Session 202007041

Experimenting with Structure


Webinar 202007041
“Experimenting with Structure"
"Convoluted Consideration for Others”
“The Isolation Has Broken”
“Angst and Fear of Personal Safety”
“Dark Horse: A Possible New Leader That Isn’t a Leader”
“Redefining Concepts in Relation to Experience”
"Moving Out of the Cocoon in Safe Increments"
“A Currency of Three: Time, Energy and Attention"

Webinar 202007041
“Experimenting with Structure"
"Convoluted Consideration for Others”
“The Isolation Has Broken”
“Angst and Fear of Personal Safety”
“Dark Horse: A Possible New Leader That Isn’t a Leader”
“Redefining Concepts in Relation to Experience”
"Moving Out of the Cocoon in Safe Increments"
“A Currency of Three: Time, Energy and Attention"

Saturday, July 4, 2020 (Group/Webinar)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Axel (Ricarro), Barb (Shono), Benzi (Sumarian), Christoph (Fiodra), Christopher, David (Auroia), Debbie (Tamarra), Ester (Ashule), Jeff (Galina), Jennifer (Margarite), Jim (Yarr), John (Rrussell), Julie (Fontine), Julie (Laya), Kimi (Kiatia), Kirill, Lynda (Ruther), Magdalena (Michella), Marij (Kammi), Maxim, Paun, Phil (Paetre), Robert, Rodney (Zacharie), Sandra (Atafah), Tomas (Fernando), Valora (Atticus), Veronica (Amadis), Wendy S. and Wendy W. (Myiisha)

ELIAS: Good day! And as always, I shall allow all of you to engage your questions. And I would remind you that I am aware that you continue to be engaging challenging time frameworks presently and that there continues to be a considerable amount of unrest. And if you choose, we can discuss that, but I will leave it to all of you in relation to what you wish to speak about.

PHIL: Elias, I would like to talk about the unrest, please.

ELIAS: Very well. And what is your question or statement?

PHIL: My statement is that everything seems to be ramping up as far as the battle between the control and authority and the people who are wishing to assert their own freedoms, and the amount of virtue shaming, I will say, about the mask wearing or not mask wearing, and that’s kind of a battle in and of itself where people who think they should wear a mask because they’re protecting other people and if you’re not wearing a mask then you don’t care about people dying. This is what I’m seeing, basically.

ELIAS: What I would say to you, first of all, is what is happening presently is somewhat of a convoluted expression of attempting to move in a direction of considering other people. It is a convoluted expression of it, but it is an initial attempt, let us say. And in this, remember what I expressed to you previously, that in this present time framework everything is changing quickly and often because no one knows how to create a workable structure for the society. It is difficult enough for people to be engaging a workable structure for themselves; that is challenging in itself, but for people to be coming together and attempting to generate some type of workable structure for the society is even more difficult. And in that, everything is in experimental stages.

Another piece of this is that, as we spoke I would say approximately a year prior to now, perhaps slightly longer, that the inclusion of your technology and the direction that it was moving in or is continuing to move in and how quickly it is moving and changing has somewhat placed the people in a position of somewhat isolating themselves, moving in directions in which they were more disconnected than they were connected, even though with the expression of the internet and your technology it has been expressed in a direction to help people be more connecting; but as of that point it was still, even with your social media, was moving in a direction in which people were not actually connecting with each other. They were, in a manner of speaking, using the social media, so to speak, to simply express in manners that would be very similar to a verbal personal diary but not necessarily connecting with other people.

And with the expression of this mass event, it has created a physical isolation which has actually emphasized to many, many people how important it is TO be connecting with other individuals. And with the expression of being limited in how they could be physically interactive or connecting, it created a situation in which people began to think about and realize the significance and the importance of connecting with each other. And in that, then it also began to create an influence in which people began to think about the importance of other people in their lives. They began to appreciate other people more, for the most part.

Now, I understand that there are exceptions to everything, but in general, the mass event has created a situation in which people have been thinking more about connecting, thinking more about how they appreciate other people, family members, friends. In that, in relation to the virus itself—which most people, as you are aware, are still concentrated on that. They are doing other actions in relation to what this mass event is about, but they aren’t necessarily objectively entirely aware of what they are doing. But in this, it has also sparked the idea that it is significant to be expressing thinking about and being considerate of other people.

In the time prior, when people were not connecting with each other, they were very much moving in a direction of being considerably self-absorbed. One of the byproducts of this mass event is influencing people to move in a direction of not only thinking about themselves and not being only self-absorbed but to be considering other individuals, to be looking at themselves and thinking about themselves—if they are healthy or if they are enjoying health—and being considerate of other people not wanting to be, in THEIR perception, putting other people at risk.

Now; that is the ideal, and that is the initial motivation, but as I expressed, it has been somewhat convoluted, which is very understandable.

Now, let me say first of all, let me remind you that this is not an event that is happening in only one place. Some places are more volatile than others, some places are more heated than others, but this is an event that is happening throughout your entire world. This is very much shift-related. It is happening all over your world, in every country. And in that, as I have expressed previously, some countries are expressing more extremely, others may be expressing less so; there are varying degrees in how this is all being expressed, but no one is exempt.

Now, in MANY countries—many countries—there are undertones of other issues that are happening and being expressed. In the United States, in that country there is not necessarily an undertone. It is definitely a very strong overtone of other issues, but those same issues are being expressed in many, many, many other countries in your world.

And what is happening is this is an influence of what is being expressed in relation to the subject of these masks. First of all, the masks themselves are an expression of separation. They are an obvious display of separatism – and I use that word intentionally. And in that, they don’t only separate, but they also create a shield and something to hide behind—which, this is another piece that is being convoluted. Because the expression of thinking about or considering other people and their health—although that was the initial ideal that began motivating people to begin moving in this direction more strongly and actually motivating them to move in this direction MORE than protecting themselves in relation to the virus—but now it has become, and it was very quickly after its inception, more of a tool to be expressing that separatism and to embolden people, because they are hiding behind the mask.

Therefore, in that, when people hide behind masks, they many times feel more bold to express themselves in manners that they wouldn’t automatically express, because they might be afraid that it wouldn’t be accepted. There is a tremendous unrest that is happening. There is a tremendous divide between people; and in that, a great deal of it in certain places, in certain areas of your world, is involving race, but even in areas that aren’t involving race there are other divides. And in that, it is a division of thought, it is a division of importance, it is a division of philosophy, and at this point it is a pressure cooker. And people are hiding behind masks that allow them to express themselves more aggressively.

Those same people without the masks would be very disinclined to be expressing in the manners that they are, but now that they have a shield, now that they are behind a mask, it is much easier for them to embolden themselves and to express themselves. You don’t know who they are – or so the perception is. You might know who they are, but it doesn’t matter because the perception, or the prevailing perception, is that they are sufficiently hidden and that you can’t tell what they REALLY feel, what they REALLY think, because you can’t read their face. Which to a degree has some validity to it, because you are accustomed to engaging with each other and evaluating each other by your expressions and how you express yourself facially. And therefore, in that, because there is a degree of inability to entirely or accurately evaluate what an individual’s actual expression is, that also is contributing to embolding them.

And I would say that in the current climate of so much unrest, this is creating a situation in which people are restless. They are moving in directions of being very dissatisfied; they don’t know what to do; you still don’t have a leader. And therefore, in many respects it seems to be chaos, and there seems to be no organization to anything. Therefore, there is this expression of anger that is brewing.

And remember what anger is, because that genuinely is what is being expressed now, that people don’t know what their choices are. They don’t know what direction to move in. They have considerable reasons to be frustrated and irritated and in a restless expression. They are restless in their souls, they are restless in their bodies, they are restless in their minds. And in that, energy will be expressed. And in this, it is being expressed in conflict and in aggression. People don’t feel connected, they feel at odds, they feel opposition, and therefore they move in aggression. Aggression is the lack of connecting, the lack of connection. That is the only expression, as I have offered previously, that actually is something that disconnects you, is aggression.

In that, I would say that there are also forces at work that are genuinely moving in a direction of promoting more connection, and that IS being helpful, but let me also remind all of you that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. And when you have a wagon, although you have four wheels, if only one of them is squeaking it will be the one that is paid attention to, regardless that the other three are quiet.

There is a considerable amount of energy that is moving in the direction of connecting and not wanting to express aggression and not wanting to move in familiar directions of the past, and I am tremendously, tremendously acknowledging of that. But there are numbers of people – they are in the minority, and I remind you of that – but they are louder. There are people that are expressing aggression and that are expressing forcefulness.

Now, let me say to you that generally those people that you encounter that feel emboldened and will perhaps say something to you in an aggressive manner about wearing a mask or not wearing a mask, remember this: that people, like herd animals, flock together. They group together. People feel safer when they group together than they do alone. They also feel stronger when they group together. You are social animals. You aren’t a type of animal that, or creature that exists alone. You are not tigers. You are more like elephants (chuckles) or antelope. But in that, in being social animals, social creatures, you feel stronger when you are in groups, when you are not alone. And people that are being noisy are attempting to gather a group, because they feel alone. Therefore, they are attempting to gain support of their direction, and the idea that they are expressing this to be protective of other people is the nicety. That is the acceptable expression. That is the acceptable statement. Therefore, then they don’t appear to be selfish or obnoxious or radical or moving in a direction of aggression, even though they are, but they couch it in that camouflage of expressing that they are doing it for other people and you should too.

In this, their motivation is still fear and being alone and wanting to drum up support, so to speak. Therefore, I would say if you encounter an individual that is expressing in this manner, actually genuinely observe what they are doing, because they won’t only look at you. They will also look around, because they are looking around to see if anyone else will join with them, if someone will step up and step next to them and echo them and agree with them. And in that, they don’t only look for someone that will actually do that, but even anyone else around them that may nod or may express a look that is in agreement, and that fuels them.

Therefore, in that, what I would say to you is what is very important is not to match energy. That is the first piece, because that defeats the point. That simply leads you in the direction of conflict and more aggression, and it leads in ultimately directions of violence.

What I would say to presently, I expressed to you previously that you are engaging a new revolution, and you are engaging it in a new manner. You aren’t engaging it in what is familiar. None of this is familiar to you. None of it is familiar to any of you. And in that, even engaging the revolution, you aren’t doing it in the manner that revolutions have traditionally been expressed, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t fighting—you are. You are fighting in a different capacity, and there are two sides and the sides are strongly expressing, but they aren’t expressing in the manner that you are accustomed to.

And in that, what I would say to you is when you encounter an individual that is expressing strongly and in an oppositional manner about wearing a mask and is being judgmental, figuratively, that is your encounter with an individual firing bullets at you. But they aren’t actually firing actual bullets at you; therefore, they aren’t killing you.

And in this, one of the differences with this revolution is that it is a matter of which side is gaining more strength. Is it the side that is moving forward? Or is it the side that is oppositional? The side that is moving forward is actually gaining much more momentum. You will notice that in noticing – and I am aware and know that all of you have noticed – that as strongly as this has moved forward in relation to this virus, so to speak, it is struggling presently to hold that momentum, because people are moving forward. People are engaging their jobs. They are, in your terminology, going back to work. People are opening their business, and they are moving in directions of their lives and that is more important than the virus. And people’s freedom to move in the direction of their lives is more important than the virus.

And in that, yes, there are people that are still trying to keep the momentum going in relation to that control with the virus, and they are continuing to attempt to keep the fear going, but it is a struggle at this point because people aren’t paying attention as much. And the reason they aren’t paying as much attention is because they aren’t being isolated. You can’t control the masses if you don’t isolate them. You can’t keep them in fear if you don’t keep them isolated, and the isolation has broken.

Therefore, what I would say to you is YOUR gun, YOUR bullets are to not match energy. Every time you don’t match energy, every time you discover a witty response, every time you express in a manner that isn’t being pushed back, that you aren’t allowing the other individual to create a reaction—every time you don’t react but you respond intentionally and not match energy, you fire a cannon into their midst.

Therefore, if you think about this revolution in relation to traditional revolutions and the fire power and ammunition that goes along with every revolution, you have your own ammunition and it is quite powerful. You have tanks. You have guns. You have cannons. You have bombs, just as much as they do, and yours are actually more effective than theirs. Theirs are more obvious, but yours are more effective. And how you see that yours are more effective is that people are resuming their lives. Businesses are open. Your economy is beginning to pick up again. And in that, people are interacting and they are connecting. THAT is your evidence that the masks aren’t working and that the people hiding behind the masks and expressing that aggression, that is almost a feeble attempt to shoot the rifle against the cannon, and the cannon will likely win.

Therefore, what I would say to you, my friend, I know and I acknowledge that it is uncomfortable. I know and I acknowledge that the first moment that you encounter these individuals, there is an automatic spark in wanting to push back. And what I would say to you is you don’t have to push back. It isn’t about going along with other people. It isn’t about giving in to other people—it isn’t about any of that. It is about recognizing that you don’t have to prove that you aren’t afraid. You simply can be not afraid.

WENDY: Elias?


PHIL: Elias, thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

WENDY: There’s a lot of elements here, and I’m a little bit confused. First of all, I want to say the irony is not lost on me that we are having this discussion on Independence Day (Elias laughs) in this country of our revolution. And I don’t feel oppressed at all by asking to wear a mask, and I’m not afraid of people who want us to wear masks. They are following their beliefs about disease, and to some extent those beliefs have been effective. I’m more afraid of people who are aggressively not wearing masks and walking into government buildings armed. I’m afraid of people who are arming and who are kind of… I feel like they’re on the other side from me.

And I also feel like the thing that broke the isolation was the racial issue that came up in this country, because people began marching in the streets. Some of them wore masks and some of them didn’t, but they just gathered. They didn’t listen to what they were supposed to do. They went against all the guidelines. And a huge general empathy went out to the black population in this country, which was real helpful, and the whole issue needed to be addressed.

So, we’re dealing with that, we’re ramping up to the election, and what leadership that a lot of disenfranchised people, or who feel disenfranchised—white people—their leader is kind of crashing and burning, which is our president. And I’m kind of scared of the election, because I feel like it’s a flash point. They’re trying to suppress voter turnout a lot. They’re working really hard to keep people from voting. And I don’t think that’s going to work, but even if Donald Trump loses the election, I’m worried about him. I’m worried about his supporters and that kind of thing. And I know those people are very fond of guns.

But I agree that there’s a huge momentum going of people who are moving in a different direction and it’s powerful. When you were talking about it, it occurred to me that they have hardware, but we’re talking about a software change. (Laughs)

ELIAS: I agree.

WENDY: And it’s happening. Yeah. It’s happening, but I'd prefer not to get killed in the crossfire. I mean, everybody would. So…

ELIAS: And I understand. And I would say to you I very much acknowledge you, because I would say to you that there are many, many, many, many people in your country that are afraid of that, that are afraid of being killed, that aren’t necessarily in a situation of intentionally placing themselves in harm’s way, so to speak, but that they question whether they might simply be a casualty of war at some point. And it is understandable, because there IS so much angst. There IS so much opposition that—

WENDY: And the virus. But…

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And I would say that there is yes, a considerable amount of fear that is still being expressed. And at this point, a lot of that fear is altered to not simply be about a virus but is about personal safety in relation to interactions with other individuals. And there are many, many, many places in your country in which individuals are automatically and openly carrying firearms.

WENDY: I have not encountered this personally, but I have seen it on the news and all that.

ELIAS: And in that, I would say that that reinforces the fear that people could encounter a situation of being in a crossfire and have not any intention of engaging any type of conflict. Therefore, in your terminology, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or being in a situation in which they are accidentally wounded or become a casualty. That is all part of war, and revolution is a war.

And I would say that in this time framework, this war is not being fought with physical armaments, so to speak, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t be a part of it also. And they can, and they do, and they are, and they will. But I would say that it is also for many, many, many people, I would acknowledge, a scary time framework, because you don’t know what to expect. And even if you are an individual that is entirely opposed to your present leader, your present president, it matters not, because everything is so volatile in your country that the prospect of this individual losing an election is also a prospect of more demonstration, more rioting, more unrest.


ELIAS: Because there are a lot of people that ARE supporters of him. And therefore, in a manner of speaking, it is very understandable that many individuals in this present time framework, especially in your country, feel that they are damned if they do and they are damned if they don’t. It is VERY understandable.

WENDY: I feel like they need to look to him, and it’s becoming more apparent to them that he is not stable, and they’re becoming more frightened and more angry and they don’t have any place to put it.

ELIAS: Correct.

WENDY: They just don’t know what to do.

ELIAS: Correct. And you have no one stepping up to unite.

WENDY: Well, there’s someone trying a little bit, but yeah.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would say I understand your perspective, but in that, I would also say that when I say there is no one stepping up to unite, I mean that quite literally: not to be on one side or another but to unite both.

WENDY: Isn’t part of the point of the shift to not need leaders or to go beyond leaders, but we’re not quite there yet? Is that…?

ELIAS: Precisely. Yes. It is. You are correct. Precisely. But you aren’t there yet, are you? Do you see the masses being self-directing yet? No. Do you see the masses being self-structuring yet? No. You have a mass event that has—

WENDY: I know, but hopefully people are coming together [inaudible].

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. You have a mass event that has initiated this and has created the beginning, objectively. And that is tremendous, but it is a beginning. And in that, I would express that yes, at this point you still are in a position in which you are looking for leaders.

WENDY: Some structure is necessary.

ELIAS: Yes. And in that, it is what you are looking for in relation to unification, not one side or the other but communion with all of you. And in that, a new leader that isn’t a leader to be a leader, but simply a leader that can help lead you into that communion, that community in which you can be yourselves and individual and moving in your own structures and being self-directing.

WENDY: Do you think there’s anyone in the wings? (Laughs)

ELIAS: I would say that you are moving in that direction and that is possible. I would say—

WENDY: I mean, I think there are a lot of amazing people around.

ELIAS: I would say that it is very possible and not of the people that you are looking at, but that someone might be moving in the direction of moving into that role that you don’t see yet.

WENDY: A dark horse.

ELIAS: Ah. That would be an excellent analogy. (Laughs) That would be an excellent term. Yes. (Laughs) More of a dark horse than you realize. (Laughs)

WENDY: [Inaudible] a surprise.

ELIAS: What I would say to you is that what is tremendously important is that all of you first of all, acknowledge precisely what you have expressed and said, that you aren’t necessarily entirely comfortable, that there are some aspects of what is happening in your world presently that ARE somewhat scary, and that it is natural for you to be looking at some aspects of the future. Being present doesn’t mean you never look at the future or the past; it simply means that you exist in the present.

But in that, it is realistic to be looking at what is occurring now and recognizing that you are correct, you are engaging in an election year, although for the first time in your history—quite literally for the first time in your history—this is the first election year that is taking a back seat to everything else. This is the first time in your history that an election year…

[Connection is disrupted and re-established]

ELIAS: (Chuckles) No accidents. (Chuckles) This is a highly charged subject.

WENDY: Yeah, you blew the circuits there, Elias.

ELIAS: (Laughs) What I was expressing is yes, this is the first time in your history that the present election is not the first and foremost subject in all of your awarenesses and in your communications and in your daily individual conversations and attention, that this particular election is secondary to everything else.

WENDY: It seems like it.

ELIAS: It is. It doesn’t simply seem to be that; it IS, and in that—

WENDY: [Inaudible] everybody worked up about it, I’m sure.

ELIAS: What I would say is that this is part of this mass event, is that people are more concentrated on what they are doing individually. They are more concentrated on their businesses or on their jobs or their families and money and surviving. And in that, they are less concentrated on who is running the country, so to speak, or how they are doing it. Which is a step in that direction of the individual being more important.

WENDY: Okay. I always have felt like we’re moving in the right direction. It’s just… (Elias laughs) The future is going to be—I mean we’re moving toward—the future is kind of ours, but it’s not here yet.

ELIAS: You are correct, and I acknowledge you tremendously. And you ARE moving in that direction and you have been for quite a while. And I would say that it is very encouraging how you are moving now, but when you are moving in new directions and you are moving in the direction of establishing a new society, a new world, that is difficult. And it doesn’t happen overnight.

WENDY: Ever it was thus. (Elias laughs)

DAVID: Hey, what’s up, Elias?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Welcome.

DAVID: Hey, how’s essence life treating you? You doing pretty good?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) As always.

DAVID: Okay. I have a couple questions to validate. Also, this is David L. for the moderator, to make things easier. Is my essence name Auroia?


DAVID: Oh, cool. My core truths, are they synthesis and integrity?


DAVID: Okay. I’m not dispersed, right?

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: Okay. I’m going to get to the fun part right here, because me and Ben were talking yesterday, right? And a really interesting thing that we figured out – and I started to figure this out through just putting concept to experience, right? – is that what we’re doing is that we’re actually… Here, I’ll just read you what Ben told me yesterday. You’ll like this.

"When you redefine a concept, you have to redefine it based on what you are experiencing. You can’t redefine a concept with another concept. We’re moving into the shift based on redefining the concepts based on direct experiences, and obviously when you refine a concept or redefine a concept based on a new experience, you reinforce that new experience. You reinforce that direction. You give the territory a label, right? And that gives you the ability to fast-travel the territory. When we redefine concepts for everyone, are we going to redefine it just for ourselves, or are we going to come up with the terms that everyone can take and apply, or get people to the point where they can come up with their own terminology and their own concepts?"

Pretty much in a nutshell, I’m figuring out that the tools in the information that you’re giving us, if I go and explore it and it makes sense to me in a different way, it’s okay for me to redefine it in a way that makes sense to me, because we’re going through emotional signals. I used to say unpack the message behind the signal, and that wasn’t working too [inaudible]. But I interacted with Jason G. on the session, and just a simple noticing but most of all acknowledging piece, it’s like acknowledging unblocks something with your energy that makes it real so that you see it as something there that you can simply swap out, you know, for a new influence. But could you speak on that for a couple minutes or however long you feel is necessary? I’ve still got a couple more questions.

ELIAS: I would agree with you. I would acknowledge you in your evaluation and how you have been defining this, and moving in a direction of genuinely evaluating and thinking about the concepts. And yes, you are correct that it definitely is moving in a direction of redefining in relation to experience, and in that, making it reality rather than simply concept. But I would definitely acknowledge you in your evaluation of these subjects, and I would encourage you, my friend, perhaps to move in the direction of creating your own essays in relation to this redefinition.

DAVID: Oh, cool. That’s awesome. I like that, because I’m starting to think that I’m getting to the point where I’m realizing my own essence language and I’m realizing the connections that I want to make, and I’m redefining reality in the way that works for me.

I want to get something that I find very funny. I don’t think I’ve honored and accepted my soft orientation for the longest time, because I’m starting to understand it. I think I’ve been approaching creating my reality consciously in the way that a common would, but I’m starting to understand that the whole power and presence really is… I don’t know the best way to explain it, but I’ll just spit it out of my mouth. I think as a soft individual, I think I have to pay attention to being present while I’m being present just in a slightly different manner than the other orientations, because that whole power of presences leaks out into all of my experiences. I notice when I am super excited or I’m just channeling energy, or I’m focusing energy in the present on a particular subject or topic, I notice it will pop up into my reality sometimes immediately, sometimes the next day. The timeframe is not important; it’s just making that thought marker. So, it’s really interesting to just play around with just knowing that I can create whatever I want, I just have to kind of let it pop up and play with the pop-ups like they’re popcorn and eat them when I want to.

But like the thing that I kind of am challenged about now is that I know that it’s kind of easier than I expected to create what I want. And the whole thing is that I’ve been trying to approach it in a systematic, routine type of way instead of just allowing my natural energy for what I want my whole life to be to just reflect that to me. So, I kind of want you to speak about especially, I guess, in relation to soft individuals, but in relationship to all orientations, how can we remove or allow ourselves to move through certain blockages? And perhaps maybe, I guess, notice or accept that this is the way we create, because I just… It kind of is mind-boggling to me that I just realized this a couple of days ago when I had a talk with Robin, and Robin was telling me to just manifest a stack—I mean, if I really want money, right? just focus on a stack of cash on the table. And I told him I don’t like that because it’s too easy. I know it will work, you know. I don’t like manifesting that way. But I think really what he was trying to say is that whatever I’m trying to do, if I’m just projecting that energy of knowing, trust and acceptance of self, that kind of will pop up in every other part of my experience. So, yeah, I guess that’s everything.

ELIAS: That would be correct. And I would say that the most important word of all of it is allowance. And I would say that all of that is actually correct and true, and the challenge is actually doing it.

DAVID: Yeah.

ELIAS: The challenge is not thinking about it, it is not saying it, but is actually putting all of those words into practice and genuinely being in a position of trusting and allowing and knowing, and recognizing what those words actually mean, and then what they look like in actual application and in expression.

DAVID: Yeah.

ELIAS: Therefore, in that, I would say that it is a genuine expression to actually question what each of those words are.

DAVID: I notice when I [inaudible] it, though, that immediately there’s a feeling tone within me that knows the direction that I’m supposed to go in, but then automatically—like for me especially, I know as a soft individual if I want to embrace that fully, one thing that stops me from wanting to do that is responsibilities and “Oh, you can’t have that much fun. You can’t just go around exuding whatever you’re interested in within the power of your presence,” because that kind of sounds just unrealistic in the life that we’re living in. But then again, that’s kind of me just bitching a little bit, because I know that I can do it in an incremental type of way, you know, and just allow the steady accumulation of my natural energy to just be a real thing.

But anyway, I’m sorry, I didn’t want to go on too long. Can you give me, Ben and Rudolf just something individual and something that would kind of inspire us or keep our attention where we should be while we’re waiting for our session? (Elias laughs) Or maybe something that’s challenging? I don’t know, something.

ELIAS: What I would say to all of you is I would challenge each of you to be actually expressing in a direction of manifesting yourselves in these directions in that actual freedom, because that is what you are speaking about. You are actually speaking about your individual, personal freedom, expressing yourselves in the manner that you do. And understand that it is also a matter of consistency, because although you are correct that you still exist in a world that isn’t accustomed to you expressing your personal freedom, they become accustomed to it if you are consistent.


ELIAS: Whether they like it or not is irrelevant, but they become accustomed to whatever it is that you are expressing in your personal freedom if you are consistently doing it. And what their opinion of it is doesn’t actually matter, does it?

DAVID: Uh-uh. It doesn’t.

ELIAS: In that, what is significant to remember is that an individual’s opinion about what you do or how you express yourself isn’t actually very important, and that doesn’t necessarily mean that they like you or don’t like you. Therefore, they may have an opinion about what you do and they might not agree with it, but they might still like you.

DAVID: Yeah. Well, what’s interesting about perception is that there’s the whole input and output. So, when I’m looking at beliefs, I actually have two beliefs in relation to any belief system sometimes. There’s the belief of where I’m placing my attention, but then there’s the belief of what the reflection entails. And that’s kind of been tripping me up a little bit lately, but I think if I get that kind of down and practice a little bit, I might be able to wiggle a little room out and try it on, try something on bigger. You know, I don’t know what I’m wearing, maybe a suit. (Elias laughs) But like I’m just trying to figure out why it’s so confusing. And I think that this is a challenge with a lot of soft people, because I’ve kind of felt like our orientation, especially in this society, has kind of just been… like our growth is stunted, that whole expression, that whole just do whatever I want because I like it. It’s not even that; it’s just the perception of that. But I think I’ll go… I’ll try to figure that out. (Elias laughs) I mean I could take more time, but I don’t want to be rude like that, so whoever else wants to go. I don’t know. There’s Axel, there’s Barb, there’s--

ELIAS: I exceptionally acknowledge you, my friend. (Laughs)

KIMI: I wanted to know why the corner of my eyes and my mouth are dry and they’re peeling. So, I thought [inaudible].

ELIAS: Repeat.

KIMI: I wanted to know why the corner of my eyes and mouth were dry and peeling. Is it the focusing on non-beneficial things?

ELIAS: I would say that it has to do with irritation.

KIMI: Yes, but irritation with what?

ELIAS: And that is the question, is it not? What is irritating you?

KIMI: [Inaudible]

ELIAS: I would say – I will give you a hint. I would say that it has to do with irritation with other people. Not necessarily people that you know, but people in general.

KIMI: That don’t have the same beliefs or perception as me.

ELIAS: Correct.

KIMI: Okay. So, what is it physically? Is it from… Is it allergies or something?

ELIAS: No. In a physical capacity it is… It actually is that irritation, and it is manifesting in a physical capacity.

KIMI: Okay. I think putting petrolatum and hyaluronic acid to help heal it, is that working? Or it’s just healing on its own?

ELIAS: I would say more so it is healing on its own.

KIMI: Okay. So, I’ll just leave it alone.

I have one question. When I’m focusing and there are external/internal distractions, how do I keep my focus? Because there are times something will pop up and I go research it, and I go from subject to subject, and then I forget what I was originally doing, or I end up saying I’ll do it tomorrow.

ELIAS: First of all, I would say that it isn’t necessarily bad that you move from one thing to another. And if you want to maintain a focus, it is a matter of practicing. And how you can do that, or how you can aid yourself in doing that is, whatever your original subject matter is, write it down. And then, as you get distracted and you move from subject to subject, move your attention back to remembering to look at that subject that you wrote down and return to it. It is very similar to learning to meditate, and whenever you drift you readjust. You don’t judge yourself, you don’t become distressed with yourself or agitated with yourself; you simply acknowledge and you refocus. You move back to the original subject matter or the original action, and you keep doing that repeatedly. Eventually, if you keep learning how to readjust yourself and move in that direction, you will begin doing it more and more automatically and not have to readjust yourself so often.

KIMI: Okay. So, I just have one more question. Is Greg or Owen my direct focus?


KIMI: Observing, both?


KIMI: So, I have no focuses working on any of those shows?

ELIAS: Directly, no.

KIMI: Okay. Thanks.

CHRISTOPH: Hi, Elias. Here is Christoph. I have a question about my relation to an ancient Sufi whose name is Abdul Khaliq Ghajadwani. I’m not sure if it is a focus of me or if it is a counterpart.

ELIAS: Focus.

CHRISTOPH: It’s a focus of me? Okay. That answers many questions. That’s all. Thank you.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) You are welcome.

CATALIN: Hi, Elias. Can you hear me?


CATALIN: I am Catalin. I want you to talk about fear on one side and temptation for safety on the other side, like two opposite vibrations. [Inaudible]

ELIAS: Explain.

CATALIN: Explain; okay. I feel I fall in the safety, temptation of safety, and go in cycles, in fixed things. And I wanted to break the cycle, but it is like my body’s toxic with fear and [the] combination [of] falling in safety, and all this cycle, it’s repeating. And repeating is so natural.

ELIAS: How do you move in a direction, or how are you connecting the safety factor in relation to fixing?

CATALIN: Safety and fixing?


CATALIN: I think I’m fixing my body, and this may relate to safety.


CATALIN: [Inaudible] fixed.


CATALIN: Sorry, repeat?

ELIAS: HOW is it related to safety? How do YOU relate it to safety?

CATALIN: It’s like… It’s like a butterfly going to cocoon to heal, and it takes time and it’s no dates or finish dates, and it can’t relate to the world in this time. It may not function correctly. It’s also judgment…

ELIAS: [Inaudible] you are having, and then when you step out then you engage the difficulty and it becomes unsafe?

CATALIN: It is like I am an alien. It’s a distancing. It’s like… It’s difficult sometimes to relate to usual things after coming from cocooning, let’s say.

ELIAS: What I would say, to begin with, is that it would be a matter of engaging steps, not to overwhelm yourself, but I understand the factor that it would feel uncomfortable and that it would feel unsafe in many capacities. What I would say to you is that it would be a matter of beginning in increments, taking small steps in engaging in different situations and with other individuals, but definitely giving yourself limits—first of all, evaluating to yourself what you personally can identify with yourself that you have the capacity to engage.

Let us say, as a hypothetical example, that you want to go out from your home. You want to go into town or you want to engage a conversation with a friend or you want to begin to meet someone. In that—in any of those situations—first of all it is a matter of you evaluating how much energy do you perceive that you can comfortably share. How much of you—how much time, how much energy, how much attention—how much of you can you comfortably share in any capacity? And that doesn’t mean that you have to be sharing in any kind of intimacy with another individual. It doesn’t even mean you have to share with another individual at all. It could be an action. It could be simply having a certain amount of time in which you go into town and you are walking around in the town or you are driving outside or you are engaging any action or activity that is outside of your comfort area. And therefore, when I say share, it doesn’t necessarily mean with someone; it simply means how much of yourself can you share in a situation, in a place. How much can you open to a place or a situation or an interaction, evaluating how much is comfortable for you.

Think of your energy and time and attention, those three factors as currency. Therefore, each one of those factors—your time, your energy, your attention—these are different values of currency, and you have a certain amount of each one of those. How much are you comfortable in spending at any particular given time framework?

Now, when you can evaluate that and you can give yourself permission to spend this much currency in time, attention and energy in any action, in any direction, then you can move in increments in a safe capacity. You can learn to be moving in a safe manner and not overwhelming yourself. When you set intentions or goals or directions that are too much, then you are moving yourself in a direction in which it crosses that line of being not safe any longer and it feels uncomfortable. And therefore, if you can move in increments and you can give yourself permission to move in what you evaluate is enough at any given point for you, then that can be safe for you.

It also is a matter of establishing an actual physical place and time that you evaluate as being safe for you. You are outside of the cocoon, and being outside of the cocoon, yes, for that newly-formed butterfly that is just moving outside of its chrysalis, its wings are wet, it is not quite certain how to fly yet, and the world can be appearing as an unsafe place. But if the butterfly waits and allows its wings to dry and flaps them first before it lifts off, then the world is less of an unsafe place. And in that, the butterfly learns to follow its own instinct, follow its own trust of itself to move it in safe and correct directions.

And that applies to you also. It is a matter of not pushing and not expecting more of yourself than you are capable of engaging at any given point in time, giving yourself permission to move at your pace and in increments that feel safe and not to move beyond that. You aren’t in a race. You can take your time. And in that, you can move at your pace, and that is entirely acceptable, my friend.

CATALIN: I have a problem with time, with nagging that I lost so much time and it takes so much time. And life passes away and it’s nagging me.

ELIAS: Life isn’t passing away--you are living it.


ELIAS: If you weren’t, you would be disengaged. Therefore, it is a matter of letting go of the expectations and rather, giving yourself that permission to move in those safe increments. Because the more you do that, the more you WILL engage and life won’t be passing you by. It isn’t passing you by—you are living it.

But I do understand you may want to be living it differently, and you may want to be engaging it more. And in that, the more you give yourself permission to not push yourself, the more you will move in the direction that you want, faster.

CATALIN: Okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

VERONICA: Elias? Hello. Elias?

MODERATOR: Hi. This is the moderator. I’m just going to jump in really quickly. This will probably be our last question, unfortunately.

VERONICA: May I ask a question? It’s Veronica. Oh, hello, Elias. I have something of levity to ask you. You know I have a project. I’m working on my little ping pong ball.


VERONICA: And I haven’t made any motion with it, although something has happened with my eyes during this. It appears as though the—

[Audio is disrupted]

VERONICA: What can I do to actually make this hollow ball of plastic move? I talk to it, I’ve held it, I’ve asked it—you know. But nothing has happened. But I am convinced that I can do it, but it hasn’t manifested. So…

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And what I would say to you is what I expressed to you previously: Stop trying so hard!

VERONICA: Well, then what do I do? Tickle it? What do I do to make it move? (Both laugh)

ESTER: Hi, this is Ester. Hello.

ELIAS: All that is necessary for you to do is actually to allow it to move. Stop trying to push it.

VERONICA: Really? Just place it and watch it?

ELIAS: Allow it to move. Stop trying to push it.

VERONICA: Ah. You mean push the whole scenario?

ELIAS: Yes. Stop trying to push.

VERONICA: Oh. So, in—

ESTER: And admire. Admire.

VERONICA: Admire it?

ESTER: Yes. Admire it. Fall in love with it. (Elias chuckles)


ESTER: That’s what worked for me, when I projected an energy of love and appreciation in the color and the texture just by watching it, not by doing anything.

VERONICA: Oh. Even by resonating with it and conversing with it?


VERONICA: I will do that. I certainly will. Okay.

ELIAS: Very well. (Chuckles)

VERONICA: Thank you. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting. And I express tremendous, tremendous encouragement to all of you, and tremendous support. Know that my energy is always being supportive of each and every one of you.

In great love to you all and in dear friendship, au revoir.

GROUP: Thank you. Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 41 minutes.)

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