Monday, February 10, 2020 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean (Lyla)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

JEAN: Hi! Hello, Elias!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And how are you proceeding, my friend?

JEAN: I am proceeding okay. Just trying to stay in the present moment. I’m taking your advice from my last session and “doing” instead of just thinking about things.

ELIAS: Excellent.

JEAN: And one of the things that I’ve wanted to do for a long time is to take the compilation of your material on creatures, and sessions that I’ve had, and I’ve wanted to make a book out of it.

ELIAS: Ah!

JEAN: Ah! And Val has joined me in the quest, and Mary said go for it. So, yeah, I just want to write this book. And I figured it is a way to connect with other people who are always wondering about animals and what they are and what happens when they disengage. And it’s a way to relate MY experiences in my life and taking my past experiences –

ELIAS: Excellent! And I would say that is likely to be considerably healing.

JEAN: Yes. Yes. Yes.

It’s interesting: A psychic told me about 25 years ago when I was just kind of reaching the pinnacle of my position as a veterinarian with a famous horse place, and he says, “You’re going to be writing a book one day about animals, including dogs and cats.” And I was offended because I was, like, “Umph! Of course not! Here I am at the pinnacle of equine vet-hood. How dare you tell me something like that!” And, well, here we are. (Elias laughs) Here we are.

I have one interesting thing to start with. Mary just said that she changed Belle’s name to Sadie, and now she responds! And what is behind that? Could that be that she is tapping into another configuration of an animal when she had the name of Sadie?

ELIAS: No. I would say that - although that is also another configuration – but I would say that in this configuration, that is the name that she associates with herself. Therefore, addressing her by the other name isn’t that she didn’t know that it was her name, but that she wasn’t necessarily responsive to it because it isn’t how she perceives herself. And in that, it would be similar to someone continuously addressing to you as Kathy.

JEAN: Wow.

ELIAS: And in that, if the person consistently addressed to you as Kathy and never addressed to you as any other name, eventually you would be responsive to that, knowing that that is what the individual is doing, that they are addressing to you. But you know your name to be Jean, and therefore even if you were accustomed to that person addressing to you as Kathy it would require a second for you to remember that they are addressing to you.

JEAN: Interesting. Interesting.

ELIAS: I would say this is a very similar situation. It doesn’t occur frequently, and I would say that likely the reason that that occurred with this particular canine is because she does have neurological difficulties and challenges and because her physical brain functions differently. That likely tapped into a different expression with her in this particular manifestation in which she perceives herself to be that name.

Otherwise, I would say that most animals wouldn’t do that. But then I would also say that this occurs with humans also at times, but it is somewhat rare that the human infant communicates in some manner what its name is and chooses its own essence name as a focus name. That is also a rare event; it doesn’t occur very often. But it does occur, and therefore it does occur with animals also. Rarely, but it does happen, in which THEY are choosing their name.

JEAN: Fascinating, Elias.

Now, I would like to give you the complete dream Val had about her dog Bonnie. You and I have talked about a fragment of it previously, but we wanted to run the complete dream by you, and so here it goes. Val writes this:

“After Bonnie disengaged, I had the impulse to continue speaking to her as if she were still present physically. In the dream I was making the bed and talking to her. I heard a noise and looked behind me, and she was walking through the wall into the bedroom. This was quite real, and I looked down at her and asked if she was okay, and she replied very confidently, “Yes, I am just fine!”

“I then reached for my iPhone because I wanted to take a picture of her, thinking that Jean will not believe me when I tell her that Bonnie has returned! It was just so real! But the two photos that I took did not show Bonnie in them. I looked up, and there were two lovely golden retrievers walking into the bedroom with a girl who looked like someone that I had attended college with many years ago. Bonnie greeted them warmly, and we decided to take them to a neighbor’s house to visit with their dogs, and for some reason I decided to take a basket with me on the walk. Once there, I asked the girl if she could take a photo of Bonnie on her phone. She took two photos, and in the first one Bonnie was not visible, yet in the second one Bonnie’s body was visible but her head was missing.

“When we were ready to return home, I picked Bonnie up and placed her in the basket. As we walked home, she gradually began to disappear bit by bit. And when we reached my apartment, the only part of her that was left was a paw. I sensed (in the dream) that she was telling me that part of her was still present with me in the physical.

“As a side note, when creatures are cremated, often the vet clinic gives the owner a paw print in plaster, along with the ashes, such as was the case here.

“The dream has been so comforting in the process of negotiating her disengagement.”

And you have previously told her in another session that this dog has decided in energy to stay around her and that the two golden retrievers were dogs of hers in another focus, correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: And then what’s with the dog disappearing or not showing up on camera, or her body being in the photo but not her head?

ELIAS: I would say that that is understandable, that in that she is imaging the dog partially present but not entirely. And it is understandable that the part of the dog that isn’t present in physical would be the head, because that is the part of that body that you automatically associate with in relation to your identity; therefore, that is very understandable. I would say it is understandable that at times there would be an image and at times there wouldn’t be an image, or there is a partial image, because it is that imagery of not being entirely in one area of consciousness or the other – not solely being gone and not solely being present, not physically being present in your reality in longer but not being gone either. Therefore, that is very understandable that that imagery would be in that.

The imagery about not knowing why she picked up the basket but then using the basket later is also a telling piece, because that is a piece about intuition and trusting that, even if it doesn’t seem to make sense in the moment, but that there is a reason and that your intuition is communicating with you and telling you something; and in that, following it and then later understanding that there was a purpose for that. Which is in many situations how you communicate to yourself with your intuition, that it may not necessarily immediately make sense to you, or you may not immediately understand what you are telling yourself, but eventually you do and it makes sense and you understand.

I would say that in relation to the other dogs, as I expressed, this is a comforting element. This is not that they are other configurations of THIS dog – they weren’t – but that they were other dogs that she has had that were also very close companions. And therefore, in a manner of speaking, what she was doing was presenting to herself that she was being joined by several energies that she has been very close to and very bonded with at different times.

JEAN: Thank you. And then Val wants to know that if the girl with the dogs was another focus of her?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: Was it actually the colleague from school?

ELIAS: No. The girl is representative of another focus of her.

JEAN: Of Val?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: And then she wants to know how many focuses has she shared with Bonnie in various capacities? This is just a fun question.

ELIAS: One moment (pause)… 26.

JEAN: All right.

Elias, you and I had a session on August 21 of 2018 about creatures, and it was just fabulous. And I’d like to use that as a template to ask a few more questions with this.

So, when I’m trying to explain to other people that animals are a manifestation of your projected energy – well, everything’s a manifestation of our projected energy, correct?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

JEAN: That’s just so hard to explain to people. I think it’s just something they are going to have to work with.

In the session we discussed what “the hole” actually is that you feel when an animal disengages, but I think what I really want to explore is when that void occurs when you lose them. I will quote here: “Therefore, this is what incorporates a significant amount of time, is that when you perceive that you have lost a part of yourself, your energy, it requires time for you to move through the discomfort and the pain and the sorrow objectively of the loss and then move into the realization and OBJECTIVE understanding that that isn’t actually lost.”

ELIAS: Correct.

JEAN: So, I mean, do we….

ELIAS: Remember what I expressed about the loss of a limb, that for a significant time framework the individual will actually experience phantom sensations – either pain or discomfort or itching, or even a pleasant sensation – but they will continue to experience sensations in relation to that limb or that appendage that was lost, even though physically it isn’t present any longer. And what they experience is very real, because they are experiencing the energy of that appendage even though it is no longer physically present. The energy is still present.

Now, in that, when you lose an animal that is a companion to you, you likely will experience something similar. You experience that pull, so to speak, that loss of a part of you. But then you also sense it around you. You also feel it around you.

JEAN: And then generally when an animal disengages, do they almost immediately remanifest?

ELIAS: No. No. I would say that it definitely varies, but most of them don’t immediately remanifest. Most of them linger for a time framework; most of that energy does linger around you for a time framework. But even those that manifest quickly don’t do it immediately.

JEAN: And then when they do remanifest – and say they remanifest with you in another form… How can I say this? Say, if a cat of mine disengages and I want the cat back, is it 100% my decision? Or is there an agreement with the energy/units of consciousness that made up the previous cat? Does there have to be an agreement between both parties, in a sense?

ELIAS: No, it doesn’t. And what I would say is that this is very similar to probable selves; it isn’t the same, but it is very similar. Therefore, you recognize that a probable self is created by a projection of you. Your energy at some point, in a manner of speaking, splits from you and creates a probable self.

Now, once that probable self is created, it generates its own choices, its own direction, its own experiences. But it is still a part of you; it doesn’t become another essence, it is still a part of you. Which is also the reason that at times you have experiences in which you feel and sense and almost see certain experiences that actually aren’t happening in the moment, but they appear to you to be SO real that they can be unnerving. Such as, you might be driving in a vehicle and suddenly you have this sense and this feeling and this awareness and this experience of the car being in a devastating crash. But the car isn’t crashing – you are driving and nothing is happening, but the sensation and the awareness of the experience is so vivid that it can be very unnerving. This is a probable self that is HAVING that experience at that moment, and you feel it. That is because that probable self is not another essence; it is still a part of you. And therefore, in that, although it is engaging its own journey, it is making its own choices and it is having its own experiences. It is also very much connected to you.

Animals are a projection of you, of YOUR essence; and in that, they are a part of you. Now, once they are manifest, very similar to a probable self, they generate their own choices, they move in their own directions, they have their own experiences. You don’t choose FOR them; they choose for themselves. But in relation to their creation, you do that.

Therefore, if you have an animal, as you expressed, that disengages and you want it back, you want it to be in your reality again, that is your choice. You choose whether to remanifest it or not.

Now, you do that in natural manners in conjunction with the design of your reality. Therefore, it will be born and it will engage what you think of as life in the natural manner, and then it is a manner of you placing it in your path to reconnect with it, in a physical capacity.

JEAN: Well, let me ask you this, then: You and I had a conversation awhile back where I asked you about my cat Anya. My husband and I both suddenly began calling her Katie soon after our old cat Katie disengaged. Did part of Katie’s energy then mingle with Anya’s?

ELIAS: Yes. And that also happens frequently. You may remanifest an animal, but you aren’t remanifesting that animal entirely, solely as that one; but you may actually combine different energies together and remanifest the animal with that combined energy.

JEAN: So, my cat Anya: Does this mean that I am creating her in the moment? And so in one moment she was Anya and in the next I incorporate a part of Katie in her?

ELIAS: Generally, no. Generally, if you are moving in a direction in which you want to reconfigure an animal companion, you will reconfigure it. But many times, as I have expressed, you won’t do that singularly. You will generate a combination of energies and reconfigure it with that combination of energies.

There are times when individuals reconfigure an animal companion and they duplicate it almost identically. They reconfigure it to be the same type of animal, the same gender, the same size, the same personality; they will reconfigure it to be almost identical, and they may as well be creating a clone.

Now, in that, though, understand that even a clone, even in physical capacities, once it is created it makes its own choices. And therefore, even a clone or an identically reconfigured energy will have its own experiences; therefore, it won’t be EXACTLY the same. It will be physically very much the same, but it will have its own experience and its own choices, and therefore there will be SOME differences no matter how precisely you reconfigure something. No matter how precisely you clone something, there will be SOME differences.

JEAN: Now, I think I asked you previously in a session if creatures determine their own color and color patterns. Or is it more like if I am wanting to remanifest a specific animal, is that something I would choose?

ELIAS: That depends on your intention. If you are recreating or reconfiguring that animal in an identical capacity, then you would choose. If you are remanifesting and reconfiguring that energy with a combination of energies, then the creature would choose.

JEAN: Wow. Interesting. Interesting.

ELIAS: Therefore, it isn’t ALWAYS you. And you don’t have ALL of the choices in relation to the manifestation of creatures. But it does definitely depend on HOW it is being done.

JEAN: The intent behind it?

ELIAS: Yes. And that is also what I expressed to you previously: At times individuals are very definite that they don’t want to reconfigure an energy of a lost companion, that once they have engaged the loss of that companion animal that they want that to be unique and gone and they would rather engage another animal that is very different. And therefore, what you do is you create something that is very different.

JEAN: Yeah, that was part of the 2018 session, too, where you were comparing Mary and myself in regard to reconfiguring animals, and that it is based on an individual’s personality and what is important to you, and that sort of thing.

ELIAS: For some individuals, it is very comforting for them to reconfigure that familiar energy. For other individuals, that wouldn’t be comforting at all.

JEAN: Ah.

ELIAS: For some individuals, that would be painful, or prolonging that painful process.

JEAN: Interesting. Interesting.

Let me ask you about a dog I had once that… (emotionally) – Oh my god, I am going to cry just thinking about it. (Pause) Jefferson, a Weimaraner that I was very, very close to: obviously, is this a creature that I’ve had before in other focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: Was he always a dog?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: I asked you in a session once about an occasion where I had suddenly awakened during the night and literally saw an Irish Wolfhound in my bedroom. Was that him?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: Wow. Wow. And Elias, (emotionally) have I reconfigured him?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: Can you tell me in what capacity? I mean, I know Mary’s dog Sophie has a fleck of him in her.

ELIAS: Correct. But now think about it, and think about you. Look around you, and what do you identify?

JEAN: Well, I’ve got a bunch of cats!

ELIAS: I understand. The factor that you have always configured him as a dog in the past doesn’t mean that it always HAS to be a dog.

JEAN: And so I have reconfigured him into one of my cats?

ELIAS: Yes. And what I would say is that would be one of those situations that is somewhat in the middle of what we were discussing previously, in between not wanting to reconfigure a particular energy at all, and wanting to reconfigure an energy but not wanting it to be too reminding.

JEAN: (Somewhat shocked) So it’s one of my cats?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: Okay, well I am going to have to work on that.

ELIAS: I would say that you likely won’t have to work on it for long. (Chuckles)

JEAN: Okay. Okay. Wow. That’s just beautiful.

And switching this discussion just a little bit in a different direction, this kitty, Rocky, that kind of came with my house when we moved in, he is the founding sire of most all of my other cats here, until I got them all spayed and neutered. We had discussed that he is having some respiratory problems that I have been working with for a couple of years now. This cat was practically feral when I moved in, and he is definitely NOT one that wants to go to the vet – I had to take him twice before in his life, and it was extremely distressing for him. I understand that, and like all creatures, I know that he has created this manifestation. You have stated that when an animal creates a manifestation, an illness, they do not create it with the intent to ultimately disengage from it. Oftentimes they WILL use that to disengage, but it is not an absolute but that they may ultimately choose another method.

So, he is creating this respiratory thing for his own reason, correct?

ELIAS: Correct. Yes.

JEAN: But there’s a reflection, a message, in it for me.

ELIAS: There is ALWAYS a reflection.

JEAN: And part of that for me is probably this whole thing of not trying to “fix,” correct?

ELIAS: Correct!

JEAN: And is there anything else?

ELIAS: Yes. I would say that this also is another expression of differences, and moving in a direction of accepting that – or learning how.

JEAN: Yeah. This has been very tough for me, especially with the expectations of my being a veterinarian and –

ELIAS: Precisely! And that is the point. Yes, precisely. Because of your background, because of your experiences and because of your knowledge, this would be automatic.

JEAN: And since the last time we spoke about it, I thought, “Okay, I’m just gonna let him be,” and whatever. But I have my beliefs as a veterinarian, and I kind of came to a type of cooperation with him where I tried a couple more things. Sometimes he responds to them briefly, but he always goes back to the same manifestations. But at least I feel better about trying. He has a choice of whether or not to respond, but I honored my guidelines by trying.

ELIAS: I understand.

JEAN: But I’m not taking him to the vet, and I’m not going to be medically very, very aggressive with him. But I found I had to reach that balance with myself.

ELIAS: I understand, and I very much acknowledge that. That is being self-directing – recognizing yourself, paying attention, and moving in a direction that is comfortable for you. And I very much acknowledge that.

I don’t give you information so that you will blindly follow what I tell you. That isn’t the point, and that wouldn’t be honoring of any of you. I give you information that you can assimilate, you can think about, you can consider, and then you can generate choices that are the most beneficial to you.

JEAN: And I wanted to ask you about something else. Recently a huge, feral black cat has just moved in. He has apparently adopted me, and my other cats are just in a tizzy about it. But it’s kind of interesting imagery. Is this a remanifestation of an animal of mine? Or what’s necessarily the imagery here?

And I named him Thor, because he’s a big monster of a cat.

ELIAS: This is not a remanifestation of one of your animals. I would say this is a remanifestation (laughs) in cooperation with Michael (Jean gasps), of one of MICHAEL’S animals, and his name was Thor. (Jean gasps again) That wasn’t an accident that you chose to name this animal that.

JEAN: Oh my god! What else, Elias? Because I’m going, “Why?” Is this a symbol of interconnectedness?

ELIAS: It is a cooperation that you are generating with Michael. And in that, remember: You are all interconnected. And this is a direction that you are moving in more recently; both of you are moving in this direction of recognizing and experiencing more of that interconnectedness, along with many other people.

And in that, I would say is that in that interconnectedness, then you have access to those memories, to those experiences, to those manifestations. [Inaudible] Most of you don’t know that objectively, because you haven’t actually been in that direction of experiencing that interconnectedness yet, but that is what you are doing now. And in doing so, you are also expanding your experiences, your abilities – and I would express that this is one of those.

And I would say that it is not surprising that all of your cats would be somewhat reactive, because this configuration is somewhat new. This energy is very accustomed to being a dog. (Jean gasps in surprise) Which is likely also the reason that it is so large! (Laughs)

JEAN: So, was this something that Michael and I created in utero?

ELIAS: No. This is YOUR creation. You created it. But you created it in cooperation with Michael – in a manner of speaking, borrowing that energy. That would be very figurative.

JEAN: But then I configured it in utero somewhere, in a kitty.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

JEAN: And then it found me.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: (Pause) Wow.

ELIAS: Also, this is another interesting factor, because it found you in a similar manner that a dog would find you. Cats don’t generally travel in that manner.

JEAN: How far did this cat travel? Because I assumed it came from a neighbor that has a lot of cats.

ELIAS: No. It has traveled. (Laughs)

JEAN: Like, can you give me an idea how far?

ELIAS: I would say it has traveled altogether – for it has actually generated stops, occasionally – but altogether I would say it has traveled approximately, in your terms, 150 miles.

JEAN: No way! And I attracted it with my energy?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: Elias, that’s just fascinating.

ELIAS: I would express that that is unusual, because cats don’t generally travel. They establish territories very similar to some birds, and they don’t generally travel; they remain in certain territories. Dogs travel.

JEAN: Elias, that is just delicious information. (Elias laughs) Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

JEAN: I think we have a few minutes left, and I hope Val doesn’t mind me asking this. But since Bonnie’s disengagement, Val has a lighter energy about her.

ELIAS: I agree.

JEAN: And was that from… She was always projecting a lot of energy to this dog constantly. Of course, I am not one to talk, because I do the same thing to my animals. But hers was an intense concentration often.

ELIAS: And one.

JEAN: Excuse me?

ELIAS: She only had one.

JEAN: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, that lent to an intense concentration: only one.

JEAN: Ah. Yeah.

ELIAS: You have many; and therefore, you also do a similar action, but you aren’t concentrated on only one.

JEAN. Mmm. Mmm.

ELIAS: But I agree. And I would express a validation of that observation. And I would also agree that her energy is considerably lighter now, yes.

JEAN: And this little dog…. Well, first of all let me back up and say that I read something today where you were saying that people that have small dogs will often treat them differently because they perceive that they need to be protected.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEAN: Was that a part of the reason for her intensity? Or was it more just the belief in responsibility?

ELIAS: I would say both. And I would say that because of the personality and the temperament of that particular dog that, yes, there was definitely a significant piece of responsibility. But also, more so protecting the dog from people than people from the dog, or protecting the dog from other dogs rather than protecting other dogs from that dog.

I know that she frequently expressed in that manner, that she was concerned that Bonnie was not necessarily sociable (Jean chuckles); and therefore, she was expressing that she was concerned for other dogs or people. But more so, there was actually more of a concern for her, that she [Bonnie] not be distressed, that she not be bothered.

JEAN: And that’s somehow a reflection of her associations or beliefs? (Pause) Do you know what I am trying to ask?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. In a manner of speaking, I would say. I would say yes, definitely a reflection of herself, and that it is also very similar to some other individuals. It is more recent that she is allowing herself to be experiencing that interconnectedness with other people and opening herself up and participating more, not isolating herself as much.

JEAN: And she wanted me to ask you that when this dog was quite young, she ran out into the road and was hit by a car and busted up a hip and a femur. The vet wanted to put her down and Val said “No, let’s surgically repair it,” which she did. But at the time, she wanted me to confirm with you that that was kind of Bonnie’s imagery to her about the work situation she was in. That it was just… You know, it was like me in the horse business: It was an overwhelming time in her life. Val took on a tremendous responsibility at this horse farm where she was working.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEAN: And essentially it was killing her.

ELIAS: Yes. I would agree.

JEAN: Wow. Wow. (Pause)

Elias, I guess I want to talk a little bit about my horses. From a session of mine a few years ago you said that you perceive that animals are “gone.” We are talking about this void when you perceive that the animals are gone – and not necessarily when they just disengage, but when they are gone. Like, (emotionally) my horses are GONE. And you said that if you just use your inner senses, you would know that they are not.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEAN: (Emotionally) And can you kind of talk to me just a minute or two about that? Because I still see that they’re gone.

ELIAS: But gone in what sense?

JEAN: (Emotionally) That I can’t see them; that I can’t smell them; that I can’t put my arms around them.

ELIAS: And in that sense, you are correct. But it doesn’t mean that they are ENTIRELY gone. Whether they are disengaged or whether they are alive and gone, it doesn’t matter. Because you have the ability to tap into that energy at any moment, at any time.

In that, I would say to you that it is simply a matter of giving yourself the opportunity to incorporate some time quietly and generate a visualization in relation to any particular animal and connect with their energy. And then you can actually project where they are.

JEAN: Wow.

ELIAS: You can do that whether it is still in physical focus or whether it isn’t, whether they have disengaged or whether they are simply gone from YOU but remain in physical focus. In either direction, you can project TO them, because they are a part of you, because they are a part of your energy. Therefore, in that, you have that ability.

It isn’t the same as a person that dies. It IS the same as a person that perhaps moves away if they remain in physical focus; you could do the same with that.

[The timer for the session rings]

But you wouldn’t be able to necessarily project yourself to an individual that has died, unless they are already beyond nonphysical transition. Then, yes, you could, but BEFORE the individual engages nonphysical transition you wouldn’t necessarily be able to do that. But with an animal you can, because they aren’t in a PLACE, so to speak. They are in an area of consciousness, but that is accessible to you.

JEAN: Elias, well, we will shut this down here. Thank you so much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting.

JEAN: I will too.

ELIAS: I am tremendously encouraging you in this new endeavor.

JEAN: Thank you.

ELIAS: And I incorporate no doubt as to your ability to be considerably successful with it.

JEAN: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: In great encouragement, in tremendous [inaudible], my friend, and in very much love, au revoir.

JEAN: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour)

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