Session 202003281

Choosing to Be Disengaging in Relation to This Mass Event


Webinar 202003281
“Choosing to Be Disengaging in Relation to This Mass Event”
“Avoiding Extremes”
“Taking Action”
“It Isn’t About Protecting”
“All of You Can Do More”
“Moving from the Thinking State to the Intuitive State”

Saturday, March 28, 2020 (Group/Webinar)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Alice, Ann (Grace), Barb (Shouno), Brigitt (Camile), Carleen (Neliswa), Debbie (Tamarra), Diana, Elaine, Jean-Baptiste (Araili), Jeff (Galina), Jennifer (Margarite), Jennifer (Whitney), John (Rrussell), Julie (Fontine), Karen (Turell), Katrin (Duncan), Kevin (Douglas), Loretta, Lynda (Ruther), Lynda (Sydney), Marguerite (Metra), Marij (Kammi), Mark (Ogean), Natalie, Philip (Paetre), Robert, Robin (Aimon), Rodney (Zacharie), Sonja (Sabine), Valerie, Veronica (Amadis), and Wendy (Myiisha)

“I would express to all of you, those of you in that country, those of you in different countries, connect with each other. Yes, create a solidarity. Yes, share with each other. Yes, move in a direction of banding together in energy, definitely supporting each other. Reach out to each other.”

ELIAS: Good day! As usual of late, I will open the forum up to all of you. I know that many individuals have many questions presently and that it is a very confusing time for all of you. In that, I will allow all of you to engage your questions, and I will be pleased to answer all of them. You have the floor.

MARGUERITE: Hi Elias. So, I want today to share with you guys the experience of a few hours ago. We had the news – Jean-Baptiste was here at the moment with us – that our mom has died, and it’s because of the coronavirus. My mom was someone who has been sick for a good part of her life. She’s a Vold and always informing all the health, how we take care of each other. Her kids are very important, but sick people also for her. And she always wanted to be a martyr. She’s very Christian. And for me, she made the choice to go with the coronavirus. She understands the differences very… She’s the one who told me how to accept the differences, etc., and for me there is a sense, a strong deep sense in the fact she chose this, to go now. And I wanted to have also your impression or your [inaudible].

ELIAS: I extend my energy of comfort to you and those around you, and any of the individuals that may be experiencing this loss.

And what I would say to you is there are many individuals that are and will be choosing to disengage in relation to this virus. And in that, it isn’t the virus that they are making a statement about. It isn’t the so-called contagion, so to speak, that they are making a statement about in choosing to disengage, but rather precisely what you expressed: their solidarity in their expression of the acceptance of difference and moving in the direction of emphasizing that and encouraging all of you to be aware and to be expressing that acceptance, that compassion and engaging with each other in encouragement rather than discouragement, but definitely acknowledging each other.

And in this, let me also express to all of you, I understand the difficulty and the fear that is being expressed and the uncertainty with many individuals—most individuals—and in that, not knowing what to do. And what I would say to you is not to be extreme, to pay attention to yourselves and in that, attempt to avoid extremes as much as possible. If you are distancing yourselves from each other, remember that this is a physical distance, not a social distance. That don’t discourage yourselves or each other from interacting with each other, because it is important. It is important that you have the support of each other and community. And I would express that it is also important to share with each other.

Therefore, in that, yes, acknowledge the individuals that choose to be disengaging in relation to this mass event, and definitely be aware and honor their expression, and honor that they chose to be disengaging in relation to this mass event and in support of all of you. (Pause)

MODERATOR: If you have a question, feel free to jump in. Sorry, go ahead.

MARGUERITE: Another question would be because you said last time we had a session that it was important right now to take action, and sometimes I’m wondering what kind is this action. I feel that I’m not taking the right action. But I think by connecting with people, just sharing etc., is good, or should I create a circle of people who can work together, or be part of a circle of people? I’m still wondering what kind of action I could take.

ELIAS: Any of that. It is a matter of each of you individually assessing what you can do and what you are comfortable with. Some individuals are not comfortable with engaging with other people other than in a virtual capacity but not necessarily in a physical capacity. But even that is entirely acceptable. It is a matter of recognizing what you yourself are comfortable with, and then reminding yourself how important it is to be engaging action, whether that be assessing your own talent or what you enjoy doing, and how can you incorporate that talent in relation to your community, or perhaps opening a line of communication between yourself and other individuals that you can be sharing back and forth with each other, that you can talk to each other, that you can present your concerns or your fears or what you may be confused about, and express with each other whatever information that you have.

Now, in that, let me also express to you that when you open a communication between yourself and other people, don’t expect everyone to agree with you, and don’t expect everyone to be expressing in a manner of gratitude or friendship. Some individuals may be responsive in a manner that seems irritated or combative, in a manner of speaking, but people are expressing in that manner because they are shielding and they are afraid. And therefore, if you do encounter an individual that is expressing in that capacity, simply acknowledge them and express something in a soothing manner, but don’t discount them. Acknowledge what it is that they are expressing.

I would also say that you can express YOUR gratitude in relation to other individuals that may be extending themselves or offering different expressions of helpfulness. Extend your gratitude to all of those individuals that are actually being considered essential workers, because they are now in a position in which they are being expected to shoulder a load of work that is much greater than they would normally be engaging, because the workforce is being cut so thin. In that, yes, most of you may be continuing to work from home, but there are still many individuals that are actually physically going to work still. And it is important to acknowledge those people, that they may also be concerned or afraid or uncomfortable because they are required to interact with other individuals. And they have no more information than you do, and that creates fear.

And therefore, I would encourage all of you to remember that what you are learning in this experience is about difference, about interconnectedness and actually expressing that, not simply thinking about it. It is also about acknowledgement. It is about learning how to be self-structuring and self-directing.

Now; let me also express to you, my friends, in relation to that, let me express some very important points. Anyone that is or has been accustomed to working at a particular job and works in the structure of a particular job, especially anyone that works for forty or more hours per week at a particular job, you are all part of the workforce. You are, NONE of you, drones. And anyone that has the idea that the masses that make up the workforce in your world that these are mindless people that are simply drones is severely incorrect. You are all people that have dreams, have aspirations, that are intelligent, that are creative, and the factor that you are part of the mass population of the workforce is not bad and is definitely not less than anyone else. And this is the massive, massive majority of people in your world.

And this is what I was expressing in our group interaction in our last year, how important this is, because this is the part of the shift that IS creating trauma because people don’t know what to do. They don’t know how to structure themselves. How many of you have incorporated time in which you were in between jobs, in which you were laid off or you quit or you were fired from a job and you were in between jobs, and how uncomfortable that was because you had a surplus of time that you didn’t know what to do with?

I cannot express to all of you how many people engage conversations with myself and one of the concerns that so many people have is they don’t know what they like to do. They don’t know what their passion is. They don’t know what they would do for fun if they had a tremendous amount of time. They know what to do on weekends, they know what to do on vacations, but all of that is part of the structure that has been structured for you. And people learn to be structured from infancy. You are structured by your parents, then you are structured by schools, and then you are structured by jobs, and some of you are structured by your own partners. But not many of you genuinely know how and are comfortable with structuring yourselves.

Now, what is tremendously fortunate for all of you that are listening to myself, and all of the people that connect with this information, that connect with myself, that engage conversations with myself, that read the information or listen to the information, you have an advantage because you have been learning how to be self-directing, and that is tremendous. Therefore, that creates a situation in which many of you will avoid considerable trauma. I am not saying that all of you will, because even if you aren’t directly experiencing trauma because of your own fear or your own confusion, you may be expressing trauma precisely in relation to the first question, that you may be losing people that you love, people that you care about, and that can be traumatic also.

Therefore, there are many, many different aspects of this mass event that can be generating considerable trauma. The encouraging piece for all of you is that you ARE learning how to be self-directing, and that creates a very different experience for all of you.

In that, it still doesn’t tell you how to be self-structuring, but you are learning. And in this situation, you will learn fast because it will be necessary. And in that, what does that mean, being self-structuring? It doesn’t only mean filling time—it doesn’t mean filling time at all. It means thinking for yourselves, not looking to authorities, not looking to other people for what to do or what is safe or how to engage, but using your intuition, using your talents, paying attention to yourself and DOING. It isn’t necessarily about discipline; it is about being comfortable with doing what you do throughout your day and being productive, both. Which can be challenging.

Even this question is an example of what I am expressing to you all now, the question of my last interaction with all of you and expressing to all of you to be active and therefore presenting the question: what does that mean, to be active? What does that mean, to be doing? Doing what? That is precisely the point. Those are the questions.

And in that, your authorities aren’t giving you answers any longer. They aren’t giving you USEFUL information—they are giving you information, but not useful information. They aren’t telling you what to do. And contrary to what you might think automatically, that “yes, they are telling us what to do. They are telling us to stay away from each other. They are telling us to close our businesses,” what they are doing is expressing instructions to control. The most excellent and easiest manner to control masses of individuals, which is the situation, is to express fear and isolation. How do you isolate? You tell people to close businesses. You tell them to stay away from each other. You express to them “social distancing,” not physical distancing, which implies, “Don’t interact with each other.” Because the more the more you don’t interact with each other, the more you don’t talk to each other and you don’t share with each other and you don’t share ideas with each other. Which is precisely what is desired, for you to not have ideas. But you DO. You are intelligent, creative beings. If you allow yourself, you DO have ideas. You have many ideas—implement them. Be you. Be creative. Share.

What does it appear, simply as an example, that individuals are requiring, to feel safe physically? Not that it actually is creating an actual barrier, but it doesn’t matter, because what is important is that people FEEL safe. Because if they feel safe, they will make themselves safe.

Now, in that, what makes people feel safe presently? Not touching things. Wearing masks. Wearing gloves. And how easy is it for you to obtain these physical manifestations now? Not easy. But there are those of you who might be creative and make them and give them to your community. This is simply a suggestion. It is simply an example. It might be that you incorporate some action that you genuinely like to do. Perhaps you like to cook. And perhaps you have enough that you could cook and you could give some of what you cook to other individuals that don’t have enough.

Use your imagination. It doesn’t have to be something entirely useful, such as food or gloves or masks. It could be a book. It could be a game. It could be anything. It doesn’t matter. It is a matter of sharing.

And in that, you can share ideas also! Be creative. Think about the people around you and what they are afraid of. Be creative and make suggestions. The more you move in directions of sharing and making suggestions, what you are doing is you are encouraging each other to be self-directing. You are learning how to do it by doing it with each other: learning how to rely on yourself, learning how to engage your community in a creative manner that is YOUR choice, what YOU want to do.

I am not encouraging rebellion. That defeats the point. What I am encouraging is that you use your thought mechanism in a manner that is productive and a benefit to you and anyone around you. That you use your intuition, that you use your talents and your creativity to express you and to connect with each other. And you can. You don’t have to be isolated, and you don’t have to look to outside sources to tell you what to do and when to do it. But it is unfamiliar, and it isn’t easy to begin to do it. And this is the reason that community is important, that you can support each other and you can encourage each other.

Therefore, how can you be active? What can you do? Anything that inspires you and can possibly inspire anyone else. And if nothing else, LISTEN. Listen to other people and acknowledge them in how distant they feel, how alone they feel, how afraid they feel, how confused they feel, how unsafe they feel. That is what you can do.

MODERATOR: Hi. This is the moderator. I have two very related questions on behalf of two people in the audience, one from Carleen—Neliswa, essence name—and then Mark, Ogean. This question starts, "How is the disengagement you’ve been talking about of those in support of us?" And the related question to that is, "Would those that are disengaging be assisting us in our movement towards subjective bleedthroughs?"

ELIAS: To subjective bleedthroughs? No, not necessarily. What I would say is, how are individuals that choose to be disengaging being helpful? They are creating an energy that is directed at all of you—all of you that are choosing to continue in physical focus and in all of these trials in all of these movements in learning how to be shifting. (Chuckles) They are expressing an energy that is spreading throughout your physical reality, throughout your planet. And in that, they are expressing an energy of encouragement, support and emphasis on the individual.

And with each one that disengages, what is it encouraging you to do? It is encouraging you to think about and look at how important that person was, how important their life was, regardless of what they did but because of who they were. And that is the energy that they are giving back and that they are expressing to all of you: the emphasis on the individual. That is the point of this shift in consciousness, the individual being of ultimate importance and value, and in that, the tremendous importance of being self-directing and self-structuring.

Now, let me also say to you, that doesn’t mean that when you complete this mass event—whenever that may be, and don’t ask me when it will end because that is entirely your choice en masse, and you are far too unpredictable presently to be predicting any type of idea of what you will do futurely or what you won’t do futurely – but in this present now, what I would say to you is that when you complete this mass event, when you finish, when you are done with it, this doesn’t mean that no one should return to their job. Not at all. This doesn’t mean that “I can’t be working at a job because that won’t be self-directing or self-structuring.” That is entirely incorrect.

But it does mean that when you return to your jobs, that perhaps you will have a different perspective about them. Perhaps you may allow yourselves to be more creative with them. Perhaps you will be more inclined to be more self-structuring within that structure rather than only being on automatic pilot. When you return to your jobs, perhaps you will look at them from a different angle, have slightly different perception in how you can contribute to your job in a more creative manner, or how you can be engaging at your job in a more connected manner—therefore, appreciating your job from a very different angle and not necessarily only looking at it as a source of income. And if you do only look at a job as a source of income, perhaps your perception will change in the capacity that you might stop engaging that job and incorporate a different job that you actually enjoy and that you can actually contribute to, because that is the point.

I would say that this mass event is not an apocalypse. You haven’t changed your choice in that direction, and it is obvious that this is not an apocalypse. And despite the people that are becoming human calculators in relation to counting deaths, what I would say in relation to that is regardless of the mounting numbers of deaths, you are simply paying attention to them because you are involved in a mass event. I would ask you, did you pay attention to how many individuals disengaged last year in relation to all of the viruses that were expressed last year? No, you did not. And do any of you know how many people disengaged last year in relation to illnesses, in relation to viruses? Not dis-eases, but viruses. No. You don’t know. Of course you don’t know, because you weren’t paying attention. Actually, there were more than the present tally now, but the reason you are paying attention now is because this is a mass event and because those individuals that are choosing to disengage are choosing to disengage together, meaning they are making a statement. They are generating a specific energy, and that is why you are paying attention to them, even though the numbers are not as tremendous as they have been pastly.

And I would say that there have been many different viruses that have claimed more lives, in those terms, but they weren’t a part of this type of mass event and they weren’t necessarily a part of this shift. And this IS a part of this shift, and that is the reason that you are paying attention, and that is the reason that you are being so affected.

In that, I would say that there are similarities to that of your mass event with your AIDS virus. The difference in this is that this isn’t about the virus. This isn’t about an illness. That is simply the imagery. That is simply the method that you are using to place yourselves in a situation in which you have to be looking to yourselves. You have to be, to a degree, self-directing. You have to learn how to be self-structuring. THAT is the difference.

Therefore, in that, yes, my friends, there is trauma all over your world in relation to this mass event, because everyone is participating. Although I would express that you may incorporate somewhat of an example from two places in your world that are not quite participating to the tremendous degree that the rest of the world is, and that would be in some very small eastern countries. I know! The shock of it all! China began all of this, but there are countries in the east that aren’t actually participating much, but it is actually correct. I would say that the little countries of Laos and Cambodia and Vietnam are not actually participating much – to a slight degree, but actually considerably slight. And one of the reasons is because they DO know how to be self-structuring, because they very much incorporate life in very close communities. Therefore, whatever they do for their jobs, they do in the capacity of doing it as family, not as jobs. And in that, they don’t incorporate the same type of work structure that most of the rest of you do.

Another area in your world that isn’t being affected as much or isn’t participating as much are certain areas in South America, for the same reason, that they engage with each other in close communities – not in the large cities but in the rest of the areas, which is a considerable amount of people and a considerable area. And in that, the people are very similar in that they ARE structuring themselves for the most part. They aren’t looking to authorities to express to them what to do.

And let me express to you, in similar manner to yourselves but somewhat opposite, they learn from infancy. They aren’t being directed as toddlers. I would say that many of you that occupy what you term to be first-world countries would be horrified at how some of these communities incorporate toddlers and small children and that they aren’t being constantly watched. (Chuckles) And they definitely aren’t necessarily being told what to do. And in that, they don’t feel unsafe because they AREN’T unsafe.

And I understand. I am not expressing any judgment in relation to other cultures—most of your cultures—that move in very different directions. That is the point: differences. And in that, this is the point of this particular mass event, to emphasize differences. They aren’t bad; they are simply different. One isn’t better than another. Is it better to be children in Laos? No. Is it better to be children in Paris? No—they are simply different.

And in that, is it better that the people in these countries are not necessarily experiencing this virus in the same manner as you? No, it isn’t necessarily better. They have other lessons to learn. No one is exempt from this shift. And what I expressed from the onset of this mass event was that the main element of it is difference. And all of those people may not be addressing to a virus, but they are addressing to difference. Therefore, they are experiencing that, and they are participating. Your entire world is participating in this mass event—all of you. No one is exempt from it.

KATRIN: It’s Katrin. May I ask for one suggestion? I am surrounded by teenagers and these young adults. They seem to be confused also, of course, because they lost their structures, staying in universities, not coming home or don’t know what to do because the parents try to entertain them. So, how do THEY deal with it when we just leave them a bit more alone and not suggesting what to do?

ELIAS: I am not expressing not to suggest different avenues of what people can do, or children or adolescents or young adults. And in that, it can be very helpful to be offering suggestions. They may not accept them, they may not be responsive to them, but you can definitely offer suggestions.

In this, this is the piece that I was expressing previously in relation to difference. (Sighs) This is what can be so difficult and frustrating for many individuals, is that you are watching other people do actions that you don’t necessarily agree with. You are watching other people panic, or you are watching other people not panic and be sedentary. Or you are watching young people reveling in the factor that they don’t have to attend school and they can play video games all day and you don’t agree with that, or you are watching other individuals do repetitive actions that seem pointless. They may be washing their floor fifteen times. It doesn’t matter. The point is that acceptance. The point is that acknowledgment, recognizing the interconnectedness of all of you. Yes, you can make suggestions, but don’t be frustrated or irritated or judgmental if they are ignored.

And in that, connect by listening. Ask questions. And periodically express, “Can I do anything to help you?” And you may receive a no answer ten times, and then the eleventh time you may receive a yes. It is a matter of tolerance. It is a matter of acceptance. It is a matter of patience. And it is a matter of honoring: honoring differences, honoring yourselves, honoring each other in whatever you all are doing and remembering that you are all interconnected. Therefore, whatever one is experiencing, you all are experiencing.

If you are engaging with younglings, listen to them and perhaps even attempt to involve yourself. Ask questions. If they are absorbed in video games, ask questions. What is the video game about? Can you do it with them? Can you share it? Can they explain it to you? Can they share something with you? They don’t share with you because they assume you aren’t interested, and their assumption is likely correct because you likely AREN’T interested. But they are interested, and you love them. Therefore, you don’t have to be tremendously interested in whatever is important to them, but if you think about it, when you love someone, what is important to them you actually, to a degree, express pleasure in acknowledging them in it.

One individual may be, in your opinion, fanatical about exercising at the gym. You may not EVER visit a gym. And in that, you love that individual, therefore you likely will ask them questions: How was it at the gym? What did you do? It doesn’t matter that you don’t find those expressions important; you find the person important. Therefore, if these young people are important to you, then engage them. If they aren’t important to you, if they are strangers and you are simply making an observation, check yourself with your observation and is there a judgment attached to it.

VERONICA: Hello, Elias. This is Veronica. I’m so glad you are here. Taking this one step further, you know we have elections coming up, and would it make a difference, would it help the country, the community, if we endorsed one candidate over another? I’m excluding Mr. Trump. (Elias laughs) I think he has shown us lessons and rules on how the government isn’t working, so he has shown us much. But between the other two candidates, I’m wondering if it is in our best interest to choose one over the other? Would one be more democratic than the other? Would we benefit from one candidate over the other?

ELIAS: I would say would it be in your interest to express a solidarity with one candidate if you want to incorporate a new president? Then I would say yes, that it would be to your benefit to express a solidarity. I know precisely what you are asking, though, and asking myself one candidate or another and which would be—

VERONICA: Oh no. It’s not delivering. I wasn’t able to hear what… I heard, but I couldn’t understand one word. Isn’t this interesting? (Elias laughs)

MODERATOR: This is the moderator. Veronica, I am going to put you on mute. Oh, there we go. That’ll help.

ELIAS: (Laughs) What I would say is I individually would not move in a direction of endorsing any particular individual that is a candidate in your elections. That is for all of you to do. Those are YOUR choices to make, in relation to who—

[Technical difficulties occur and are resolved]

MODERATOR: Veronica, I think we’ve got your question. I’m going to put you on mute, Veronica, just so that there’s no noise in the background. It looks like you’re already on mute, so… Okay. We can go ahead.



VERONICA: I didn’t get your response. (Laughs) It’s interesting that it crashed right after that. So, I’ll ask the question again, if we would benefit from one candidate over the other?

ELIAS: And what I would say to you is that is for you to decide. It is a matter of what is important to you and what you collectively choose.

MARGUERITE: Can I ask a question about these elections? Do they have a… will they have an effect on all the politics around the world, as we are more and more connected?

ELIAS: Yes. It always does, but I would say that this is somewhat of a pivotal time framework and therefore, yes, it definitely will be affecting around the world.

MARGUERITE: So how can we…? Our interactions with people in the U.S. can help by doing this choice together?

ELIAS: Yes, and expressing that solidarity of energy with each other—definitely.

MARGUERITE: We are very scared for them because they became the center of this epidemic, and I’m wondering how people can do better to protect themselves or to be more self-directing, as I have the impression their government are more lying or less giving them information on it.

ELIAS: I would agree. They ARE (chuckles) giving them less and less information, and they are, in a manner of speaking, equally as afraid as the public. And that is the reason that they are moving in the directions of perpetuating the fear and isolation, in order to attempt to establish some semblance of control, which is not being very successful. But that is the direction that they continue to move in. In this, what I would say to you is I would reiterate what I expressed previously about the importance of interacting and the importance of sharing.

In that, I will also reiterate what I have expressed recently with some individuals that you may be privy to, is that at this point, in your common terminology and vernacular, everything that is being done presently is a day late and a dollar short. It is closing the barn door after the horse is gone. In that, all of this isolation, all of these expressions of closing down most of the economy and generating all of this encouragement to be not interactive is all based in fear and control.

Therefore, I would express to ALL of you, those of you in that country, those of you in different countries: Connect with each other. Yes, create a solidarity. Yes, share with each other. Yes, move in a direction of banding together in energy, definitely supporting each other. Reach out to each other. In this, if you are in other countries, reach out to people that you know in that country and show your support and your solidarity in encouragement and in supporting their expression of self-directedness.

Use your own minds, my friends. Think for yourselves. Not to generate revolution—that isn’t necessary—but to be who you are and to express genuinely. And how can the people in that country be more protecting themselves? That is precisely the point, my friends, is that you are moving to such tremendous extremes to be protecting that you are playing into the fear and the control. It isn’t about protecting. (Chuckles) The virus is out of the bag, in a manner of speaking. It already is. It already exists. It has already been expressed. The exposure has already happened. Therefore, isolating now is somewhat pointless.

I would express in this manner: I acknowledge every individual that is confused and afraid. And I would encourage every individual that is confused and afraid to engage whatever actions allow them to feel safe, because I would much more encourage following the feeling of being safe, or feeling safe, than to encourage following the feeling of fear. And in this present time framework, it genuinely comes down to that, my friends, that it isn’t about not following a feeling, which I have been expressing for quite some time. But en masse you are overwhelmed with precisely that action of following the feelings. Therefore, acknowledging that, I would express to each individual to do whatever it is that allows them to feel safe. If that means washing their hands fifty times every day, then wash your hands fifty times every day. If that means interacting with your friends and family through your devices, then do that. If that means wearing gloves and masks, then do that.

The one piece that I would express to most individuals: If you are not ill or if you are creating some type of illness that is not this virus, if you are expressing symptoms that are not consistent with this particular virus, what I would say to you in relation to what can you do to protect yourself, don’t visit physicians or hospitals, because that is an invitation to activate the virus.

MARIJ: Elias?


MARIJ: I’m sorry. I’m interrupting you. This is Kammi.

ELIAS: No. Continue.

MARIJ: I’m listening to you and I understand what you’re saying, but also I’m from The Netherlands, and at some points I have the feeling that you’ve addressed not the situation that I’m feeling around me in my country or the countries closer by, because exactly the type of things that you are promoting like connecting—okay, maybe not all the time physically, but people are far more connecting by whatever other means they have. They are helping one another. They are doing the shopping for older people, whatever can be done. And I’m also wondering why am I doing what I do in my work. So, yeah, I missed a little bit, like the acknowledgment that in many, many, many, many, many places, a lot of the people ARE in a mode of doing and behaving differently and connecting with one another and helping other people.

ELIAS: I agree. I agree, although I would say that that doesn’t mean that you aren’t judging. You may be expressing in that manner with each other, but how much are you doing that in relation to people in other countries? That is the point: difference. And in that, what I am saying is I definitely acknowledge everything that all of you are doing and in expressing that camaraderie and that helpfulness and extending yourselves. And that is tremendous, and I tremendously, tremendously acknowledge all of that.

And you can do more. You can ALL do more. And you can ALL check yourselves and genuinely discover any of the expressions of judgments that you may have in relation to ANYONE: other governments, other countries, your own governments, other people. I understand that yes, many, many, many of you in ALL of your countries are definitely attempting to be helpful and encouraging to each other in your own communities, and that is tremendous, and that is wondrous. And you can do more.

MARIJ: I agree. And thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

ROBIN: Hello, Elias. Can you hear me?


ROBIN: Okay. My question is unrelated to the coronavirus, but I would like to do Elias sessions, and I’m wondering what’s stopping me. Like am I moving in that direction?

ELIAS: Repeat the question.

ROBIN: I would like to do Elias sessions, and I’m wondering what’s stopping me. Like am I moving in that direction?

ELIAS: Ah. One moment. (Pause) Are you moving in that direction? Yes. What has been an obstacle? I would say not entirely trusting yourself, thinking that you are when many times you actually aren’t, and doubting yourself. And also, another factor, I would say not quite valuing yourself as much, thinking that you are – or not necessarily thinking, but generating an association that you are not quite as important as other people, therefore perhaps not quite as deserving as other people. And yes, you are. And from this point, I would say that it is very likely, now that you know that, that you will change that. And perhaps we shall be engaging an interaction sometime soon. (Chuckles)

ROBIN: Oh, cool! (Elias laughs)

MARGUERITE: Okay, I have another question.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARGUERITE: Thank you. It’s about… I like to play with my animal, my totem animal, to help discovering my consciousness, my work. And I have my dead animal who I use to help people going to the dead, but sometimes I have the feeling that he’s just something I have the impression of and he's just playing with myself more than effective.

ELIAS: Aha! I heartily disagree. And I would say to YOU, and to anyone that expressed a creative invention such as this, that that configuration of energy is very real. Therefore, whether it is a totem animal, whether it is an imaginary friend, whether it is some configuration of energy that you ascribe to another dimension, a fairy or a mermaid, it doesn’t matter what it is. You configure that energy yourself in a manner that becomes very real and is definitely very interactive and is effective, because you have imbued it with that energy, with that power, and from that, it takes on its own energy and its own power. Therefore, I would say to you, don’t doubt what you have created, and it IS real and it is effective. Congratulations. (Laughs)

MARGUERITE: Thank you.

MODERATOR: Hi, this is the moderator. I have a question on behalf of Robert. He asks, "Can a virus go from one person to another person at all, since everyone creates their own reality?"

ELIAS: Yes, it can, because yes, you do all create your reality, but (chuckles) you all are interconnected, AND this is a mass event. That means that you are all participating in it. And in that participation, many, many, many, many, many of you move in a direction of agreeing to engage a virus in a particular manner.

Now; does that mean that the virus itself is infecting each individual? No. What it means is that each individual that is contracting it or that is transmitting it and participating in the expression of contagion – which you are, en masse – each individual that is participating in that activates that virus and allows it to generate an infection. Therefore, yes, every single one of you is creating your reality, but you are all also interconnected and you are all also participating in this mass event in some capacity. Therefore, that is also the reason that there are many, many, many, many, many of you that aren’t actually engaging the virus. Is that because you have effectively protected yourself? Not necessarily. Actually, most likely not, but more so because you are participating in different aspects of this mass event and not necessarily activating the virus itself. Some people are activating the virus; some people are not. Many individuals ARE; many are not.

All of you are participating in the mass event, but is the virus passed from one person to another? Is the contagion, so to speak, passed from one person to another? Yes, because that is how you have designed it. But as I expressed, an individual can pass the virus to another individual, and that individual might not activate it and therefore may not actually generate any symptoms at all. It is dependent on each one of you what you do. In a manner of speaking, very metaphorically, you could express that you are globally playing ball with each other, and one person throws the ball and another person catches it. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the person that catches the ball keeps it. They might not.

In this, I would say to you, my friend, that any type of expression or organism, let us say, that you activate as a contagion, you are agreeing en masse to be expressing that as a contagion, and therefore, yes, transmitting it from one individual to another. This is the method that you have engaged in relation to most viruses. You do it even with bacterial infections or any type of organism that can be affecting of you in relation to your physical body consciousness. You do it with colds.

Therefore, in that, the simple answer is yes, you can contract and transmit one to another. And that isn’t creating your reality any less, and it isn’t co-creating your reality either, because every individual has the choice of whether to activate that or not.

MODERATOR: This is the moderator again. We have, a quick time check, we have about by my rough count about fifteen minutes left. And I do have a question on behalf of Julie, Fontine. And she writes, “Elias, what are the expressions of shifting to the female? And could you say more about what it’s like to use the intuitive in the same amount as one now uses the intellect?”

ELIAS: That is a very big subject, my friend. (Laughs) And I will likely devote an entire conversation to that subject and likely soon, but I would say that this definitely is on the horizon of a subject that is very important, that we have not actually engaged much conversation at all about this aspect of this shift – and this is a very big aspect of this shift – that you are shifting from the male-dominated intellectual energy to the female-dominated intuitive energy, which it isn’t only a matter of shifting the energy. It is also a matter of shifting the expression. You have been expressing that male intellect from almost the dawn of your species—not quite, but almost. And in that, you have quite an amount of time that is behind that expression, and it is very automatic at this point.

I would say that there are very few people in your world at large that don’t use their thinking most of the time. I would say that there are some that have learned how to engage thinking at will, meaning that they have learned how to manipulate thinking in a manner in which they can choose when they think and when they don’t, but that for most people is a tremendous discipline. And those that do practice that action have engaged it precisely in that manner, as a discipline, and have been engaging it almost from infancy. And those would be individuals that have learned from very, very, very young ages to be engaging the action of meditation for considerable time frameworks within each day, every day. But that still has not incorporated the action of moving to the female-dominated energy and implementing that in action in relation to the intuitive, because the action of meditation to some degree still does have an aspect of that male-dominated energy.

In this, the intuitive is not necessarily feeling. It definitely isn’t thinking, but it isn’t necessarily feeling, either. It is sensing. It is knowing. And those are words that you don’t quite understand yet. You might understand them to a degree, in an experience here or an experience there, and that you understand the concept of knowing. You understand the concept of sensing and that perhaps you actually engage those actions and those experiences occasionally, but you don’t do it on a daily basis every hour of every day. You do think every hour of every day, other than time spent in meditation. You even think in your sleep.

Therefore, I would say that yes, this is a considerable subject and will require more time than I am allotted in this present time framework to discuss it. But I would say that it is significant for any or all of you to be practicing as much as possible shifting your attention away from thinking. NOT to feeling: I will express over and over again, don’t follow feelings; that is definitely not the point. But to be shifting your attention from thinking – and it doesn’t mean that thinking is wrong or bad – but to be shifting your attention in the capacity of attempting to focus your attention on that intuition and your intuitive state, in a manner of speaking. Because in actuality, what you engage now is a thinking state. It is automatic and very easy, and you rely on it.

In this, it is a matter of beginning to rely on the intuition in equal capacity, at least in the beginning, eventually to be relying on it more than your thinking. Because intuition actually is an avenue of communication, and thinking is not—it is a translating mechanism. Therefore, what you are doing is you are moving from a translator, an in-between, to a direct source. Which is also considerably symbolic, because that also is very connected with what this mass event is: relying on yourself rather than outside sources and not having an in-between, YOU being the director. Relying more on your intuition is moving in a direction of expressing direct information, not having an in-between, not having a translator, but directly engaging the source of information and in that also, relying on yourself, trusting yourself and recognizing that you CAN express faith because you have that direct communication through intuition.

But in that, I would again encourage all of you to, at the very least, when you remember and when you aren’t distracted, to practice moving your attention to your intuition rather than your thinking and become more familiar with your intuition.

MODERATOR: I think we have time for one last quick question.

JENNIFER M: Can you hear me? May I ask a question? Hello?


JENNIFER M: Elias, can you hear me?


JENNIFER M: Okay, it’s Jennifer. One of the things I noticed at the beginning of this was I was one of the people having a lot of irritation at the beginning because I think I felt immediately the overreaction, the dishonesty, and so that was kind of where I spent a lot of the first few days. And then I realized, this is where I am contributing to the opposition to the virus, and so as I’ve been playing around with the last several days, just looking at how can I be a support, one of the things I realized is that I can honor this fear in people around me who are terrified and are expressing a minimum safe distance and just kind of trying as much as I can to keep a calm energy about myself. I feel zero fear for myself around this, like none, but I’m aware that everybody around me is experiencing that, so sort of trying to be aware of what I’m feeling. And also that is the second question, which is for those of us who are very sensitive to the energy around us, is there a way that we can sort of help detach from the emotions that I’m feeling around me from everyone so that I can be that little sapling, like it’s okay, we’re going to get through this, it’ll be all right, you know, without kind of being inundated with some of that energy?

ELIAS: Pay attention to you. And in that, understand: feelings are signals. And the feelings of everyone around you are their signals to themselves—they aren’t yours. In this, it isn’t necessarily that you are taking on other people’s feelings or their expression in that energy of those feelings, but that you are responding with your own. And if you can simply remind yourself that what you are feeling is in response to what other people are feeling and expressing, and therefore, in that, you can express to yourself an acknowledgement, the same as you are acknowledging them. You have compassion for them and you acknowledge them and honor them, which I am tremendously, tremendously acknowledging you in, but in that also, acknowledge yourself and express that yes, you are expressing compassion for all of these people, but you can recognize what your own statement is, rather than only paying attention to the feeling. Remember: feelings are signals. Therefore, pay attention to your own statements, and acknowledge those signals, those feelings, as much as you are with everyone else.

JENNIFER M: [inaudible] what I am? I just realized as you spoke I’m not even sure what my own feelings are. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: And THAT I would say is a very genuine statement. And I would say that this is actually more common than most people would actually think of, in that they ARE responding, they ARE feeling, but they aren’t necessarily defining what their own feelings are, because the energy en masse is so tremendous that you automatically are paying attention to everything outside of you and what everyone else is feeling, and then you assume that you are feeling something similar when you might not be. It is a matter of acknowledging your own signal, defining that, and in that, recognizing that all that is necessary is for you to acknowledge that.

JENNIFER M: I don’t have to clean it or do something or get rid of it, just oh, okay, I guess I’ve got it too. (Both chuckle)

ELIAS: And you don’t have to do anything with it. (Chuckles)

JENNIFER M: (Laughs) Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend. (Chuckles)

I shall express to all of you, wherever you are, whatever you are doing, a tremendous, tremendous acknowledgment and congratulations in everything you are doing and everyone you are connecting with. And in that, I acknowledge all of your efforts, that you are generating a significant contribution and it does make a difference. And I will also reiterate: And you can do more. (Chuckles)

In wondrous love to all of you, each and every one of you, and in tremendous support as always and great encouragement, until our next meeting, au revoir.

GROUP: Au revoir, Elias. Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 42 minutes.)

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