Looking in Foresight
Topics:
“Looking in Foresight”
“The Ship Analogy”
“Doors are Opening”
“Control is Exhausting”
“Receiving the Statement About a Feeling”
“Shared Creation of Creatures”
“Practicing Being Intentional”
“Reflections of Mass Expressions”
“The Ancient Sirians and Civilization Pockets That Stayed Awake”
Friday, April 2, 2021 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Ann (Vivette)
“YOU are the captain of the ship. You are steering it. You are docking it. And you don’t only move to that dock once; you revisit that harbor and that dock repeatedly. But it is a matter of whether you actually exit the boat when you move to that particular dock. Whether you stay on the boat or whether you exit the boat and take the opportunity and acquire the gold and the silks and the jewels that are there at that particular port, or whether you stay on the boat and you don’t necessarily engage all of the jewels or the riches that are in that port. THAT is what I have been saying to you all these years. It is YOUR ship, and what YOU do with it.”
ELIAS: Good morning!
ANN: Good morning, Elias!
ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?
ANN: Let’s just discuss how amazing life can be. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Ah! Congratulations, my friend. (Chuckles)
ANN: I had a nice conversation with Mary, just so inspiring, and I understood what she’s saying. She was talking about the interconnectedness and seeing how one moment leads into the other, and she saw, I don’t know, five or ten different pathways. And I haven’t had that experience yet, but I get it. I understand what she is saying, and it is very inspiring—very inspiring.
ELIAS: Excellent! And I would say that is tremendous. What I would say is, what is tremendous is all of you connecting with each other and inspiring each other, and reinforcing your motivations and moving in a direction in which this is the ultimate pooling of energy.
ANN: Yeah. I feel it.
ELIAS: And I would say that is tremendous.
ANN: Hm. You know, I didn’t have the visions, but I remember when I quit my job and my old boss wanted me to come back for a couple weeks just until they got the new hire, and it was so interesting to me because it was like nothing in my head—I just had this feeling, like I thought about it and thought about it, I really didn’t want to do it, but then I said I’ll do it for kind of this very large amount of money. So I thought well, if they’ll pay me that, then I’ll do it. Because I thought, because not working I’m doing something so important. I felt like I was doing something so much more important than going back to work. I didn’t know what it was.
And it’s weird, because it’s not like I’m doing anything per se, except I feel like I’m just creating…I’m not filling myself up with stuff, so I can let myself focus a little bit. I still know where I drift off and I lose my focus, but it’s easier to focus without all those other distractions.
But it’s just very interesting. (Laughs) It was very interesting to me that I thought I was like doing something so important, and I had no clue what it would be. And I’m not necessarily doing “anything,” in quotation marks, because I know we’re always doing something. But—
ELIAS: But then I would say that actually what you are doing IS very important. What you are expressing now, what you opened this conversation with, in being inspired or being motivated, this is all part of it. And this IS very important, because this is leading you in a direction, my friend. Doors are opening, and it’s leading you into being able to touch so many more people than you already do.
ANN: It feels huge. It’s kind of this weird feeling. It feels huge without really even knowing why, but I just am learning bit by bit. I don’t care how fast, I don’t care how slow, I’m just learning bit by bit this new way of living, through everything.
Like I gave myself this nice little experience. We’re in Utah now, skiing with John’s daughter and her six kids. And the day they all got here, I could feel myself… Because no one was doing anything I’m like “Oh my god, everyone has to get ski rentals, everyone has to get tickets, da-da-da.” And I could feel myself wanting to say, “Okay people, do this, do that.” And then I thought, you know, I am going to let go—that’s control, that’s control. I understood that, it’s control. And I’m like, it’s okay. I mean, John was going to do that or they were going to do it—I mean, why was I taking up this thing to do it all? They’re all capable. And I just sat back, and I just kind of observed, and I didn’t do my push-push-pushing, which sometimes I could see like I want everyone to ”Okay, you’ve got to do this, you’ve got to do this.”
And so, there are a few things I noticed which were all wonderful. One was everything got done beautifully. I didn’t do anything, and I saw the unfolding of it. I just observed it, and it was effortless. One person looked this up, and no one orchestrated it. It just seemed to unfold. So, that was great. And then the other thing I noticed was I realized by doing that how much energy was…like I wasn’t as worn out. I didn’t give all my energy away or something. It didn’t exhaust me. Doing it the other way, the control way, is exhausting. (Laughs)
ELIAS: I would say that is a TREMENDOUS realization, because that is actually correct and true. The more you move in the direction of control, the more exhausting it actually is, because you are expressing that tremendous amount of energy.
ANN: Yeah.
So anyhow, I have… I know I’ve asked you this many times and it’s been asked to you in many different forms, but maybe if I ask you again I’ll get a little bit more clarity on this. So, you know about following feelings, I’ve been paying attention to that. For example, like I’m wondering about following a feeling and not following a feeling and then like listening to my body.
So, just a very simple, concrete example: Let’s say I wanted to go work out or something, or do my yoga. And some days I get up and I really want to do it—it feels really good, it feels great. There might be a day that I’m like getting up and I’m “Meh, I don’t really feel like doing it.” So, what is the difference between going “All right, I’m going to follow this feeling, I’m going to just sit on the couch and da-da-da,” versus saying, “You know what? I’m going to listen to my body, and my body is saying it really doesn’t want to move this way right now, so I will give it a rest,” versus saying, “You know what? Maybe if I change and don’t follow that feeling, drop it, become neutral, think of things that ARE inspiring and energizing, and THEN doing the yoga.” So, what’s the difference there? Like I guess my question is, “When should I honor or follow a feeling or pay attention?” I mean, I should always pay attention but say, “Okay, this feeling is telling me to do this.” Maybe I’m answering my own question. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I would say that is the point, and that is…I would say to you, when is it appropriate to follow a feeling? Never.
ANN: Right. But listen to what it’s telling me. Okay.
ELIAS: It isn’t about following a feeling.
ANN: Yes.
ELIAS: It’s about receiving the statement ABOUT the feeling or that the feeling is leading you to. It is about paying attention, recognizing that when you have a feeling it is a signal. Therefore, what is the statement that you are presenting to yourself that you created that signal for? And then it is a matter of generating choices in relation to that statement, whether you move in relation to that, or… such as if you feel tired, whether you actually lie down, rest, take a nap, or whether you do something to energize yourself. But it has to do with, “What is the statement?,” and in that, paying attention to THAT, acknowledging that feeling—that is what acknowledging the feeling means, is you see it, you are paying attention, you know that that’s a signal, you see it for what it is. And then, from that, you stop paying attention to the feeling, because you know that that IS only a signal, and you move in the direction of whatever it is that you are communicating to yourself, whatever it is that you are telling yourself in relation TO that signal.
ANN: Okay. So, that just clicked in place a lot more, so thank you.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Excellent! That is excellent. (Chuckles)
ANN: So, going along this feeling line, just help me...I’m not even quite sure what I’m looking for here, so let’s just maybe explore this with me. So, like we’re here in Utah, and then we had some friends with us, and the woman, she has a horse, and it’s at someone’s barn that she has it stabled at. And they sent her a picture, it was holding its leg up, and as this day is unraveling – it still really makes me sad right now – but as this day is unraveling… (Emotionally) And it’s weird, like right now I just want to cry, and it doesn’t make sense but it’s making me sad. But as this day is unraveling, things happen. Long story short, it ends up that by the end of the day she had to put the horse down. So now I’m really sad about it. I’ve never even seen this horse! My question, I guess, is my feeling, is this empathy that I’m just feeling her sadness that is making me sad? Or is there more to it? I mean, it’s so weird.
ELIAS: I would say both. I would say that partially you are experiencing that empathy with the other individual in relation to her experience. I would also say that this is one of those situations in which it is an animal that has shared creators. Which I have expressed previously with other individuals, that sometimes you are a sole creator of an animal, and sometimes you are creating an animal with other people. And therefore, especially with horses, this happens very frequently, in which this is the reason that horses in many, many, many situations change owners within their lifetime. They don’t, many times, remain with the same owner, or they change. They may have one for a particular amount of time, they may move to another and then to another; and in that, I would say that this is an example of these situations in which the animal is not configured by just one individual. It is a combined creation. [Phone begins cutting out] The animal will actually generate a connection with people that it has been created by, and sometimes in the [inaudible].
Therefore, in addition to the empathy that you feel and experience in relation to the other individual, you are also experiencing a feeling of [inaudible]. Sometimes they don’t physically manifest that themselves—meaning they physically engage all of their creators in one lifetime—but they will make their energy known to them in some manner or another. They may not necessarily be configuring that particular lifetime in which they are being companions with all of the people that [inaudible]. Sometimes they alter [inaudible].
[Phone problems continue. First part of audio ends after 19 minutes, then connection is re-established]
ELIAS: Continuing.
ANN: Oh my god. So, was that on my end because I was emotional? Or were you just coming in really strong? What the heck happened?
ELIAS: I would say both. And in that, I would reiterate what this is, is sometimes animals are created by multiple people. Sometimes by one person, but sometimes by multiple people, especially horses. They do this frequently. And in that, they don’t always connect with all of the people that have configured them or all of the people that created them or all of the people that have been companions to them. They don’t always connect with all of them in each lifetime—meaning that they don’t always intersect with them as animal companions—but somehow in energy they do connect in different configurations, and that they will generate some type of expression to connect with each of the people that have actually created that energy.
As I have expressed previously, that energy, once it has been created, then configures itself, and each time an animal disengages, it either continues on in relation to moving back to your energy or it reconfigures in relation to another expression of an animal companion—or a different animal. It might NOT be a companion; it might be what you term to be a wild animal.
BUT—in this, I would say that sometimes how an animal chooses to connect with one of the humans that have been involved in its creation can be very creative. (Laughs) And I would say this is one of those situations.
ANN: Whoa. So I was one of the people involved in creating this animal?
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: Wow! That’s so weird. And I never met him.
ELIAS: But it doesn’t matter. You HAVE, in other lifetimes.
ANN: Wow. So, was Jean (Lyla), was she also one of the creators?
ELIAS: Not of this particular horse.
ANN: So, Whitney obviously, she was one of the creators, right?
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: Whitney, me, and anybody else?
ELIAS: With this particular horse, yes.
ANN: Oh, Wanda, I bet. Oh my god.
ELIAS: The people that incorporated the horse as a youngling, and the people that were involved in the breeding and birthing of the horse. Therefore, everyone that this horse has actually been connected to in this lifetime, and you, it has made a connection with in relation to all of the people that have collectively created it.
ANN: Wow. Hm! How about that? That is going to… I just have to let that sit for a little bit. (Elias laughs) Wow. Hm. So interesting.
ELIAS: As I said, horses do this frequently, because they generally don’t incorporate one singular animal companion, or human-to-animal companion, within their life. But dogs do this to a considerable degree also. Cats do it in relation to how they roam, many times, and engage with different people and connect with different people. And in that, I would say that of all of them, though, horses do it the most frequently, the most commonly.
ANN: So, you said that sometimes they can come back as a wild animal. Are ALL wild animals reconfigured energy from people? Or are some wild animals not?
ELIAS: All wild animals are created by the energy of essences, which would be all of you. Most wild animals are collective creations, not singular individual creations. And in that, they don’t generally intersect with people, and they don’t make that individual connection with people in an objective capacity because they have been created collectively, and that is different. But not all of them; sometimes there are wild animals that are created by different individuals, and that will be evident in how many people they actually intersect with in their lifetime.
ANN: Okay. Interesting.
All right, I do want to talk about the realization of me realizing I am creating my reality. I know I’m definitely moving into that direction of feeling and understanding and experiencing it. It’s still very slight—I am aware of that—as compared to what I’m probably doing. I know I’m doing it 100%. Once you said I was dipping my toes in, and now I feel like maybe my feet are wet. (Laughs) We will see.
But I’m not quite sure what questions I want to ask, but just…you know me and my curiosities, I have one question. So, yesterday one of John’s granddaughters—I ski, they snowboard, but she was having a really hard time snowboarding. I really couldn’t help her with her snowboarding technique, but I wanted to be able to encourage her with my words or with my support. So I am wondering, when I was with her yesterday was I being more supportive, which I think I was, or more like discounting of her?
ELIAS: Why would you express the question of discounting her?
ANN: Well, I have this association with myself that I’m trying to be very aware of not telling people what to do, because that’s been a pattern of mine, telling people what to do, which I am finding out can be discounting.
So, I was thinking from my experiences or from what I’m getting with her… You know, I could tell she could do more than she thought she could do. I knew she did, because when she would fall I could just… It would seem like a habit or something. So I was telling her, “You can do more,” or I was saying, “It’s okay to be upset. It’s okay if you fall down, and you can get back up,” or I would say, “Okay, get back up,” or I was saying, “Okay, don’t fall on the first turn this time. Give it three or four turns and then fall.” So, I was…I did think I was being supportive, and part of me thought she… You know, it’s nice to have someone in your corner, so I thought maybe that was good. But then I was trying, in myself, saying, “Okay, I don’t want to go over that line of telling someone what to do,” and from the respect, “Oh, I know more about you than you know,” or like that control. I’m just very… wanting to be very super-aware of that. So, you know, I did what I did for a while, and then I stopped and I’m like “Okay, she can do whatever on her own.” I just kind of like stepped back out of it.
So I was just curious. Was I at a nice balance in that? Was I overstepping? I mean, I just know from past associations that I can have a tendency to tell people what to do, and I don’t want to be discounting of people. So, I’m just sensitive to that.
ELIAS: I would say that you weren’t discounting, that you actually WERE being helpful in expressing that encouragement with her. And I would also say that for the most part, because you are aware of it, because you are paying attention to it, you aren’t being discounting and you aren’t being controlling, and if you begin to be, you catch yourself. Therefore, I would be very acknowledging of you in that, my friend, that I would say you are accomplishing quite well.
ANN: Well, thank you, because I want to. I like this new way of living that I am venturing into.
ELIAS: And in that, this is all practicing in the direction of being intentional.
ANN: Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Creating these choices intentionally—not moving in automatic directions, but looking at what you are doing, thinking about what you are doing, thinking about what you want to be, who you want to be, how you want to express yourself and then moving in that direction, and not simply moving in automatic pilot.
ANN: Yeah. And I know I am doing that more and more, and I feel it and it feels awesome.
But actually, this will lead me into another question. I was going to say, one reason I know that I am being successful and moving in a direction that I want to move is because of my reflection, of the reflection of the people around me. My interactions with people are going better. They’re being more fulfilling, more pleasant. I am liking my interactions more.
So, then I have this—oh, actually I might have answered this question, too. I think I know the answer to this one (Elias laughs), but I’ll say it. So I was thinking, I was talking with Denise where I was saying, “You know, if the whole world is a reflection of us, you would think it would reflect more of our beliefs.” And the one specific area that I was thinking about this was the Covid thing. I’m like, “Gosh, I feel like more people are taking it so much more seriously than I am. Since I don’t think it’s that big of a deal, why am I not reflecting that more?” And then when I actually was talking to Denise, I figured it out. It was like, “Oh my god, because I’m fucking resisting it! That’s what I’m reflecting to myself”—which I’m resisting less and less, and ironically it’s becoming less and less important. Ha ha ha! So anyhow, do you have anything more to add to that? Or did I kind of answer my own question?
ELIAS: I would say you definitely answered your own question and that that is precisely what has been happening. And in that, I would also say that remember that reflections are not mirrors.
ANN: Right. Right.
ELIAS: Therefore, what you see outwardly is not a mirror. And in that, you may be expressing uncomfortableness or resistance or opposition in some other direction and you are reflecting it in this expression.
ANN: Ah!
ELIAS: You may be expressing resistance and opposition in relation to the world in different capacities: government, or people in general in how they express. I can express one direction in which you have expressed that is a resistance and in a judgment in relation to climate change, or clean water, or clean air.
ANN: Ha! (Laughs) Damn!
ELIAS: These are subjects that are important to you. And in that, you do have judgments about people that aren’t respectful of that and that aren’t moving in the direction of being conscious, in your terms, of clean water and clean air and creating that and being mindful of it. And in that, as a mass expression it may be reflected to you in the resistance and the continued judgments in relation to the virus.
ANN: All right. I get it.
ELIAS: Because that is a mass expression. That is the world reflecting back to you, rather than simply one individual.
ANN: All right. I hear you. Ha! (Elias laughs) This is really interesting. Ha! All right. All right.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would also say that the more you move in other directions, the more the world likely will begin reflecting in very different manners to you.
ANN: Yeah. All right, so this is the stage where I pay attention to what I’m doing and pay attention to the reflection, and then I’ll kind of hone my craft from there. Hm!
ELIAS: Therefore, perhaps moving in the other direction, in which you begin to pay attention to the choices that you are engaging and being aware of the interconnectedness and flow with that, and where that is…or where you are leading yourself in that, and therefore, the interconnectedness about that. And in that, rather than looking for the reflection…
ANN: Okay. Okay. I got that. I got it too. So can I—
ELIAS: Instead of looking in hindsight, you may be looking in foresight.
ANN: Okay, that’s really good, really good. So, let me ask you this: Mary was explaining a situation—I really loved her explaining that—like she had that experience where she went visually, or she understood and could see the different paths, the whole different paths. And at that point, you know maybe I’ll be able to do that, maybe I won’t. I don’t know, but at this point I haven’t had that experience yet of seeing the different paths. So, when I’m making my choices, what…? Do I just use my feeling as a barometer? I just do the pause? Do I get balanced and then feel the flow, which one feels more natural? Because it’s not like…
Okay, just to simplify it, here’s door A, B and C; C leads here, B leads here and A leads there. Obviously I don’t know where they lead at that point; I just know what the door looks like. So, what is the best way?
ELIAS: You may NOT know what the door looks like. And in that, you may only recognize one choice. But the point is, is that how you begin is you begin being aware of choices that you are engaging in general. You make choices in every moment. Every moment of your existence involves a choice. Therefore, being aware of whatever it is that you are doing in a particular moment, such as the example that you gave with encouraging the other individual with the snowboarding. Now in that, you were actually paying attention to what you were doing, but you aren’t thinking about it as a choice.
ANN: Right.
ELIAS: This is the difference.
ANN: Okay.
ELIAS: Now it is a matter of recognizing you see what you are doing and you are paying attention to what you are doing, because you are paying attention to what you want to do and you are paying attention to what you don’t want to do. But now, take that another step and pay attention to what you are doing and then recognize that as being a choice: “I make a choice to encourage this person.” And then…
Now, understand: You may not see farther than that in many of the choices, even when you catch yourself and recognize that this moment is a choice. BUT—the more you do that, the closer you move to that point of being able to then see beyond what is happening in this moment: how this subject is interconnected with another subject, how this moment is interconnected with the next moment or a moment two hours from now or a moment tomorrow. But not seeing it from hindsight two hours from now or tomorrow, but being able to see IN THE MOMENT: “This is the choice that I am making.” And from that you can actually see beyond this choice where you’re directing yourself, where it’s leading. That will answer your question of, “Was I being helpful, was I being encouraging or was I being controlling?” Because you can see what energy you are projecting—not waiting for the reflection, not looking at everything AS a reflection.
That, up until now, my friend, has been me giving all of you information about past tense, what has already been, looking at everything in hindsight, because you don’t know what you are actually doing. You don’t know what you are choosing. You don’t even know you ARE choosing. You don’t know what you are projecting—or you haven’t known, to this point. And therefore, the most effective manner to give you information for you to become more and more aware of your reality and creating it, and what you are doing, is by giving you avenues and examples of what already has been projected and therefore what is being reflected to you and what you can see as a result of what has been projected.
Now, in that also, looking at your connections with other people, with situations, by looking at subjects in compartmentalizing—that each subject has many branches to it, many facets to it, and you are noticing connections between yourself and the subject and perhaps other people and different situations, but all in the same subject. Such as you are engaged on a ski trip, and you likely can see some connections between yourself and other people that are engaging this trip with you. You can see different connections in relation to the situations and what you all are doing and all the implications in relation to this one subject.
This is another avenue that I have given all of you considerable information about, about connecting and making those connections and seeing those connections. You term them to be synchronicities, and in that, also seeing your reflections. But all of that, to this point, has been expressed from the perspective of hindsight: what you saw, what connection you are making because of what you saw. Now you are moving in the opposite direction of making choices based in foresight, not hindsight, actually seeing what you are doing as being a choice, and then being able to see from the perspective of a choice where you are directing yourself, where you are leading yourself in relation to that choice. What doors are you opening? What direction are you moving in? Therefore, also seeing what energy you are projecting before you generate the reflection. Not that you are looking for reflections to happen—you aren’t, because you are attempting to be present and observing whatever reflections are happening now.
But all of that is still hindsight, because whatever reflections are happening now projected the energy long before that.
ANN: Yeah.
ELIAS: And this is what you are moving into now, my friend, is moving in the direction of actually being able to be intentional, being able to create your reality intentionally by being aware that you ARE making choices and what they are and what choices you have, and what the implications of each of them are. And in that, that shows you where you are steering your ship.
And I will express to you—I have expressed this recently to a couple of other individuals also—this is another piece in all of this, this piece of your ship and opportunity and that your ship never only docks once. And what I will emphasize in that is that in over a quarter of a century, I have used that analogy many, many times and I have never once expressed THE ship.
ANN: Oh. Interesting!
ELIAS: I have always expressed YOUR ship never docks only once. You think of it as THE ship, the ship of opportunity.
ANN: Oh my god!
ELIAS: This is not what I have said to you, for in that, YOU are the captain of the ship.
ANN: Yes.
ELIAS: You are steering it. You are docking it. And you don’t only move to that dock once; you revisit that harbor and that dock repeatedly. But it is a matter of whether you actually exit the boat when you move to that particular dock. Whether you stay on the boat or whether you exit the boat and take the opportunity and acquire the gold and the silks and the jewels that are there at that particular port, or whether you stay on the boat and you don’t necessarily engage all of the jewels or the riches that are in that port. THAT is what I have been saying to you all these years. It is YOUR ship, and what YOU do with it.
ANN: Thank you. That was all really good. (Elias laughs)
Now just a couple more minutes, but I kind of want to just ask you this question. It seems like maybe a moot point question, or like “what’s the purpose” question, except the purpose for me is I just think it’ll be… It’s just kind of a fun idea, like little fantasies or stories or you know, how everything… Anyhow, I’ll just ask it.
Okay. So, I was listening to Lyssa Royal, she does these channelings. She draws a card of the month and gives information on that. And so this month, this card said—and it had to do with the Sirians…She does them in like past, present and future eras, and this was a past Sirian card. And the card was saying that right now, all the polarity that we are experiencing as humans is coming from this trauma experienced 12,000 years ago, like it’s a cycle for humans to go to sleep and then wake.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ANN: But 12,000 years ago the Sirians left and humans became so lonely, and then the spiritual leaders of the time were trying to keep the humans awake but they couldn’t, and then that’s when we went into the sleep—it’s either 12- or 13,000 years ago. And then because we thought that this was this huge failure that we couldn’t stay awake, and from the shame or the pain of that failure we’re experiencing these polarities.
So I know whenever we hear anything, you know they’re all allegories, or there’s always a billion ways to interpret something and different ways to express it, but I was just curious about what your take on all that is—just for nothing more than curiosity and fun, because stories are fun.
ELIAS: And they are. And stories always have information.
ANN: Yes.
ELIAS: And I would say that this is actually an excellent story, and that it is, figuratively speaking, somewhat accurate, although there are pockets, in a manner of speaking, in there, that there were some that you could express were awake, but not many. And I would say that it is an excellent… It’s an excellent story to illustrate a point and to encourage people now to be moving in the direction of being more aware, or in other words waking up. I would say that it is excellent; it is simply a different manner of expressing the same information.
ANN: And is this 12-, 13,000-year timeline kind of accurate?
ELIAS: I would say yes, with those exceptions of those pockets. There were some civilizations that would have been exceptions to that, but yes.
ANN: Like the Mayans? Were they exceptions to that?
ELIAS: Yes.
ANN: Yeah. Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, there are some exceptions, and in that, they would be the pockets. But for the most part, most of the people, yes, it would apply to.
ANN: Hm. Well, all right. Well, that seems to be what we’ve kind of been thinking anyway—it was just weird… Oh! So, then the other question: So that means like 12-, 13,000 years ago most of the people on earth were quote-unquote “awake,” for lack of a better word?
ELIAS: For a time, yes. Yes. I would say yes.
ANN: Hm! And then, so this going to—I’m just going to use these words for ease—then going to the sleep, would that be the same thing as saying that’s when we decided to go into separation, so we could have the experiences that we’re having?
ELIAS: No, no, no, no, no.
ANN: Okay.
ELIAS: No.
ANN: Okay, that’s a whole different thing.
ELIAS: I would say that has occurred much, much, much earlier than that.
ANN: Yeah. Okay. So, interesting.
ELIAS: And that occurred when you began as—
ANN: Physical.
ELIAS: — for human experience [inaudible], therefore that would have been much earlier.
ANN: So what was the purpose of going into this quote-unquote “sleep”?
ELIAS: What I would say is that you have moved in that direction in relation to paying less and less attention to self and paying more and more attention to everything outside of yourself, and then moving in the direction of paying more and more attention to the ultimate expression of outside of yourself: God.
ANN: (Laughs) Oh, that’s funny. So, so—
ELIAS: Therefore, expressions of religious directions.
ANN: Interesting. Well, didn’t the Mayans even have a god?
ELIAS: Mm…Yes and no. But in that, they actually believed that THEY were gods.
ANN: Okay.
ELIAS: Very similar to the Egyptians.
ANN: Oh! Very interesting. Oh my god. So, this could be so—
ELIAS: They would be another pocket, because they also, I would say for the most part, were awake; and in that, I would say that that was a similarity between many of these cultures and civilizations. Any of the civilizations that incorporated pyramids, they actually believed…with each culture they believed themselves to be the gods.
ANN: Okay, and just for example, in the Egyptian civilization, the slaves at that time, were they also awake?
ELIAS: (Pause) Not all. Partially, I would say; partially.
ANN: So the people of that time that WERE awake, how did they…? Oh my god. Okay, I’m going to have to stop, because I have to go. Oh, this could be fascinating conversations (Elias laughs). I’ve got to write this down, because we may or may—who knows what, our next time we meet, what will be interesting me, but that kind of slave… Oh my god. Okay, I have to think about my questions. I have to do my own little research or exploration, figure out what I figure out, and then maybe we’ll talk about this. This could be hugely interesting to me.
ELIAS: Very well.
ANN: Okay. I have to go. Thank you, Elias. This was so much fun. I really… Oh, I cannot even express, express my excitement, my enthusiasm, how my appreciation of you that I express all the time, you and Mary and everything you guys do, this is… It’s like a miracle! It’s a miracle from where I was to where I am and to where I can see I’m going. It’s just… Oh my god. Thank you. Thank you!
ELIAS: You are exceptionally welcome. And I shall tremendously be anticipating our next meeting in exceptional fun.
ANN: Yes. Yes!
ELIAS: In tremendous love to you, my friend, and great encouragement in everything that you are doing, until our next meeting, au revoir.
ANN: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 4 minutes)
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