Session 202005301

How Can You Help?


Webinar 20200530
“How Can You Help?”
“Connecting with Other Focuses as Essence”
“Connecting with Neighbors via Telekinesis”
“Numbers with Respect to the Virus”
“The United States as a Powder Keg”
“Be the Example”
“Differences in Resolving Conflict”

Saturday, May 30, 2020 (Group/Webinar)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Barb (Shouno), Brigitt (Camile), Carleen (Neliswa), Christine (Lurine), Christopher, Corina, David L., Debbie (Tamarra), Jason (Posha), Jeff (Galina), John (Rrussell), Julie, Katrin (Duncan), Kimi (Kiatia), Kirill, Lynda (Ruther), Magdalena (Michella), Marij (Kammi), Nuno (Lystell), Paul (Paneus), Philip (Paetre), Robert, Rodney (Zacharie), Val (Atticus), Veronica (Amadis) and Wendy (Myiisha)

“You have an influence.”

ELIAS: Good day! And as per usual, I will allow all of you your questions. This is an interesting time framework that you are experiencing presently, and I am aware that many, many, many people have many questions because…no one is answering your questions (chuckles). And in that, these group interactions that we are engaging, I have been allowing all of your questions because I am aware that there are so many individuals that are confused with what is occurring. And it is a time framework to continue to clarify what your present normal is, because it changes from week to week, sometimes from day to day. Therefore, in that, I will open the floor to all of you for your questions, and I shall be accommodating in answering them all.

PAUL: Hi, Elias. This is Paul. I maybe have a general question a lot of people have. We’re aware of the coronavirus being already widespread across the country and most people already have it. But when I bring that topic up to others, they get real upset and defensive and they say, “Well, where’s your proof?” And what is the best way that we can respond that allows them to be aware and also not be angry or upset with us?

ELIAS: When you say “us,” clarify, let us say, what camp you are identifying with.

PAUL: I’m in the Elias camp, whereby I am aware that the virus has already been widespread, based on what you’ve talked about, and everyone—most everyone—has already had it. So, that’s the camp I’m in.

ELIAS: Not necessarily that everyone has HAD it, but everyone has definitely been exposed.

PAUL: Yes. Yes. And I was trying to relate that in a general sense to others, and I want to know how best we can communicate that concept without others being upset or angry or defensive toward us.

ELIAS: And what would be your purpose or your point in communicating that to other individuals?

PAUL: I would think it would be beneficial for them to see a different perspective, that things are not as bad off or dangerous that they think they are.

ELIAS: And this is the point that I was addressing to previously, and will again, is that most people at this time framework incorporate a very strong perception, regardless of what direction it is. Just as your perception is very strong in one direction, other people have equally as strong of perceptions in other directions.

And in that, those people that are afraid or are cautious or are feeling threatened, it is pointless for you to give them that type of information because they don’t want it and they don’t want to hear it, because what they believe and what their perception is, is so strong that they automatically will move in a direction of dismissing what you are expressing, and they will justify that by expressing to themselves and perhaps even to you in response that you are either uninformed or you are delusional or you are not taking the situation as seriously as you should. They have many different responses, but the point is that I understand that your motivation might be to help to alleviate some fear or some panic or some confusion with other people—which is, I would say, a noble motivation but somewhat pointless, because it is not going to be received.

What is important to understand is that you may speak to some people that agree with you and that are looking at the situation from a perspective that is not driven by fear, and you can discuss the situation and your ideas about it with each other. But when it is a matter of engaging other people that DO believe that there is an ongoing threat and that are listening to the media and that are listening to people that they view as authorities, what I would say to you again is what is important is not moving in the direction of attempting to inform other people but rather moving in a direction of genuinely asking how you can be helpful, how can you help.

PAUL: Thanks, Elias.

ELIAS: That would be the most beneficial direction to move in, because what is important in these time frameworks is that people feel supported and that they can see that in a world that they don’t trust presently and that seems very threatening, that there are people that are genuinely caring and that genuinely want to be helpful in whatever capacity they can. And that gives other people something TO trust, which is much more effective and beneficial than attempting to give them information that they won’t accept anyway.

PAUL: Thanks, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

NUNO: Hello, Elias? I have a question about my revealing process and other focuses, if that’s acceptable to you?

ELIAS: Definitely.

NUNO: Okay. As I progress through my revealing process, will I be able to shift my focus of attention to other focuses, in particular concurrent focuses? And if I do so, will I retain the memory of this focus and the knowledge I have in this focus and the awareness? And how would I accomplish this?

ELIAS: First of all, can you do that in this process that you are engaging? Yes, you can. Would you retain the knowledge and the awareness of yourself in doing that? Yes, you can. It depends on how you do it. If you are moving in a direction in which you are moving into another focus, into the experience of another focus, then no, you wouldn’t retain the awareness of your present focus of attention and that knowledge. But the point is HOW you are doing it, and because you would be doing it from the perspective of essence – because that is the point, that is what you are moving in the process of – and in doing that, then yes, you would retain the knowledge and the awareness of you as your focus.

What I would say is you likely, from that perspective, would incorporate the experience of this focus blending, in a manner of speaking, with the other focuses. Meaning that you would be viewing each of the other focuses as realistically, as personally as you do yourself, but you would also have the perspective that those experiences, those yous of you, are almost a perspective of memory. And therefore, this focus would also be the same as those.

Therefore, in that, it would be similar to the experience of watching a film of memories. I would say that you, in like manner to many other individuals, likely have at some point in your life watched some type of film of yourself at a younger age, or some type of video, let us say, of yourself at a younger age with other people. And in that, when you watch yourself on a filmed recording, a video, which is, let us say, of a different time framework in your life, you watch that and you remember it. You recall it and you feel it. You don’t simply watch it as you would be watching a movie, because that is impersonal and it isn’t your experiences. But when you watch yourself in a previous time framework that you have been filmed and you are observing that, but you also are engaging feelings and recall of that memory, of those experiences, and you identify with those experiences and you know them as part of you—part of YOUR experience.

Therefore, in this, viewing or connecting with other focuses from the perspective of you as essence, THIS you would, in a manner of speaking, blend with all the other yous as being seen through memory, and they would all be memories of you. You would experience the feeling of them, the energy of them per se, the knowing of them, because all of them would not seem to you from that perspective to be someone else. They would all be you, at different times or in different memories, let us say.

And how can you do that? I would say continuing to move in the direction that you are in developing these experiences of yourself as essence rather than only as yourself as the focus, moving more in that direction in which you are more and more feeling and experiencing – and the reason I continue to use that word “feeling” is because you are still in physical focus, and therefore you do translate most of your reality with some aspect of feeling, because that is one of your primary avenues of communication, is emotion. And therefore, the feeling aspect of your experiences is very strong and important, being in physical focus. Therefore, it would also be a part of the experience. It wouldn’t be the same as, let us say, from my perspective, because I'm not engaging in your physical reality any longer, or the attention that I hold is not participating in your reality any longer. Therefore, it would be different. Whereas, I don’t actually experience the emotional expression of your reality and therefore also the feelings; you would, because you are still participating in physical reality. Therefore, that would still be a part of the experience, even though you would be experiencing through the perspective of essence rather than only the focus.

In that, once again, how do you do that? I would say that whenever you are experiencing those time frameworks or those moments in which you are aware that you have, in a manner of speaking, stepped beyond yourself as this focus and you have stepped into the experience of yourself as essence, then it is a matter of while you are in that experience to move your attention in specific directions. Therefore just as you would, let us say, in your usual waking state turn your head to look at different objects in your room, it is a very similar action in that when you have connected in that manner—and I know you know what I am expressing, because you have had the experience—when you are in that experience, then it is a matter of, figuratively speaking, turning and looking at each memory--which will be a focus—looking at each memory individually and—

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ELIAS: Continuing. In that, as you turn your attention, in the same manner that you would turn your head in your room to look at something different in your room, turn your attention to each focus. I would suggest that you do that one at a time, because it could be quite overwhelming initially until you are much more familiar with the action of moving in and out of each focus, but recognizing that you are calling up memories. That is an important factor. Regardless that they are happening now, every experience is a memory. Therefore, I would express that it is simply a matter of moving your attention to look at different memories. You don’t have to have an objective identification of each focus. You don’t have to know their names, you don’t have to know where they are, because it is all you. Therefore, you aren’t looking for a different focus; you are looking for different memories and pulling forward in recall those different memories.

In that, what I would say to you is, while you are in that state you can objectively be expressing to yourself that you are not looking for any of the memories that apply to you in this focus, therefore no memories in relation to this particular present physical location or whatever location physically that you resided in as a child. Therefore, you are generating a distinction to express not to move your attention to those memories, but any other memories.

Now, when you do that, from that perspective you will immediately automatically know the name of that individual, know the history of them, know all of their memories. It will automatically be all there for you to access, just as your own memories are all there for you to access. And in that, it is as easy as recalling any memories from this focus once you have connected with any one of the other focuses. Are you understanding?

NUNO: Yes, I am. And in doing so, this would be in the capacity of simply remembering and recalling and observing, not in the capacity of actually engaging that focus?

ELIAS: Mm, no. It IS engaging that focus. That would be the difference from what I was expressing in it being different from watching a movie. It isn’t the same as watching a movie. It is similar, but not the same as watching a video of yourself at a different time in your life in which you definitely know that is you and you are connecting with that memory but you also are experiencing it as you. You aren’t looking at that video of yourself at a different time as a movie, as someone else. You know that it is you, and all the memories around that experience you know what they are because it is you and you are experiencing it AS you. It is the same with the recall of another focus.

Therefore, once you are moving your attention to a memory, then you are subsequently that individual, and now you are recalling the memories that are yours that aren’t a different focus—they are yours. But the difference is that from the perspective of essence there isn’t this considerable distinction of individual focuses. There are distinctions of individual EXPERIENCES, but it is all you. It is all your experience. And although you may be wearing a different appearance or you may be wearing a different costume of gender, it is all you, and therefore it isn’t simply that you would be recalling memories only. You are actually engaging it as you, without the distinction that it is this you or it is that you or it is another you—it is all one.

NUNO: Okay. Thank you. I will be exploring this. Thank you.

ELIAS: Very well.

VERONICA: Hello, Elias?


VERONICA: Ah, hello. (Elias laughs) I want to ask you: I am attempting to consolidate a group of neighbors to interest them in the Elias material, and also I think that I could have more friends with whom I can discuss these topics. And I remember a college professor telling me many years ago that he had his class [inaudible] sit around a table, and each of them would think about moving—with their own energy—moving a ping-pong ball from end of the table to the other. And I mentioned this in a jovial manner to my neighbors, and they said, “Veronica, let’s do that! If it works, we’ll believe everything you tell us.” (Elias laughs) I’m very cautious as to what I tell them (Elias chuckles), but I’m doing it selfishly. But I feel there are so many divisions in the community, especially now. And I’m just wondering, do you think this is an appropriate use of us joining our energies, and would we be able? I mean, I have to ask them to genuinely express the intention of demonstrating their energy by moving this ball. It’s not a parlor trick. But I mean, I've attended sessions that people have moved a table. I’m thinking a ping-pong ball is easier.

ELIAS: It is. (Both laugh)

VERONICA: So, I wanted your comments on this.

ELIAS: I would say first of all, you definitely could move a ping-pong ball, and I would say that if all of the individuals were concentrating their energy together, that would definitely create a strong enough energy to physically move the ball across the table. But I would also be acknowledging you, that you are attempting to connect with your neighbors and interact with them and be involving yourself with them. And if you want to use this information as your focal point to do that, then I would be tremendously encouraging of you. The only piece I would express to you is to pay attention and to genuinely attempt to not be ruffled if the other individuals don’t accept everything that you express to them. And in that, remind yourself that your intention is connecting and sharing, not instructing.

VERONICA: All right. I understand. Yes.

ELIAS: But I would be exceptionally encouraging of you, my friend.

VERONICA: Thank you. Thank you so much. And if the—when, after the ping-pong ball moves, we might go on to the table. And for the next, I will talk to you. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Very well! And I would say you can definitely tip the table also! (Chuckles)

VERONICA: If I would call on your help in the midst of this, would you comply?


VERONICA: How wonderful! I shall do that.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well!

VERONICA: Thank you so much.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

VAL: Good morning, or good afternoon, Elias. (Elias chuckles) Recently you spoke of five countries that had inflated the coronavirus death numbers. One of those was Bosnia, of which you know I have an interest in Bosnia. And I understand that there are layers and agendas with this particular event. Could you spread some light on the reasoning in Bosnia?

ELIAS: I would say that it is the same as the other locations: fear.

VAL: Would it have anything to do with perhaps individuals’ desire maybe to eventually join the E.U. and move in that direction? For economic purposes?

ELIAS: No. No. I understand what you are expressing, and there is definitely a significant energy that is moving in that direction, but that would not necessarily be connected with the expression that I was speaking of.

VAL: Okay. Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

[Several voices speak at once, and Elias chuckles]

MARIJ: I’m going forward. (Elias chuckles) For one second. It’s just a minor question. Elias, I’m still confused. I understand Val’s question. It was about Bosnia, and you mentioned in another session Bosnia and Greece about numbers. Why did you mention those two countries? Because those two countries seem to be having not that many corona victims. So, I’m confused. Could you help me in my confusion?

ELIAS: What I would say to you is, perhaps the reason you are confused is because they aren’t as loud or as noisy about what they are experiencing as the other countries are. In that, there is much more media attention in the other countries, and has been. And that doesn’t necessarily mean that these other countries aren’t experiencing some similar directions in relation to exaggerating the expression of the affected people, that in this time framework—and they are doing it for different reasons, but in this time framework I would say that yes, these other countries are also inflating numbers. And in that, partially I would say that it is in relation to an aspect of being recognized – not entirely, but there is a significant piece in that.

I would say that in this present time framework, my friends, as much as so many of you want to be moving in a direction of minimizing the importance of the virus and the affectingness of it and wanting to reassure people that they are not in danger or that they are not at tremendous risk or being tremendously threatened, there are a tremendous amount of people presently that actually want to be in that wave, because it pulls recognition to them. It gives them a reason for aid. Therefore, if they are struggling more, or if their numbers are inflated in relation to the affectingness of the virus itself, then it moves them in a position of being recognized more and therefore being more eligible, let us say, for help.

MARIJ: I kind of understand that. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome. Let me say to you that in recent time frameworks, these two countries have incorporated significant struggles, and I would say that their struggles unfortunately have for the most part gone unrecognized by the rest of the world. They are not so very unusual in that, but what makes it different, in a manner of speaking, is that these two countries are very involved with European countries. In that, it is, I would say, more emphasized than distressing that they are somewhat ignored by other countries. In your world, there are places in your world that you somewhat expect to ignore: almost the entire continent of Africa, almost the entire continent of South America. But in relation to certain places in your world, places that are surrounding or are on the outskirts of Europe, places that are in surrounding areas or part of the Middle East, places that are surrounding the United States, places that are affiliated with the United Kingdom—these are all places in your world that you don’t necessarily expect to be ignored, and some of them are. And in that, some of them have incorporated some significant struggles and difficulties in recent years. And in that, this is, I would say, the perfect opportunity for them to be heard, or for them to be noticed.

Remember: this is a global event. This is a global, mass event, and therefore everyone is participating. And in that participation, there are some places that I would say are taking the opportunity to move in directions in which they are looking to what benefits them, which I would say is commendable. Is that not what all of you want to move in the direction of, whatever is to your greatest benefit? Why should a country not do the same?

JASON: Hi, Elias?


JASON: Hi. I don’t really have a question, but I was just curious as to your perspective on the racial tensions in the United States presently—a lot of unrest, as you’re aware.

ELIAS: I would say to you, my friend, your country (pause)… your country is (pause)… figuratively already in the throes of a civil war. It isn’t an actual, physical civil war; it is an energetic and expressional civil war. But your country is so divided—and it has been moving more and more and more in that direction—that what I would say to you at this present time framework, you are not moving in a direction of creating an actual physical civil war, but you are creating a situation in which the energetic expression and tension in your particular country is so stretched, it is so inflamed that it will be interesting to observe what you do with it from this point forward.

This is a significant year in your country, and not that by the end of this year that you will move in one direction or another. That is unlikely, but I would say to you, realistically by the end of this year it is likely that you will move in a direction of either escalating to a significant degree, which would be very similar to pouring gasoline on a fire, or you will begin to pull out the hoses and be dousing the fire with some water. Not that it will quell it entirely, but it is possible to dampen it somewhat. I would say this is a pivotal time in your country. It is a difficult time in some countries, but your country is very volatile presently. You have been moving in this direction for approximately the past five years intensely, and it has been building and building and building on a daily basis. And in that, I would say that the racial tensions have been building considerably for approximately the past ten years. They have moved in significant directions.

But what I would say to you in that is, very similar to this mass event, this is what you do as humans. This is how you change, is you don’t generally change easily. You create significant difficulties, and you continue to do that until it is not bearable any longer. You paint yourselves into corners. And you do this throughout your world; it isn’t only your country. It simply is that your country presently is very much moving in a direction of being a powder keg.

And let me say to you that historically, you could actually express that this is something that was somewhat to be almost anticipated, and then when you add to that this shift in consciousness, you definitely have created a significant powder keg. Most countries generate revolutions approximately once every two or three hundred years, some even less time frameworks. But your country is a new country, and in that, your country has not generated a revolution since its birth, which is unusual. And in that, especially in relation to the diversity in your country, that your country was not built on indigenous people. The indigenous people were either moved out or were moved to designated small areas, and peoples from many, many, many other parts of your world then took over that land and created your country.

In other countries, the countries are generally occupied by the people that had been there for centuries, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, maybe even thousands of years. And when countries begin that are pushing out indigenous people and then building a country, it isn’t that that can’t be successful. There are countries throughout your world that have done this and that are successful, but they also have revolutions. They go through revolutions in which the people mass together to create significant changes in the government, in the manner in which the country is expressed and how the people are expressed in that country and how they integrate with each other—not in relation to races, but in relation to their cultures.

Now, in that, in YOUR country, you don’t simply have cultures, you also have many different races that your country was established with. It isn’t that there aren’t many races of people in other countries, but they weren’t all together establishing that country from the onset. But yours was. Therefore, you have a tremendous amount of diversity in your country that isn’t recognized, because a country generally wants to generate one culture that is the same. Your country doesn’t have that. And the more time that is expressed, the more people move in the direction of raising their voices and wanting to be recognized and wanting to be heard. And that is and has been creating a significant difficulty with your country.

In this, what has created a tremendous divide is… I would say that the people in your country, the divide is more so between black and white than between other races and white. Not that there hasn’t been conflict between any race and Caucasians or European descendants, let us say. There has, but the main divide in your country is black and white. And the reason that that is, is because the black and white have been in existence with each other with your country almost from its inception—not quite, but almost.

Therefore, in that, there is this almost balance of these two races, not in relation to how you interact with each other – most definitely not – but in relation to, I would say, energetically, your claim to this particular country. But in that, the difficulty has been and continues to be, to your present time framework, the very unrealistic mindset of both races. The unrealistic mindset of the Caucasian race or the white race in your country of the country belonging to them and of being (pause) somewhat superior, and the black race and the mindset of being unendingly oppressed but also incorporating a perception that the country is equally theirs.

Therefore, in this, it creates this tremendous struggle, because you have a perfect dynamic of the victim and the perpetrator. And no matter how loud the victims become, they continue to cry victim, and that fuels the perpetrators. It gives them power. It gives them the impetus to continue to BE the perpetrators. And in that, there is a continued perception of matching energy.

Now, I would say to you that you incorporated a brief moment in time, a brief moment in history, twice in the history of your country, in which you incorporated one white man and one black man at different times that championed being one, being together. And for a brief moment in your history, there was a blink of moving in that direction, but it was so brief, both times, that it was never kindled enough to become a flame. It remained only a spark.

In that, I would say that it was enough of a spark at both times to make an impact and to be remembered. But in this, I would also say that at this point, the direction of both of those individuals that moved in the direction for togetherness has now, in a manner of speaking, fueled the necessity of change and how important it is and that you cannot continue to maintain what you have maintained previously, because fear has become rampant. The perpetrators are terrified, and therefore they are fueled to more violence. The victims are terrified, and therefore they become more victims. Therefore, in this, you cannot maintain that dynamic for much longer. It is simply waiting for a spark to explode.

And in that, as I expressed, your country is actually, historically speaking, due for a revolution, and that is the direction you are moving in. And I would say, in a manner of speaking, rightfully so, because revolutions are for the people, not for the authorities. And the people in your country are finding their voice. And in that, I would say that this past five years has fueled that tremendously, tremendously. And that leaves you in the position that you are now.

And I would say to you in encouragement, generally the changes that come from revolution are—in your terminology and in your perception—good, but they are won at a high price. And in that, that is what you are generating presently.

Don’t fool yourselves into thinking that you aren’t engaging a civil war; you are. You simply aren’t doing it with guns. You are doing it in many other manners, and sometimes with guns, but you aren’t facing each other in armies. You are definitely, though, engaging each other in violent pursuits of freedom, and freedom is a state of being that generally comes at a high cost and is hard won. Not that it has to be, but generally that is how you do it as humans.

And in that, my encouragement to you is that it likely won’t last long, this civil war, because it has already been raging for years. And because you are also being fueled by this shift in consciousness, it likely won’t continue for a tremendous length of time from this point onward, but there is a considerable potential that it will be more physical than it even has been.

WENDY: Elias?

JASON: Thank you. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

WENDY: The staff that I work with—which right now is online digitally with them, but anyway—is predominantly black, or partially, you know, mixed black—not as white as me. I’m in the minority, which is interesting. It has been very interesting, and I have believed in the direction of working together, and I have felt like it took a lot of personal kind of work to do that. Realizing that I’m in the position, in the race that has defined reality in this country, the common reality, and that I have certain assumptions that are disturbing for black people that were built in. And I’ve been looking and understanding that I can’t just act the way I usually act.

And I’m curious about this subject of political correctness, because I felt like in my view it was a helpful tool to deal with people that are in minorities in this country. But I agree that black people have a definite, different niche, partially because they were brought here as slaves and for a long time everything was done to deny that they were fully human, and some people are not over that. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Many, many, MANY people are not.

WENDY: Well, I watched the video of the man who killed another man by kneeling on his throat, the black man who was killed by this white man. And I felt that the white man was standing there, he was gloating and he was acting like it was a hunting trophy, like he was kneeling on this guy and he was superior and he knew what he was doing. And I felt like it was murder, but it’s not every day you get to watch somebody murdered in that fashion, even if it’s on video. I found it extremely disturbing. And I had occasion to talk to my sort of boss, the team leader where I work, that same day. He was very upset, and I said, “I don’t understand how you can function today. It’s so upsetting.” And (emotionally) he said he was having problems and he thanked me, but I was like, “This has got to stop.” And I don’t know what else to do except keep trying to do what I’m doing.

ELIAS: And I acknowledge you, tremendously. And let me be clear that this divide is not shared by everyone, but unfortunately those that are not part of the divide are in the minority. Those that are part of the divide are in the majority. And in that, that is the reason that those two figures in your history, both—

WENDY: Martin Luther King, and who else?

ELIAS: Your president.

WENDY: Abraham Lincoln?

ELIAS: Correct. And how poetic, in a manner of speaking, that both of them were assassinated. It didn’t matter that one was white and one was black. They both moved in a very similar direction, one in a civil war and one attempting to prevent a civil war. And both of them were individuals moving in a direction of advocating togetherness, and both of them were sacrificed for it.


ELIAS: And what I would say to you is, they were sacrificed by the majority. The majority is not one race or the other—it is both of them together. That is the majority, because you can’t have a perpetrator without a victim. You can’t have a victim without a perpetrator. They move hand in hand. You have to have both to have that dynamic. And in that, you do; you have both. And the both together create the majority.

And then there is the minority of people in both races that also believe in the direction of being together and that move in the expression of that, and that aren’t uncomfortable with each other and aren’t matching energy with each other and aren’t in competition with each other and aren’t threatened by each other. But those of you that are in that camp are in the minority.

But what I would say to you in that – and this IS an encouragement tremendously – is that those of you in the camp with myself were in the vast minority also when we began, and in your terms and in your time framework, in a very short quarter of a century all of you have spread, simply by being examples—not by preaching to everyone, not by carrying signs, not by being activists, but by being examples you have influenced and spread. And a quarter of a century later, you are not actually so much in the minority. At this point, throughout your world—that isn’t evenly dispersed in different countries—but throughout your world you are now at your 50% mark, and you accomplished that in only a quarter of a century.

In this, I would say to you all that you can be tremendously encouraged, because if you can accomplish that in relation to this shift, in generating an influence that people throughout your world are becoming more and more and more aware that they are actually creating their reality through their choices, I would say to you that twenty-five years prior to now, that was a concept that there was such a SMALL percentage of people that actually even considered that.

WENDY: It was a laughable concept.

ELIAS: I would very much agree. And now it is—

WENDY: I can actually bring it up, and they don’t laugh.

ELIAS: Because it is practically what you term to be mainstream. And in that, that is a tremendous change that has happened without fighting, without preaching, without signs, without marching, without guns, without violence, without instructing. And look—

WENDY: Well, I have to say there has been a little preaching, but…

ELIAS: Perhaps. But not much.

WENDY: Yeah. I agree.

ELIAS: And in that, a tremendous accomplishment. And the same can be accomplished in healing the divide between people.

WENDY: So, the majority is invested in this, is that correct? In the victim and perpetrator?

ELIAS: Oh, very much so.

WENDY: Yeah. And they—

ELIAS: Oh, VERY much so.

WENDY: They really want to keep—

ELIAS: Look at your world now, my friend. How many people are afraid? How many people are in trauma and fear and confusion over an organism? (Wendy laughs) And in that, I would say to you that the idea, the concept that the majority of people in your country would still be in this tremendous divide of the victim and the perpetrator, and that both sides feel such tremendous threat!

Let me say to you, it is not that one side feels or perceives that they are so empowered. They perceive they are entitled, but they don’t perceive that they are empowered. They are afraid, and that is the reason that they resort to violence, because they are afraid.

WENDY: And so, in order to move in this direction of working together, being together, just ignore it? Just ignore the conflict as much as possible?

ELIAS: No, no, no, no, no, no, no!


ELIAS: No, no, no, no. I would NEVER express to you to ignore it. That would be ludicrous. It is not a matter of ignoring it; it is a matter of presenting a different example. It is a matter of acknowledging it, not ignoring it.

WENDY: But saying you don’t have to that; here's something else.

ELIAS: Presenting, yes, a difference. And BEING the difference. (Pause)

Remember what I was expressing to all of you in relation to climate change, and in regard to climate change, when individuals would express, “What can I do? I feel that I cannot do enough, or what I am doing isn’t enough”? And I expressed, engage with other people, share with other people, and in that, be interactive. You don’t have to be expressing in manners that you have to do everything, but you can be interactive with other people in relation to the actions and the subjects that are important to address, such as building in other areas that would be more advantageous. And in that, does that mean every one of you needs to be moving to a different location and physically picking up a hammer and building something? No! Of course not. But there are many of you that interact with individuals that do that, that that is their livelihood. And you have an influence.

Or, what I expressed to you in relation to this present mass event. And what did I say even in this conversation today? What can you do? Ask how you can help. That is how you can be proactive. That is how you can be the example, not by matching energy. Ask other people how you can help. Walk up to a stranger and ask them, “Can I help you?” And don’t be put off if that stranger looks at you and is afraid of you and says no and moves away. Then walk up to the next stranger and say, “Can I help you?”

Or, as I have recently expressed with some of you, there are places all around all of you – and this is not only in relation to your pandemic or your mass event, but your races also. There are places all around you that you can DO something that can be helpful. THAT is the example.

Just as with yourself, my friend, you spoke to your coworker and you expressed yourself genuinely, and you expressed that genuine empathy towards him, and he appreciated that. That is connecting. That is sharing. Even an expression such as that is something. It is DOING something, and it is helping.

WENDY: Yes. It felt good.

MODERATOR: Hi, this is the moderator. We have about ten minutes left, just as a time check.

WENDY: Thank you, Elias.

DAVID: Elias?

ELIAS: You are welcome.

DAVID: Can you hear me? Hello?


DAVID: Hello?

ELIAS: Continue.

DAVID: Can you hear me, Elias?


DAVID: Oh, cool! Awesome. I’m walking to work right now. I’ve got a couple quick questions, and then I’m going to ask another question that I’m going to try and make beneficial for everybody, but is my intent the exploration of interconnection within systems?

ELIAS: Within systems. Yes.

DAVID: Yes. Oh. Okay, that’s good. The other question I have is [dog barking]—my daughter is trying to get out of the house. Come on, [inaudible]. Rudolph Gerner, his stats: is it Vold/Sumari and then soft/political?


DAVID: Okay, thanks.

And the other question I have is, I had an interesting experience that would have to do with me. You can just make this really quick. I think I went through an aspect change, and like I just became really much more expressive with my personality, who I am as a person. And like my joints started shifting, something happened in my back, I found it hard to concentrate at work because I was like my mind was just so erratic, bouncing around with things that I was interested in. I almost thought I was going to lose my job, but what was happening with that? Because I started seeing like constant bleedthroughs as well, too.

ELIAS: I would say that that is not necessarily a matter of changing aspects, but simply another expression of expanding awareness and how that can be affecting in many different capacities, physical and otherwise.

DAVID: Oh, okay. That’s good. My last question is kind of funny. Yeah. Me, Ben and Rudolph have been trying to have sessions with you guys, I mean with you, for a while now, and I’m sure you’re aware of the situation. The first time we didn’t have it I was like slightly upset, and then what we’d started to do is that at the end of when we realized that we weren’t going to have a session with you, we would stay on the phone and we would discuss with each other just our perceptions and how we were putting concepts into experience. We found that that was a beneficial approach for us, because it seemed that the questions we had for you, we could have just simply answered by ourselves just putting or heads together or simply just exploring reality, you know, by ourselves and noticing what we draw to us, where we’re placing our attention, and [inaudible]. But I wanted you to talk about how when individuals express and share their experiences and perceptions about putting concepts into experience, how does that offer us our own valid information? Because I really do think we were kind of having a session with you but kind of just with ourselves, if that makes sense.

ELIAS: Very much so. And I would say that you were, and I would also say that you likely will actually engage with myself soon, but that that was the point, was that it gave you the opportunity to interact with each other and to explore and to share and to give yourselves information. And in that, I would say that when we do engage, your questions will likely be very different.

DAVID: Oh. Great. Well, that’s everything I have to say. I kind of already forgot what you said about Rudolph’s stats. Was I right?


DAVID: Oh, okay. Awesome. Well. (Elias laughs) Thank you very much. Bye.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. (Laughs)

CORINA: Hello. I have a question about differences. Can you hear me?

ELIAS: Continue.

CORINA: All right. So, just to start off, can I ask if I am dispersed?


CORINA: All right. Thank you. And as for the question as to differences, how is it to approach, you know that personality-wise there are people who avoid confrontation and people who need to talk it out. So, between two people like that, what’s the way to go?

ELIAS: I understand that some people move in a direction of engaging conversation to play through different scenarios in concept and therefore, as they speak, they can move in directions that they understand what they are engaging more clearly. And some individuals are somewhat threatened by conversations, and they do feel as if it is a confrontation rather than a conversation.

And in that, it is a matter of both individuals coming together and allowing themselves to express themselves genuinely. The individual that is off put by confrontation, it is important to listen and allow them to express that they are threatened in that manner and then ask questions: What is less threatening? What is more comfortable in relation to sharing?

And it is also a matter of the other individual practicing listening. Because the other individual gives themself information and processes through talking, and when you are doing that, you are listening to yourself speak, and that helps you to process information, which is a very effective method of processing. But it is also important to learn how to listen, and in that, to recognize that the individual that gives themself information by talking, that there isn’t always a meeting of the minds; that when you are talking, when you are engaging with another individual, there isn’t always going to be a resolution. There isn’t always going to be a meeting of the minds. You aren’t always going to find a common ground with another individual.

And for the individual that is not necessarily accustomed to talking, sometimes you DO find a common ground by engaging with another individual, because the one individual that talks wants to find a common ground. The one individual that doesn’t talk thinks there is no common ground, and that creates the difficulty. Therefore, if the one that thinks there is no common ground can begin to experiment and realize that sometimes you CAN find some middle expression between yourself and another individual if you talk to them, because the other individual can’t read your mind. And therefore, the other individual requires information, and they can’t receive that information if you don’t give it to them.

But conversely, for the individual that does talk, it is important that that individual recognizes there isn’t always a resolution and there isn’t always a common ground, and that doesn’t mean that you can’t cooperate—you can. You don’t have to always have a common ground to express that cooperation. And in that, it is a matter of listening, being open and being creative, and not thinking in tunnel vision.

CORINA: All right. Okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

MODERATOR: This is the moderator. We’re actually really about at the end here.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall tremendously be anticipating our next meeting with all of you. And I express to you that I offer great encouragement to all of you. I understand and recognize that these are difficult times that you are engaging presently, but they are also tremendously shifting times. And in that, I express great supportiveness to all of you and tremendous, tremendous love to all of you.

We meet even if we don’t meet in physical proximity (chuckles), but I express that we likely SHALL meet in physical proximity soon.

To all of you in tremendous encouragement as always, au revoir.

GROUP: Au revoir, Elias.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 42 minutes.)

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