Influencing Reality by Adjusting Vibrational Qualities
Topics:
Session 202105191
“The Symbolism of Quality Purchases”
“Comparison”
“Teaching versus Instructing”
“Influencing Reality by Adjusting Vibrational Qualities”
“Songs and the Expressions of Remembrance”
“Expressing the Wonder of What You Are”
Wednesday, May 19, 2021 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Markus (Markus)
“Another individual…could actually adjust the vibrational quality of the energy that they themself are expressing, and could conceivably adjust the vibrational quality of the energy around them that they themselves are engaging…. Through that action of changing the vibrational quality of the energy in that atmosphere, they could be influencing other people in that environment, and those people might accept that change of the vibrational quality of the energy, and it could affect them dramatically. It is possible, because the vibrational quality is simply a direction; it creates a direction for the energy…
“It is amazing what you can accomplish, what you can experience. And the more self-aware you become, the greater appreciation you have for what you are doing and where you are, rather than moving in the direction of the idea of that you are so far removed from what you actually are; and in that, being able to move in the direction of expressing the wonder of what you are, wherever you are, and therefore not only an expression of empowerment, my friend, but an unbelievable expression of creativity.”
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
MARKUS: Good nowness, Rastin! [1] (Elias chuckles) Good to speak to you again.
ELIAS: And you also. And what shall we discuss?
MARKUS: Actually, I have no idea. I just wanted to have a chat with you. I think I signaled to myself that it was time for another conversation, so I would be tempted to say you called me, so here I am. (Elias laughs) But I think I called me, so here I am.
ELIAS: Ah, excellent. (Laughs) Then I would ask you, what have you been engaging?
MARKUS: I have been engaging in a ton of small things, and leading up to the session I’m always making a list, not quite a plan but a collection of possible topics. Probably we should have, or I should just imagine having sessions more often, and then it won’t even be necessary to have an actual session because the recollection of what I have actually done is something beneficial already. Because I kind of would have said, “I’ve done nothing,” but when I started my list I found a ton of things which I have already forgotten. (Elias laughs)
But I think one of the reasons why I don’t know what we are going to talk about is because, unlike with the last sessions where there have been, let’s say, outstanding experiences, there have been a lot of small experiences, like the daily nitty gritty, which kind of are all tied into each other—which I think is the point with all the interconnectedness.
ELIAS: I agree.
MARKUS: But which also makes it harder to pick out one that I want to about. So I want to talk about them all and see what topics of interest crystallize from there.
ELIAS: Very well.
MARKUS: One interesting thing is that I’ve been buying not quite a ton of things but a couple of things, mostly tools. One in particular was an impact drill, an electric impact drill to loosen or tighten screws when working on a vehicle. And this is kind of a curious purchase, because on the one hand I don’t actually need this tool; I have use for it maybe two times a year, probably three, and I can also do it manually, which is something that I usually do. Normally, in many cases or in many areas I prefer even to do things manually and not by powered tools. And with this thing I first considered buying an inexpensive version because I don’t need it that often, and finally what happened is that I was buying basically a professional impact drill which usually professional car shops would have or buy because they’re using it day in and day out, and the cheaper ones, they break over time. And this was kind of a gradual process, but when I finally bought it and used it even once, it gave me a really deep sense of satisfaction. And interestingly enough, the fact alone that I possess it gives me some kind of satisfaction, which I find, well, satisfactory but also a bit curious.
And I did the same with a telephone. We’re now talking through a new telephone and headset. I hope this will lead to even more clarity in our conversation, although I wasn’t really lacking clarity. So this was also a, let’s say, unnecessary purchase which I like nonetheless.
And there have been other such things, like I purchased new whetstones for my kitchen knives—which for these at least I think I understand the imagery, because it has this symbolism or analogy of honing something with finer and finer grain, which is an analogy which I had been using already with my attention skills and noticing, etc. But the purchasing of tools has been one kind of puzzling but satisfying experience since we last spoke.
ELIAS: I would say that it is a significant metaphor, because I would say that, in addition to the surface layer of purchasing these whether they were necessary or not, I would say that addressing to simply that layer is a matter of you allowing yourself to do something, purchase something that you want that you don’t have to justify because you need it, and therefore in that, giving yourself that expression of deserving.
And now if you move beyond the surface layer, then I would say that it is even more significant because it is symbolic or metaphoric. Because in this, what you are doing is you are creating a physical action to mirror what you are doing inwardly, that you are generating and acquiring more and new tools to be expressing more efficiency, more ease in everything that you are doing. And in that, just as with physical tools, some of your expressional tools, or your inner tools, you may not use constantly. You may only require using them occasionally. It may be that you only use them once or twice a year, but you have them, and therefore you CAN use them. And in that, I would say that some tools you may actually acquire and you might not ever use them, but if you generate certain actions, you have them, therefore you CAN use them. And in that, this is, in a manner of speaking, building your inner tool box and having the tools that are important even if you don’t create experiences that you require a need to use them.
MARKUS: Yeah. That makes a lot of sense, because I mean one aspect is clearly the deservingness, like typically—I think someone mentioned that in the last group session or in one of the sessions… It wasn’t the group session, it was Jean (Lyla), about hoarding money.
ELIAS: Yes.
MARKUS: And I’m a money hoarder. This has to do with my past, when I didn’t have money. It also has to do with that I’m seeing the amount of money as some kind of gauge for success. Like I have joked in the past, and it’s only half joking, that my bank account balance is like the score on a pinball machine. And I’m doing it not just for the money itself, although it affords me certain feelings or sensations of safety or possibilities, like you say with the tool that I have and don’t even need, but I know that I have it when I need it, and money is a similar tool for me. But I’m going a bit overboard with that, like even thinking about buying a $400 power drill shouldn’t be a monetary decision for someone with as much money as I have, but it is. And I managed to follow my impulses or instincts to purchase it anyway, and this is an achievement on many levels—let’s say a subtle achievement, an unimportant… and it’s not unimportant, it’s just a subtle thing (sighs) like… Yeah, subtle but important.
ELIAS: Yes, I agree. And in that, I would say that you are outwardly mirroring what you are doing inwardly, that a considerable amount of work that you have done and that you continue to practice is paying off in generating tools that you have inwardly and that you can use when you need them.
But: in this, I would say that that also is another expression of evidencing that deserving piece, that you are doing because you deserve, and therefore in that, you are generating movement in a direction that will ultimately be displayed in expressions such as holding onto money and having that holdover for security and as a result of not having money previously, very similar to an individual that is very careful about what they eat because at one point they were overweight and they are afraid of expressing that again. But in that, eventually you move in a direction in which you begin to express that deserving piece, that you don’t have to be careful, you don’t have to express in certain directions, because you begin to realize that you can trust yourself because you deserve—and that you don’t have to earn it; you simply deserve because you are.
And I would say that purchasing an expensive tool that you will only use occasionally is an excellent example not only of the mirror image but also of that deserving piece, that you don’t have to justify.
MARKUS: Yeah. I’m kind of still tempted even to justify, but those are… Let’s say there are multiple facets about it. Like even some of those tools I’m buying, I know I will probably own for the rest of my life, like—
ELIAS: You will. And you will.
MARKUS: And two times a year in the rest of my life is a lot of times of use, and I will be happy every time when I take it in my hand. I have similar tools which I’ve bought ten or twenty years ago which I still have and which basically at some point, if I do this with all my tools, whatever I take into my hand has this incredible high quality and it lasts. And even if I take environmental issues into consideration, like use of material and things, these things last a lot longer than cheaper ones that get thrown away, so in total lifetime it’s not an expensive instrument, maybe even a better deal. But I’m aware that I’m even now in this explanation kind of justifying, it’s still justifying that it’s a sensible thing to do instead of just buying it and being happy with it.
ELIAS: (Laughs) But I would say to you that even in that, you can, in the justification, also see the metaphor.
MARKUS: Yes, yes. And I especially can see that tool aspect with the inner tools.
ELIAS: Yes.
MARKUS: I was talking with Mary before the session about her adventure with the dog and how in the aftermath she was applying, like in the moment when she felt the experience coming up again, caught herself and was calming herself with basically being present in this moment and not being washed away. We have talked about this like a hundred times with my exercise in clarity and the attention and the noticing. And this… yeah, this is something where I’m coming to the whetstone and the honing, where I’m increasingly improving my skills and having a set of tools available in conversations where it becomes more and more second nature—or even first nature—to catch myself when I feel the slightest rise of irritation or annoyance or whatever it may be. And actually then, unlike before, I don’t have to pick the situation apart in order to understand what to do or what it entails, but it’s becoming more and more natural to just catch those situations, see what I’m doing and then changing something through my attention. And this is certainly even more powerful than a Makita power drill.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would be expressing a tremendous congratulations to you, my friend. And I would also express a significant encouragement to you in relation to your acquisition of the physical tools. (Laughs)
MARKUS: On a similar kind of note, I have been finding myself watching YouTube videos of people who, let’s say… Let me try to find the common denominator there. I haven’t thought about it yet. (Pause) I would be tempted to say people who have mastered a skill, but it’s also people who diligently and with obvious satisfaction display it. Like there’s someone who as a sport picks locks, who is an absolute master in what he’s doing, and there’s another guy who is restoring old tools, like a rusty blowtorch or welding iron which he found from wherever he found it and restores it as almost new. Or there’s a person who is making knives from the most unlikely materials, and he’s honing them to sharpness that you wouldn’t suspect, or he buys a $1 knife and makes it as sharp as a $500 knife.
These people are displaying skills, and they obviously enjoy what they are doing—this is the word which I have been looking for. And they have their tools—like the guy who makes the knives, he inspired me to buy certain whetstones, and the guy with the lock picking, he inspired me to… I had tried lock-picking sports earlier, a few years back, and he inspired me to also buy some higher-quality lock picks and try this again. I can see the metaphor or symbolism in that also because I’m developing my skills and I’m enjoying being more and more able to apply them. The only thing that’s a little sad is that I’ll never be able to make a YouTube video about how I move my attention, because it’s all happening, like, inwardly. (Chuckles)
ELIAS: (Laughs) Although I would say that you could; it would simply be a matter of being imaginative, for it is a matter of developing an imaginative skill in how to explain what you’re doing. And in that, you don’t necessarily have to entirely demonstrate—although sometimes you could, but you don’t have to, that all you have to do is hone your skill at explaining.
MARKUS: Hm. That is a very good suggestion, especially since I have been a teacher in an earlier time of my life and I have always enjoyed teaching.
ELIAS: Precisely.
MARKUS: I had just still, when it comes to this material, avoided it mostly because—we’ve talked about this already also—because it always includes the risk of instructing, and I’m very susceptible to that risk, trying to instruct people. And this is leading nicely into a topic which I want to address anyway. One of the things as part of this process of widening awareness and accepting beliefs is that I’m meticulously trying to avoid everything that has the slightest trace of discounting, even in camouflaged forms. So, this will be an interesting conundrum, trying to teach without being instructing.
ELIAS: Ah! I would say that it may be an excellent practice.
MARKUS: Uh-huh. But one of the points which this leads to, it’s not quite a thing that I’ve been doing but it’s a word or a topic which has occurred a couple of times and one thing I would really like to move beyond. I already hear you saying there is nothing like moving beyond and it’s a choice within that moment every time, but one of the things I would like to get, quote, “rid of” is comparison in all of its camouflaged forms. I mean, I know the basics, like when you compare yourself to someone else, even if the comparison ends out favorably for yourself it’s still discounting. And I think it was in one of the sessions I’ve read, it occurred to me that there’s even comparison within myself over time.
ELIAS: Oh yes!
MARKUS: And this is something I hadn’t even noticed. I mean, when I read it, it hit me like a brick. Like comparing our sessions, comparing what had happened in the weeks before the last session, was the time, quote, “better?” and there’s the attachment. And also kinds of comparison between tools, like when I buy a tool I begin to compare, and there is like a…
Okay, with the tools I see some sense in that, like some tools have features that I like and that I don’t need. But also the comparison over time or within this forum, this is something that annoys me within myself quite a lot, the times when I read one of the sessions and compare my progress to the person which has the session or which asks the question. This is something that I really, really want (sighs), yeah, to get over with and be done, because it feels… I don’t even know how it feels, and I don’t even really know why I’m doing it. Within teaching and wanting to teach because I know something, quote, “better” than someone else, and I know of course there’s the straight little sapling, but that’s like a nice entangled ball of yarn that I’m trying to untangle. And maybe this is a good opportunity to… either just cut it in half like the Gordian knot, or just pull a few strings from that.
ELIAS: Very well.
Now; what I would say to you first is, the first piece is that comparison stems from you not being satisfied with something about yourself. Therefore, the first piece is to look at those things, those expressions, those subjects that you aren’t necessarily satisfied with yourself, and looking at why. Because sometimes, actually, individuals compare because they look at the expression of someone else as something that they admire and that they like but which they themselves don’t do naturally. And in that, this is the first piece. It is being able to look at your own expression and see that as acceptable because it’s you—that you can like something else, you can like what someone else does, you can like different types of expressions, but then it is a matter of looking at that from a perspective of how YOU do it.
Now, let me give you a very simple example. Let us say hypothetically that you see another individual and you observe their behavior, and that the other individual has a quality about them that you perceive as genuinely kind, that how they express themselves is in a genuinely kind manner, and you like that quality and you want to express that quality also. But—you compare yourself, because you automatically express to yourself, in your own perception, that you don’t do that, that you’re not a genuinely kind person, that what the other individual is doing, that is the appearance of a genuinely kind person; that even if they don’t like something, or even if they disagree with something, that they don’t discount the individual that is expressing it.
And in that, you look at your own behavior and you think to yourself, “I have a judgment. The other person doesn’t have a judgment; I do, and that’s not kind.” But let me express, this is the first piece, is that it is a matter of looking at what it is that you’re comparing. What is it that someone else does that you’re comparing yourself to? Or looking at an idea, such as the idea of instructing versus teaching—and in that, it doesn’t even have to be an expression of another person, it could simply be a concept—that you have the judgment of yourself that you don’t do whatever it is that you’re comparing with, or that you don’t do it consistently or you don’t do it enough.
In that, it is a matter of stopping and re-evaluating from a different angle, evaluating from the angle of what is the concept that you are looking at—such as instructing, or let us say, using our example of kindness—looking at what you present to yourself as your example of what you want to be. And then looking at what you do and how you do it, because you might not actually be expressing contrary. You might be actually expressing kindness, but in YOUR expression. You may be expressing at times judgments, but you might not be expressing them outwardly. You may be aware that expressing them outwardly would be unkind, and therefore you don’t do it, but you express that judgment of yourself that you judged it to begin with. The person that has the expression of kindness that you admire likely also has their own judgment; they simply aren’t expressing it outwardly, very similar to yourself. But they may express somewhat differently, because they aren’t you. You aren’t them.
Therefore, in that, I would say that it is a matter of looking at yourself and what you do and how you do it, and then recognizing that what you do is acceptable also; it is simply different than what you are setting as a standard.
MARKUS: Mostly I think these days I’m setting standards within myself.
ELIAS: Precisely. And that is… I was using an example that includes another individual because it is easy to see, but in this, I would say that yes, you can be setting standards in relation to a concept or an idea, that this the manner in which you should be expressing.
MARKUS: Ah, that’s the “should” word, yeah. I was using it already, leading into my explanation.
ELIAS: Yes. And in that, what you are doing is you’re comparing yourself or your expression to a standard, and in that, not giving yourself credit that you may be expressing in the manner that you want, you simply are doing it differently than what the standard is, and therefore you aren’t recognizing that you are actually expressing in an acceptable manner, and that how you express what you want to be expressing is likely already acceptable, because you ARE paying attention—because you aren’t only expressing automatically, because you ARE aware of what you’re doing and you ARE practicing, and therefore in that, you likely wouldn’t be instructing.
And in that, how can you discern whether you are teaching or whether you are instructing? That is not as difficult as you might think. I would say that the simplest indicator is that when you are instructing, you don’t listen. Therefore, when you are instructing, you are moving in the direction of only one expression, one direction, that whatever it is that you are attempting to teach, it can only be accomplished in one manner, and if it is not accomplished in that manner, then the person is wrong. And that the listening piece is expressed when someone isn’t necessarily following your direction entirely, but that they may be expressing somewhat differently and perhaps even asking, “If I do this in this manner, is it still accomplishing the same outcome?” and you aren’t listening and expressing, “No. You have to it in this manner.” But if you ARE listening then you aren’t instructing; if you ARE listening and you are considering that you are giving guidelines, but they are precisely that, you are teaching guidelines, and in that, they can be expressed in different manners. Other individuals can interpret what you are expressing in a different capacity and they can be accomplishing the same action, the same goal.
In this, you are listening to what they are doing, and in that, you either will acknowledge them in how they are accomplishing it, or you will acknowledge part of it and then you will make other suggestions. In this, teaching is an art form.
MARKUS: I know.
ELIAS: And in that, what is artful about teaching is that the teacher is aware that they are learning in relation to the students, that they don’t know everything and that there is always the opportunity for the teacher to learn with the student, because the student may present a different avenue of how to accomplish something. And in that, the student shares that with the teacher, and the teacher then learns also.
MARKUS: Hm. I’ve learned that in my first career when I was teaching programming. And I think one of the factors with teaching your material is I have… or many people, me included, have a tendency to evangelize, to bring the stuff to the people, or seeing someone and trying to explain how to do it better. And one of the things that I’ve learned from that is to… the way I put it is, I’m no longer answering questions which haven’t been asked. So…
ELIAS: Ah, yes. That is another very significant point.
MARKUS: Because let’s say in quite simplified form, if someone is happy with their life, there is no need for me to meddle with that. And if feel the urge to meddle, then it’s clear or it’s obvious that I am instructing, because I’m judging their expression as not acceptable or less than acceptable and wanting to fix that. And this is something that I’ve, quote, “mastered” in 99% of the cases, that I’m not bringing advice to the table if it hasn’t been asked. Sometimes I do it when I have the feeling that it’s really important, and then I do it only one or two times and then I let it rest. Sometimes the person actually listens, and then I know that I’ve probably been nudged toward providing input that they didn’t even know that they could ask for. And in some cases I just find that I was obviously judging and discounting the person, thinking that they couldn’t do it as “good,” quote, as I could. And this is also like this honing process, how to approach myself and others in any kind of shared experience or even if I just hear about an experience.
ELIAS: I understand and I agree, but what I would say to you is that because you ARE paying so much attention, my friend, and you ARE honing your skills, I would say that at this point it is a matter of first, trusting yourself, and next, enjoying yourself.
MARKUS: Hm. That is a challenge. That ties into your group session.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would say that in this, if you move in the direction of teaching and you are enjoying yourself, you don’t have to worry about instructing.
MARKUS: Mm-hm.
Let me bridge into what is almost the next logical step, although we have talked about logic already and there is not just one logical step. I’ve read a session which you had with Rodney where he was talking about this person from Hawaii who does his own version of their ho’oponopono system, which usually is used to resolve family conflict, and he is making a spiritual, almost Zen-like system from that. This session led me to watch a few videos where he’s doing an interview, and the word that I would like to bring up here is responsibility. The previous word was comparison, and one of the words I’m coming back to recently is responsibility. One thing that was impressive was how radical this person is in his idea of him being responsible for everything that appears within his awareness.
When I follow his teachings a bit further, it goes a little bit too far into belief system territory for me, like Eastern belief systems with the mind is bad and thoughts should be avoided, etc. But his basic idea, he brings up this example that he was hired to be director of a mental institution which had been previously, before he was hired, completely out of control—so far out of control, he describes it, that the energy there, the atmosphere and the whole energy was like even paint was peeling from the wall and a coffeemaker wouldn’t work, so bad was it with people being restrained and everything. And he said he approached every situation that when he observes something, he asks himself—and Rodney has discussed this with you already—what in what he calls data, which in my understanding mostly he understands as in his memory or in his personality, which mostly results from memory, brings him into this situation, and if he clears up the data the whole situation will clear. What I found absolutely impressive is that this was basically… I mean, I’ve read this from you it must have been hundreds of times, that a person is only responsible to self, but it’s the first time I observed someone else express this in such a radical way.
In another interview he describes that if people with illnesses come to him he clears it up within himself, and then the person can go away and in most of the cases the problem for the other person is also solved. I just want to share that I find this incredibly impressive and that this is one of the tools that I’m already engaging in honing or developing. Maybe there is something you can add to that?
ELIAS: I would say that if you are looking at this type of expression from the perspective of your responsibility to you, then you have tremendous power, because I would say that when you are expressing the responsibility to you, then you are generating choices in relation to you and your energy.
Now, let me say something to you in this, that I don’t generally engage in this direction because it is so easily distorted in relation to metaphysic beliefs, but: everything incorporates energy. Energy is an actual thing, and energy is expressed and created by consciousness. It is a thing that is created from no thing.
Now; in that, there is an expression that is not actually a thing but it can be produced into a thing, which is identified as vibration—vibrational qualities.
Now; energy is a force, in a manner of speaking, similar to electricity. It is a physical force. Vibration, or vibrational qualities, are the direction that is used in relation to energy. Vibration is a directing expression; therefore, it determines the direction of energy, and it can be used in any form of direction. Therefore it can be inward, it can be outward, it can be manifest, it can be simply projected—it can be expressed in countless, countless manners.
An excellent example of that would be color or music. These are energy expressions that are coupled with vibrational qualities that make them truths, because of the vibrational quality and how that energy is being directed. With some energies, some energies are flexible and therefore can be incorporated with vibrational qualities in many different capacities, which then allows them to be expressed in any area of consciousness, which then designates them as a truth.
What has this to do with (chuckles) what you were discussing? You expressed that one example of this individual expressing that if they are generating a certain energy that someone else can come to them with something dysfunctional, and that if the individual is expressing directing their own energy in a particular manner, that the other individual will leave differently.
Now, let me express to you, there is a difference between creating someone else’s reality—which you don’t—and influencing reality, which you do. And, as I have expressed many times previously, you all automatically express a type of automatic cooperation in certain capacities, which is the reason that you create shared expressions. Therefore, you see basically the same trees as hundreds of other people. You see the same buildings in your community—or practically the same buildings—as thousands of people in your community. This is because you cooperate with each other in relation to how you influence each other.
Now; in that, people do this constantly. You are constantly influencing each other and allowing that to happen. And you don’t have to have an objective agreement to do it, because you have that automatic agreement, for the most part, simply by participating in physical focus with each other, in a physical reality with each other.
Therefore: in that, in certain situations, individuals may be in a particular expression, a particular situation, and they may not be comfortable and they may not be happy and they may not want to be there, such as a psychiatric facility. And in that, they also are automatically, IN that facility, wanting someone to help them. Therefore, in that, they don’t have to be objectively asking for help; the factor that they are unhappy, uncomfortable and don’t want to be there is in itself somewhat of a request for help.
Now, in that, another individual—such as this individual—could actually walk into that environment and could actually adjust the vibrational quality of the energy that they themself are expressing, and could conceivably adjust the vibrational quality of the energy around them that they themselves are engaging.
Now, in that, they are not necessarily directly engaging any specific individual. They are not creating the reality of any other individual, and they are not creating the choices of any other individual. But they could actually conceivably, through that action of changing the vibrational quality of the energy in that atmosphere, they could be influencing other people in that environment, and those people might accept that change of the vibrational quality of the energy, and it could affect them dramatically. It is possible, because the vibrational quality is simply a direction; it creates a direction for the energy.
MARKUS: One thing: As I said, what has impressed me most was the radical way he did this. Even in an interview, one of the interviewers [was] asking him, the ho’oponopono practitioner, about themselves, and he told them, “I am not interested in you. I am only interested in me”—like even in an interaction he just wanted to, quote, “clean up” his purposes or his energy or his vibration in relation to the other person. And if the other person swings in or not, that doesn’t, quote, “interest” him so much.
And I think in this mental institution, the way I would interpret that as an analogy is that basically every person has a whole set of tuning forks within them, and each tuning fork representing, let’s say, a mental state for simplicity, like aggressiveness or contentment or something. And if you have an institution like that where everybody’s just on auto response, you could get the whole institution, each tuning onto each other, to discounting and aggressiveness and something like that.
And if then someone like this person, who is very skilled at maintaining his own state, can look at these things and see aggressiveness but not automatically respond to it in [the] form of matching it but making kind of an effort towards an energy of acceptingness, and this person is really powerful, it’s like you come to a room full of tuning forks and bring a large bell. And if you ring the bell, all the tuning forks will automatically fall into the same frequency as the large bell, except if some of the forks, like some of the persons in the analogy, make the conscious effort to not accept this frequency.
But I find it (sighs)… Yeah, as I said, I found it impressive. And this is another form. He was expressing this radical responsibility to self, and I was falling kind of in response or in tune with what he is expressing, and I’m trying to express that quality myself now also.
ELIAS: I understand, and I agree. And this is what I am expressing to you in offering you an explanation, in a manner of speaking, of what the mechanics are of that action, and in that, expressing how YOU are affecting, because you have an influence, and it is about you being responsible to you. Because through your responsibility to you, then you are paying attention to how you are directing that energy.
MARKUS: And that is basically the only energy I have power over.
ELIAS: Yes. And you are paying attention to and manipulating the direction of YOUR energy. And in doing so, then that ripples outward and creates a situation in which it is influencing of anything and everything in that environment, in YOUR environment. And it isn’t simply affecting of people—it’s affecting of everything.
MARKUS: Hm. (Pause) It’s been also a powerful example to show that these things that you explain or teach pop up in all kinds of places.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I agree, yes—in everything.
MARKUS: Okay, let me see…
ELIAS: Because everything is interconnected, my friend. (Both laugh)
MARKUS: Yes, it is.
Let me go back to… (Pause) Some of the YouTube videos I’ve been watching were about music, mostly singers, mostly people who sing together, either a university chorus or there’s a new thing where people sing together over their phones where they’re in different places and their phones synchronize that. One of the fads there is they’re singing sea shanties, like old sea people songs that were sung by workers on the ships, and I’ve had one choir which is singing Irish music, but I have had other music also like pop music. This happened mostly while I was reading the “Oversoul Seven” book, and what this had in common was that there were situations and they were recurring, and they were even happening leading up to sessions with you which I then didn’t have because Mary didn’t have time or whatever.
And these, through intense responses from me, something… to put it simply, some kind of homesickness, they are even… There’s one song, “Salisbury Hill,” from, I think, Peter Gabriel where he said, “’Son,’ he said, ‘Grab your things, I’ve come to take you home,’” which is a direct reference to home. And also in the “Oversoul Seven” book there were several situations which when I read them I had (pause) like an intense longing for home. I don’t know; I would superficially with the sea shanty songs say it’s like a remembrance of, quote, “happier” lives, but I think it goes much, much, much, much deeper, like remembering even essence.
ELIAS: Yes. I very much agree. (Pause) I would be expressing congratulations, my friend. That is actually an expression of remembrance. (Pause)
MARKUS: And it’s accompanied by a feeling, or… Feeling may be the right word, or a sense of becoming aware, remembering or being… What word do I use here? Of beginning to understand how far from home we are in this world, like some kind of “What the hell? Why are we doing this objective reality in this form?” Like how are we, let’s say, quote—big, big quotes--“abusing” ourselves so much in this world when where we are coming from is so beautiful.
ELIAS: But in that, my dear friend, it is also the opportunity to employ that IN your physical reality, because you ARE that. Therefore, it isn’t that that can’t be, or that it is such a question of why are you doing this when you come from that, but more so the realization—after THAT realization—of remembering that this is what you ARE. Therefore, it isn’t about WHERE you are—it’s about being WHAT you are.
MARKUS: I mean, when I’m coming back from these moments I can rationalize the rest and can also… Like we said a few sessions ago, eternal bliss is overrated. (Elias laughs) When that is all that you have, the novelty of this experience, I think I can see. I mean with all the focuses I have, I know I love this planet, this world, this dimension with all its madness (Elias chuckles) and atrocities and wonderful experiences.
ELIAS: I agree. And I would say that in that, it is amazing what you can accomplish, what you can experience. And the more self-aware you become, the greater appreciation you have for what you are doing and where you are, rather than moving in the direction of the idea of that you are so far removed from what you actually are; and in that, being able to move in the direction of expressing the wonder of what you are, wherever you are, and therefore not only an expression of empowerment, my friend, but (chuckles) an unbelievable expression of creativity.
MARKUS: Well, I’m glad I have a few tools at hand and perspectives of moving towards that. And I’ve probably—no, not probably—I’m rather sure that I’m showing myself, or have shown myself, all these glimpses as some kind of motivation or direction to move to, because even then with all my awareness and everything, I wouldn’t say that these experiences make me outright suicidal, but it makes you think. And so I think I’ve waited with showing me these glimpses all those years, because I now at least know where the tools are and what I need to do to move towards that. Because otherwise, (chuckles) I’m not sure what I would have done in the past, seeing this and knowing it’s in the beyond and asking yourself, “What the hell am I doing here?”
ELIAS: (Laughs) And I would say that most individuals move to that point first, to the point of that question: “What the hell am I doing?” (Laughs) And then you move to the point in which you begin to actually objectively see who and what you are. And at THAT point, then you can see what you are capable of, because then you can actually see and appreciate that this is who and what you are and it doesn’t matter WHERE you are.
MARKUS: Hm. Yeah, this leads back to the kind of comparison. I mean, you can compare each moment, each normal day, to those moments—that was what initially led me to the comparison—compare weeks where I perceive myself to have a better grasp or better control over my attention than other weeks, but then I look a little closer and I see… (sighs)
It’s like with the lock picking. There are easy locks and there are harder locks, and once you go to the harder locks, all your skills are gone because they were just like fair-weather sailing. And then I begin to appreciate my, quote, “lack of success” on some days because it’s in relation to what I present myself with, and that it’s one thing to be able to hold attention for twenty minutes while I’m walking and nothing happens except that maybe a bicycle passes me, and trying to do the same in a supermarket where there are announcements and people and flashy things, so there is no reasonable comparison between those situations.
ELIAS: Precisely.
MARKUS: And also it’s not healthy to compare our lives, even the best moments of this life, to essence, like not compare with a “should” in between, like my life “should” be like that. I mean, I can remember it and I can see this is where I want to move towards, but this is why I started the conversation with the comparison topic because in a way it’s so destructive.
ELIAS: I agree. I very much agree. And I would say to you, my friend, that in the expression of recognizing what you are, what you’re doing, who you are, and then looking at where you are, I would say that you present yourself with challenges to keep yourself interested and to move in directions of what you can do more; therefore, not presenting a ceiling to yourself or an end, but that there’s never an end to what you can accomplish and what—
MARKUS: Yes, that’s one of the other destructive things, thinking there will be a point where I have it done. And I’ve heard it and said it a thousand times that you never get it done, and then I catch myself (laughs) again that I think, “You had mastered this already, now why is it getting harder?”
ELIAS: (Laughs) Because if it wasn’t, then there would be no challenge. Think about music, my friend. Think about learning music.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
And in that, you begin with simple compositions, and as you become more accomplished you move on to more and more and more difficult compositions. Why? Because there is the challenge.
MARKUS: Mm-hm. It’s because it’s more interesting, of course.
ELIAS: Yes!
MARKUS: Otherwise we would still play the first practice on one drum, or play two tones or whatever, yeah.
ELIAS: Precisely.
MARKUS: It’s just the interim (laughs) is sometimes… Yeah. These are sometimes moments where I’m forgetting what I already know.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And that is the reason that we engage conversation.
MARKUS: (Laughs) Yeah. (Elias laughs) And I very much appreciate that.
ELIAS: To simply remind you of what you are doing.
MARKUS: Yeah. And of course, as I’ve also said a couple of times, I have no idea what I’m doing but it’s a lot of fun—some of the time. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Excellent. (Laughs)
MARKUS: Okay. Let’s wrap this up for today.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting, my dear friend, and I shall be expressing my energy in support and encouragement every step. (Chuckles)
MARKUS: There will be many, many steps so there will be much support, and I very much appreciate it. (Elias laughs) And I even think that the purchase of my new tool of the new telephone clarified our conversation or interaction considerably, and even—
ELIAS: I agree. (Laughs)
MARKUS: — and even, quote, “just” if it’s because not of the technique or technology but because it represents something inwardly that is also to be appreciated.
ELIAS: I agree. And I express tremendous, tremendous encouragement to you, my friend.
MARKUS: Thank you very much. Until next time.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. And I agree, until next time, in exquisite love to you and dear friendship as always, au revoir.
MARKUS: Au revoir, my friend.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 32 minutes)
[1] Rastin is a name that Elias had chosen originally, but Mary wanted to change it so they went with Elias. In the early days, some people from the original group also called him Rastin.
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