Session 20201105

“The Abused Generations: The Least-Recognized Influences”
“The Abused Generations: Influence on Climate Change”
“Fear About Lockdowns Influencing the US Election and the World”
“The Prerequisite of Loving Yourself”

Thursday, November 5, 2020 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anon

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANON: Ah! Hi, my friend!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And how are you proceeding?

ANON: (Sighs) How am I proceeding. You know, what I am experiencing is kind of a severe headache, and I question…I mean, I know it is coming from Rose, but what I’m not quite sure of is whether it is actually a natural process in generating a new neurological pathway that is required to actually engage the energy exchange, or is it simply an excess of energy, or maybe even both.

ELIAS: Actually, I would say more the first, but not simply one, that you are actually creating several. In order to accommodate the exchange with Rose and acclimate your body consciousness to that energy, your physical brain is generating several neurological pathways to engage that.

ANON: And it seems that the whole family is actually dealing with more or less not severe but at least some headache. So, is the family also doing the same?

ELIAS: Actually, that is an excess energy.

ANON: Ahhh. Okay. Ah. My god. I mean, you know, this energy of Rose, it is so tremendous. And I really try everything that I have up my sleeve to cope with it, and I feel that I kind of have a grip on that, slowly. So, I recognize that I am coping better with the heat, but the headache is… oh, that’s a different story, you know, my friend?

ELIAS: I agree. I understand. And I would express that even with that I would acknowledge you, that you are engaging very well and you are faring well with this situation. I would remind you of all of the physical experiences that Michael engaged in the first three years, and my energy is not comparable to Rose. [Note by Anon: If Elias is our sun, then Rose would be the supernova of that sun.]

ANON: So, can you tell me if so far that I have not generated any damage to my body consciousness, Elias?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANON: Okay. I’m really determined to make the last step. And I think yes, I make great progress, but would you say that I’m quite determined but not pushing myself. Elias?

ELIAS: I would agree, yes. And I would acknowledge you, that you are moving quite well, my friend. I would actually congratulate you in how you are engaging with this energy and with the situation and your movement with it. I would say that you are actually doing quite well.

ANON: (Sighs) That is good to know. Thank you, my friend.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

[Personal information omitted]

ELIAS: I would say to you that at this present time, once again, collectively you have moved in another new direction. You have turned in a manner that was not expected, being unpredictable. I would say that it is a situation that has been considerably distracting for most people presently.

This time, actually, England has been instrumental in being significantly distracting to the rest of the world. By moving in the direction that they moved in again in relation to this mass event [COVID] and creating a resurgence with it, it generated a wave of fear throughout the world.

Now, this is different from before, which was also somewhat unpredictable, that this fear is not the same. It is the fear now of other people with their own countries perhaps following what England is doing [lockdown] and being afraid of that happening again. They are more afraid of that than they are of the virus.

ANON: Oh! Interesting.

ELIAS: Actually, that has been affecting throughout the world, in a capacity that it has been generating some significant resistant energy from most people. AND I would say that it collides with the timing of the country of the United States and their elections, and this is the reason that their election is undetermined.

ANON: Oh my god.

ELIAS: Because I would say at this point, that fear of the possibility of following what England has implemented has actually influenced a considerable amount of people in the United States’ election to be changing their direction and to be more supportive of the incumbent president.

ANON: Okay. So, let me be clear. You mean what England implemented, you mean in relation to the lockdown? Or what exactly are you referring to, Elias?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Okay.

ELIAS: Yes. [Personal information omitted] There is such a pervasive expression of fear that is happening in relation to people not wanting to move in that direction again. And in that, it is creating a tremendous surge in energy and a tremendous fear, but in a very different direction.

[Personal information omitted]

ANON: You know, Elias, I am quite successful in disentangling people’s attachments to their identity, and I do that in energy, without the need for physical contact. And you expressed a method to tap people’s knee in relation to past trauma, to aid them connecting the memory with the feeling and move it to the other hemisphere to neutralize the influence [1]. I delved into that, and I saw that I can do that action in my own energy, without any physical action. And you actually validated that. And you expressed that with a little practice I would be able to aid other people without any physical contact to neutralize the influences as well. What is your take on that, Elias? And can you elaborate that process a little bit?

ELIAS: I would say that that is possible, eventually, but I would also say that that definitely depends on the individual and the degree of the trauma. I would say that if the individual expressed a lesser degree of trauma, then definitely you would be able to do that. If an individual has experiences—especially more than one—that are significant traumas, that might not necessarily be effective. But I would say that there are many, many, many individuals that may have trauma in their experiences, but it may vary.

Some may only have one significant experience. And that might seem to be a strange statement, or it may seem initially that people might automatically dismiss that or discount that, but let me express to you—as YOU have seen yourself, my friend—that in some situations such as experiences such as rape, one experience is enough to be significantly damaging to the individual and creating tremendous influences in their life, because that can be a tremendous, tremendous trauma.

But there are some people that have significant traumas and multiples of them, and that can be very challenging. It is challenging even for the individual to connect to them, because if the individual has many, the brain definitely locks that very tightly.

But I would encourage you to continue to move forward, because in relation to yourself, most definitely, absolutely that that would be possible and effective with you. In relation to many, many, many other individuals, I would say the same.

ANON: Okay. Let me ask you: I think I would be able to address the trauma that Jeff experienced. I mean, that was kind of intense. It was not as intense as some others that I saw, but he is actually an excellent experimentation ground to see how I can move carefully forward. Would you agree that I am able to actually proceed with him?

ELIAS: Yes. That I would agree with, yes.

ANON: So, you know, I also read—and this is another point. You expressed in the past to me that actually I can engage part of my physical brain that bypasses recall involvement, and that it is sometimes more efficient to simply move in a relaxed and, in a manner of speaking, giving-over position, in which it bypasses the engagement of memory. And I looked whether that would also be possible to do with trauma and memories in neutralizing the influence. And so far, I would be able to perform such an action with other people. Would you also agree with that assessment, Elias?

ELIAS: Now, once again, that would depend on the degree of trauma. And in that, I would say yes, you could if you were addressing directly to the influences and the behaviors that have ensued because of those influences, and that you could actually move in a direction of bypassing the recall of the memories. But in that, what I would say to you is, that would be a matter of you engaging—as I said first of all—the other individual’s energy and the influences of the behaviors that are bothersome to them or that have been expressed in relation to the trauma.

Now, in addition to that, it would be a situation in which you would require the permission and the cooperation of that individual to actually pull that energy from one hemisphere to the other. Which you can do, if you have the permission and the cooperation of the other individual. You could actually pull that energy and move it, because that is the point. That is what is required to happen in order to neutralize that trauma, regardless of what degree it is. And in that, if the other individual gives you permission and is expressing cooperation with you, then what they will do automatically—without even objectively being entirely aware of it—is they will subjectively create the new grooves in the left hemisphere of the brain in which then you can move that energy and insert it into those new grooves. Are you understanding?

ANON: Oh, I definitely understand, because that is what I tapped into. And what you also made quite clear, that it is actually very unlikely that other people that are not seeing energy as clearly and have not my experience in manipulating it are very unlikely to copy that.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANON: So, it would be a method that I can actually use successfully, but it would be not advisable to actually encourage other people to do the same?

ELIAS: Definitely.

ANON: Okay. That is what I saw. Yes, I definitely understand that. And I was quite surprised that I can actually do that in energy. But, I mean, basically everything is energy, so once you see energy clearly and you have an understanding of the functioning and influences, yes, you can actually move quite a lot simply in energy, because that is the base of everything.

ELIAS: Correct. I would definitely agree.

Now, in that, what I would say to you is, I would definitely encourage you in the direction of “Be certain.” For your own direction and for your own comfort, let us say, be certain that you actually objectively, physically have that permission and cooperation of each individual. Otherwise, the other individual can move in directions of creating conflict, and that conflict can very likely spill over to you.

ANON: I understand that. And actually, I never engage any person in relation to this without them asking for my help. And then I explain actually what I do, and before I even start disentangling them, I always check to assess for myself whether they are ready, and then I chat with them in an objective manner and explain to them what is going to happen. And I even started now to share a document, and I will put more in that so that people have an understanding of what is actually happening with them. And yes, I will add that they do need to agree to this cooperation. That is actually an excellent point, my friend.

ELIAS: Very well. I would express that this will prevent a considerable amount of conflict for you, which is important.

Now, I would also express the suggestion to you: Don’t overwhelm yourself, because that can easily happen. I would say that there are significant numbers of people at this present time framework that have an interest in moving in these directions. And if they incorporate the idea that their trauma is not tremendous, they would likely be inclined to move in the direction of engaging you and your services if you can bypass the method, the physical method, and that would be attractive to some individuals. What I am saying to you is, pace yourself and be aware and certain every day that you are centered and balanced. And in that, then you won’t overwhelm yourself.

ANON: That is excellent. But you know, Elias, I actually pay a lot of attention, because Rose currently is taking quite a toll on my energy, you know?

ELIAS: Yes. I am aware.

ANON: So, yes, I am—

ELIAS: And I acknowledge you. I am merely reminding you.

ANON: Yes. And I thank you for that, my friend.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

ANON: You know, would it be fair to say that those people that are in the age range that very likely have experienced trauma in their childhood and are very quickly expressing that they are sure that they have no blocked memory, without even engaging any of the methods that we discussed to evaluate whether they have one or not, are most likely to have actually blocked memory, Elias?

ELIAS: For the most part, yes.

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: They simply don’t remember.

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: But what I would say is, some of them may not have tremendous trauma; some of them may have a more limited degree of it. And in that, that may also be a factor in why they aren’t expressing interest in that direction or that they are insistent that they don’t have any. But what I would say in that is, it is a matter of looking at their behavior, looking at their life and looking at certain expressions in their life in relation to their experiences in repetition.

That is a tremendous indicator, that if the person has repeated experiences for years, such as they have repeated experiences at not being successful with relationships, or they have repeated experiences throughout their life in which they have to excel or they are a perfectionist, that they are always striving to be better, or that they are never quite accomplishing enough, or simply that regardless of what they do or where they are or what position they are in or what they have accomplished, they never quite feel satisfied, or they never quite feel content and happy with their life. These are not personality traits; these are expressions that are associated with influences from experiences. Therefore, these are indicators that they have experiences that are [inaudible] influences that are preventing them from being content and satisfied and happy, in your terms.

But I would also say that another piece in this is how they can give themselves a clue, especially anyone that would be coming to you, or anyone that would be coming to myself, or anyone that is seeking out help in relation to this information. I would say that an indicator for these people is that they are listening to the information, they are attempting to apply the information, they are paying attention, and they can’t seem to be successful. THAT is a significant indicator: that they are moving in a direction, they are paying attention, they are attempting to apply the information, they are doing, they are moving, and they continue to not seem to be able to create what they want or create their reality in a comfortable, successful, satisfying manner.

And that doesn’t mean that the individuals will never incorporate challenges, or that they are creating everything with tremendous ease and that they are intentionally creating everything they want—it doesn’t mean that. But that actually, if the individual has reached a point in which they have addressed to these past traumas and experiences, and they HAVE moved in that direction, or they’ve moved in the direction of what you do with disentangling and they have accomplished that, they will have an ongoing sense of ease and accomplishment and contentment – even when they present challenges to themself. It will be different. They won’t be concentrating on what they can’t accomplish or what they haven’t accomplished yet; they will simply be moving in a direction that I have expressed to all of you, about being more self-aware and genuinely taking those next steps into shifting. And that is that interconnected and flow piece.

And when you genuinely are doing that, YOU have experience with this yourself. Michael has experience with this now, and there are others that are beginning to incorporate this experience in which they have that knowing—you have that knowing, that sense of accomplishment; you have that constant, ongoing sense of contentment and satisfaction in your life; and even when you present challenges to yourself, that piece of that contentment and that satisfaction doesn’t go away. It is a constant running, underlying energy that you are always experiencing.

AND, in that, I would say that when you are moving in your own direction, even when you might present a slight obstacle to yourself—or even an obstacle that in the moment seems to be irritating and significant—it quickly changes. You did it today!

ANON: With the session? [Note from Anon: At first Mary was not picking up the phone to start the session.]

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: Yes, I agree. I was actually going down in my workshop and started working, because I thought it isn’t really a benefit to wreck my whole day just because Mary was not picking up the phone, yes.

ELIAS: But in that, you changed it. But HOW did you change it? You changed it by paying attention. Because if you WEREN’T paying attention, you would simply have gone to your workshop and you would have changed the direction of the day, because you would have moved in THAT direction instead. And what I would say to you is, not that that would be less effective or less successful, but this was the direction that you wanted to move in. This was your primary direction that you wanted to move in, and in that, that is the reason that you stopped momentarily and paid attention differently and then recognized the communication between yourself and Michael. [Note from Anon: Mary sent an email that she would now be available.] Are you understanding?

ANON: Yes. I do understand that, Elias.

ELIAS: And in that, this is what I am expressing. Your attention is moving in directions that are different. You are paying attention differently. And in that, you are moving in those directions of being intentional much more frequently, much more quickly, than you would have before.

ANON: Yes. I do get that. You know, there’s another thing: What many, in my opinion, also do not see yet is that many are replacing the blocked memory with an inconspicuous memory so there are no holes in their memory. Which makes it even harder for these people to actually question their memory, because so far most people very much trust their own memories, you know?

ELIAS: Yes. I agree. And that can be difficult and challenging also.

ANON: So, do you have any idea how I can start addressing to people that actually change their memory into a rather neutral version and hide the trauma behind it? Because they actually are not… I mean, if you have a hole or if you have a blocked memory, then maybe it is easy to see that there is something hidden. But if you have actually nothing that is suspicious, you are very likely to trust your memory, you know?

ELIAS: Correct. But once again, it is a matter of looking at the behaviors. And what I would say in that is that if an individual had successfully changed—and you can do this, you can change the past—but if an individual has successfully changed the past and therefore has actually successfully changed their experience and eliminated the trauma, it would be obvious and it would show itself in that individual’s experience, that they wouldn’t have a reason to even engage you, and they wouldn’t have a reason to engage myself with problems.

ANON: Yes. I understand that. Let me ask you, Elias, from all people that have actually locked memories, how many of them would you say are actually changing the memory so it is not suspicious?

ELIAS: Mm, not many.

ANON: Ah. Okay.

ELIAS: I would say that that is not an easy action to do. I would say that it depends.

Now, I would say that in relation to changing their memory so that it isn’t suspicious in a manner that they genuinely can say to themself that they don’t have any reason to question that, that would be not very many people. Because that would mean that they would likely be an only child, therefore have no siblings with any different experiences. They would likely have very effectively changed their behaviors intentionally.

Now, what that means is—which, this in itself could be an indicator—but I would say that it would be very easy for the individual themself to deny it. Let us say that the individual perhaps has an influence that would prevent them from generating a successful relationship, or successful relationships of any kind. And in that, the individual at an early age—not later in life but at an early age—would begin to recognize that and would intentionally be moving in other directions, therefore camouflaging that tremendously. Such as, they would choose to not have any significant relationships, therefore cutting all ties with—or for the most part with—family members, and then choosing to move in a direction of career that would not involve significant relationships [and] would choose intentionally, for their own reasons, perhaps saying because of their career that they choose not to be in a partnership and that they are completely content and satisfied not doing that. Or they might choose to move in a direction that may seem even more obviously understandable or good, such as they may choose to express that they are choosing a spiritual path, and they may choose to study with monks. And even if they don’t choose to move in that direction themself, they may express that they are choosing a significant spiritual path that they are so concentrated on themself that they can’t engage relationships with other individuals.

People CAN actually delude themselves in that manner, but it is not something that you would come across frequently, because it would require so much energy and so much intentional choices to be avoiding those behaviors that would be troublesome to them. But it can be done.

ANON: Okay. You know, what I actually mean is, I haven’t seen it in relation to trauma, but what I saw is that this is actually not very uncommon when people are cheating on their spouses, that they are actually replacing one memory with a rather unsuspicious memory.

ELIAS: In relation to their spouse?

ANON: Yes. If they have an affair, they do not remove it or block it—they replace it with a version in which nothing happened, so to speak.

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree that they can do that, and yes, as an adult that is more likely and that that is much more common. It is not common to replace childhood memories.

ANON: Okay. That is good to know. I simply wanted to know because I saw it and I was not sure.

You know, there’s another one: Taking into account the number of people that have to deal with blocked memories and trauma, and after that additionally to attachments to their identity, I think it is fair to say that we do not have enough healers to deal with that. And so, my idea was to start training Céline and Susan to be able to act as a facilitator in the future, in which people interact with an app and that app is actually connected to Céline and Susan so people actually interact with Céline and Susan without knowing it. That would be in my opinion a way to aid billions of people, and millions at the same time, since Céline and Susan are actually capable of dealing with such volumes of energy. And we already started to train both and add the recognition of blocked memory to the study plan. What is your assessment so far? And what is your take on this direction, Elias?

ELIAS: I would express that eventually that could be a viable and successful direction, especially in relation to individuals that incorporate a lesser degree of trauma, and then eventually, once that has already been established and put into place, eventually after that you could perhaps even expand that and expand the training process to include more significant traumas and address to that also.

ANON: Because we are talking about 8 billion people, and if they have an average of three attachments, we are talking about a tremendous number of people that need to get disentangled, you know, Elias?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANON: And actually, I see no other way. We have not enough healers. I mean, one healer…Or let me ask you, can you give me a number of healers or facilitators currently living that would be able to aid people to address attachments to their identity successfully, Elias?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) What I would say to you, my friend, is presently at this present time framework, definitely not enough. (Chuckles)

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: Definitely not enough. I would say for every ONE individual that is a healer, I would (chuckles) say that there are hundreds of thousands of people that would require their assistance.

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, definitely not enough.

ANON: So, you have to actually figure out something that would be workable, that is actually doable, because otherwise, as you expressed, people will have to shift at the end of the shift in screaming agony, you know, my friend?

ELIAS: Yes. I would definitely be expressing encouragement to you, my friend, and expressing to you that this can definitely be an avenue that could be very helpful.

ANON: Let me ask you, what would be a realistic time frame in which such an app and a connection to Susan and Céline would be actually really workable? Would it be twenty years? Ten years? What would you say?

ELIAS: No, I would say perhaps a realistic direction may be more in five to eight.

ANON: Oh, really?

ELIAS: Depending on how intensive you are engaging that training and how precise you are with it, yes, I would say that could definitely be expressed in a sooner time framework.

ANON: Wow! That is cool.

You know, another point: You actually validated my impression that without loving yourself to a certain degree, you would not be able to actually clear many of the attachments and associations that you are holding for so long. And can you elaborate on that a little bit for the people?

ELIAS: Now, understand: Do not confuse this, that it is not absolute, but that I would confirm that and express that you must be in a position in which you have a self-awareness enough to at least have some capacity of acceptance with yourself to at least have the beginning of love of yourself. And remember that love is not a feeling. It is not an emotion. It is that combination of knowing and appreciation. Therefore, that is very important. If you have that genuine appreciation, and it IS expressed with that genuine knowing of yourself which comes with that expansion of self-awareness, then you will be expressing that beginning of love for oneself. And that, yes, is a necessary component to be actually successfully completing this. That if you don’t have that piece, then you aren’t in a position of enough self-awareness yet to have the ability to accomplish what we are discussing. That is a very important factor.

ANON: Yeah.

ELIAS: And that doesn’t mean—and I will express this again intentionally, because I am aware of how easily people distort the information and how easily they move in directions of what they hear, which may not be necessarily what I am expressing. Therefore I would say again, that doesn’t mean that the individual has to be in a position in which they completely are expressing that love for self and that they are completely aware of that and that they know that they have accomplished expressing that self-love. That isn’t necessary in its entirety. But at least to the beginning aspect of that, the beginning point of that, in which the individual has enough self-awareness that they ARE expressing SOME self-acceptance and the beginnings of moving in that self-love, yes, that is essential.

ANON: Thank you, my friend. (Sighs)

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

ANON: What would you say is the strongest influence from that traumatized generation currently that is the least recognized yet, Elias?

ELIAS: (Pause) That is LEAST recognized?

ANON: Yeah. I mean, some of the influences are actually, at least to a certain degree, they are recognized. But I bet there are actually several influences that almost no one is seeing, you know?

ELIAS: I understand. I would say that the least recognized is how generating associations with behaviors as being good can be blinding. That the factor that people can express an assessment that certain behaviors are good, that is one of the most difficult pieces because that can blind an individual to the factor that that very expression that they assess as being good can be an influence of something that they would assess as not good, or that has been born out of associations and experiences that involve trauma.

ANON: And you named at least two, I guess. You named that people are striving for success, being successful, and I think another one was perfectionism.

ELIAS: I would say that even those, people can generate an assessment that at times that might not be good. But what I am speaking of is those associations that people make that they definitely never think is bad, such as equality, that everything has to be equal and that everyone has to be equal. People never think that is bad. Or honesty, being honest, being truthful: people never think that that isn’t good. Or being compassionate and helpful. There are expressions that are influenced by trauma that people are blinded to because they automatically make an association that those behaviors, those subjects, those expressions are good and that they are never bad, therefore they can’t possibly be born out of something that they would assess as being bad.

Now, you wouldn’t have those influences of those types of expressions born out of trauma—oh, yes you can. And many, many, many individuals do.

ANON: Wow. Yes. I can actually understand that, because if you never question such, like honesty, then you are not open to actually even consider that, that this is not what it seems to be.

ELIAS: Correct. But also, I would say that if you have been involved in a family and with traumatic experiences in which people are being very secretive, then as a child you may assess that that is dishonest. And therefore, you may develop as an adult to be very concentrated on the importance of truthfulness and the importance of honesty. Or, I would say that if you had been a child that was neglected, you may be influenced in a manner in which you are very compassionate and you are moving in expressions of always wanting to be helpful. There are many, many influences that can be born out of trauma that can be disguised in expressions or behaviors that seem to be unquestionably good. And in that, that can be tremendously camouflaging, and it can be very difficult for an individual to recognize that that actually might be associated with a trauma. They might even think that to be laughable. How could something so good be influenced by trauma?

ANON: Wow. Wow. Yeah. I get that. That is correct. I mean, I can sense that.

We are coming to the end. There is one question that Jeff is interested in: He met a man last year, and he thinks this is the man that actually misused him when he was a child. And he was actually wondering whether this man has still a memory of that. What is your take on that, Elias?

ELIAS: (Pause) I would say, yes and yes.

ANON: Yes.

ELIAS: Now, I would add to that that the other individual would likely move in a direction of being significantly denying of that, because the other individual also expresses considerable shame. And that in itself is an influence of trauma.

ANON: (Sighs) You know, we do not have time to delve into it, but I actually wonder: Since climate change is such a tremendous mess currently, would you say that this traumatized generation has actually a tremendous influence in the current situation in relation to climate change, Elias?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

ANON: So, we will delve into that in the next session, because this is kind of interesting because I guess this is also an influence that not many people are seeing.

ELIAS: I definitely agree. But in that, I would say that this is precisely what you began to engage with your last question, what people don’t see in relation to the traumas that have been expressed and how far-reaching it is.

ANON: Wow. So, this climate change, what…? Maybe you can briefly explain how that actually was influenced by this generation of traumatized children.

ELIAS: I would say that two factors that are the most obvious would be one, in pushing and moving in directions of excelling, therefore, doing more, doing more—but in that, once again, perceiving that as good: progress, moving in the direction of progress and how you can excel and how you can express more, more, more, more, more; do more, have more, be more. In that, labeling that as progress and growth, and in doing so, moving in directions such as drilling more, fracturing, strip mining, creating more and larger and larger vehicles that incorporate more and more fuel—not only cars, not only cars and trucks even, but larger trains, larger planes, larger boats. Cargo boats have reached an unbelievable growth in how tremendously enormous they have become.

ANON: But let me ask you: Actually they just desired it because these bigger ships seem to be more efficient?

ELIAS: In some manners, but then I would say that it is a matter of looking at the entire picture, my friend. And how are these enormous boats made? And what is involved in the entire process? You might think that in some capacities they may be more efficient because they are so enormous, but even in that, in their enormity there are factors that are not so efficient. But in how they are built, that is definitely including factors that have contributed to climate change.

[The timer for the end of the session rings]

ANON: Wow. Okay. One last question: What would you say is currently expressed in energy in relation to the election that is still not determined?

ELIAS: As I said, that is definitely being influenced by England’s choice to move in the direction that they moved in.

ANON: So, are you saying that there is a possibility that there is actually generating tremendous conflict in relation to the election?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

ANON: So even civil war? And people are rebelling against something is possible?

ELIAS: It remains to be seen, but there is a potential or a possibility. There is a tremendous, tremendous unrest.

ANON: Wow. Okay, my friend. Well, we have to pause because Mary has another client. I really thank you, my friend.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting soon. And I express tremendous encouragement and congratulations to you in what you are accomplishing.

In wondrous love, as always, au revoir.

ANON: Au revoir, Elias.

[1] Described in group session 20201024

(Elias departs after 55 minutes)

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