Monday, June 14, 2021 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anon

[Note from publishing team: This session was self-transcribed, then copy-edited for the website without having audio to compare, but we feel confident that it’s accurate.]

(First part of session omitted)

ANON: So now, onto the pandemic. The first question I wanted to ask you is: Have I activated the virus within myself at any time?

ELIAS: No.

ANON: No, didn't think I had. Have I got any kind of immunity to it?

ELIAS: I would say to a degree, yes. In that, even if you WERE to activate it, it likely would not be tremendously strong, because you have been exposed in increments. That in itself creates somewhat of an expression of immunity – not entirely, but somewhat.

ANON: Okay. So I want to ask you first about viruses in general. Seth said, “Each body contains countless viruses that could be deadly at any given time and under certain conditions.” [1] And that ties in with you describing a virus as “a type of mutation of your own cells.” [2] So in other words, both the potential for and the elements of ANY virus already exist inside us, correct?

ELIAS: Yes, yes.

ANON: And those cells that mutate are normally what you might call a “healthy virus,” which is actually beneficial to the body and help to protect it and maintain healthy functioning? Is that correct?

ELIAS: Sometimes. Because I would say in that, there are SOME that actually do that, but not all. There are some bacteria, there are some viruses, that you house within your body consciousness that, yes, do serve to boost your immune system. But then there are some that are simply dormant and are not necessarily what you would term to be beneficial to your body consciousness.

ANON: Almost like sleeping?

ELIAS: Yes, yes, yes. And in that, they can be activated, and then, in that, they can be destructive. But they aren't necessarily beneficial, because they aren't active within the body consciousness until they are activated.

ANON: And Covid-19, is this one of those dormant ones, or is it a beneficial one?

ELIAS: No, this would be a dormant [virus]. And also understand that there are organisms that exist OUTSIDE of the body consciousness. And what happens with many of them is that you come into contact with the organism that is outside of the body consciousness and, dependent upon what you choose, then you activate it WITHIN the body consciousness. There is a recognition of that organism – there is a recognition of the CELL.

YOU have the cell. You don't necessarily have an actual virus living within you; you have the cell. And therefore, you can actually come into contact [with], or be exposed to, a virus or bacteria, and in that, the body consciousness RECOGNIZES the cell and then activates the cells that YOU have within your body consciousness.

ANON: So some viruses do exist outside of us.

ELIAS: Yes. But you also have those cells IN your body consciousness, and therefore that is how it is activated.

ANON: The same cells?

ELIAS: Yes. Not the entire organism, but similar cells.

ANON: As you said, it's a recognition.

ELIAS: Yes, yes.

ANON: That's fascinating. And those viruses that exist outside of us, would it be accurate to say that they exist within nature?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Seth also said, “All viruses of any kind are important to the stability of your planetary life…. You could not live without viruses.” Is that true?

ELIAS: (10-second pause) Can you live without viruses? Actually, I would agree with that. I would say that in that, you would be tremendously vulnerable if you didn't incorporate viruses.

ANON: Wow. Okay. So, regarding this pandemic, the whole of humanity together has collectively created this virus for several purposes, which you've mentioned many times.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: I think you said that the physical origin was animals in China, but it's not really important to know that, is it?

ELIAS: No, it doesn't actually matter.

ANON: Exactly, yeah – it's the purpose of it that counts.

Okay, so next: In April 2020, a relatively early stage in the pandemic, you said that “almost all of you have already been exposed” to the virus. [3] So how were we actually exposed to it? Is it that once it's been created – or activated – in one individual, we're all then individually aware of its existence within the collective consciousness or awareness, on a subjective level, and therefore within our body consciousness? And then we simply choose to activate it if it suits our individual purposes – as with any illness or disease? Is that the dynamic of it?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. I would say that in that, as you expressed in your question, these viruses and organisms exist in nature and, as we have defined, then you also have those cells in your body consciousness, and when you come into contact with these organisms in your environment, then you would either activate it or not in relation to that recognition of the body consciousness with the organism.

Therefore I would say that in that, you are activating it EITHER as you come into contact with it in what you would term to be a natural setting OR as you come into contact with it through exposure in relation to other individuals. But it doesn't matter; you don't “catch” it.

ANON: Right, you don't catch it.

ELIAS: No, you don't catch it from other individuals. You simply activate it or not in relation to the recognition of that organism with your body consciousness.

ANON: And that's going to be a choice depending on our own individual purpose?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANON: Okay. You have described it as a “contagion,” though, and I know that Seth used the term “psychic contagion.” He also said “the initial contagion is always emotional and mental.” Would “psychological” also be an appropriate description? What would be the most accurate word to describe the contagion process?

ELIAS: I would say that it is the suggestibility, it is the IDEA. That's what creates a contagion, is the idea that there is an organism that people believe can be contracted, and therefore they believe that they are infected by that organism. And in that, they believe that they are infected through contact with other individuals, with other people. Now what I would say is, that is PART of how it is activated, only because you BELIEVE that you transmit it from one individual to another.

ANON: It's the belief.

ELIAS: Yes. I would say that, in relation to actually spreading or engaging with a virus, this is one of those situations or one of those expressions that you can observe.

Now, this is not about BELIEFS; it is about what a person BELIEVES, which is what they TRUST. Therefore, in that, you can observe an individual that BELIEVES that they can contract a virus through exposure or contact with another individual, and they will do that. They will activate those cells, and they will INVITE that organism into their body consciousness. I would say that if you observe, though, there are many individuals that simply don't believe that they will be affected, and they aren't.

ANON: Yeah, I'm one of them.

ELIAS: Yes, yes.

ANON: Actually, there's been some fantastic information from the sessions over the last eighteen months or so, and that's helped to dissipate any fear that I might have had, so I'm really, really grateful for that.

ELIAS: And you are very welcome. But I would also express that that is also a factor, that you have been open to accepting that information.

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: That because of that, then you have been able to use it and benefit from that by empowering yourself. And I would say that is tremendously important. But I would say also that had you engaged this information, but not necessarily accepted that in relation to empowering yourself, you may have made different choices, and therefore you may have engaged the virus.

But even if you expressed that you don't believe that you would be contracting the virus through contact with other individuals, you might have activated it anyway for your own reasons. There are some individuals that actually DID activate the virus for their reasons of wanting to change something in their expression, in their life, in their environment. As an example, an individual may have activated that to give themself a reason to disengage a particular situation or a job, and therefore they may have moved in a direction in which they may have activated the virus even though they actually believe that they wouldn't be contracting it from another individual. They would have activated it themself.

ANON: Okay. You've said emphatically that the face coverings, the gloves, the social distancing, the isolation all make no difference. [3] That is correct, isn't it?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: So how does Covid-19 – or any virus, for that matter – spread so quickly to large numbers of people?

ELIAS: (Laughing) Because they BELIEVE it.

ANON: Is it a mass suggestion?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: The influence of other people?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: The attention on it through fear, or the belief – and therefore the perception – that a virus “attacks” you from the outside?

ELIAS: I would say all of that.

ANON: A combination of things.

ELIAS: Yes, yes. It depends on the individual; it depends on what the individual believes.

ANON: Sure.

ELIAS: And in that, yes, it could be that the individual believes the exposure, or that the individual believes that they are being affected and INfected through environment or through contact with other individuals.

And in that, I would say that you notice that, through that action of social distancing, many other expressions of illness were lessened. They were affected. Why? Because people have a very strong association and believe that they contract different illnesses by engaging with each other, that you catch it from other people. And therefore, in that, the situation was definitely affected in relation to OTHER illnesses that people believe are contagious. The factor that they were distancing themselves from each other for a significant period of time influenced their expression of what they engaged in relation to other viruses, other illnesses, that people believe are something that they catch from other people.

ANON: When it does appear to spread very quickly, are there any similarities to mass hysteria?

ELIAS: Yes, I would say it is very much the same.

ANON: Yes, that's the impression I've got. There's been a number of cases involving football and rugby teams here in England having to postpone matches following a sudden “outbreak” amongst players and staff. So what's actually happening there?

ELIAS: The same. But also, recognize that these are all expressions of FEAR, that when individuals generate these outbreaks in relation to any group, it is an expression of fear. Now, that fear may not necessarily be in relation to themselves. It might be that they have a fear in association with individuals that they care about or that they love, and that they are afraid that THEY will be affected, and therefore they may generate an outbreak to move in a direction of containment.

ANON: That's really interesting.

ELIAS: There are many different reasons that individuals express and move in these directions.

ANON: Yes. You've said in one of the sessions that one individual “CAN pass the virus to another.” [4] I just want to get this clear. So, if two individuals interact in very close proximity to each other, and one has already activated the virus within themself, what has to happen for the other individual to then activate it in their own body?

ELIAS: They have to have a reason to do that. Therefore, it may simply be fear, or they may have some other reason – because some individuals may activate it and they don't actually have a fear.

ANON: So it's a choice.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Does Covid involve a “trigger action,” an expression you've used in the past? [2]

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: It does.

ELIAS: And in that, it is a matter of the individual is not touching it from another individual. And in that, when I say that it can be transmitted from one individual to another, that is all associated with what individuals believe.

ANON: So even if the person who hasn't activated it yet is not consciously aware that the other person has, it doesn't matter. It's the recognition from their own body that the other person has [activated] the cell. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Okay, great.

ELIAS: I would say that you are all highly efficient.

ANON: So it doesn't have to be a conscious choice?

ELIAS: It doesn't have to be a choice that you are paying attention to, that you are necessarily aware of.

ANON: Right, I'm with you.

ELIAS: But you make many choices that you aren't necessarily aware of.

ANON: Yeah. Okay, that's good.

Next, what's the reason for these new strains emerging? There was a surge of infections in the UK last winter which they called the “Alpha” variant, and currently there's another new strain, the “Delta” variant or “Indian Covid.” So what's happening there? Is that simply the result of all the constant attention, the concentration and the fear?

ELIAS: What I would say is, it definitely is associated with fear. And what I would also say is that, in addition to fear, there is an expression of control. And in that, the identification of what you think of as mutations, or different strains, are NOT necessarily entirely valid.

ANON: Really?

ELIAS: I would say that that is an attempt to continue the expression of control through fear.

ANON: So they're not really new?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANON: It's just a perception, is that correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANON: Wow. As an example of that, last summer, when things were a lot better here in the UK, they kept talking about the likelihood of a “spike” towards the end of the year.

ELIAS: Which is that expression of planting that suggestion. Therefore, then when they move in the direction of activating that suggestion, you've already been primed.

ANON: Wow. (Laughs) That is fascinating. My impression was that we literally talked our way into it.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

ANON: With the current “new” strain, they're starting to panic about rising infections, saying it's 40% more transmissible. But are these “new” strains actually more contagious or transmissible?

ELIAS: No. I would say that it definitely isn't more affecting, more transmissible, more contagious – however you choose to express that. No, that would be incorrect.

ANON: With the winter strain, there's also the mass belief – and mass suggestion – of the “flu season,” so there would've been more flu around in the winter anyway.

ELIAS: Yes, because that's what you DO. That's what you believe, and therefore that's what you activate.

ANON: And Covid IS a flu virus, as you've said. [5]

ELIAS: Correct.

ANON: That's what I thought. So the numbers would've been up anyway. Nobody seemed to say that.

ELIAS: Of course they're not going to say that, because that would then suggest to all of you that this is not anything that is significantly different than what you are accustomed to.

ANON: Could the pandemic have gone in a different direction with a different mindset? What was the most effective and beneficial way that we could have handled it on a global scale?

ELIAS: I would say that you engaged it very effectively as you have. Because, in that, it was never actually ABOUT the virus.

ANON: As you've said, yes.

ELIAS: Because that was simply a focal point, simply something you used to generate this action, and to move in the direction of initiating an action that involved the entire world. You needed something as a focal point to gain the attention of EVERYONE, and this was the most effective.

ANON: For the changes that you've told us about.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Regarding the individual, would the most effective way to NOT activate the virus be to pay attention to differences, self-directing and self-structuring, to embrace and flow with the Shift? Or would that be far too simplistic?

ELIAS: No, I would say that would be something. In that, it would be a matter of that, and being actually, genuinely more self-aware. Therefore, actually moving in a direction in which you were aware of your choices, you were aware of being self-directing, you were being self-structuring and that you were already expressing addressing to difference. Therefore, if you were engaged in all of those actions already, then you wouldn't necessarily be participating in that action of the pandemic.

If you were ALL already in that direction, there would've been no necessity for that mass creation.

ANON: Yes, that's the impression I had. Obviously, we needed a kick up the backside, in a sense.

ELIAS: Needed or required something to be expressing some common expression, something that you would all be participating in that would be affecting of every culture, of every country, of every people in your world.

ANON: Okay. On the UK's – or more specifically, England's – response and handling of the situation, my impression is that there's this “climate of fear” which has been built up here since March 2020. The narrative is that we're at war against a deadly, unseen enemy. We're obsessed especially with the figures – the deaths, the infections – and we seem to focus on the worst-case scenarios. Is that impression correct?

ELIAS: I would definitely agree, yes.

ANON: You've said that England was one of the countries where the number of deaths reported was “very inaccurate.” [5] Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: How inaccurate were the figures?

ELIAS: I would say considerably.

ANON: “Considerably” – wow, that sounds like a lot. And have the hospital admission figures also been exaggerated?

ELIAS: Yes. Because in that, what they are expressing is they are attributing many of the admissions, many of the illnesses that are NOT associated with the virus, they are attributing them to the virus anyway.

ANON: Thought that might've been the case.

ELIAS: Therefore, in that, then you have inflated numbers in relation to the illnesses, in relation to the deaths, in relation to the severity of the expression of the illness.

ANON: Okay. And the deaths are both a mass statement and an individual choice, that's correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: And most have been much older people. Is it correct to say that those people are less likely to change, in terms of self-directing, self-structuring and differences? Is that significant?

ELIAS: I would say not entirely, but to a degree, yes. And I would say also some simply are using that as an opportunity to disengage. Some are using it in a similar manner as individuals did in relation to the expression of AIDS and that they are generating their solidarity, in a manner of speaking.

ANON: And quite a lot of them have died in care homes. Is that anything to do with, perhaps, the value of the individual being diminished in those places?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Now, are any medical scientists – anywhere in the world – aware that the virus is activated within us, that we're not under attack from the outside? If not, will any be aware by the end of this century?

ELIAS: Oh, definitely by the end of the century.

ANON: Are any aware now?

ELIAS: I would say that there are some physicians that are self-aware enough that they know that it's not a matter of what is being expressed, and that it is something that each individual would be activating, and that that would be in accordance with what the individual believes. But that wouldn't be the majority, by any means. I would say that it is a relatively small amount of physicians, at this point, that move in that direction.

ANON: And not large enough to have any real influence?

ELIAS: Correct. And I would also say that actually, though, your physicians are moving more in that direction, even though they may not be expressing that yet. They are moving more in that direction because they are moving in a direction of the recognition that what an individual believes affects their body, that what an individual believes affects their ability to heal. They are beginning to move in that direction by that recognition.

ANON: I understand. That's a good point.

And just on the vaccine, it's the belief in it that works, isn't it?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Seth talked about immunity to a disease being a “mental immunity.” Is that an accurate way to describe a vaccination?

ELIAS: I would say yes.

ANON: I've not had it, and don't intend to, but it's just an individual choice, isn't it?

ELIAS: It definitely is an individual choice. And some individuals believe that it will keep them safe, and that helps them to move forward, and that is acceptable. I would say that it is definitely valid, because what you BELIEVE is what you will create.

ANON: And it all rests on that, doesn't it?

ELIAS: Correct, correct.

ANON: Okay. Well, that's all the questions answered on the pandemic. That's brilliant. Thank you very, very much for all that – it's fascinating material.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

[1] All Seth references are from the book “The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events”
[2] Session 368
[3] Session 202004191
[4] Session 202003281
[5] Session 202005241

(This portion of the session was approximately 44 minutes)

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