Money and Saving
Topics:
“Money and Saving”
“Opening to Elias’ Energy”
“Regeneration and Aging”
Tuesday, May 25, 2021 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good day!
NUNO: Good day.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And how shall we begin?
NUNO: We can begin with talking about what you expressed at the group session regarding doing something uncomfortable, or something that would normally be uncomfortable, as a means to promote expansion.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: And coupled with that is your comments on saving, or actually… I mean, I kind of knew this, but they were very poignant in that I have been saving for all my life, and I still do. When it comes to money, I just like piling it up. So, I think that that’s kind of an area maybe where I can exercise my discomfort and move in the direction of that, but I wanted to talk to you about that.
ELIAS: Very well. And what are your thoughts and your expression about that?
NUNO: Well… I’m not really sure. (Elias laughs) I mean, I’m not really needing anything at the moment. There’s nothing that is very pressing for me to go spend money on or anything. I’m just addressing to that saving piece, and that’s more of a concern about money, which is kind of ludicrous, actually.
ELIAS: I understand. And in that, what I would say to you first of all is, it isn’t actually, as you know, about what you might need. It isn’t about that. And in that, it isn’t about that you should be rushing out and spending money in some capacity that is significant, and that will change the situation and the scenario—no. it’s about addressing to what drives you to be saving it, and in that, addressing to that piece of security or safety or protection or whatever it is that motivates you to save it; and in that, knowing that this is putting into practice in a very real capacity that concept that is the first principle of consciousness, of creating more of what you pay attention to.
Therefore, in that, it isn’t necessarily about creating more money; it’s about creating more freedom and moving in a direction in which you are expressing yourself more genuinely and you are giving yourself the opportunity to be creating more comfort, more freedom, more of anything and everything that you want—not that you need, but that you want.
And in that, you might not want much, in regard to physical manifestations, but you might want more comfort, more time, more energy, more awareness. In that, I would say that I would remind you in relation to everything is interconnected. Therefore, if you are moving in one direction in which you are protecting, that spills into every other direction, and it manifests in every other direction in some capacity.
Therefore, as in what I was discussing in our group interaction, it is a matter of looking at what you are doing and recognizing with the choices that you are making, are you opening doors or are you closing them?
What would you say is your main driving motivation for saving?
NUNO: Well, I started thinking about that when you asked the question a few minutes ago, and I’m not really sure. I think it is (sighs)… I think it is definitely security to some extent, in the sense that I feel if I have sufficient money I don’t ever have to be concerned about it, and therefore that gives me freedom to not be wanting to work as much as other people do, which I don’t. I think that’s a part of it. That’s a part of it too, is that—actually, that’s a very big piece of it, is that I want to be extremely flexible in my time, which is exactly how I’ve structured my life. I don’t want to be engaged in the common work patterns that most people are engaged in, and I don’t. And a good part of that is because I have enough money to not have to do that if I don’t want to.
ELIAS: If you don’t want to. But what DO you do?
NUNO: I work. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: That is the point. (Laughs) Therefore, the saving piece is (laughs) more of a CONCEPT than it is what you’re actually doing, because it is the concept of, or the idea, that if you don’t want to, you don’t have to work because you have this saving. How much of it do you use?
NUNO: Um… I don’t know. I mean, how do you want to quantify that? I mean, it depends. Recently—and by recently I mean since the beginning of the year—I started doing some work for some other people, and it’s not like a typical work cycle. I work from home, and I’m totally flexible with my time. I actually created this work opportunity because it’s something for a long time I wanted, because I wanted the money—and I’m not really sure why I wanted the money. I mean, it was because once again I was afraid that if I just don’t replenish what I spend, then I’m concerned that it is diminishing.
Anyways, to your question how much do I spend: not much. I mean, typically even before I started working and it was just my wife working, we kind of more or less maintained what we have without any hardship.
ELIAS: I understand. And what I would ask you in that, now you express two significant points: you don’t spend much; and if you do spend, you are in the mindset to replenish that.
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: And therefore to always be maintaining what you have—but not just maintaining what you have, because you engaged this job because you wanted to make more.
NUNO: Yeah. I know. It’s pretty absurd.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Not actually. And when I asked you that question about what is the driving force behind saving the money, that, let me say to you, doesn’t necessarily have to be some deep-seated reason. It could actually simply be that that was what you were taught and therefore that’s what you learned to value, and so that’s what you do.
NUNO: Could be. I mean, it’s definitely possible that I taught myself that.
ELIAS: That this is what creates safety and security, and therefore this is what you do. And in that, it becomes habit, and it becomes a part of your life that you simply do. And in that, what I am encouraging you to question is why, is in this, how is what you are doing actually benefitting you? And how is it actually moving you in a direction of being genuinely happy, content and satisfied?
In that, this saving: if you were to express that that makes you happy, I would say that it might, to a degree—but it’s conditional, because you have to maintain it. And in that, it gives you the IDEA of freedom but you aren’t actually using it as freedom, because in that, you are expressing that you don’t have to work if you don’t want to but you do. And you also are expressing that if you use any of it you have to replace it, which means you have to work.
What I’m saying to you is that it isn’t about that you have to work or you don’t have to work; it’s about that whatever it is that you pay attention to, you create more of. Therefore, if you move in a direction of using what you have in a manner that allows you to express freedom and that also is enjoyable and that you are satisfied with—that makes you comfortable, satisfied and content—you will create more of all of that: more freedom, more satisfaction, more contentment, more comfortable, more enjoyment. Which then creates the overall expression, which is happiness. When you have all those other expressions, then you are happy.
In this, I would say that it doesn’t mean that you can’t save money. It doesn’t mean that you SHOULDN’T save money. That isn’t the point. What it is, is that if you save money, you are saving money but you aren’t concerned about it. That isn’t what provides you that safety or that security or that protection.
Let me express it to you in this manner: The difference would be that you are making more money than you would use—not more money than you need, but more money than you would use—in enjoying your life, and therefore it would be natural and automatic to save some of it because it would be surplus. Are you understanding?
NUNO: I think so. Yes.
ELIAS: Therefore, you aren’t necessarily concerned with saving, you aren’t intentionally saving, but that you DO save money because you create more money than you actually use in relation to whatever you do that brings you to that expression of comfort, satisfaction, enjoyment and contentment. Therefore, in that, you are generating such an extent of money that you simply naturally have more than you actually use. And the more you use it, the more you create it. (Pause)
That is the point, is that you will automatically create more of it the more you use it. (Laughs) Not because you have to, but simply because that’s what you’re paying attention to.
NUNO: Yes. And of course, that applies to everything else as well.
ELIAS: Precisely. Yes. In this, it’s not bad to be saving money, obviously. You know that, but you wouldn’t bring up the subject if you weren’t [inaudible] that there’s some piece in this that you [inaudible] that is limiting.
NUNO: Well, yeah, that’s true, that’s true. The exact reason that I brought it up, actually, is because it was your comments at your group interaction, and I think if I recall correctly on that you said that saving was like a really bad idea.
ELIAS: Simply because of the… the nature of it, the motivation for it. That I would say there are very, very few people that save money for the reasons that I expressed, simply because they are generating more of it than they use. There are very few people that do that. And, even the people that DO engage that action, at this point, generally speaking, are still moving in directions in which they are driven to be generating more and more money by working harder and harder and more and more, simply because that is what provides them with that security and with that expression of safety, but also some in the direction of power, some in the direction of status. What I am saying is that there are very few people in your world presently that would be generating the action of creating a considerable amount of money and saving it simply because they are generating more than they use.
NUNO: Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, in that context, which is the context that I was expressing in our group interaction, I meant it to sound that saving money is not good because it is limiting. Because in that, the more you use, and the more you move in the direction of what you enjoy—which you do, considerably, I will definitely acknowledge that with you. Therefore, you would be part of the exception in this situation, but I would say that you still do have those elements that I would say most of which is more habit at this point than actually moving in a direction of being driven by not enough or by security.
NUNO: Yes. Okay. Well, I will… I mean, I recognize this, some of what you said, and I actually have begun quite recently to alter my perspective on that whole subject of money and all that, so…
ELIAS: Ah! How so, my friend?
NUNO: Well, I mean… just not being concerned, not being stingy—you know, being more open to spending money if it’s going to provide benefit to me rather than instead thinking, well, how much is that going to cost, maybe we can put that off and stuff like that. In other words, expressing more abundance rather than lack.
ELIAS: I would definitely agree, and I would say congratulations. That is tremendous. And I would say you were already moving in that direction, therefore you were already, in a manner of speaking, on that path. It was simply a matter of becoming aware objectively of certain factors that were slightly different and then implementing that. Because you’ve already been moving in a direction of abundance and of expressing that you are not necessarily concerned with money for a time framework now.
NUNO: Mm-hm. Yes. I think you know me better than I know myself.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Not necessarily. (Both laugh)
NUNO: Anyways, shall we change the subject?
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Okay. So, I’m going to ask you a bunch of questions that I have asked you directly recently, so this is kind of a validation but it’s also so that I get clarity on some of these questions. Is that acceptable?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. So, the first question is, when I’m engaging your energy, which happens quite frequently—and actually it’s interesting, because I just have to think about you; frequently that’s all it takes to engage your energy, and then I get that sensation which you are projecting in my ear—when I’m doing that and I want to, let’s say, intensify it—which I do try and do once or twice a day—which is it that’s more preferable? Is it to focus my attention on opening, or is it preferable instead to focus my attention on the sensation?
ELIAS: Ah! That’s an excellent question. I would say, engaging both. I would say focusing your attention on the sensation, and while you are doing that then expressing more and more openness.
NUNO: Okay.
ELIAS: You don’t concentrate on openness; it is simply the action that you do, which you are familiar with, and therefore you don’t have to actually concentrate on that. You can do both at the same time. You can be moving in the action of opening yourself while you are concentrating on the sensation.
NUNO: I found that when I am in the action of opening, even though my intent may have been initially to open to your energy I find that my energy begins to intensify at the same time.
ELIAS: That’s not unusual. And I would say that that shouldn’t be an obstacle.
NUNO: No, it’s not. I just wanted to hear if you had anything to say on that.
ELIAS: I would say that that’s very natural. And in that, it is simply a matter of being aware. What you’re doing is, in a manner of speaking, you’re matching, which creates a harmony. Therefore, what you’re doing is you’re matching a vibrational quality. And let me express to you that vibration creates direction; therefore, it creates a direction for energy. That’s what vibrational qualities do.
In this, what you’re doing when you’re opening is you are changing your vibrational quality that you are expressing, which then creates a different direction. And what you do is you match my energy; therefore, you feel your energy changing. You feel your energy intensifying because it’s matching the volume with my energy.
NUNO: Okay. I think I understand that.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: And on the subject of your energy, what exactly DOES your energy do to me?
ELIAS: Meaning…? It doesn’t do anything TO you. I would say that it moves in an expression of harmony with you, and therefore it enhances not only your energy, it enhances your vibrational quality, which also then enhances your clarity in relation to whatever it is that you are focusing on at that time. Whatever information you’re focusing on, whatever direction you’re focusing on, whatever action—whatever it is, it enhances that.
NUNO: I see.
ELIAS: It generates more clarity.
NUNO: So, it’s somewhat similar to the effect of black quartz, then?
ELIAS: Somewhat, but much more intensified.
NUNO: Ah, I see. Okay. I wasn’t really clear on what effect your energy was having upon me, and… Okay. I’m glad that I asked that question.
Okay, here’s a question: The body consciousness, it’s a projection, it’s an energy projection just like every other objective thing in my objective reality. So, I was wondering about that in altering the body consciousness, let us say, for the purpose of regeneration, for example. Why is it that the body consciousness requires so much time for regeneration or anything else? I mean, there’s biological processes involved and things like that, but on the other hand, it’s just a projection.
ELIAS: It’s a projection, but it is also living matter, and it’s a very complex expression of living matter that incorporates many different systems, many different parts. And in this, what I would say is, it doesn’t always require a considerable amount of time. It depends on what it is that you are doing and how you are doing it. I would say that sometimes you can be engaging in an action and a direction with the body and you can be affecting of it immediately, and you can change something very quickly and dramatically. But it also depends on you, because this is the piece that is difficult, is that you are the body consciousness.
We speak about the body as if it were something else that you are engaging only because most people think in those terms and haven’t moved to the point yet of recognizing that there isn’t a separation, that they ARE their body or their body is them, it is a part of them. And in this, that is a part of why many expressions do incorporate time to manifest with the body, because people move in a direction of engaging the body as if it were something else in addition to themself, and that they are manipulating that in a capacity that is manipulating something else, not themself.
Now, even when you ARE moving in a direction of not generating that separation, there are other factors: there are factors of determination; there are factors of what you believe; there are factors of influences that you aren’t necessarily paying attention to. Regeneration is an excellent subject for that, because people move in the direction of wanting to be expressing regeneration, which is a natural process with the body, but their attention is simply on what the body is doing or how they are engaging with their body consciousness, and they aren’t paying attention to all of the other influences that are expressed all around them every day, constantly, that are moving in opposition to regeneration—everything that is associated with aging and what you believe about aging. And it doesn’t have to be about being older; it can be being expressed in relation to younger, and younger individuals or younger states.
And in that, regeneration is not reversing the aging process. It isn’t getting younger; it is simply engaging the natural function of the body to regenerate and to stop degenerating. In that, anything that you express or that is expressed around you in relation to age is an influence in relation to aging processes, and most people don’t pay much attention to all of that. And it doesn’t even have to be about people; it can be about anything.
Everything ages. And in that, you see the effect of degeneration all around you, but you don’t think about it. You don’t necessarily remind yourself in an evaluation what is involved with that. You see degeneration of life all around you in your grocery store, that you have what you think of as living produce, but it isn’t living anymore. It’s been harvested; therefore, it’s aging in relation to that harvesting process. It isn’t alive any longer. And in that, what it’s doing is it is degenerating. It’s decomposing in a very slow capacity—which, most decomposition IS very slow. But in that, you see it all around you, but you don’t consider it. You don’t consider the actual expression of that. You simply automatically, without even thinking about it, reinforce associations about aging and that aging creates degeneration—not only aging creates degeneration [but that] death creates degeneration. Many of the expressions around you are already dead and are degenerating.
In this, if you were actually paying attention and evaluating that, you would also be automatically reinforcing your expression of regeneration, because you would automatically be moving in opposition to those very familiar and automatic and societal expressions about degeneration and that it is actually almost entirely linked to aging, which is not actually entirely accurate.
NUNO: No, it’s not accurate at all. It’s simply an association, is it not?
ELIAS: Correct. Correct. And in that, I would say that this is a factor that definitely is interplaying in relation to taking time to engage the body consciousness in relation to a subject such as regeneration. You want to be engaging regeneration, and you are in some capacities, but then in some capacities you are expressing opposition to that. Therefore, it is a push-pull.
NUNO: So, what are my expressions of opposition?
ELIAS: Anything that agrees with, or doesn’t pay attention to, or automatically expresses in relation to aging processes, that aging degenerates and that youth generates. But I would say that realistically speaking, what you believe is that the degeneration process begins as soon as you are born.
NUNO: Yes. Yes. That’s what most people believe.
ELIAS: Therefore, in that, I would say that also every time you move in the direction of thinking or expressing in any capacity that regeneration is in any form a process of creating a reversal of age or being younger, then you also are moving in that opposition, because that’s not what it’s doing.
NUNO: Hm. That’s interesting. I mean, in terms of regeneration for myself, I am interested in altering my appearance.
ELIAS: And you can.
NUNO: I mean, I understand what you are saying in that, and that’s something for me to consider. Okay, I think I understand.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well.
NUNO: Okay. And how am I doing with that, by the way?
ELIAS: I would say that you are doing as well as can be expected. I would say that you likely will be doing more now.
NUNO: Okay.
ELIAS: Or be more effective now.
NUNO: Hm. Okay. And by “now” you mean because of the direction I’m moving in?
ELIAS: “Now” because of the questions you have asked, and “now” that you have different information to consider.
NUNO: Okay.
I want to change the subject to dreams. Now, Seth put a lot of emphasis on dreams in what he wrote. You rarely speak about them unless somebody specifically asks you. So, I guess my first question is, is it correct that the benefit of a dream is retained even if the individual does not recall the dream?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. Now, one particular theme that I’ve had for a considerable time in my dreams is that of an educational institution, a school of some kind, and what actually happens in that setting varies somewhat, but the theme is there and has been repeated many times. What’s the message there?
ELIAS: And your impression?
NUNO: My impression is that it has to do with my expansion.
ELIAS: I would say yes, but I would say that this is imagery that you present to yourself as a gauge, that you are generating that gauge of your movement, of your development, and you do that—that assessment, in a manner of speaking—through those types of dreams.
NUNO: Okay. In my engaging… No, let’s ask a different question: In terms of my body weight, usually I tend to try and maintain it around 170, 175 or so. Is there such a thing as an ideal body weight for me, or something that I should maintain it at?
ELIAS: I would say, actually, that you are within the range. And yes, that people do incorporate an ideal body weight, which is generally what the body will automatically settle in if you are maintaining the body properly, let us say. Therefore, if you are incorporating a proper diet for your body—and each individual is different—but whatever it is that maintains your body consciousness, and whatever movement and exercise—in not formal capacity but simply moving—that your body requires, that would automatically generate your usual ideal weight. And it would generally be within, I would say, a 10- to 15-pound range. And in that, you are directly in the middle.
NUNO: Oh. Oh, that’s good. (Elias laughs)
Okay. A question on projected energy: When we talk about energy, we talk about… Like my energy, it’s not the same kind of energy as objective energy— or is it? I guess that’s really the question. In other words, we talk about, in terms of objective energy, things like thermal energy, electrical energy, gravitational or potential energy, all of that, but then when we talk about the energy of consciousness, that’s something else. Is there a way to objectively detect that kind of energy?
ELIAS: But that isn’t something else, because consciousness is everything, and therefore every type of energy IS consciousness.
Now, I do understand the distinction that you’re making.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
And in that, what I would say to you is another type of energy, other than those energies that you mentioned that you can measure, would be any energy of essence, because that would be the energy, basically, of consciousness, because there is no separation. Therefore essence, in a manner of speaking, IS consciousness. In that, you can measure that also, to a degree, in relation to energy fields. That would be the energy that would be the representation, in a manner of speaking, in physical reality of consciousness.
NUNO: Energy fields.
ELIAS: Everything has an energy field—everything. There is nothing in physical reality that doesn’t have an energy field; therefore, that would be the, I would say, measurable expression of consciousness.
NUNO: Okay. Well, I’d like to get more information on that, but we’re out of time.
Okay, well, thank you. I want to express to you my appreciation for everything that you do to assist me.
ELIAS: You are exceptionally welcome, my friend, and I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting.
I extend to you tremendous love and great encouragement and supportiveness, as always. In dear friendship, au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour)
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