Gender Fluidity: The Interplay of Many Factors
Topics:
“Gender Fluidity: The Interplay of Many Factors”
“Extreme Nonconformity”
“Gender Choice for Reproduction”
“Cetaceans: Fewer Restrictions and Lending Support”
“Delay in Choice of Gender after Birth”
“Hormone Therapy versus Gender Surgery”
“Small Ones and Identity”
“Advice for Parents”
“Religious Associations in America Regarding Sexuality”
“Gestation and Gender”
Session 20201216
“Gender Fluidity: The Interplay of Many Factors”
“Extreme Nonconformity”
“Gender Choice for Reproduction”
“Cetaceans: Fewer Restrictions and Lending Support”
“Delay in Choice of Gender after Birth”
“Hormone Therapy versus Gender Surgery”
“Small Ones and Identity”
“Advice for Parents”
“Religious Associations in America Regarding Sexuality”
“Gestation and Gender”
Tuesday, December 16, 2020 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Karen (Turell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
KAREN: Good morning, Elias.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) And what shall we discuss?
KAREN: Well, today I have convened us (both laugh) to follow up on a couple of sessions ago. We chatted a little bit about gender and cetaceans, and I put it out to the group, and folks contributed for a gender session, so that’s why I’ve asked you to speak with me today.
ELIAS: Very well.
KAREN: So, there’s a bunch of questions, and just to synopsize from the last time, when we discussed it you said we’re not being as black and white about gender now, or sexual preferences, and [in] the movement of the last fifty years there’s been more movement around people being fluid in their gender than ever before – which is part of the Shift. And that the fluid folks are similar to cetaceans and most likely calling on their cetacean focuses for support. Correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
KAREN: Okay. Before we begin, there’s a specific question from Florencia. She wondered if her son, essence name Arne, had an undescended testicle at birth due to not having chosen which gender he wanted to be until very near his actual birth. Is this correct?
ELIAS: Correct.
KAREN: Okay. The other thing I’m going to confirm with you is various things you have said to folks, that physical sex gender is either male or female, and you have said, quote, “Without the beliefs associated with gender, it is literally merely a choice of a particular form and function.” And that gender, either female or male, is personality expression only, and it often correlates to physical gender and physical sex, but not necessarily 50-50. And that physical sex gender is further described by sexual preferences—bisexual, homosexual, heterosexual—which is an energy expression of the body consciousness itself. And physical attraction, body consciousness attraction, is governed by physiology and the senses, in addition to personality expression. So that’s all correct, yes?
ELIAS: Yes.
KAREN: Okay. So my first question is, in the past I would say five or six years there is the expression “nonbinary” which is really coming into play for a lot of people. People describe themselves as nonbinary and saying that they don’t identify with either gender. Would you say that these folks are probably closer to 50-50 gender expression of male and female? And is this movement toward the acceptance or the desire to identify as nonbinary part of the Shift?
ELIAS: (Pause) This is more complicated than yes-and-no answers.
KAREN: (Laughs) I figured.
ELIAS: Is it part of this Shift? Yes. But then I would also say that everything that has occurred in your previous century was also a part of the Shift. Does that necessarily mean that it was moving you in what you think of as a good direction? Not always.
(Speaking slowly and with many pauses) The subject of sexuality, of gender, of sexual preferences, all of these pieces: there are many factors in relation to them. I would say that it is also involved, because in relation to those factors in association with this Shift, there is a considerable amount of movement that has been happening for over a century, and it has in some capacity complicated the situation. In some capacity, it confused it. But let us begin with somewhat of simplifying.
In relation to what you are speaking about, nonbinary, and in a movement of not what you term to be identifying with a particular gender and is that closer to the cetaceans: no. And is that closer to a more natural direction or expression? Not necessarily either. It is born out of confusion and also rebellion of individuals looking at the subject of conformity in an extreme, and therefore moving in directions in which they are being expressive in a manner that is almost spiteful, that they are expressing not in a capacity of what you would think of as a more natural expression—no, I would say that this piece is more associated with expressing nonconformity with everything.
KAREN: Kind of a militancy.
ELIAS: Yes, in a manner of speaking. That they don’t want to be associated with anything prior to now, and they don’t want to be associated with anything that they think they haven’t chosen themself. But what they don’t understand is that they DID choose. They ARE choosing, they HAVE chosen, especially in relation to gender.
And in that, let me express to you in this manner: A small one of two years of age or three years of age is not expressing to their parents and to everyone else that they are nonbinary. A 5-year-old is not expressing that. Now, a 5-year-old might be expressing tendencies or even more overtly in expressions that are, let us say, the other gender from what they have physically chosen as their expression. A 5-year-old is old enough to actually be aware of their gender and of what they genuinely associate with in relation to their identity and gender – but they’re not expressing that they are neither. In this, you have a blueprint of your reality; and in that, in relation to that blueprint, you do have certain guidelines in relation to actual physical manifestations.
Now, your gender identity doesn’t necessarily always coincide with the physical manifestation that you chose to engage in this reality, and sometimes individuals actually alter that physically. But I would say that it still is a matter of in relation to physical manifestations—physical manifestations—you incorporate two physical genders, in the blueprint of your reality, in association with reproduction.
Now, as far as everything ELSE is concerned, that is another subject. But as far as the actual physical expression, it doesn’t matter that an individual may express that they don’t identify with either gender in association. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t a particular gender in a physical manifestation—they are.
KAREN: Right. Right.
ELIAS: Therefore, there is not much that you can express in relation to that in association with the blueprint of your reality, very similar to as much as individuals want to move in the direction of expressing that they could eliminate beliefs and belief systems because they don’t like them—they can’t.
KAREN: Okay. Yeah. I was really interested in your take on that, because I was wondering where the whole… you know, the thrust of it was coming from with the word nonbinary. I know—
ELIAS: Let me say to you that in… (sighs) in relation to, for the most part, individuals that are, let us say, of an age of approximately—approximately—25 years and younger, these are individuals that are somewhat in a position of feeling and perceiving themselves to be somewhat displaced. They don’t perceive themselves to fit with the reality that they see around them. They don’t want to be associated with the reality that they see around them. They don’t like what they see in relation to other people that are older than them, even slightly older than them; it doesn’t matter. They are disillusioned and dissatisfied and discontented, and they don’t want to be associated with anything that is already established. They want to establish their own expression, their own direction, and as I said, what they aren’t actually realizing is that they HAVE made choices. And in relation to gender, they definitely have made choices.
But in like manner to most of you, that doesn’t mean that they recognize that everything in their reality is a choice—they don’t. And I would say that they see a lot of expressions and actions and dysfunction of the generations that have come before them, and they don’t want to be associated with it. And therefore, they are moving in directions that are expressing extremes and attempting to disassociate themselves with anything that they perceive is already established.
KAREN: Gotcha.
ELIAS: Now, in relation to cetaceans, understand: they are definitely very aware of physical gender, and they don’t question that. And in relation to that, I would say that cetaceans simply place less restrictions on themselves than you do with yourselves, but they haven’t incorporated or been associated with the source event of the religious era, and at the time of that source event they weren’t essence yet; therefore, they weren’t affected by that. And in this, that has affected centuries and centuries and centuries of your species in relation to sexuality, in relation to gender, in relation to how you express yourselves or how you don’t express yourselves. And in that, I would say that it is a matter of recognizing that there are many, many factors that interplay in relation to this subject.
As far as the expression of sexuality is concerned with cetaceans, yes, they express that differently than most of you, because they don’t have a lot of those influences that you have, but they are very clear in relation to physical gender. And they don’t express all of these different classifications or categories of preferences, because they don’t have all of the restrictions that you do; therefore, it isn’t necessary. They don’t have to identify themselves as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, transsexual. They don’t have to identify themselves or classify themselves in any of these directions, because they don’t have the restrictions that you do.
KAREN: So, is moving in…? So, when we…? And by the way, you’ve said so much, and there are some things I want to wheel back to in a bit, but to go with the drift of what you’re saying right now, in what way are cetaceans lending support for…? Is it the fact that they don’t have restrictions, and that is how they are lending support as we sort of untangle our own restrictions?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
KAREN: Around our attachments and influences, that’s where they’re lending support.
ELIAS: Yes.
KAREN: And so, for the people that are drawing on their own cetacean focuses, is there…? Okay, one of my questions is, is there an agreement among cetaceans to lend support en masse to everyone? Or is it an action of each one of us, when we are kind of maybe unpacking our restrictions, wanting to move in a more fluid direction or a more open expression, we just naturally draw on our cetacean focuses to help us with that?
ELIAS: I would say both.
KAREN: Okay.
ELIAS: And I would say that to the latter, you don’t always simply naturally do that but that you can do that intentionally.
KAREN: Specifically, how would one do it intentionally?
ELIAS: In the same manner that you would draw on ANY other focus. It is precisely the same. Therefore, I would say that it is a matter of recognizing that any manner in which you would draw on the energy or the support of any other focus, you would do exactly the same in relation to a focus that you have as a cetacean. Or—
KAREN: Yeah?
ELIAS: Or, calling upon that energy in a very similar manner to how you would do that with a counterpart.
KAREN: Mm-hm.
ELIAS: You don’t have to know who the counterpart is to be drawing on counterpart action in relation to something that you want to address to.
KAREN: So, you said that we are moving as humans into a more natural sexual expression.
ELIAS: Yes.
KAREN: Amidst all of the churning (laughs), the churning right now that we are all going through. And is this a trend that’s going to continue to build? (Pause) Elias, are you there?
ELIAS: Yes. I expressed yes.
KAREN: Oh, I didn’t hear you. Okay. So, in Session 1279 (1) with Kevin, in which he was talking about cross-dressing and why he does it—because he was, I think, concerned—and you said it’s a fun and playful expression and that he’s being too serious about it. Would people benefit in general in expressing themselves more creatively around gender, if they felt so inclined to do so? Or would people be benefited by, say, not adhering to such strict gender lines in expression?
ELIAS: Of course. I would say that it definitely depends on the individual and what interests them or what they are curious about. Some people actually don’t incorporate much curiosity in relation to this subject at all, but most people do. I would say that yes, definitely, if the person is curious about different expressions or is drawn to different expressions or wants to be experimenting in certain directions, I would definitely be encouraging any of those expressions. That would it be a benefit? Of course it would, because anything in which you are exploring yourself and becoming more aware of yourself is definitely a benefit.
KAREN: To get back to something I wanted to ask you earlier, with intersex people—people that manifest both sex organs—it’s my understanding that one sex organ predominates. And is that actually within the blueprint?
ELIAS: Generally. Not always.
KAREN: Yeah. So, what’s the deal with that?
ELIAS: Generally, that is correct that one sex organ is more predominant. It isn’t always; therefore, there are situations in which that is not necessarily the case. But in relation to individuals and that situation, generally speaking, the essence hasn’t chosen what it wants to express.
KAREN: Oh!
ELIAS: And in that, they may not be expressing a leaning in a direction, in a manner of speaking for, as I have expressed, up to two years. Because the essence doesn’t always choose everything and doesn’t always choose to be fully integrated into the focus immediately, or in utero. Therefore, in that, sometimes the essence hasn’t chosen a gender.
KAREN: Mm-hm.
ELIAS: Now, sometimes there is somewhat of a leaning in a direction, and in that, that would be the reason that one gender appears to be more predominant than the other. But even that doesn’t necessarily mean that that is the gender that that essence would ultimately choose.
KAREN: Okay. So, in the 1970s, when I think sex change operations became, when they started doing them—it was around the time, the ‘60s and the ‘70s—a lot of people were choosing that option, to actually change their genital structure. And now it seems – and I might be wrong about this – it seems that more people are opting for hormone therapy instead of surgery. Is that because – and correct me if I’m wrong – is this because it’s easier to express more fluidity through the use of hormone drug therapy as opposed to going ahead with a more invasive operation?
ELIAS: I would say that it definitely depends on the individual. Some individuals don’t want to actually entirely change their physical gender; they want to move in a direction more in relation to how they perceive their identity, but they also intuitively have a sense that they chose that physical manifestation. Even if they don’t know why, it doesn’t matter. They somehow intuitively recognize in part that they chose that gender. And therefore they don’t necessarily want to alter that, even though they don’t necessarily express their identity in relation to that.
But I would also say that some individuals are afraid, and therefore they choose not to move in a direction of actual reconstructive surgery. And some individuals simply are expressing that it is easier to simply move in the direction of hormone therapy and not engaging in actual reconstructive surgeries, that they don’t necessarily perceive it as being hindering to them, and therefore they simply choose not to move in the direction of the physical alteration of genital structure.
I would say it is definitely very individual. It is very difficult and inaccurate to be expressing generalizations in relation to that subject. There are some general reasons, but I would say that it definitely is a very individual choice.
KAREN: Okay.
So, you had talked about small ones before and the choice of moving in a particular gender expression. There is a big disagreement now among adults when children express different gender preferences, and many times now children are really clear on wanting hormone therapy to suppress the maturation process of a physical gender that they don’t want. And parents are afraid that the child will regret the action later.
Now, I’m assuming you probably will come down on the side of the child, since the child already knows what they want and are clear about it. So, I am interested in hearing your comments on that.
ELIAS: I would say that you are correct. And I would say that the adults that are expressing that they would err on the side of caution because they don’t want the child to mature and then regret their decision—that is HIGHLY, HIGHLY unlikely. It is so unlikely that it actually doesn’t happen.
KAREN: Wow. I’m assuming because if a kid is so clear at a young age, that’s probably the only proof you need, that clarity. Correct?
ELIAS: Let me express to you, if you actually are engaging conversations with individuals that identify themselves as being homosexual, many, many, many of them – if not most of them – were aware, in varying degrees, of that expression at very young ages. They were aware of which gender they were attracted to at very young ages. Individuals may even express a recognition of that at ages as young as 4 and 5 years old. They already are aware of their preference.
In this, that doesn’t change, does it? An individual that you speak to that is 45 years of age or 60 years of age or 70 years of age that is homosexual and that expresses they recognized that when they were 5, they didn’t change that, and they might be 70. Because these are pieces that you know very, very early, very young in age. Actually you know it before that age, but you simply may not have the ability to articulate that or to express it.
What I would say is, a child that is expressing that they want to move in the direction of hormone therapy at a young age, they won’t regret that later in life. They are aware of what they are expressing. They are aware of their identity.
You as humans are aware of your identity and who you are and what makes you “you,” from the time that you as essence fully occupy your physical manifestation. Therefore, that would be any time between conception and 2 years old. Therefore, this is not a subject that you actually are confused about.
Now, how you express it or how it is accepted in your society, those are different questions. But being aware of who you are and your identity, you aren’t confused about that. Actually, small ones are much less confused about it. They don’t have a problem with expressing their identity. They don’t see any difficulty in expressing their identity, because they don’t question it. They have no REASON to question it. They haven’t been indoctrinated yet.
KAREN: (Chuckles) Right.
ELIAS: Therefore, in that, they simply are expressing who they are! Therefore, if your son is seeming to be obsessed with dressing up in his mother’s clothing, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he wants to be a girl. But it is indicating something to you, that his identity is not as black and white as you think it is. Or if your daughter insists on being enthralled with trucks and tools, she isn’t confused.
KAREN: Right. And this is something you can dialogue with your kid about.
ELIAS: Most definitely. Most definitely.
KAREN: Because they know. They’re going to just… Because they’re not confused. Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: And in that, before they are indoctrinated they aren’t afraid, and they aren’t confused; they are simply expressing their identity in a natural capacity.
KAREN: So, you advocate for allowance, obviously. I know you do. Allowance from the parents to allow the child to express however they feel free to, however they want to.
ELIAS: Precisely. Now, what I would say is I am not expressing to parents that if they have a little girl that they don’t buy the little girl dolls, but that if the little girl doesn’t play with the dolls, not to be distressed. Or if they have a little boy and they buy the little boy trucks and tools, that is entirely acceptable. But if the little boy plays with dolls and prefers that, not to be expressing that there is something wrong with them, because there isn’t.
KAREN: Right.
ELIAS: And if the girl wants to dress in the same manner as her father, and if the boy wants to dress in the same manner as his mother, it isn’t that there is something wrong with them – but it also doesn’t automatically mean that they are expressing a sexual preference. They are expressing a preference, but it may not be (chuckles) a sexual preference.
KAREN: So let me ask you: Right now there is the move in some circles toward gender-neutral bathrooms in public spaces. There is a lot of contention about this. You know, they serve to exist to make certain people more comfortable, say trans people, nonbinary people, more comfortable to have a space where there’s no gender assigned. I mean, this is done in a lot of places—like in Europe there’s not gender-specific bathrooms. But I was wondering if you can comment on the gender-neutral bathroom phenomenon in America?
ELIAS: I would say that the reason that there is difficulty with that subject or there is discomfort with that subject is because of your religious influences. I would say that YOUR country is very heavily influenced by the Victorian era, and as much as you express your independence from the United Kingdom, you still generate very strong associations with the United Kingdom, in a manner of speaking, very figurative. It is as if you were the child and that is the parent, and therefore you follow that more closely than you necessarily want to admit. (Karen chuckles)
And in that, this is one direction in which you follow it very strongly – and actually, to a degree, more strongly than the parent country. And I would say that in relation to this piece (pause), you have such strong religious associations that it very much influences how you express sexuality, how you express gender, how you express sexual activity, how you express anything that has to do with the subject of anything that involves genitals or gender-associated organs—whether that be associations, activities, identity, anything. It doesn’t matter.
KAREN: Yep. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Therefore, public bathrooms: In relation to public toilets, I would say that the reason you have difficulty with that or you have problems with that subject, or debates about that subject, is because you have problems with your own sexuality. You have problems with your own display of physical gender.
The only reason that you would have difficulty in relation to unisex toilets is that one gender doesn’t want to see the other gender uncovered. Which, that stems from being closed up sexually. That stems from not being comfortable with the human body consciousness.
KAREN: Right.
ELIAS: And the display of it. That this is something that should be covered up and that it shouldn’t be mixed.
KAREN: Right.
ELIAS: If you aren’t uncomfortable with the physical body consciousness, then it doesn’t matter. (Pause)
KAREN: So, I think we’re coming close to the end of the session. We’re not there yet. I wanted to ask you: Before the first seven weeks of life, as we’re developing in the womb, we all have the same sex organs which then split into either male or female, based on chromosomes. In terms of the blueprint, why does that occur? Is this a sign of basic interconnectedness or like pre-blueprint? Or is it about the choice of the essence coming in? Why does this occur within the development of the human body?
ELIAS: Why does what occur? The split, or…?
KAREN: That it’s not from the very moment of inception, like there’s a seven-week lag before the… like there is a split.
ELIAS: There are actually two reasons. One is that it generates the opportunity for the essence to incorporate some time to choose.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: Actually, in actuality I would say there are several reasons. That would be one. Another would be that it has to do with whether the womb is containing one or more embryos, because many times there is more than one and there ultimately is only one that is developing, and the other one is absorbed into the one that develops. Which, that actually can be two essences, or it could be one essence that is generating two manifestations. Therefore, that is another reason, because it also allows for time for that action to occur. And I would say that it also is a matter of physical time, that creating an actual physical manifestation and one that is as complex as a living mammal, it requires time to, in a manner of speaking, organize all of the information that is required to create that physical manifestation.
KAREN: Okay.
ELIAS: This is a very complex organism – or, I should express that this happens in all living animals.
KAREN: Okay.
ELIAS: Rather than simply mammals. It is more pronounced in mammals. Therefore, there is a slightly longer time framework in mammals than there is in other animals, but it does occur to varying degrees with all animals.
KAREN: Well, my friend, you have given me a lot of information. I think folks are going to be really excited about this session. (Elias chuckles) And I want to thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. And I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting. As you are likely aware, we have merely scratched the surface of this subject.
KAREN: I know. (Laughs)
ELIAS: There is a considerable amount of information in relation to this subject. (Laughs)
KAREN: Yes.
ELIAS: But, I would say you are off to an excellent start.
KAREN: (Laughs) Thank you.
ELIAS: In wondrous love to you, my dear friend, and in tremendous encouragement and support as always, au revoir.
KAREN: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 3 minutes)
FOOTNOTES:
(1) The session being referenced here is actually 1249, not 1279.
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