Session 202101081

Mother's Swift Disengagement

Topics:

Session 202101081
“Mother's Swift Disengagement”
“Self-Directing vs. Self-Structuring”
“Pink Energy Center”
“Hair, Teeth and Feet”

Friday, January 8, 2021 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Ben (Sumarian)

ELIAS: Good evening!

BEN: Oh, Elias. (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Laughs) What shall we discuss, my friend?

BEN: I had a really long conversation with Michael which was quite entertaining and interesting, but I have some other things that we could discuss. I made a short list. You know, it's funny: every time before I have a conversation with you I used to get all worked up and tense, like I'm having to pass an exam, like I have to do my homework, and this time I caught myself early on and I said, “You know what? Screw that, just go talk to your friend.”

ELIAS: (Laughs) Excellent. (Chuckles)

BEN: What I want to start off with is what I was talking with Mary about, what I would call my mother's very swift disengagement last week which was quite intense, quite dramatic, a very unique experience. And I thought maybe we can sort of just shed some light without, you know, diving too deeply into her motivations and all these details which are her own. But the interesting thing is that everything seemed to be going more or less so as usual. A year ago she was diagnosed with some growth in her stomach, which of course impacted her mood, and she started chemotherapy. And then about two months ago she all of a sudden stopped eating, and she says, “I don't want to eat. Leave me alone.” And two weeks ago she just said, “Take me to the hospital, I don't feel good,” and a week later she was dead. And all this was done with a lot of intention, a lot of direction and with full awareness, which totally blew me away to see somebody enacting and orchestrating this event called disengagement with a lot of determination. And I thought maybe we could explore, maybe you could help me understand what hastened her choice to move in that direction so quickly.

ELIAS: I would say that it was simply a choice, that she simply made the choice and enacted it. It wasn't necessarily a matter of what made it happen so quickly; it was not a matter of something that was, in your terminology, in the works for a long time and therefore what made this happen so quickly or what hastened it. It wasn't in the works for a long time; it was simply that she moved to a point in which that was the direction that she decided to move in, and she did. And in that, I would say that this is an example of being aware of what you are choosing.

Some people are more objectively aware of their choice in this direction. And for her, I would say it simply was a matter of she chose that at that time. She knew she was moving in that direction, that was her intention, and she did it. I would say no different for her than any other choice of a direction, that once she decided that this was what she wanted to do, regardless of what the action was, then she simply did it.

BEN: That sounds like a tremendous accomplishment to enact such a choice in such a direction without what you would call specific anguish or pain or oh my God I can't take it anymore. It's like, I want to end this and here I go. Goodbye.

ELIAS: Yes! Which, I would reiterate was simply characteristic of her.

BEN: It was.

ELIAS: When she put her mind to a certain direction, when she wanted to move in a certain direction, when she wanted to do something, when she chose something, she simply did it.

BEN: Yeah, that's definitely her.

ELIAS: And this was no different. This was very much typically her, in how she expressed herself and the direction that she moved in in relation to her choices.

BEN: And what you’re saying is that the choice to disengage, or to die, is not more complicated to choose for her than any other choice that she made before.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Is that in general for individuals? Or are you saying in line with her personality?

ELIAS: I would say both. I would say actually it is that simple, but for most people, they don't necessarily move in that direction. Most people complicate it, and they don't realize that this is a choice as much as any other choice, and it is actually as simple as any other choice and that in that, they can choose that and move in that direction that simply—but most people don't realize that. And I would also say that in addition to that, this was part of her personality, that she simply did this and anything, that when she put her mind to a certain direction, that was what she did.

BEN: That sounds like such a beautiful ending of a movie, because I know I felt a lot of sadness and grief, and you've always said, “Okay, this is yours, it’s okay.” But to hear that and to know that about her, it makes me appreciate her even more.

ELIAS: I would say that that is excellent, my friend.

BEN: Okay. So, I wanted to ask you about an event that happened several days before she disengaged. I came to their house and I found her water glass all broken on the floor, bits of glass. And I was wondering if that was a kind of participation of her energy, or was it just me creating that imagery for myself?

ELIAS: No, I would say that that definitely was her participating.

BEN: And that was symbolic just for just saying that…what? Just…

ELIAS: Yes! I would say it is very symbolic, but also for the most part very obvious, that it is simply a symbolic statement of imagery of being done.

BEN: Oh!

ELIAS: “That's the end.”

BEN: Wow. I feel so humble to have been with this person during that week, and my sister said the same thing, and I think all of us said the same thing, to see this happening with so much resolve and calmness is just incredible—totally incredible.

ELIAS: I understand. And I would say that this is an excellent example of being directed.

BEN: Wow. And it’s funny because I’ve been interacting with her for years, and sometimes I told her about the sessions and the material, and it turns out that regardless of what information she offers to herself, she actually was quite self-directing all the way.

ELIAS: I would agree.

BEN: I don't think I paid attention or noticed that when I was younger. We knew that she usually does and gets what she wants, and everybody in the family knows that, but I never translated that to be self-directing.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would say that it very much is; and in that, it was definitely an expression of determination and that she simply WAS very directed and that when she made a choice, that was the direction that she moved in.

BEN: Wow. Marvelous.

Now, I have some other…could you maybe give me…I'm curious about the essence name of this individual, my mother.

ELIAS: One moment. Essence name Nori, N-O-R-I.

BEN: All right. I got a number yesterday [of] 139,and I thought, could that be the number of shared focuses with this individual?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: It is. Okay. And I have a painting. I took one of her paintings home which is a very pretty painting. In that painting there are two people standing under a bridge looking at the sun. And my impression is that this is me and her, potentially in some shared focus, I think in the future.

ELIAS: Correct. It is an interpretation, but yes, you are correct.

BEN: And is it possible that it’s in the 23rd century?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: And is it in Switzerland somewhere, close to Italy? Somewhere over there?

ELIAS: Correct. Congratulations!

BEN: Oh, I'm a bit surprised, but maybe not so much. Okay. And the last bit I got about this was two names. I got this name of Viveca and Vittorio, which is a male and female. Who are they?

ELIAS: That would be both of you.

BEN: Are we siblings?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: And I am the male, Vittorio?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Oh, wow. So these impressions are much easier than I thought, because I was just walking on the beach and all of these things came into my mind. And I always remember what you say, that most of these impressions are always correct.

ELIAS: Yes, they are.

BEN: I was asking myself, in general, an individual like an essence that removes an attention like my mother, what would the motivation be to interact, for example, with myself? In what manner would that happen? I mean, what would be the benefit for her essence?

ELIAS: Meaning what, precisely? Now?

BEN: In general. Let's say after the two weeks are over and she may start to create imagery: In general, somebody that disengages this physical reality, why would they want to interact with anybody in this reality once they left it?

ELIAS: First of all, for a time framework they don't remember their death, and therefore they are interacting with you because they believe they are still within physical focus.

BEN: Okay.

ELIAS: And therefore they are continuing to be interactive with you as they would if they were still in physical focus. Then after they remember their death—which generally is a time framework before they remember that—but after they remember their death, I would say that they still may be choosing to be interactive with individuals in physical focus because they love you.

BEN: Oh.

ELIAS: And in that, they know they can connect with you, even if the individual in physical focus doesn't realize that they can be connecting with someone that has died.

BEN: So the relationships basically can continue depending on the participants: that’s what I hear.

ELIAS: They DO continue regardless of the participants.

BEN: Oh. And until they recognize their death, I thought they were just creating all of their imagery. Are you saying that they are creating all of their imagery but they are actually accessing my energy and other individuals' energy?

ELIAS: Yes! Yes.

BEN: Ohhh.

ELIAS: They simply don't realize that they are dead. They simply don't realize that that energy is being translated in a particular manner. They don't realize that that energy isn't actually coming through the images of the people.

BEN: Oh, and that's the holes that you mentioned that eventually they start noticing those black holes.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

BEN: Wow, that sounds like a lot of excitement. (Elias laughs)

So, when I try and imagine how I would interact, let's say, with this individual, what I usually do is I use my imagination because it’s easier for me. Just like I do it with you, I imagine conversations, and that's an efficient way for me to communicate, right?

ELIAS: Most definitely. Yes.

BEN: Because dream state doesn't work for me that well, because I'm not aware enough in dreams and I usually don't remember the imagery, so imagination is like a waking action.

ELIAS: Yes. I very much understand and would be very encouraging of you.

BEN: Right. So that day that I was having an imaginary conversation about one day after she died, in the living room just joking around with her—everybody was outside, so I could do it without being seen as crazy—and for a fraction of a second I smelled her perfume.

ELIAS: Yes, that is very real.

BEN: That's very real. And that crimson coat that I found downstairs that I don't know where it came from, as soon as I put my hand on it I knew that this is for me. And I put it on and I wore it, and I almost felt like I was in her presence.

ELIAS: I would say that in that you were definitely connecting with her energy, yes.

BEN: Oh, with using the coat?

ELIAS: Yes, yes.

BEN: Oh, my God. That was just marvelous just to feel that coat. I sat with it all evening.

She is not aware of these interactions right now because it's the two weeks where she sort of blinked out, right?

ELIAS: Correct. But understand that for her, that is literally a blink. There is no time that is occurring for her. Therefore, it isn't that she is oblivious and in some state that is disconnected or waiting—no, that isn't what happens. In her perception, it is simply a blink.

BEN: And when she resumes and begins to create objective imagery, does she have a sense of time somewhat similar to what we have?

ELIAS: She does have a sense of time, although time is different—it moves much, much, much more quickly. Therefore, it can be a situation in which what you experience as the passage of a year may be two or three months for her.

BEN: Oh, and for her it would feel like a natural passage of time.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And it isn't standardized, in a manner of speaking, such as with your reality. In physical reality you have a standardized time framework. You have a calendar, you have clocks, and you measure time the same throughout your world, but in nonphysical it varies between different individuals.

BEN: And it can move backwards as well, I guess—or not.

ELIAS: It can in relation to what THEY are creating, but not in relation to moving backwards in YOUR time.

BEN: Okay. And that creation of imagery can go on, in our timeframe it could go on for years, for ten years even, depending on the person.

ELIAS: Yes, it could, but it isn't ten years for them.

BEN: Right. Are there people that remain and continue for extended timeframes to create imagery because they just like it?

ELIAS: Yes, there are. And there are people that remember their death and choose to remain in that experience of continuing with the perception and objective imagery for quite some time, simply because they enjoy it, yes.

BEN: So it's still curiosity and having a good time, regardless of what area you’re in?

ELIAS: Yes!

BEN: Excellent, that's perfect. That's consciousness for you. (Elias chuckles)

All right, another anecdote: I seem to have run a lot of times into this word called Outlander. It's a kind of brand of a car, and I looked up the word, and the word actually describes how I’ve been feeling for the past year as an Outlander, which means I am actually here physically but I don't feel like I can relate much to everyone else. And I don't think I have a problem with that, because it's a very descriptive word. I was wondering if there are limitations or if this is like a communication to pay attention to that.

ELIAS: I would say, not necessarily. I would say it is merely you becoming more aware and defining that to yourself, or defining your experience to yourself. And in that, I would say that you are not uncomfortable with it. Likely you aren't uncomfortable with it at this point because you are being more self-aware, and therefore it isn't bothersome to you.

BEN: It's not. It actually creates a contrast where I see myself much clearer being slightly an Outlander, because I sort of know who I am now, and it's very difficult to move that knowing out of that presence; it’s very difficult.

ELIAS: I understand.

BEN: Okay, I didn't think there was a problem with that.

Now, something that's been bugging me for quite some time about the two terms that you use in relation to this pandemic, self-directing and self-structuring. And I can't really understand why you chose two separate terms, because I keep saying to myself, “If somebody is self-directing, it would necessarily imply that they are self-structuring.”

ELIAS: Not necessarily, no. That is not actually the situation. And the reason that I have expressed that and have been defining that with individuals is because being self-structuring isn't as black and white as people think.

BEN: Okay.

ELIAS: I have expressed that most people in your world, most people are a part of the masses of the workforce; and in that, those people don't structure themselves for the most part. They do to a slight degree, but for the most part they don't, because they are allowing themselves to move in a direction in which their structure is provided for them.

BEN: By the employer.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore, they work a certain number of hours, they have a certain structure in the work environment, and their time away from work is also structured for them.

Now, that doesn't mean that everyone now will be structuring themselves in a manner in which they are not a part of the workforce; that isn't what it means in relation to this piece of self-structuring. It is a matter of becoming aware of who you are, what your natural inclination is, and being aware if you are an individual that is more comfortable with being in that direction of having most of your structure being provided for you—which is not bad and is definitely not less aware. That is a complete misunderstanding when individuals move in that direction. It has nothing to do with that. It is simply a matter of recognizing what degree the individual is comfortable with in allowing their structure to be provided for them.

Now, what many, many, many individuals have learned in relation to this mass event [Covid-19] is that they actually like and appreciate being able to structure themselves slightly more, meaning that they themselves are choosing their structure and they enjoy working from home. They don't necessarily want to work from home ALL the time, although some individuals do, but many people recognize that there is a quality of social interaction in being able to go to a workplace and interact with other people—but they also appreciate and like working from home. And therefore, the dynamic of the workforce is changing, that many people are choosing to be structuring themselves differently, in which they are partially participating at the workplace but partially working from home and therefore having the ability to structure themselves in the manner that they choose when they are at home.

BEN: Oh, so this would explain…. I think that I’ve been doing it with my job at work, and I think I even organized some of the people in my company to become more self-structuring, and we’re actually running a whole project with very little participation of the management.

ELIAS: I understand.

BEN: Okay, so that is self-structuring. And self-directing would be, in general, what? How would that relate to self-structuring?

ELIAS: I would say that self-directing is that expression of you making your own choices, you making your own decisions, making your own choices, moving in your own directions and doing that continuously. Being self-directing is learning how to be responsible to you, that you are actually creating all of your reality—that you aren't co-creating, you aren't creating part of your reality, you are creating all of it—every moment, every situation, all of it. And in that, being more intentional, being more aware of what you are doing, and the more you move in the direction of becoming more self-aware, the more self-directing you are.

BEN: Oh, self-awareness goes hand in hand with being self-directing. All right.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: That that was an excellent explanation, because I was wondering. Okay, that is very, very clear.

Two small questions: The black cat that showed up at my door two years ago and has become probably my best buddy here in the building, I was wondering: Is that some speck of energy from some pet in some other focus, or this is just energy that I drew to myself?

ELIAS: I would say both. It is a reconfiguration of another animal companion that you have had, but it is also what you drew to yourself at that time to create another companionship.

BEN: Oh, wow. And that other animal was configured as what type of animal?

ELIAS: in the previous configuration? The previous configuration was a bird, and the configuration before that was a dog.

BEN: Oh. Wow, so there’s some history with this creature.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: And is there any significance in the fact that the whole building adores this cat and all the neighbors love him? Is that something that I created together with the neighbors to create some type of community in this building?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Wow. So I assume the skin problems that he had last year was all kinds of energy that I was going through, probably a lot of irritation, and he literally lost most of his fur, which is now okay, right?

ELIAS: I would agree, but I would also say that it wasn't only you.

BEN: Oh.

ELIAS: There were other people that participated in that also.

BEN: People that I know of in the building, or other members of my family, or who would they be?

ELIAS: Other people in the building that were contributing to that energy in relation to their own difficulties and irritations. And in that, all together I would say that the feline was reflecting that.

BEN: Wow. So creatures have an incredible ability to take on issues of other people.

ELIAS: They do.

BEN: Wow. That's quite incredible.

The other thing that has to do with…I have a yucca tree that was very vibrant for almost a year and started wilting, and I don't know why it would start to wilt when my energy is really nice and pleasant most of the time, although irritated, and I really don't know what to do with it. I try to take care of it, but it hasn't responded to anything I do.

ELIAS: What I would say to you is, place it somewhere that your mother frequented.

BEN: Frequented in my apartment, or frequented in her house?

ELIAS: Anywhere. It could be either place, but I would say place it in some area that your mother frequented where there is an energy deposit of her.

BEN: So, you are saying that the tree was somehow responding to her ongoing issues?

ELIAS: No, what I am saying is that the tree has been responsive to her energy, and in that, I would say at this point the tree would be responsive to her energy now. If you place it in some place that has an energy deposit of her, which would be any place that she frequented, she will automatically connect her energy to that place, and therefore she will automatically connect her energy to the tree and it will likely revive.

BEN: She didn't really frequent my apartment that much, so I don't think…are there energy deposits in my flat here in town? Because she rarely came here, maybe twice.

ELIAS: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. She didn't have to be there often.

BEN: So I could experiment and see where, if I sense or I try to place it in different places. I moved it recently, two months ago, from the corner where it was nearer the kitchen for some reason, and it still hasn't revived, so that was just intuition to move it away from that previous place. But I'm not sure that's the correct location.

ELIAS: I would agree, but I would acknowledge you that you had that intuition to move it.

BEN: And the only other intuition I had that I know that somehow connects with my mother is to place it in an area where it receives sunshine.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: And I know that she loved the sun and she loved the flowers, and she actually has a yucca in their garden at home. And that was the intuition, and I didn't act on it and perhaps I will attempt that.

ELIAS: And that would be the reason that you are generating the imagery that you are. When you don't respond to an intuition or an impression, then you will validate it because you didn't follow it.

BEN: Yeah, and then you would say in retrospect, “I should have listened.”

ELIAS: (Laughs) Precisely.

BEN: Wow. That's incredible, because I used to talk with her about her yucca tree, which is gigantic, and she saw photos of this tree many times and she really loved it, and it's really nice to hear about that connection. Wow, it's awesome. (Elias laughs)

Okay, now one thing I've been doing is following your discussions about regeneration with several individuals, and I think I’m doing quite a good job at noticing. One thing that you mentioned that really sounded important to me is noticing expressions of “less than,” which there are many. There are almost countless of those expressions, and I think it has become quite easy for me to notice when I'm doing it, and for the most part I don't do it anymore—hardly.

ELIAS: I would definitely agree with you. What I would say is, in relation to regeneration, notice whenever you are automatically expressing in any capacity in relation to age.

BEN: When I express things in relation to age, like I say, “Oh, look at this kid, he’s so cute”? Is that an example?

ELIAS: No, not necessarily in relation to a cute child, but in relation to age. And it doesn't have to be a person or yourself; it could be anything, such as the age of food and that you see a degeneration of the molecular structure in relation to the age of something.

BEN: Like when milk goes bad and becomes sour.

ELIAS: Yes. Or, when you are making a comment or an association in regard to yourself or in regard to any other individual, that you can't perform an activity that you would have done when you were younger, or that another individual shouldn't be doing a certain action because they don't have the mobility that they did when they were younger.

BEN: How about when I say, like, for example, “I look really good for my age, I look young, I feel young”? Does that count?

ELIAS: When you add “for my age,” yes, that would be another example. If you are simply acknowledging yourself and you are appreciating your appearance, that is different. But if you add that piece “for my age,” then yes, that would be another example of that.

BEN: And for example, yesterday at the cemetery I found some very, very old graves which I was quite curious about, and I did comment, for example, that once these old graves were built differently and the technology today is much more advanced. Is that another example?

ELIAS: Yes. “Outdated,” yes. It is actually astounding how many references you make to age.

BEN: But living in a society, every day it’s said by individuals a million times.

ELIAS: I am aware. But that doesn't mean that you necessarily are participating with that or agreeing with them. You don't have to dispute it, but it is a matter of you not echoing that and being aware of how frequently you move in these directions and express in these directions.

BEN: And many of these expressions involve no words.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Oh, wow. That sounds a little bit more tricky than expressing “less than,” isn't it?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Precisely. This is what I have expressed to other individuals: In relation to regeneration, it is a matter of being aware—and this is another part of self-awareness. It is a matter of being aware of all of these constructs that you don't even think about that you do automatically every day that reinforce degeneration rather than regeneration.

BEN: So, for example I've been doing a lot of movement with my body, which is incredible and it’s fun, and I do pay attention to the fact that I do this just for the doing and just because I'm curious not to become healthier and not to become better and to have a better heartbeat and everything, and that would be examples of age-related influences, right?

ELIAS: If you were doing it in that capacity of trying to be better, yes.

BEN: Right. And if I’m doing it just for doing it, just for the fun of it, that's fine, that's neutral.

ELIAS: Yes, yes. I would agree.

BEN: So overall, would you say that I’m accomplishing in allowing the body to do its natural action? I mean, not entirely, but more so than before?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: I noticed this really funny habit where I look at my skin occasionally, and at times it appears incredible and at times it appears to be wrinkled. And I was wondering if this is a habit that is associated with what you just talked about.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Ohhh, and that's why I’ve been doing it and wondering why I'm doing it. Okay. (Elias laughs)

Something else that you talked about with somebody years ago is about white hair, and you offered this explanation with color draining from hair follicles and gravity, and for some reason when I read that then it just didn't resonate with me, and I said it's not true. And the reason that I kept on believing that it's not true is because I have a small group of white hair in the middle of my chest and the rest of the hair is black. And so I became curious, why is that small little cluster of hair white while the rest is black, and what is so special about that area? And the only impression I got is that it is in the area of the pink energy center; that’s as far as I got.

ELIAS: I would agree with you in relation to that, but that doesn’t mean that those hair shafts are not empty of color.

BEN: But why there and not in the rest of my abdomen, which is full of hair? That's what I don't understand.

ELIAS: And I would say that I agree with your assessment that you chose to create that to remind yourself off that particular energy center.

BEN: Oh, that's why sometimes I have an uneasy feeling when I touch that area behind my hair, like something is sort of slightly uncomfortable. What is with the pink energy center? What's going on within my energy centers? Why is that like the focal point?

ELIAS: I would say because that is a strong healing energy center. It is also one that adds to your own self-empowerment. Therefore, I would say that that is an instrumental energy center for you whenever anything is uncomfortable.

BEN: So that was just to attract my attention. How would I include that or use it? “Using” isn't the right word, but how would I incorporate that into my energy more?

ELIAS: I would say “using” it IS an accurate word, and in that, I would say it is simply a matter of moving your attention to that energy center and then feeling into that energy and allowing yourself to visualize radiating that energy out to whatever area you are uncomfortable with.

BEN: Oh, and you’re talking about in a physical manner in the body consciousness.

ELIAS: It doesn't have to be only physical, because all feelings are generated by the body consciousness. Therefore, if you are uncomfortable emotionally, or if you are uncomfortable mentally, that is still being generated by the body consciousness. Therefore, you can radiate that energy center to a particular area of the body consciousness that you would associate with whatever it is that you are feeling in being uncomfortable.

BEN: That could probably explain maybe….For example, a year ago I remember looking at that same area in my chest and noticing that there is no white hair, and I said that's definitely probable that that could happen.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: And I also connected that white hair with aging, and now after what you mentioned I have to be careful with reinforcing these “Oh, I have white hair on my chest or on my head...”

ELIAS: And let me say to you, that isn't a blanket statement. Once again, I will express to you that it is a matter of when you are connecting with a conversation that I am having with another individual, it is important that you remember that I am specifically speaking to them.

BEN: Right.

ELIAS: And therefore, some parts that might not apply to you. It isn't absolute. Therefore, yes, the factor that hair that is white, it has lost the color fill inside the hair tube itself, but that isn't unnecessarily associated with age. It is many times, but then there are people that generate white hair at different parts of their body consciousness that isn't necessarily associated with age.

BEN: Just like baldness exists with young people.

ELIAS: Correct. And so white hair, or the loss of color in the hair shaft, can be actually caused by stress, not age.

BEN: Ohh. Why did you mention once to an individual that the teeth are so important that they can poison your body?

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ELIAS: They can.

BEN: How could they poison the body?

ELIAS: Because your teeth are actually a very important part of your body consciousness, and in that, because they are connected with your nervous system, they are connected with your circulatory system and they are embedded in bone, they are actually capable, if you generate infection in your teeth, that infection can be carried throughout your entire body. It doesn't remain localized.

BEN: Oh, through the circulatory system, and that's why it could become very dangerous.

ELIAS: And through bone.

BEN: Oh.

ELIAS: it is being affecting of different systems in your body, and in that, your teeth can be extremely affecting of the entirety of your body consciousness.

BEN: And that's why they’re so critical not only for chewing food or for smiling.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Huh. One last bit, and we have to close. The fungus on my feet that never ever disappears, I can't get rid of it: the only impression I have with that is that the toes are the farthest part in my body and I usually don't pay much attention to them if they’re not hurting. Is there anything else? I mean, what's going on there? It's been on for years.

ELIAS: And your assessment?

BEN: I would say something with movement, but I don't have problems with movement, and I don't think it's a physiological issue. That's why I'm sort of drawing a blank on this.

ELIAS: I would say that it is a matter of paying attention to and appreciating your feet in what they do for you.

BEN: Oh, I did that for a while because I had an intuition that I should just look at my feet and stroke them. Oh my God.

ELIAS: Your feet do you a tremendous service and are very important, and they are very supportive of you. And I would say that it is significant to be paying attention to that.

BEN: But isn't enough that I use them and I appreciate my body? Isn't that an acknowledgment of “Oh, this is great”? I mean, I run, I walk, I swim—I use them all the time.

ELIAS: Yes, but are you actually acknowledging your feet, or simply that you can do these actions?

BEN: Ohh. When I play the drums I use the feet. I don't know if I acknowledge them, but I do use them. Okay, there is a difference there then.

ELIAS: But you USE your feet all the time. You use your feet constantly, but that doesn't mean you are paying attention to them.

BEN: All right, so okay. Wow!

Elias, we have to close up. This has been really, really, really nice and interesting without any notes.

ELIAS: Excellent!

BEN: And I hope I passed the exam (both laugh).

ELIAS: I would say, my friend, that there is no exam. (Laughs)

BEN: All right, so thank you for hanging out with me. It's been really nice.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. And I would say this has been a very enjoyable conversation.

BEN: Thank you.

ELIAS: I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting. In tremendous love to you, my dear friend, and in exceptional support, au revoir.

BEN: See you. Thanks.


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