Session 202105081

What Is Your Greatest Challenge?


Session 202105081
“What Is Your Greatest Challenge?”
“Generating a New Direction”
“Fantasy, Imagination and Inspiration”
“Being Responsible to Only You”
“Taking an Intentional Step”
“Taking Uncomfortable Steps in Expansion”
“New Directions to a New Normal”
“Speaking Communicates Information that Thinking Can Process”
“Vaccination Choices Based on Ease”
“Neutrally Echoing Beliefs”

Saturday, May 8, 2021 (Group/Hinsdale, New Hampshire)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Ann (Vivette), Christina (Melian), Denise (Azura), Eric (Doren), Jean (Lyla), John (Lonn), John (Rrussell), Karen (Turell), Lynda (Ruther), Mark (Liam) Melissa (Leah), Michael C., Sandra (Atafah), Val (Atticus) and Veronica (Amadis)

“This period of time now is very new. This period of time now is moving in a direction that is genuine freedom—what you haven’t given yourself before, what you haven’t allowed yourself before, or what you haven’t known before. And therefore, in this time framework, this is all part of shifting. And in that, you are moving in new directions, new expansion in which anything that was normal before is somewhat restrictive; and you’re beginning to see the restrictions of normal, and you’re beginning to move outside of that normal and give yourselves the opportunity to move in something new and create a new normal which has much more freedom in it.”

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

GROUP: Good afternoon, Elias!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Now; this day, what I will present to you is the opportunity for each of you to share what you perceive presently is your greatest challenge. What would you express is something that you are not quite certain how to proceed with?

Now; let me also express to all of you that I would offer an acknowledgment to all of you, that most individuals recently have presented to themselves some type of obstacle. That doesn’t mean that it has been insurmountable or that you may not have moved past the obstacle, but that because you may have presented an obstacle to yourselves, you might think that you have changed your direction or that you have placed a damper on your accomplishments, which is not true. But in that, this will be an opportunity to share whatever you may be experiencing or what you may have experienced in recent time framework that seems to be some type of an obstacle, something that has presented a thickness or a difficulty for you that you simply would benefit from some clarity with.

VERONICA: You want to know ALL of it? (Group laughter) Like five, ten, fifteen?

ELIAS: (Laughs) A long list!

VERONICA: Yes, that’s right. That’s right. Many years, so it’s built up. Okay, I’ll go first.

ELIAS: Very well.

VERONICA: Developing trust in creating that which I want. Maybe I want a lot of things, like I would like to have all of them. I want to look at myself from the top of the mountain and say, “Wow! What a great life!” That’s what I would like, and I want to be recognized for doing that.

MARK: You deserve it.

VERONICA: Thank you, my darling. (Laughs) Yeah, that’s what I would like. So that I could say, “Wow! What I did, that’s fantastic.”

ELIAS: Very well. And what do you perceive stops you from doing that?

VERONICA: Me. My trust in myself to do it.

ELIAS: Define that more. What don’t you trust?

VERONICA: Ah. Like the physical things, some of the organs that are not working perfectly. Like, will I turn that situation to make myself well in every aspect? And like wonderful dreams, foretelling dreams. I see the only thing that is continuous is the night show that I see in my bedroom every night. I know I’m creating that. I would like to see that creativity during the day with my energy exchange, contacting with the essence that I know that I am, but I know that only academically or conceptually. I don’t recognize myself as essence. Maybe I recognized it once or twice, but I don’t see that as a part of my everyday life. I would like to walk around and say, “I am essence. I am wonderful. I can do great things.” I want to look at myself that way, and I don’t. It’s something I would like to say.

ELIAS: What I would say to you, as a suggestion, is move your attention. Stop concentrating on the things—the manifestations or the expressions—that you are frustrated with. Stop paying attention to those, and start paying attention to what you CAN do. Therefore, stop paying attention to what is frustrating you with your body that you don’t believe that you can fix. Stop paying attention to that temporarily. Stop paying attention to “I’m not generating the energy exchange that I want to, or in the manner that I want to.” Stop paying attention to those expressions, those actions, those manifestations that you’ve been so concentrated on for such a long time and that you simply keep looping with, and that you keep moving around and around and around, and you keep concentrating on those same things that you don’t believe you can do, or you don’t believe you can change, or you don’t believe you can be successful with. That keeps you in a trap, and you can’t actually accomplish in the manner that you want to, because you continuously stay in that loop of paying attention to what you can’t do or what you aren’t doing.

I will say to you again—and to everyone here—you always create more of what you pay attention to. Therefore, if you pay attention to “I can’t do this,” you create more “I can’t,” “I can’t,” “I can’t.” You multiply that.

So; choose a new direction. Choose something. It doesn’t matter what it is. Perhaps rearranging your house—not weeding in the garden.

VERONICA: (Laughs) Oh! Right.

ELIAS: But perhaps going through your closet, and actually taking everything out of your closet and actually looking at all of the things in your closet that you don’t use, that you don’t like, that you don’t want, and make them go away. And then look at what you DO like and what you DO want. Choose a day to engage one of your neighbors. Do something spontaneous. Engage one of your neighbors in a fashion of encouraging them in something. It doesn’t matter what it is. Bring them a cup of tea; it doesn’t matter what it is.


ELIAS: You long for community—make a community. You want an exchange—make an exchange. Be open. Be exchanging with other people, and that likely will be generating more openness to invite the essence that you want to exchange with. Use your meditations to invite other essences. Therefore, don’t be so concentrated in only one direction. Do something different. Stop concentrating on what you can’t do, stop concentrating on what you aren’t doing, and begin to move in directions of what you can do and what you can accomplish. And in that, reinforce yourself with that. Concentrate on what IS accomplishing rather than what isn’t accomplishing. And catch yourself every time you are slipping back into concentrating and paying attention to what isn’t working, and then do something different.


ELIAS: Very well.

VERONICA: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

MARK: What are the mechanics of moving your attention when it’s so engrained, other than the examples that you cited? To stop us from going back to the original.

ELIAS: It doesn’t always initially stop it. You may have to do that repeatedly, to move yourself out of what you’ve conditioned yourself with. Therefore, if you are very accustomed to moving in a certain direction or expressing in a certain manner, it doesn’t always initially generate entire success when you distract yourself or you do something different. You may have to do that repeatedly for a period of time, but eventually, it WILL change.

And in that, what is key is to be using your creativity and thinking about what do you want to do, and then think about how you could do that in a different manner. Such as, “I want to be engaging an energy exchange, but she has one direction with that.” Very well, think about how you could do an energy exchange with a different essence. Or think about some manner in which you can move in the direction of what you want, but not necessarily in the manner that you’ve been thinking, not necessarily in the way that you’ve been thinking previously, and then allow yourself to attempt a different action.

Or if you want something to change in relation to doing something different, or you want something to stop, rather than concentrating on what you want to stop, turn your attention to something that you want to start. Move your attention in a different direction entirely, in relation to something that you want to begin, and then focus on that beginning. Focus on how you can move forward in that.

MARK: Are you telling Veronica and the rest of us that we shouldn’t be disheartened if we still have that fallback to the original?

ELIAS: Definitely not. Yes, I am expressing that, because that is natural.

MARK: That’s to be expected.


MARK: For a considerable time framework, or is it…?

ELIAS: No. It depends.

MARK: Depending on the individual, and…?

ELIAS: No. It depends on how you are directing. It depends on what you are paying attention to. If you are determined and you are focusing on something different, and you keep catching yourself and you are focused on something different, and you can do that to a degree that you excite yourself, it’s not so difficult to keep the momentum of that excitement happening, even though you likely will fall back into those familiar expressions. You likely will have time frameworks in which you are discouraged or you are thinking that it’s not working. But if you have something that you can be generating that excitement with, that is important because that allows you to move in a direction of continuing that momentum, even when you have what you think of as setbacks. That’s natural, because you’ve had so much time that you have expressed so much energy in certain directions with.

But the more you can excite yourself with something different, something new, and the more you can engage yourself by acknowledging yourself—which, that is a key piece, because most people, even when they are accomplishing they aren’t acknowledging themselves. They are still focused on what they aren’t doing. They are still focusing on what isn’t enough. Even though they are accomplishing, even though they are BEING successful, they are still moving back in that direction of, “But I haven’t done this yet,” “But I haven’t accomplished that yet,” “But this isn’t entirely enough,” or “This isn’t finished.”

Therefore, in that, this piece is exceptionally important, that while you are generating that new direction, that new inspiration, that excitement, that you are acknowledging that repeatedly, on a daily basis: “I AM accomplishing,” “I DID do it,” “I AM doing it,” regardless of what it is. It doesn’t matter in your perception how small the accomplishment is, because it doesn’t matter how small the LACK of the accomplishment is. You acknowledge that, and you do it over and over and over and over and over again. If you did the acknowledgment of the accomplishment over and over and over again even half as much as you discount or you acknowledge what you AREN’T doing, there would be no stopping you!

MARK: So, the excitement, or the level of excitement, are an indicator or indicators that we’re going down the right path?

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree, because that is a significant indicator of what you are paying attention to, just as discouragement is a definite indicator of what you are paying attention to.

MARK: So pick a direction of excitement.

ELIAS: This is the key. You get to choose.

MARK: It’s a wonderful thing.

ELIAS: It is. You get to choose. You each, every one of you, gets to choose; it is simply a matter of doing it. And I express that although that is a simple concept, that doesn’t necessarily mean it is always easy to do it, and I acknowledge that, because you have so much time and experience in the opposite direction. And therefore, it can be challenging to pull yourself out of that and to move yourself in a new direction. And it can be challenging to keep paying attention to that new direction, because you automatically want to move in the direction of—

LYNDA: Familiar.

ELIAS: Yes, the familiar, because you BELIEVE that.

MARK: Stop looking at the elephant standing on my foot—not so easy.

ELIAS: Because you BELIEVE the elephant is standing on your foot. Yes. Yes. And you’re correct, it’s not so easy. It’s simple, but it’s not so easy, because you BELIEVE what isn’t happening. You BELIEVE that familiar, and therefore it’s easy to move back in that direction. And you DON’T always believe the new. You think you’re simply going through the motions of the new: “It isn’t actually real. It’s not actually happening. I simply think it’s happening,” or “I think I’m moving in that direction, but it’s not actually happening yet, and I can give myself evidence that it’s not actually happening yet.”

Of COURSE you can, because you’re still looking at what ISN’T happening, or you’re still looking at what the familiar is. And it is challenging to keep moving back into that direction of the excitement of something that you don’t even entirely believe is real. You’re being excited about something that you THINK is a fantasy.

In this, we were engaging a conversation about fantasy and about imagination, and the difference. And let me say to you, fantasy can be equally as effective as imagination at times, because fantasy is what you already know and what you want to be. It is based in what you know and what you want something to be; you fantasize about what you want something to be. That can actually be effective, at times, in creating something that you want.

Imagination is a communication in relation to everything that is known. That includes everything in consciousness; therefore, it could be something very unknown to you and in your reality, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t known. In that, it isn’t necessarily always familiar to you or known to you objectively. And from imagination comes inspiration. Fantasy doesn’t necessarily inspire, but it can motivate.

Therefore, what I would say is that what creates difficulties or a snag, let us say, with most of you is that you think about imagination as not being real, and you think about fantasy as something that you are simply imagining and that isn’t attainable, or that you can’t do—but you can. And in that, what I would say to you is that all of it is very real, and you can use any of it to move you in directions that you want.

MARK: Can I share my obstacle?

ELIAS: Yes, you may.

MARK: All right. My obstacle is trying to get a message. For two weeks I’ve had a knife in my back. And I usually get the messages. I’m not getting the message, because the knife is still in my back. I’m trying to move my attention, but yet the knife is still in my back.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARK: It’s not as sharp a knife, but yet it’s still there. What am I missing?

ELIAS: And this would be a very familiar expression for most people, is that they have something that they are feeling, and they stop and if they identify that that feeling is a signal, then they realize that there is a statement happening in relation to that signal, and what is the statement?

Now; how do you decipher what the statement is? Remember: the statement is about what you are doing. Therefore, what I would say to you is—

MARK: Can I interrupt you for one second? I just want to clarify something. It started when I woke up. So, I was doing something—sleeping—and waking up. So, I just wanted to share that aspect. So, it’s not in my normal activity, in my waking state, or—

ELIAS: Or so you think.

MARK: Or so you think (chuckles).

ELIAS: When you are engaging something that is ongoing that isn’t only one momentary action, one momentary feeling—therefore, especially something that involves pain or something that is considerably uncomfortable but isn’t a momentary uncomfortable feeling; nausea is an excellent example also, other than pain—it is significant to begin to evaluate. If you can’t clearly see in the moment what you are doing, and therefore you can’t see the statement, then it is significant to move your attention back to when you first noticed it: what was happening, and what were you doing.

First look at what’s happening around you. Look at what the situations are, what’s happening around you. It doesn’t even have to be something that involves you. What’s happening in your environment? What is happening with the people that are close to you? What are THEY doing?

Because when you generate something that is ongoing, it may be associated with some outside source, that something is affecting them. In that, it doesn’t even have to be a person. It could be a person. It could be an animal. In that, it is a matter of looking at your environment in its entirety and looking at all the pieces: What is happening?

MARK: So, I… You know how I am. You know how I mine some things to death. I looked at the previous day, I looked at the different energies I was mingling with, I attached it to that, I looked at the collective energies in the world—that’s what’s happening, that’s significant—I looked at typical energies that have the ability to zing me.

ELIAS: Such as?

MARK: Such as my brother-in-law. The group isn’t aware of it, but—

ELIAS: I understand.

MARK: There’s an individual in my life that has the ability to affect my body significantly. I’m like melded with this person. So, when I get certain pains or headaches or… it’s because this individual is going down a road of putting substances in his body, and I have the ability to tap into it. So, I know it. I feel it, I know what it is, I identify it, I get the statement, and I move on with my life. You know, it’s consistent, I’m used to it. It is what it is. And in this case, I’m still… It’s either multiple statements—

ELIAS: Which is possible.

MARK: —or a single statement.

ELIAS: What about your partner?

MARK: Good point. I’ve looked at that.

ELIAS: What was she doing?

MARK: It’s not…It’s not a “what was;” it is what IS.

ELIAS: Precisely. Because it’s an ongoing—

MARK: It is watching the effect that the collective has on that specific individual. And…

ELIAS: And taking personal responsibility. Yes, and there is your answer.

Breathe. Breathe.

MARK: (To a participant bringing him water) Thank you. (Pause)

ELIAS: (Firmly and deliberately) It’s not your fault or responsibility. (Pause)

MARK: Sorry. I’m [inaudible]. I’m not sad.

ELIAS: Good.

MARK: I’m just letting you know. It’s moving out of my body.

ELIAS: That’s how you decipher, especially something that is ongoing, something that you notice that you keep experiencing repeatedly, and you HAVE looked at all of the usual suspects, and you have looked at all of the usual actions. And in that, recognizing that if it’s something that is a significant effect—a knife in your back—

MARK: It is a knife.

ELIAS: In that, this is a significant signal. This is a significant feeling, that it likely is involving how you are responding to something important around you.

MARK: I guess I want to share with everybody in this room.

ELIAS: And you may.

MARK: Last night… Well, first off, three o’clock in the morning the power went out in my room. So, I got up—Sleep Number bed, and the bed was like going crazy, doing something like trying to eat me. Four o’clock in the morning a woman was banging on my door, saying it’s not my fault, it’s not my fault. Kind of significant. Kind of cool in what he’s sharing and telling me. I guess the screwy thing is, is—not that it’s screwy, but…

ANN: It was a message.

MARK: Yeah. No, it was a message, definitely. It fits. Perfect. But I wanted to share that with you so you can…

GROUP: That’s amazing.

MARK: You know what I’m feeling, and then the power of it? The sad part is, is…you know, I know all this; I know it. And I just don’t want to… I don’t want that person to experience that—or anyone else. So I moved it.

ELIAS: You have no power over that. And yes, therefore you move it into a physical manifestation.

MARK: And I think the interesting thing is, and maybe other people can take something away from this, is I was in desperate mode. The pain was so significant. I’m desperate. I’ve got to get rid of it. So, I did things that I normally wouldn’t do. I went and saw a chiropractor, I went and got x-rays. And I automatically start thinking, which I’m pretty confident that a lot of people do this, that it’s bad, it’s the worst. I’m looking at my spinal cord and… I already know what my spine looks like. It’s… you know, physically, if anybody else looked at it they’d say, “How is this guy walking?,” but I do walk. I don’t believe that normally, but this desperate mode put me there. That’s not me. I don’t DO that. It’s just amazing how strong that energy influence can be.

ELIAS: And that is the reason that it is so important that you know and understand the power of “you get to choose.”

MARK: But what do you do with that? I can’t ignore it.

ELIAS: It isn’t a matter of ignoring. It is a matter of acknowledging, first of all, that you get to choose what you feel. What you feel isn’t thrust on you, and it doesn’t come from other people—it only comes from you.

MARK: I understand that.

ELIAS: That is the first piece. And the next piece is that in addition to you get to choose what you feel, you also choose what you are paying attention to. And when you have very strong feelings, signals, there is something you’re not paying attention to. You’re not paying attention to how much you are taking responsibility for those outside sources, because you don’t want them to be in a particular position. You don’t want them to feel what they feel, you don’t want them to be in the position that they’re in—you don’t want that for them. That is acceptable, but it’s also important that you recognize that this is not your choice. This is their choice, and this is their journey. And as much as you want for someone else, it is their choice what they experience, even when they don’t know that it is their choice, and many times they don’t.

MARK: They definitely don’t.

ELIAS: They don’t, but YOU know.

And that doesn’t mean you don’t care, and it doesn’t mean that you don’t experience, but it does mean that you are responsible to you, that you are aware of what you choose, and that you acknowledge to yourself that this ISN’T your choice. You wouldn’t choose this for the other individual, but you don’t get to choose for them.

MARK: So my ability to divert and transmute energy in this case is moot?

ELIAS: No. It is your choice.

MARK: Well, I get that. But I mean, if it’s going to…We’ve had this discussion. If it’s going to cripple me…

ELIAS: THAT is your choice. The other individual isn’t crippling you.

MARK: No, I didn’t say that.

ELIAS: I know. What I am saying to you is—

MARK: So, the effect is my choice?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

MARK: So, let me ask you this question: Can I have no effect?


MARK: Okay, I’m listening. (Group laughter) Very closely.

ELIAS: Yes. You can present a situation to yourself, such as you did, and you can have compassion—

MARK: Which I do.

ELIAS: I know. But you can also be aware and choose not to assume that energy. You can have compassion, you can care, you can even involve yourself, but you can also be generating a barrier in which you aren’t allowing the other individual’s energy to penetrate. Their energy can’t penetrate unless you allow it. Therefore, if you are allowing it to penetrate and to come in, then you are transmuting it and reconfiguring it and stabbing yourself in the back with it.

MARK: Nice.

ELIAS: But you don’t HAVE to do that. You can actually stop that energy and not allow it to penetrate, and you can still express compassion, caring, even be involving yourself with the other individual but not incorporating that investment, not in that moment. That doesn’t mean you NEVER invest, but in that moment, you aren’t.

MARK: That’s easy to divest in casual acquaintances…

ELIAS: Very difficult when you are very close to someone, yes, and when you love someone. It can be very challenging. But I would also say to you, that is the time that it is the most important.

MARK: I know. Wow. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

GROUP: Thank you.

ELIAS: We shall break, and we shall continue shortly.

(Break occurs after 47 minutes)

ELIAS: Continuing.

ANN: I knew you were going to say that. (Group laughter)

GROUP: We all did.

ELIAS: Perhaps you are dead. (Group laughter and chatter)

ANN: Well, I hope we’re partying together then.

ELIAS: (Laughs) No surprises.

ANN: Yeah, no surprises. I love surprises. I must still be alive. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: (Laughs) And who shall be next?

MARK: Who’s the next victim? (Elias laughs)

KAREN: Okay. Okay, I’ll go. This is… I don’t know if this is really in my face right now, but I will say that it’s my deep desire to live in many places, like multiple locations—like two, maybe even three—and the ability to travel to them, right?

ELIAS: And the parallel with Ulra? (Chuckles)

KAREN: Yes, exactly. And I know what I’m doing; I actually know what I’m doing that is keeping me from it, is—but I don’t know how to move from it. It’s this idea that it has to look a certain way until I can do that. Like, I have to make enough money or I have to have enough in place—life needs to have a certain look before that happens. But even as long as like twenty years ago I had friends who were saying, “Hey, come visit me once a month. Come for a weekend, once a month. The house is open.” And it was completely financially doable. It’s still doable, but there are these other mechanisms in my head that keep me from this flow. And it’s… I think underlying that is, can I trust myself just to take the steps? Or A step, not THE steps—a step, too. I’m not even sure what the heck the step is.

ELIAS: Ah. But that is the point. You don’t have to know what the step is. It can be anything. It can be ANYTHING. You don’t have to plan a step. It is simply doing something that isn’t entirely comfortable, but it doesn’t matter what it is.

KAREN: But does it have to look like…?

ELIAS: It doesn’t have to look like anything.

KAREN: But does it have to resemble the movement?

ELIAS: Look like and resemble are the same thing. (Group laughter)

KAREN: You got me, Elias. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: Therefore, you can change the words as many times as you want, but you’re still asking the same question. And the answer to the question is no, it doesn’t have to look like or resemble or anything else that you might come up with that may be that same question. No.

KAREN: My brain is just really hurting right now. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: It doesn’t have to even be related objectively.

KAREN: That’s the question. Like, it doesn’t have to be objectively related.

What about the dynamic…? You spoke to both Veronica, and I even think Mark, a little bit about if you want to do an energy exchange, exchange an energy with someone different or another essence, does that help?

ELIAS: Help what? (Group laughter)

KAREN: Does it help… the cause? (Group laughter)

VERONICA: Her goal. Your goal.

ELIAS: Now define what is the cause.

KAREN: Does it help my goal? Does it help my intention, or my desire?

VERONICA: Does it remove the obstacle to your goals.

ELIAS: To have an energy exchange with a different essence?

KAREN: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

VERONICA: Her traveling.

KAREN: Traveling, like if I do traveling in a different manner. Or, does that…?

ELIAS: Now let me stop you.

KAREN: Yes, thank you. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: Everything is interconnected.


ELIAS: EVERYTHING is interconnected.

KAREN: So, it’s like what Mary said.

ELIAS: EVERYTHING is interconnected. (Group laughter) Therefore, what that means is, is everything is interconnected. It means no matter what it is, no matter what the subject is, no matter what the action is, it’s all connected. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what you do. It doesn’t matter what the step is. The only piece that matters ABOUT the step is that it is something that isn’t entirely comfortable for you.

KAREN: All right. Got it.

ELIAS: That’s the only piece that matters. Because regardless of what the subject is, it doesn’t have to be ABOUT traveling. It doesn’t mean, “If I want to be traveling, if I travel to someplace else other than these destinations, does that count?” It doesn’t have to be about traveling at all. You don’t have to DO anything traveling. It could be engaging with someone that you are working with that you perceive is necessary to have a conversation with that you don’t want to have. It could be expressing something to someone else in a manner that is being direct that you don’t want to do, that’s uncomfortable for you to do that. It doesn’t matter what the subject is, because everything is interconnected. Therefore, regardless of what the subject is, it is connected with every other subject in energy.

I have expressed from the onset of this forum, objective imagery is very abstract. And what that means is—which I have defined previously—is that for any one subject, you can have a thousand different expressions of imagery for that one subject. Therefore, what connects all of that? The energy. The energy is the same. The imagery may be very different, but the energy is all the same.

And in that, when you take a step, as you expressed, in a direction in any action that isn’t comfortable, you are extending yourself. You are expressing courage. And what does that courage come from? The base of it is that you are trusting yourself. That’s where courage comes from, is that you are trusting yourself to do something, even though you don’t want to, even though it’s uncomfortable. But you’re trusting yourself to do it, and you’re trusting that you can be creating the outcome that you want.

Therefore, you are taking an intentional step, an intentional choice. An intentional choice is not simply a choice that you know you can do. An intentional choice is one that you are looking beyond this moment. You are looking just beyond that, you are stretching your awareness just beyond that choice, to see and to know where it’s leading, because you trust what you are choosing. You trust what you are doing.

And in the moment, it doesn’t feel like you’re trusting anything, because it’s scary, because it’s not comfortable, because it’s something you don’t really want to do. It’s something that you believe you should do or that you do, in a manner of speaking, want to do, but you don’t believe you can, or you believe there’s too many obstacles, or you believe that you don’t have all your ducks in a row. (Group laughter)

VERONICA: You used the word should. Shouldn’t it be could? You don’t believe you can or could, not that you shouldn’t?

ELIAS: No, because I am speaking about what YOU think. (Group laughter)


ELIAS: And many times, you are thinking about what you should or shouldn’t do, not what you could or couldn’t do. Many times that is part of what stops you, or part of what pushes you in a direction, or part of what stifles you in a direction, is that expression of should: “I should do this,” or “I shouldn’t do that.” That is definitely a very realistic part of your own expressions and how you think, and the influences of your life, your environment, the people around you, the people that you interact with. All of these things have influences, and a lot of them have those attachments of should and shouldn’t.

VERONICA: So that the forward motion would be the could?


VERONICA: Okay. All right.

ELIAS: But it doesn’t have to be.

VERONICA: But you’d like it to be.

ELIAS: Definitely.

VERONICA: All right.

ELIAS: Definitely. Ultimately you want to be empowering yourself to the fullest extent, but the point is, you don’t have to have all of that initially. You don’t have to have that awareness initially. You don’t have to be in a position in which you are fully empowered. You might not FEEL empowered; you might feel scared. You might feel helpless.

MARK: Would you…? You told Karen that she could do something, take a step and it didn’t necessarily have to be related to what she wanted to accomplish, her intention, that it’s going to feel uncomfortable, the step. Would you relate the previous experience that I just had: is that an example?

ELIAS: In relation to what we were discussing?

MARK: With her. I’m putting myself in a vulnerable position, taking a step and doing something that I don’t typically do. Is that applicable to this?

ELIAS: In what capacity?

MARK: In the capacity of maybe there’s something I want, a direction I want to take.


MARK: Is it the same? That I just take that step, to accomplish something that I want, that I haven’t defined yet?


MARK: Okay. Cool.

KAREN: Can I ask a clarifying question?


KAREN: So, I have had the experience of taking steps, a lot of steps at various points in the careers I’ve had, where it’s like the uncomfortable edge and then moving toward it. And I can instantly see, “Wow, that’s increasing my vessel of being able to take in energy.” And I’ve noticed recently there seems to be more of these uncomfortable actions, like getting the dog, starting to pay an editor to do the podcast. These are moments of like “Wow, this…“ I guess the question is, does the uncomfortability increase more as…? There seems to be MORE uncomfortability, because it seems like I’m digging in deeper to the bedrock stuff that’s like been stuck—or not stuck, but like just… Is this going to (laughs) keep getting…?

ELIAS: Will it get easier? Yes, it will.

KAREN: Okay. Thanks. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: What I would also say to you is, I will acknowledge what you are saying, but I would also expand that and say to you that sometimes when it is seeming that it is being more and more uncomfortable—not that the uncomfortableness is intensifying, but there are more avenues of it, or that you are presenting yourself with more directions of being uncomfortable, more situations of being uncomfortable—that isn’t always digging into the bedrock of yourself. THAT is at times expanding and presenting more avenues to yourself. You are feeling your way out into what you can do. And that is part of the expansion: “What CAN I do? What can I accomplish? I did this, now I’m doing this. Now I’m going to do this. Now I’m going to do this,” and you simply move farther and farther and farther out. And in that, you may have already done a significant amount of addressing to and work within yourself, and therefore you are ready to expand.

And each step that you take can be scary and can be uncomfortable and can be uncertain, because you haven’t done it before. And in that, then yes, you are taking another uncomfortable step, and then you take another uncomfortable step. Eventually, though, the steps that you begin to take AREN’T uncomfortable, because eventually you keep taking those steps outward, but you’ve established that trust with yourself, and you’ve established that you can and that you trust yourself, and you trust your ability, and you don’t question it so much anymore. And therefore, when you take another step, it is taking a step in stride, and that it isn’t scary, it isn’t uncomfortable, you don’t question it, it seems natural.

And in that, you don’t have those moments very often any longer. And in that, you move for a considerable amount of time not having that experience. Then you might present that to yourself again, when you move again out of what is familiar, because that is also natural. It’s normal, in that you move to a certain degree, you accomplish to a certain degree, and then you settle in that for a time. Because you find your comfort in that, and you settle in that existence for a time, and you’re comfortable and you’re content and you’re satisfied. And then you present something new, a new inspiration to yourself, that will inspire you to move out of THAT comfort zone and move into a new expansion.

This is all natural. This is all part of natural movement of expansion of consciousness. And in that, you move in that for a time and then you settle again, and then again you will inspire yourself.

This period of time now is very new. This period of time now is moving in a direction that is genuine freedom—what you haven’t given yourself before, what you haven’t allowed yourself before, or what you haven’t known before. And therefore, in this time framework, this is all part of shifting. And in that, you are moving in new directions, new expansion in which anything that was normal before is somewhat restrictive, and you’re beginning to see the restrictions of normal, and you’re beginning to move outside of that normal and give yourselves the opportunity to move in something new and create a new normal which has much more freedom in it.

But all of that freedom is very foreign, and there are SO many constructs that are surrounding anything that has to do with that new freedom, and there are so many constructs that are telling you, “No, you can’t do that,” and the ultimate expression, “Who do you think you are?” (Group laughter)

VERONICA: “Are you crazy?” (Group laughter)

JEAN: Elias, I’ve been taking steps. You’ve been working on me with my next step having to do with what we talked about, hoarding money.

ELIAS: And remember: everything is interconnected. Therefore, it isn’t one thing.

JEAN: I’ve come across a little bit of unexpected money, just so everybody knows, and I feel like I have to hoard it and save it because I’ll never be able to create that again. Like, I could use the money right now and take some out, but I’m like, “Oh god! Save it. Save it.”

ELIAS: And what I would say to you is, that is, in very simple terms, very bad advice.

ANN: What’s bad advice?

FEMALE: Hoarding.

ELIAS: “Save it.”

ANN: Yeah.

ELIAS: But in that, let me express that very clearly, because that is a very common expression for people to generate, and very common advice. And it’s bad advice because you always create more of what you pay attention to. Therefore, if you are holding onto, then what do you do? You create more of not enough, not enough, not enough. If you aren’t holding onto, if you are letting go, then you are creating more of what? Trust. And that you CAN create and that you CAN generate: “I have this much. I can make that more. I can make that twice as much. I can make that fifty times as much. The more I pay attention to how much I can do with this, the more I create what I can do with.”

In that, this is the very basic principle of consciousness, and although simple, it can be difficult to actualize, because these expressions are so common. They are so reinforced: “Be careful. Watch what you’re doing. Save this. Don’t use that. Be prepared.” And in that, you’re not encouraged to move in directions of letting go: “That’s frivolous. It’s irresponsible, and it’s dangerous. And in that, you’ll be sorry.”

I promise you, no, you won’t, because in that, the more you don’t hold onto, the more you create.

Let me express to you what I have expressed recently with other individuals. We have spoken about the invisible container that everyone carries with them, and that you’re putting energy into when you hold energy, and that you eventually will spill that container over and create something very uncomfortable for yourself.

Now; NOW, in THIS time, in relation to what we are discussing now, let me express to you, many of you are moving in a direction in which you are shrinking your containers and making them smaller, because you’re not putting as much energy into them as frequently. Therefore, they are shrinking, just as your stomach shrinks if you don’t put so much food into it all the time. In that, this container shrinks because it isn’t getting energy dumped into it all the time. But then when energy IS put into it, there isn’t as much room in it, and therefore it will spill over more quickly—and, that doesn’t mean that when it spills over it will be less intense.

When it spills over, you will still be creating something very uncomfortable, but the difference is that because you aren’t putting energy into it all the time and you aren’t holding onto energy all the time, when it spills over, it isn’t as affecting of you. It’s not comfortable, but you bounce out of it faster, because you’re not accustomed to holding onto energy any longer. And so if you’re not accustomed to holding onto energy, when that small amount of energy does spill over and create something very uncomfortable for you, you’re not automatically holding onto THAT. And therefore, you’ve learned to move. You’ve learned to let go.

And in that, then you are freer to create in your direction, to keep maintaining in your direction. Which is what we began this conversation with, that the factor that you create an obstacle, the factor that you create something uncomfortable doesn’t mean you’ve thrown yourself off of your direction. It doesn’t mean you’ve flung yourself off your path. You haven’t; you’ve simply given yourself (chuckles) a moment in which you weren’t necessarily paying attention and you were putting energy into that little container now, and it spilled. And then you pick yourself up and you continue on in your direction, and you continue to accomplish.

This is the piece about finding something that inspires you that you can be excited about, because if you can be excited about something, that takes the place of the experience that is uncomfortable. It knocks out that uncomfortable experience, and then you aren’t moving in the direction of holding onto that.

And in that, rather than following feelings, you are moving in experiences. And you are creating new experiences, and you are paying attention to your feelings in the capacity that they are meant to be paid attention to. You are paying attention to them in their function—not as something that guides you, not as something that directs you, not as something that is continuously influencing you, but simply as a signal. Similar to a traffic signal again, you aren’t following the traffic signal down the street. (Group laughter) You simply move through it and continue to your destination. And in that, this is what you are moving into now, moving in that direction of being able to have feelings, acknowledge them as signals, and move.

VERONICA: And appreciate what you’ve done, and reflection.

ELIAS: That is tremendously important, yes, that acknowledgement of what you are doing and what you are accomplishing and what you are generating, rather than what you aren’t.

VAL: So Elias, the recent recurrence of the Lyme, both Lyla and myself, we’re together in that: that has to do with the sense of responsibility that you spoke of earlier in the session, is that correct?

JEAN: Well, for her was responsibility for me, or just stress for me?

ELIAS: Both.

JEAN: Responsibility? In what sense for me? Responsibility… not—don’t say my creatures.

ELIAS: And your home, and your partner, and everything.


ELIAS: Not simply the creatures.

VAL: So, it’s quite interesting. I think it affected my bladder, so it has a lot to do with stopping the flow, I think, in that case.

ELIAS: For you, yes.

VAL: Yes. (Group chatter)

FEMALE: Oh. I need a session.

(Group laughter, and Elias chuckles)

MELISSA: I already talked to you about what is bothering me, but I don’t have a new example.

ELIAS: Very well.

MELISSA: So, I’ll just repeat?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing.

MELISSA: Okay. So, I realize the pattern is here that when I’m alone too much, I start thinking too much, and I isolate and then… I was getting angry at people, and…and then I wouldn’t take a step. And it’s happened several times since January, but I’m aware of it now, and I feel like I’m taking steps now. I’m using my imagination even to change the dynamic with people. Like I’ve done it on this trip, like I was angry with this person and now imagining a different scenario and I create it. And I sent a gift to a friend of ours as a way to create community, and I’ve been…

Okay, well here’s a challenge: I’ve been interacting more with people in my community, but I haven’t been generating the reflection I’d like. They seem to be irritated with me because I’ve been angry. But we’ve talked about that, how that’s normal for me to feel angry because I… Now that we’re on this new phase, it’s normal to feel like you don’t have choices.

ELIAS: At times, yes.

MELISSA: At times. And so… I guess I’ll have to see what happens, but I…

ELIAS: It is also very important not to follow that feeling.

MELISSA: Yes. Yes.

ELIAS: And in that,… Actually this is a good example, because you might be in a position at a time in which, as yourself, you were angry at different individuals or situations, or feeling that you don’t know what to do or you don’t know what choices you have, or you could be angry at the situation. Just as we were discussing, many people have experienced time frameworks of being angry at society and angry at the world for the mass event, or angry in general that life is changing and it’s different and they don’t like it, or they don’t know what to do with it. They don’t know how to proceed. They don’t know what direction they’re moving in. And anger is not knowing what your choices are, and therefore, people have expressed these time frameworks in which they are angry at they don’t even know what—they are simply angry.

But during that time when you are angry, you may be interacting with other individuals and you’re projecting that energy. You’re projecting this helpless, no choices, confused, irritable energy, and other people are receiving that. Then you might move in a direction in which you eventually stop being angry and the other people seem to still be reflecting that to you, that they are now not being very receptive because they have interacted with you. You projected that first, and they received it, and in that, then it is this expectation, “I’m done with it now. Everyone should be happy (group laughter) and should be moving in a direction of welcoming me with open arms (group laughter) because I’m not angry any longer.” And the other individuals are, “No; (group laughter) now WE’RE angry.”

One of the pieces in this is, this is a part that I have expressed considerable information with all of you about in relation to reflections, that you project energy and then you reflect energy, and then you either react or you choose. And most of the time, unless you are genuinely aware of yourself in the moment, you react. So do other people! Other people react a lot. And therefore, in that, you may be projecting something and then you may be done with that projection, but the other people are reacting.

And in that, that is your cue, then, to be proactive. That is your cue in reminding yourself: “I’m projecting first. Therefore, it is for me now to project, because the other people are reacting. Therefore, if I don’t want them to be reacting, if I don’t want them to be expressing in that manner, if I’m not comfortable with that and if I want to be connecting with my community, then it is about my choices intentionally: that I intentionally am creating that connection, that I extend myself, because I WASN’T extending myself before. I was projecting an energy ball at everyone because I didn’t know what else to do. Now I’m going in a direction of NOT projecting an energy ball at anyone, but rather projecting an invitation to be engaging with other people. If I’m not happy with what I’m seeing in my reflection, then it is about me changing that by making intentional choices,” and recognizing that the other people aren’t going to simply change, regardless of what you think about it. In that, they’re still in reaction, and therefore it is a matter of you stopping the reaction by giving them something different.

In this, this is the point of being intentional, and intentionally creating your reality. And this is the empowering part, is that if you don’t like something in your reality, or something is uncomfortable, this was what I was expressing: you get to choose. You get to choose. It’s all about YOUR choices. It’s all about what YOU choose, what YOU do, and how you project that energy. What type of energy are you going to project? Think about what it is that you want: “I want to have community. I want to be involved. I want to be connecting with other people.” Then invite them! Then create an energy that invites them TO you. You can’t wait for other people to do for you, or in relation to you—they won’t. You have to invite them. You have to initiate.

If another individual walks past you on the street, do you stop and grab them? Do you stop and step into their path and say, “Pay attention to me!” No. Do you grab their arm and say, “I’m willing to connect with you”? No. They’re not going to do that with you either. If you are walking on the street and someone stops and smiles at you, you likely will smile back at them. If someone says hello to you, you will likely say hello to them also. But you aren’t going to jump into their path and express in some dramatic manner to them. You don’t know what they’re projecting. They don’t know what you’re projecting either. They don’t know what you want. You don’t know what THEY want. That isn’t the point. You don’t HAVE to know what they want, and they don’t have to know what you want. They WILL know what you want when you invite them to know what you want, when you express in that manner.

And that is your responsibility to you, to be expanding your awareness and to be self-directing and choosing intentionally. That’s what it means. Choosing intentionally is knowing what you’re choosing and being able to see beyond the choice in the moment. That’s the difference between simply choosing what you want and choosing intentionally.

MELISSA: I feel like I’ve been pushed into that, just because of the uncomfortableness. Like I told you, I’ve had moments this year where I’ll just be like, “I can’t believe I actually have to DO something! I can’t believe I have to DO something! Because I HAVE to do something, otherwise I’m going to stay uncomfortable.” I mean, are most people experiencing that?

ELIAS: There are many. There are many. I would say yes, there are many people in your world that are experiencing that in many different capacities, because what they are accustomed to is no longer. An individual that finds themself in a situation now in which they are expected to structure themself in their job from home, and that THEY have to choose what hours they work and when and how and what they do—they didn’t have to do that throughout their life. Some people aren’t happy with that. Many, many, many, many people ARE, but some people are not. And some people HAVE been angry at that: “I don’t WANT to have to do that. I want my boss to tell me what to do and when to do it and how to do it, and I’ll simply do it.” Which is not bad, and it isn’t wrong; it’s simply that these individuals aren’t accustomed to being self-structuring, and now they are in a position in which they are expected to BE self-structuring.

This is what I expressed to all of you at the beginning of that mass event in your previous year. This is what it was about: self-directing, self-structuring, and difference. And people don’t necessarily want to look at those.

MELISSA: Well, I was pretty good at the self-structuring and self-directing, but I don’t know what’s different now. I mean, I would like... I’m excited about exotic travel. That's what I want to do. But how do I do that now? I guess I could look into it, but...

ELIAS: And what confuses you about it?

MELISSA: Like a lot of… I mean, I guess I haven’t researched it, but I mean I assume a lot of the world is not accepting foreigners.

ELIAS: And I would say that that would be an incorrect assumption. And that is actually an excellent point, because in that, I would say that in relation to the mass event, now you are engaging the aftermath of that and not everything is clear. And you don’t necessarily know what is acceptable or what isn’t acceptable. You don’t know what the rules are, because they’re all changing. And in that, it is a matter of that’s a part of the self-directing, is finding out, is researching, is giving yourself those answers rather than relying on outside sources to give you the answers.

This is also the piece in which I have expressed recently with some other individuals in relation to them being irritated at some of the information that I have expressed that they don’t agree with. And the reason they don’t agree with it is because they are listening to outside sources, and the outside sources are telling them something different. And in that, those outside sources are generally media sources, (group laughter) which are very questionable. But in that, the point is that if they were actually listening to themself and moving in their own directions, they wouldn’t necessarily be relying on what they are being told.

MELISSA: It’s a little embarrassing, though. I mean, this is so easy.


MELISSA: I could just research. All I have to do is research what the rules are.

ELIAS: I understand. But I would also say that there is no reason for you to be embarrassed—none—because what I am saying to you is yes, when you say that it seems very simplistic and very elementary, but the world has changed, and therefore, nothing seems straightforward, and what was obvious before doesn’t seem so obvious now. And therefore, in that, yes, that is a simple answer, to simply research. But you might not think of that, because you aren’t accustomed to that: “Why would I have to research travel? You either can travel or you can’t travel. And before you could travel, and then you couldn’t travel, so I assume now that you can’t travel.” That isn’t unusual.

In that, it is simply a matter of asking yourself questions about what do you want to do, and then, just as you did, you deduced for yourself when you heard yourself say it out loud, “I assume that you can’t travel,” and you thought about that when you said that out loud.

This is also another very significant point. Thinking is incomplete. First of all, thinking only engages one hemisphere of your brain at a time; it never engages both hemispheres of your brain. In that also, thinking is incomplete because it is a translating mechanism.

What does a translating mechanism do?

LYNDA: It translates.

ELIAS: What does it translate?

GROUP: What you put in there. What you know. Only the limited knowledge.

ELIAS: Precisely! It can only translate what you’ve already given it. Therefore, it only translates what it has. If it doesn’t HAVE information, it can’t translate it. Therefore, if you don’t HAVE information, thinking is not going to GIVE you information. Thinking is not an avenue of communication; it’s only a translating mechanism. Therefore, thinking is incomplete. BUT—speaking uses BOTH hemispheres of your brain AND engages your senses.

ANN: Does writing do the same thing?


ANN: Okay.

ELIAS: But speaking engages your senses, and what do you senses do? What ARE your senses?

ANN: They interpret energy?

ELIAS: Your senses are communication avenues. Your senses are avenues of communication. They DO communicate. And in that, when you speak, you HEAR what you are speaking. Therefore, your sense of hearing inputs information to you, from your own speaking. And in that, THEN your thought mechanism can process THAT.

Let me express to you, as much as you have been told never talk to yourselves because people will think that you’re crazy (group laughter), it is actually an excellent practice to talk to yourself, because you hear yourself speaking, and your sense of hearing is a communication avenue and it inputs information to you differently, and then you process that through thinking and you learn something. And you inspire yourself, just as you did in that moment. I could see in your eyes the realization while you were saying the words.

MELISSA: “I assume,” yeah.

ELIAS: Precisely. But in that, you could have said those words to yourself alone in your bedroom, and you would have had the same response. You would have thought, “Oh! I’m assuming that I can’t travel, but maybe I can.” And that would have motivated you to look.

MELISSA: Thank you. (Elias laughs)

VAL: Elias, there’s been a bit of talk about travel in this session, and about, as Melissa was talking about, different restrictions for different countries. Do you see that evolving as we move through the end of this mass event, different rules changing continuously? Or more of a calming down across the board?

ELIAS: I would say that it already is moving in the direction of calming. It’s slowly moving, but it is moving. And I would say that eventually you will likely reach a status quo, likely sooner rather than later. I would say that that’s what you are DOING now, is you are addressing to the aftermath of that mass event. You are doing it rather quickly. You haven’t even completed five months of this present year, and you’ve already moved considerably.

Yes, you are still vacillating. There are still many parts of your world that are moving back and forth. That’s because there are many, many, many people that don’t know what to do, that don’t know what direction they are moving in. They don’t know what to believe, they don’t know how to proceed, and they’re confused. And it’s confusing how to be self-directing and how to BE self-structuring: what do you do with yourself?

VAL: I’ve noticed that a lot of different people just around me, it seems like everybody’s in a pause. And it’s that self-directing mode: “What do I do now, at this point? I’ve got all of this going on, but I don’t know which step to take.” There seems to be a lot of that.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. People have much more time, and they don’t know what to do with all this time. People were for generations and generations expressing they don’t have enough time, and now they have more time than they know what to do with.

ANN: I like it this way better.

ELIAS: They wanted freedom and now they have it, and they don’t know what to do with it.

JEAN: Elias, I have one more question. I have not been vaccinated, and I don’t feel… and it’s not because I’m against it or anything. So, I’m kind of neutral, and I don’t have any judgments or opinions on people that do, but in the concept of flow, would it help society if I did vaccinate myself? Or personally speaking for me, am I okay? Like if she [motioning to Val] wanted to somewhere, we wanted to go overseas again and I had to have a vaccine, then I would say yes, “I’ll go and get it” because we want to travel. But otherwise I’d just as soon not have it, but it’s not out of a defiance.

ELIAS: And I would say no. I would say that for anyone that simply chooses not to engage the vaccination for their own personal reasons, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s not a wrong choice, and it isn’t moving in any type of opposition to mass movement. The choice of whether to engage the vaccine or not is very individual. It is your own personal choice.

I would say to you, as I have to everyone, that especially at this point, those of you who have not chosen to engage this virus, those of you who have not chosen to enact this organism, you are likely not going to. You are definitely past the point of exposure. You are definitely past the point of likelihood of engaging this virus. Therefore, it is genuinely a personal choice.

JEAN: It’s a social pressure. I mean, I go to the chiropractor: “Oh, have you been vaccinated yet?” “Oh, have YOU been vaccinated?” And now there’s, you know, if you have been vaccinated and you don’t wear a mask, and if you DO wear a mask people look at you like, “Why haven’t you been vaccinated?” You know, it’s this social thing going on, and I guess I’m coming more from that. Would I put other people at ease if…?

ELIAS: That, once again, is a personal choice. In that, what I would say to you is if YOU are more comfortable in that situation, then that is acceptable. It isn’t necessarily that you are taking responsibility for other people; it is whether you are comfortable or uncomfortable in the situations around you. But I would express that that has been a part of this situation from the onset of the mass event, which is very understandable. Because, what are people accustomed to? They are accustomed to following rules, and they are accustomed to following instructions, and they’re still looking for that as a comfort. They want to be told what to do, and they want the rules to be followed. And in that, it allows them to feel safer. It allows them to feel more comfortable, because that’s what they’re accustomed to. That’s what they have been engaging their entire lives.

ANN: Elias, so that’s interesting you used the word “comfortable” almost at two different situations. Earlier you were saying let’s do something that makes you uncomfortable, and now you’re saying do what makes you more comfortable. And I get it. I mean, I know the difference between what you’re saying, but I would just like you to explain it in words so I can hear it. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Very well. Very well.

One is in relation to personal expansion. Taking a step in a direction, in an action that isn’t entirely comfortable for you is an action of expansion, of your own personal expansion of your awareness of yourself, of your trust. It requires you to express courage, and that courage comes from trusting yourself. Therefore, one is an expression of personal expansion.

The other is an expression of personal choice and what is important to you. Therefore, I would say that the other is a matter of what is comfortable for you in relation to what is important to you, and evaluating what is important and what isn’t important. And not necessarily judging that, and not basing that on outside sources but basing that on yourself and your guidelines, your values, and what is genuinely important to you—but also recognizing whether that is a genuine importance or whether it is important to you because of construct.

ANN: Or because you’re making a stand or something.

ELIAS: Which is also a construct, in that principles are constructs. And in that also, if you are expressing in relation to this subject that you are not going to engage the vaccine because it is infringing on your personal freedom, no, it’s not. If you are expressing that you don’t want to do that because you are making a statement for personal liberty and defiance, no, you are being oppositional, and there are constructs that are involved in that. If you are doing it or choosing not to do it simply because you don’t want to do it and it isn’t necessarily important to you, that is entirely different. There is no energy of opposition involved in that.

And also, for some individuals, it is definitely a matter of the choice of trust: “I trust my body already. I am not creating this interaction with this virus. I don’t actually perceive that I need this, because in my perception that is an expression of protection against something I don’t believe I need, because I already trust my body and what I’m creating with it.”

Then there are people that may choose to be engaging the vaccine with the virus not because they believe that they are protecting themselves, but because it’s easy, and therefore that’s important to them. Or it allows them to do something that is more important to them than not doing it. Therefore, they aren’t necessarily protecting themselves either, but they choose to engage in the direction of the masses, not to be reinforcing with the masses but for their own personal reasons, simply because it may make their life easier for whatever reason.

MARK: May I say something? Just curious. For your case, you want to travel and you have… How do I put this? There’s a collective energy that’s strongly saying – you say you see it everywhere, you know, your doctor, your chiropractor, you haven’t been vaccinated. The outside influence of that energy is—and correct me if I’m wrong—the outside influence of that energy is affecting your perception. Do you follow me?


MARK: The outside—

ELIAS: I am, but no, it’s not.

MARK: It’s not affecting her?

ELIAS: She is making—

MARK: It’s not influencing her choices? It’s not, like…

ELIAS: No. It’s not.

MARK: Let’s fit it to me: I want to travel, and I don’t want to go out and travel when there’s all these people saying you’ve got to have a vaccination to travel. It’s influencing my perception on whether I need that. I’m not trusting myself.

ELIAS: No, it may not be. The individual may choose to adhere to that, and it isn’t changing their perception at all; they’re simply choosing to engage with that because it allows them to do something that they want to do. But in that, they aren’t opposing; they’re moving in a direction of choosing not to oppose.

MARK: Maybe I’m not saying it right. I’m trying to…

ELIAS: It isn’t that the airlines or that the governments are influencing, because the individual can express, “Then I won’t travel.” Their perception of the vaccine isn’t different—it doesn’t change. Her perception isn’t changed; she’s merely making a choice at a given point. If that is being expressed that if she wants to engage traveling to a particular place, she hasn’t changed her perception of herself or of the virus or of the vaccine or of the governments or of the airlines; she’s simply making a choice to either accept that because it’s easier, or to not do it. It doesn’t change her perception. When you are being influenced by something, it DOES influence your perception.

MARK: That’s my point.

ELIAS: But in that situation, her perception isn’t being influenced. She’s not changing her perception.

VERONICA: She’s yielding. You just yield.

ELIAS: She isn’t. She’s moving in the direction of something that’s easier for her. She is simply choosing whatever choice is the easiest for her.

ANN: I like that.

ELIAS: And in that, she’s not making it important. It isn’t important whether she has the vaccine or whether she doesn’t have the vaccine—it doesn’t matter.

MARK: But it’s potentially important if she travels.

JEAN: Exactly. If it’s important enough to go somewhere I want to go to, it’s… you do it. It’s for me.

ELIAS: Then you are making a choice to make the vaccine unimportant.

JEAN: Absolutely.

MARK: Regardless of a restriction.

ELIAS: What restriction?

MARK: You have to have the vaccine in order to…

ELIAS: That is not necessarily a restriction. That’s a perception.

MARK: This is my whole point.

ELIAS: That’s what I’m saying. Her perception hasn’t changed. This is the influence. If your perception changes,—

ANN: Then she won’t need to get a vaccine.

ELIAS: In that, her perception HASN’T changed. She isn’t looking at the vaccine as BEING a restriction to begin with; she’s simply choosing not to engage it because she doesn’t need it, but she isn’t looking at it as a restriction.

ANN: But you know, I see kind of what he’s saying. And I’m not going to use his words, but the underlying kind of feeling—and it might not be what he’s saying. But what I kind of feel—

MARK: It is what I’m saying.

ANN: --is by…Okay, I want to travel, but it’s an outside source that’s saying, “If you want to travel, then you need to get a vaccine.” So you feel like that’s limiting your freedom of choice.

ELIAS: That is your perception.

ANN: Right.

ELIAS: But if you have that perception to begin with, then that changes the scenario.

ANN: Okay, so let’s play with that. So I have that perception that I want to travel, and I don’t want to get the vaccine, so now my choice is limited. How do I change that perception to one that is more flowing and aligned with what’s important to me?

ELIAS: That’s simply a matter of recognizing the constructs.

ANN: What’s the construct?

ELIAS: That your freedom is limited by someone else.

ANN: Yeah, I love that! And I believe… You know what my obstacle is? THAT. (Group laughter) And I feel that other outside sources can dictate to me—and we’ve talked about this so many times, whether it’s the taxes or the government or like, “If I don’t do something right, oh my god, I didn’t fill out the right form so now this outside government can come and do something to me.” Help me change THAT perception!

MARK: So, Elias, I guess we’ll take Jean out of the picture. The whole point was is that it’s a potential for anybody in this room, or anybody anywhere, for this outside collective source, the energy, to influence your perception—specific to this.

ELIAS: Anything can influence your perception.

SANDRA: Another thing is, what you just said is, this path of most allowance or ease is something connected to everything subtly in all our life. So if we attach some importance to being kind of like Lyla was with this example, she’s not opposing anything, she’s just making a choice. If we do that everywhere, we create a completely different reality.

ELIAS: Precisely. Precisely. And that is how you do it, is that you change the importance. And how do you do that? By becoming more self-aware. By recognizing YOU are creating all of your reality—every bit of it, every moment of it, every second of your existence. YOU are creating every aspect.

ANN: So, that’s funny, because I think about that. I’m thinking, “I’m creating that you need this vaccine.”

VERONICA: You even create the tax man.

ANN: And I’m creating the tax man. I’m like, “Why am I doing that?” (Group laughter)

VERONICA: Because it’s based on a construct.

ELIAS: It is.

JOHN (Rrussell): I’m going to carry this too far, but Ann, if you had a perception that you didn’t need… whatever, to pay taxes, I mean there’s ways of not paying taxes, right?

ANN: Correct.

JOHN: There’s ways of getting a vaccine certificate—or whatever it is, but you would automatically move in that direction if you had that… Am I right? Yeah.

VERONICA: With regard to the taxes and you say, “Well, the governments do need my taxes to fix the potholes…”

ANN: Oh, you think about how you think about the… yeah. Or you think of the good things: “Oh, I’m paying taxes because then I’m contributing.” (Group chatter)

VERONICA: I’m changing my perception.

ELIAS: I’m not saying the government needs that; I’m saying to you that—

VERONICA: Yes. But that’s my perception.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

ANN: I kind of get how to flow with what’s easier, and it’s not a big thing, but it’s something I think about. I’m like, “Hm.” And I can see how I could get snagged. I mean, I know how to move around it, but I also know where I’ve gotten snagged and where I still kind of get snagged, and I just want to smooth it all out. (Elias chuckles)

VERONICA: Elias, I have a question, if you will allow this, and I know you will, but it seems like it’s like a low-class question. But how do I answer my neighbors, especially, when they tell me that this virus is constructed by the Democratic Party (chuckles) to keep Mr. Trump from being the president again?

ANN: You just take a drink and walk away. (Group laughter)

VERONICA: I take the drink, but… (group laughter) You know, I try to change the subject, but it’s like this goes beyond the superficial, political. What do I do?

ELIAS: Why do you bother?

VERONICA: Why do I bother?

ELIAS: If they are expressing that—

VERONICA: They want me to join them.

ELIAS: You don’t have to join them, but you don’t have to express any type of opposition either. You can simply echo them: “I hear that that’s what you believe.” (Group chatter and laughter) “You believe that very strongly. That is a very strong perception. I hear you.”

VERONICA: Or “Those Asians.” (Claps) “That China.” (Claps) Right? You know, I…

ELIAS: And that makes you very angry, doesn’t it?

VERONICA: I have a Chinese friend who I really love.

ELIAS: What I am saying is echo them. Feed back their words to them in different words, but use their own expression—simply reconfigure the words.

VERONICA: Oh, I like that. Thank you. That’s a new phrasing, isn’t it? (Group chatter)

ELIAS: It IS. It is. It is. You are hearing them, you are seeing them. You don’t have to agree with them, but you also don’t have to PROVE anything to them, and you definitely don’t have to change their mind. And you don’t have to argue with them. And in that, you simply take their words and reconfigure them in your own words and feed it back to them in echoing them. Then they feel that they’ve been heard and seen, and you give them nothing to argue with.

VERONICA: Nice and easy. Okay.

MARK: You said we’re all creating obstacles. Is this some kind of wave specific to this group, or—

ELIAS: No, no, no! I would say that it’s very general, that most people recently have created some type of obstacle for themself. And it doesn’t necessarily, as I expressed, have to be something tremendous—although some people are creating some tremendous obstacles—but it is actually a very natural direction, that people are actually beginning to be self-directing and self-structuring, and they are moving forward and they are becoming more aware. And in doing so, it isn’t always familiar what they are doing, and therefore they have little stumbles. And it’s a very common action that’s happening presently. And with all of you, I chose that subject so that I could address that with you and reinforce to you that that isn’t knocking you off of your direction, or it isn’t knocking you off of your path.

I would express, in final parting with you all, that there are some people in the world presently—there is one in particular which likely will become more known futurely—that are moving in a direction of helping in the guiding direction. It is significant, because you are a species that genuinely looks to leaders. BUT—you need a leader now that isn’t a leader, (chuckles) that is simply encouraging YOU to lead yourselves. And I would say that there is likely an individual that is moving in that direction at this time and that will likely be becoming more known, and in that, that may be encouraging to all of you.

FEMALE: Within the year 2021, perhaps?

ELIAS: It’s possible. It’s possible.

ANN: What country?

ELIAS: That will be… (Group laughter) It will be revealed. (Group chatter)

ANN: Will it be an alien? (Group laughter)

ELIAS: No. In this, I am merely expressing a type of introduction that it is possible. You are all changing, and you are all very unpredictable presently. Therefore, I’m not generating a prediction; I’m merely offering information as to a possibility. That I know that this is something that is important and comforting to most of you, that you would have someone that would be encouraging of you and supportive, and in your reality, not a ghost.

ANN: Oh, you mean you’re not going be coming back physical?

ELIAS: No. (Chuckles)

Very well. And on that note (chuckles), I express tremendous, tremendous encouragement to all of you and great supportiveness. I express to you all that I am offering my energy to each and every one of you in each of your directions every moment.

GROUP: And I accept it! Me too. (Group laughter)

ELIAS: In tremendous love to each of you, and in great friendship, as always, au revoir.

GROUP: Au revoir. Thanks, Elias. Thank you. (Applause)

(Elias departs after 1 hour 32 minutes. Total session time was 2 hours 19 minutes)

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