS: No. Because that would suppose that there is an official reality that is one thing and not what you each individually create. And that would not be correct.
NUNO: Okay. What I really want to know though is… Okay, let me use a concrete example from the present time. We have an individual, the Russian king, and the Russian king takes actions and it’s very disruptive to many, many people around the world, the action of this one individual. Now he creates that action in his own objective reality and he does things that cause this ripple effect throughout the world for all the other people. And what I want to know is why am I or anyone else obligated to participate in HIS reality of that? And the reality that he’s creating?
ELIAS: You are not. You are not. You are not obligated to participate in his reality and this is the reason that I expressed that no, there is no one official reality and that everyone IS creating their own reality. And yes, it is influenced by the collective, but then that’s also a choice. And the choice IS – and it’s actually very simple, my friend. It’s a matter (laughs) of what you are paying attention to.
Now; I’m not speaking about ignoring. I’m speaking about genuinely what you’re paying attention to. That how you engage and what you engage are significant. And I would say that in this, depending on what you engage and how you engage it, you might not be participating with HIM or what he is doing at all, and you might not even HAVE a war IN your reality. You might not know that there is a war happening because it might not BE in your reality.
Now; in that, it doesn’t matter that you’re not someone that is in the outback of Australia or that you are in the mountains of New Zealand or that you are in the mountains of South America. You (laughs) can be in a significantly large city in a western culture and still you can be creating a reality in which you’re not participating with any of that. And that’s all dependent upon what you are paying attention to and how you are paying attention.
Therefore, let me say as a hypothetical example, you may be an individual that is paying attention to your reality and not paying attention to the media at all. But that doesn’t mean that you wouldn’t necessarily know about what is happening with this individual or with this war that is being expressed, because it’s about how you’re paying attention, not only what you are paying attention to. Perhaps you are paying attention to only what is happening in your world around you, and how you’re paying attention to that is in relation to everything that you perceive as being encouraging to you and to other people. And therefore, that’s what you present in your life, in your reality. And in that, you will likely filter out any of the information about what this individual is doing or about how that is affecting the other countries, or how it’s affecting other people, or how it’s affecting in relation to your country.
It’s all about perception. It’s all about what YOU pay attention to and how you pay attention. If you pay attention in the HOW to doom and gloom, you’re much more likely to be paying attention to anything that moves in the direction of supporting that. If you are paying attention to what you are engaging or what is important to you, such as very realistically expressing to YOU, my friend, individually, that what is important to you is moving in a direction of connecting with being more of essence in one particular physical focus, this particular physical focus, and in that, accessing specific information that is important to you.
Now; in that, you might be so involved with that activity and paying so much attention to that, and the HOW you are paying attention may be so involved with the mechanics of that and the expression of what is benefiting, that you might not be privy to anything else, regardless that there is a tremendous collective that is participating in this situation.
It’s all a matter of perception and attention, because you can be interactive with that collective and that energy and you can be yourself channeling that and manipulating that in relation to what you’re doing.
I would say in less of an extreme, there are people, somewhat to a degree including yourself, that ARE aware of this conflict or this war and are aware to a degree of the players, and to a degree, let us say a vague type of degree, there are aware of what the heads of state are doing, and in that they may be responding individually in relation to what is important to them, but they are also not actually participating much because they are moving their attention in other directions much more of the time.
Therefore let us say in an average day, they may have accumulatively twenty minutes within their day that they have some directed attention in relation to that part of reality and what’s happening there. And the rest of all the hours and minutes of the day, they aren’t paying attention to that at all. The rest of that person’s day, that conflict generates less and less and less importance. And what that person does is project more energy to the lessening of the conflict. They’re not ignoring. They’re not hiding. They’re not denying, but they’re also choosing not to participate in any capacity other than what they personally perceive as beneficial.
NUNO: Okay. I believe I understand most of that.
ELIAS: I would acknowledge that you do, and that you are one of those people. The difference is with you, my friend, is that sometimes with some subjects that are happening in your world outside of you, you become annoyed with them, almost as if they are an intrusion on your world. And what I would say to you is, the more you can move in a direction of changing that perception – because that’s the HOW you are paying attention – the more you can move in a direction of when you are paying attention to something such as this in your world, that you can move your attention in some capacity of how you can participate in a beneficial manner. And it doesn’t have to be anything tremendous, but simply something that you can be participating in a beneficial manner, because that changes the energy and it changes HOW you perceive the situation, and it gives it much less importance and allows you to move in a direction in which then you are more focused on what is important to YOU and not what other people are doing.
NUNO: Okay. That’s valuable information, and I think I’m doing that to some extent on different subjects.
ELIAS: I agree.
NUNO: I was wondering. So you help me in many different ways and assist me in this focus extensively. I was wondering, what is it that I do for this focus? Because I don’t have awareness of that.
ELIAS: What do you do for you?
NUNO: Yeah. As essence.
ELIAS: Experience. You are continuously experiencing, my friend, and you’re experiencing different than any other focus. Every focus in unique. And in doing so, you are generating unique and different methods of what interests you.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: And you are participating in this shift, and you’re doing THAT in a unique manner also. Therefore, I would say that that is definitely a very (chuckles) significant contribution.
NUNO: Okay. My question is actually the other way around. It was not what this focus is contributing to myself. It is what is myself as essence doing to assist this focus in the directions that I’m moving in.
ELIAS: But in that, you are expressing as if you as essence is another entity that’s doing something to help you, and that would be inaccurate. I would say even if you are thinking in that manner or moving in that direction, I would say what you as essence are doing to promote you or to help you is having an available energy.
NUNO: I was thinking more in terms of the kinds of assistance that you offer me.
ELIAS: I understand. But in that, the difference is that your essence is you. Therefore that’s all already present.
NUNO: Yes. I mean I understand that and I understand I am incorporating an element of separation in that, but it’s a matter of awareness that I do not have, for—
ELIAS: I understand. And therefore, in another manner of speaking, I could answer that question by saying that that’s what you’re doing: you’re encouraging yourself to engage conversation with me. That you are providing an avenue for yourself to be giving yourself information and to spur you on and encourage you. And in that, I would say that that would be accurate, because you are creating myself.
NUNO: Okay. Okay, I think you’ve given me enough to consider until our next interactions.
ELIAS: Very well. Which I shall greatly be looking forward to, my friend. And I express tremendous, tremendous encouragement to you, as I always do. In that, I would say to you, my friend, simply concentrate more on what you are already concentrating on and the king and his activities will be much less important to you. (Laughs)
In tremendous love to you and dear friendship, as always, au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 59 minutes)
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