Session 201910261

Become a Beacon: Challenge Conformity


Session 201910261
“Become a Beacon: Challenge Conformity”
“Comfort vs. Self-Direction”
“The Charade of Political Correctness"
"The Group Holding Onto the Illusion of Power"
“Lucid Waking: You Get to Choose"
"Creating with Confidence and Determination”
“Finding Your Voice”

Saturday, October 26, 2019 (Group/North Hinsdale)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Aaron (Todd), Ann (Vivette), Bonnie (Lyla), Denise (Azura), Harry (Sonj), John (Lonn), John (Rrussell), Karen (Turell), Lynda (Ruther), Magdelena (Michella), Marij (Kammi), Mark (Liam), Melissa (Leah), René (Gerard), Saige (Seadae), Sandra (Atafah), Val (Atticus) and Veronica (Amadis)

“It merely is a matter of not being silent and not accepting the suggestion of the conformity….There IS no equality. You aren’t equal. You are all unique and different and individual."

“And when you are self-directing, when you are being intentional, when you KNOW what you are choosing and when you are expressing that confidence continuously, you glow, and other people genuinely pay attention.”

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

GROUP: Good afternoon!

ELIAS: (Laughs) This day we will be engaging several subjects, two in particular that I will be expressing and then, if you are so choosing, you can also add to the subjects with your own. But there are two subjects that are presently significantly important. One is encouraging and somewhat fun, and the other is encouraging of each of you to be genuinely aware.

Presently, there is a tremendous surge of energy that is occurring. In a manner of speaking, it is somewhat of a natural phenomenon that has occurred many times through your history, and I have recently expressed to some individuals a beginning introduction about this subject.

But first let me express to you, I have engaged conversations with all of you previously, and I have expressed to all of you that as a species, as a people, you have a tendency to be considerably suggestible. And that is a trait, let us say, with your species that is considerably common. But at this present time framework, it can move you in some dangerous directions.

Now; before I continue, let me first express to you that there is no indication whatsoever in your collective energy that you are moving in any direction of tremendous conflict or anything apocalyptic. You are not. Therefore, this is not a conversation about doom and gloom; not at all. But it IS a matter of being aware of certain patterns, that as humans you have engaged these patterns over and over and over again throughout your history. And generally, when you move in the direction of this particular pattern, it does generally lead you in directions of considerable destruction, and it generally does lead you in directions of considerable wars. NOT NOW. That isn’t the direction that you are moving in, but the reason is that so many of you are so much more self-aware now.

But even in being self-aware, the suggestions are very insidious. They always have been, through your history, and they are now also. And they are being accepted now, just as they have pastly in your history. As I have expressed to some individuals recently, the most recent example of this movement, this type of movement, this pattern, occurred within your second world war. You wonder to yourselves now, looking back at history, why would so many individuals not respond. Why would so many individuals be led to the slaughter, so to speak? And let me express to you, your second world war was not new. This has happened throughout your history. You incorporate a considerably bloody history as a people. And in that, this is part of the patterns that you engage.

Now, what leads in this direction – and this is significant – what leads you in this direction is that you incorporate a time framework in which first of all you have peace, relatively speaking, meaning there aren’t considerably large wars happening in any significant area of your world. Small wars, small skirmishes in your perception as a collective, as a people—you don’t pay much attention to those. And you don’t register them as outside of your peace time. If most of the world is at peace, you generalize it as this is a time of peace. And there HAS been a time of peace for a considerable time framework presently.

Now; in that, during that time framework, generally what begins to occur is that people become more complacent. They become comfortable, and they are not as inclined to be changing. That is the first piece. The second piece has to do with this shift, that people are becoming more self-aware.

Now, because people are becoming more self-aware – but not all people, but many – the emphasis is shifting to the individual. But the difficulty with that is that most individuals are not accustomed to being self-directing. They don’t know how. Most individuals are comfortable with a considerable amount of structure in their lives, and they are comfortable and safe if they are being told what to do and how to do it.

Now, this has served you well pastly—even back to your pyramids! There are masses and masses and masses of people that you would term to be the drones, the sheep, the masses that are willing to be the workforce in your world. And that is important, because you require a workforce. In your industrial revolution you created factories and factory workers and assembly lines, and masses of people were employed to do this type of work. And throughout your world to this day presently, there are many, many areas of your world that still employ this type of culture, this type of expression in relation to masses doing piecework and assembly work and industrial work. You still to this day incorporate many, many, many, many people that are engaging jobs that they assemble and create with their hands, still to this day—textiles.

That has served you very well, and beyond that it shows you an example that most people – not all, but most people – are comfortable in the role of being told what to do and how to do it. Most people want to be instructed, because it is safe. It feels safe. It feels secure. They don’t have to be creative, they don’t have to be imaginative, they don’t have to structure themselves. The structure will be provided for them, and that makes them comfortable.

Now, this is not wrong or bad, and I merely express this to you as information, that you can understand that this is a considerable part of your world in ALL cultures. It doesn’t only apply to your culture in this present country.

In that, how that creates a difficulty is that in relation to the objective insertion of this shift, which is now about to, almost, enter its twentieth year, the emphasis is on the individual and being self-directing. And this is not being well received by masses of individuals. It creates an insecurity with them. They don’t know HOW to be self-directing, and that frightens them. And what do they do? They look to their authorities. And who are their authorities? Their governments.

And in this present time framework, many of your governments have moved in a very similar direction. It isn’t only in the Americas, but there are many governments presently whose figureheads are very similar. And in that, in a manner of speaking, they are the drones. They are the figureheads, and they are actually being somewhat manipulated by the actual power behind them, which is a select few. And those select few are the ones that generate decisions, and they are the ones that make the suggestions. The people think that THEY are creating whatever is being suggested to them. A case in point—

ANN: Can I ask a question?


ANN: Are those select few self-aware?

ELIAS: Not necessarily, and most of them, no. They are very much operating in the world of constructs, and what they know and what they have been taught and what they have learned, and what they have learned from history and employing similar expressions, because they are successful.

Now; the case in point – which is only ONE expression, but it is an obvious one that all of you have encountered – is this present movement in relation to being politically correct. This is a suggestion that has been passed insidiously by the select few, but the masses, the people, believe that THEY generated this idea, that the people themselves have created this idea for their own self-expression and freedom, that by employing political correctness they are expressing their own freedom and they are expressing MORE of their own freedom. They didn’t develop the idea themselves. It has insidiously been suggested, and in that, for a very specific reason.

Because in like manner to the Romans, to the Egyptians, to the Greeks, to the Germans, to the Italians, to the Japanese, to the Americans, conformity is the order of the day. How you control the masses is you first move them in the direction of conformity. What better way to conform than to express the idea that you are expressing your freedom by insisting on political correctness, and that that means that you are influencing everyone to accept everyone, which is definitely not being successful.

Now, in that, what happens if you AREN’T conforming?

VAL: You get chastised.

ELIAS: Precisely. That is the point. You either conform—

ANN: Or YOU’RE not accepted.

ELIAS: Precisely. And beyond not being accepted, you will move more and more in the direction of being persecuted, because it is unacceptable to not conform to what is being expressed. And they are using the very people that have struggled for centuries to gain some small bit of acceptance, people that express outside of the norm. They are using people in the expressions of gender and in sexual orientations. That is the base of the political correctness.

And in that, it very well does incorporate this disguise of being good and of giving you more freedom, or giving THEM more freedom. It isn’t giving them more freedom, either.

JOHN (Lonn): It’s a charade.

ELIAS: It is very much a charade, yes.

And in that, what is important for you to be aware of is that this is the beginnings of the patterns: grouping the masses together, creating the conformity, and in that, generating the suggestions that will prevent any type of uprising.

VAL: Or essentially unity between individuals.

ELIAS: Precisely. Although they think they ARE expressing unity. They THINK they ARE expressing connection with each other, when in actuality they are being herded into that conformity. And in that, the individuals that are not being herded into the conformity, in a manner of speaking do somewhat conform by being silent, because they don’t want to be persecuted. Therefore, they become silent. You lose your voices, which is all part of the pattern and all part of the plan, because this allows those select few to control, or to express the illusion of control.

The difference NOW – and this is the reason that you are not creating an apocalyptic event and that you are not creating doom and gloom—is because there are too many of you that ARE self-aware, and there are too many of you that are influencing other individuals around you to become more self-aware, more and more and more. And therefore, there are too many of you that question and are not so easily swayed in the direction of that conformity.

And in that, although some of you may fall silent temporarily because you don’t want the conflict, I would also express that that likely will be temporary, that you won’t stay silent, you won’t remain in that position of being silent—not that you, any of you, move in a direction of inciting conflict; I would say that most of you don’t. But you don’t have to incite conflict to not be silent. It merely is a matter of not being silent and not accepting the suggestion of the conformity.

This also includes the idea of equality. I have expressed to all of you from the onset of this forum, for twenty-five of your years, there IS no equality. You aren’t equal. You are all unique and different and individual. You aren’t equal. You can’t be equal, because you can’t be equal and different. You can be equal and the same, but you AREN’T the same. None of you are the same. You are all unique.

And in that, that isn’t setting well with most of you, either, the idea of all conforming and all being equal. Most of you don’t want to be equal OR conform. And I applaud that, to all of you.

Now, this leads us into our second subject, which is also the manner of how to not conform. (Group laughter, chatter and cheers)


MARK: I want clarification.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARK: So, I just want to understand. Are you saying that there’s a select few that have sat down and developed some kind of plan to utilize government officials that are minorities, women, they've used their suggestibility to influence these people to go in a specific direction – to what end?

ELIAS: (Laughs) To the end of the illusion of power and (pause) protecting. Protecting themselves.

VERONICA: Protecting each individual?


VERONICA: Isn’t it more than protection for them?

ELIAS: It is power, or the illusion of power, but it is also significantly an expression of protection because they are uncomfortable and, in a manner of speaking, nervous or not at ease, recognizing that there is a growing number of individuals that ARE becoming more self-aware that AREN’T listening.

MARK: If you were to put a number on that, would it be less than fifty of these people?

ELIAS: No. No. They are a vast minority in relation to the numbers of the populace or the numbers of your population of your world, but I would say that if you were to put a general number – now this is throughout your entire world, not one country – but throughout your world, I would say that there is close to perhaps a thousand, perhaps more of these individuals.

MARK: Are all these individuals aware of each other? Is it a collective group?

ELIAS: For the most part, yes.

ANN: And banking? A lot of them are in banking?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. Not necessarily, although they USE banking, yes. They USE people and the collective groups of bankers. They use that, but they are not necessarily a part of this minority, this very small collective. These are people that generally are involved with governments. They are involved, to a degree, with military expressions. The individuals that are involved with military expressions are less. They are in the minority within that minority. These individuals are politically influenced. They are not necessarily—although there are some that do hold offices—they are not necessarily individuals that are directly involved in your governments as a part of the governments, but they are directly involved as an influence and as advisors.

JOHN (Rrussell): Think tanks?


ANN: Are most of them English speakers? English speaking?


ANN: Oh, that’s good to know.

ELIAS: No. This is throughout your world. This is not only in your English-speaking countries. This is throughout your world: every country, every continent.

ANN: Including Chinese?

ELIAS: Yes. All. All of them.

VERONICA: So, would they be like protecting their assets and their wealth, and because they’re doing that they’re powerful and THEN they send—

ELIAS: They’re not so much protecting their wealth. They are protecting their positions. They have enjoyed their positions for thousands of years.


ELIAS: These are people that have come into these powers through lineage. They do not simply acquire that. These are people that have been in power for thousands of years and continue to be at this point in your history.

And in that, they are very influential, but they are always behind the scenes. They are not individuals that you would be generally aware of. And what they seek most of all is to protect their positions. The world is changing. Your reality is changing. You are shifting and placing the emphasis of importance on the individual. The idea in so many western cultures, especially, in relation to "the power is with the people and the governments are simply the voice of the people"—that is a tremendous illusion. That is an ideal that has been set forth with many countries in their different constitutions, but it has never been implemented—never—in any country, in any form, in any time framework. It has never been implemented.

Those in the government are those that make the rules, and those that are the people are those that follow the rules. But that has been successful throughout most of your history, because most people are comfortable being told what to do and how to do it, and they don’t know how to be self-directing, to create their own structures. They don’t know how.

And throughout your history, when small groups of individuals arise to influence and help people to learn how to be self-directing or to be self-structuring, they are labelled and they are generally burned.

LYNDA: Assassinated.

ELIAS: Assassination would be too easy. Generally, they HAVE been burned.


ANN: Like witches?

ELIAS: Not only witches, but yes. This is generally the preferred method of elimination, because it sends a very strong message.

FEMALE: Like the reporter, Khashoggi.

ELIAS: And yes, it leaves no trace. How do you wipe out idea? You have to eliminate the entire culture (chuckles). In that, this is how it has been done throughout your history, even—

ANN: So, we don’t even know about some, because they were erased?

ELIAS: Yes. And what I would say to you, even in your second world war, what did they do with them? They burned them. They burned them. (Group chatter)

VAL: Elias, how many years has this group been around? Like post the last Ice Age? At that period of time, or Roman…?

ELIAS: Yes. Definitely. Yes.

SANDRA: The Egyptians? Ancient Egyptians?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Yes. What I would say to you is these individuals have been in play from the earliest what you would term civilizations.

FEMALE: Yeah, since civilization started.

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, many, many, many thousands of years. And they are very established, and they don’t want to be unseated, and they are afraid of being unseated, and with due cause!

VAL: Are they aware that awareness is increasing and that we're shifting?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

VAL: So, they are getting frantic at this point, do you think?

ELIAS: Not frantic.

VAL: Of maybe losing control?

ELIAS: No. No. I would say they aren’t frantic, and they definitely don’t perceive themselves to be losing control. They can look at different societies throughout your world, and even with the example that I offered, in political correctness, they see the fruit of that. They see it coming to fruition. It is being successful.

ANN: So, fun question: Do any of us have concurrent focuses, one of those people as a concurrent focus? In this room? Any of us have a concurrent focus with one of those?


MARK: How many times have I been burned? (Group laughter)

ELIAS: (Pause) Twenty-six. (Group chatter)

ANN: Have I been burned? How many times have I been burned? More than Mark? Thirty-two?

ELIAS: (Pause) You are correct. (Group chatter)

JOHN (Rrussell): But I imagine these individuals are fairly easy to identify, but it’s the messaging that’s a little more challenging. So, those of us with younger people, youngsters, offspring, the younger generation—call it what you will, millennial—they seem to be, or at least there’s the appearance that they are more conforming than the older ones. Can you talk a little bit about that and what combats that?


JOHN (Rrussell): Right. That’s the next part about not conforming.

ELIAS: You are the examples.

JOHN (Rrussell): Right.

ELIAS: They are impressionable.

JOHN (Rrussell): Right.

ELIAS: And there is much in their world that is unstable and unsure. And what have I said? Most individuals are not comfortable being self-directing. They want someone else to be telling them, and therefore they automatically will accept what is being fed to them. And in that, the stronger the expression is, the more likely they are to be accepting that.

Think about the example in your second world war, because it is close enough to you and it is enormous enough in your recent history that you can actually look at that and see the similarities. What was targeted first? The young individuals. Not even university age; young individuals: elementary school age, middle school age, high school age. These are very impressionable ages, and they want to conform and they want to be the same and they want to fit in, and therefore they are excellent targets. And whatever is significant to them, that is the in.

ANN: So, how do they start this? How do they start the political correctness movement?

ELIAS: I would say to you, to any of you, use your imagination. How simple and how easy can it be in your present time framework with your computers?

ANN: Well, it seems like ANY of us could do that.

ELIAS: Yes, you could.

ANN: I feel like we DO that. Maybe not to their significant extreme.

ELIAS: You don’t, actually.

ANN: We don’t?

ELIAS: No. Not most of you.

ANN: Not intentionally.

ELIAS: Not even unintentionally. You may be expressing some influence with each other, but you aren’t… you aren’t expressing directly an intended insidious affectingness. That is the point: they are. They are intending to plant suggestion.

And in your present time framework, an easy suggestion to plant with a generation that feels out of place, a generation that perceives themselves to be different and not accepted, then what better way to be planting that insidious, intended suggestion but to suggest if you are different, you are acceptable? Difference is good. We want to accept difference. And in that, we will create a new language that accepts you as being different, and all of you will conform to that. And anyone that doesn’t conform to that isn’t accepting your difference and they are bad.

JOHN (Rrussell): I can share maybe just super quickly and extremely generally that is maybe a small example is… I know somebody who is consulting to a board, probably one of the top ten most wealthy towns in the world, run by very wealthy people. And they have a population that’s there year 'round who are very poor, all the people who work in resorts and this sort of thing. And the whole plan was conceived just like Elias was talking about. There’s a communications plan, there’s a long-term plan in terms of what we want the children to do now, what do we want this place to look like in a generation, in two generations. It’s a plan that’s written down, and I mean it’s completely manipulative. One of people who funds this town didn’t like it. She’s the super-wealthy one, but she’s surrounded by twenty, fifty people—less than that, maybe ten, twenty people who call the shots. I mean, there’s not a lot she can do. I mean, that’s just one little microcosm example, and I can personally give you other ones from around the world. It’s pretty sad, if you ask me, but yeah.

ELIAS: And this is what they are accustomed to.

JOHN (Rrussell): Right.

ELIAS: And in that, what I would say to you is it is important that I emphasize to you that this isn’t necessarily bad or wrong, but it is contrary to what you are doing in evolving in this shift. It IS what you are accustomed to. It is what you have done for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And what is happening now has been brought about by the masses, in being unstable and not knowing how to BE self-directing and not knowing how to self-structure. And therefore, they are ASKING for that input, they are asking for those suggestions, and it has been responded to. Therefore, it isn’t only this select few that is controlling the world—no, the world is asking them to express in that manner, and therefore they do.

The difference now is that this select few also recognizes that there is a change in your reality, and they recognize that more and more and more people throughout your world are becoming more and more self-directing and more and more self-aware, and THAT threatens their position. And they are not so willing to give up that position.

AARON: Even with the climate change that’s coming? It seems like that would throw a wrench into their control thing, like it would become chaotic. No?

ELIAS: Climate change doesn’t threaten them. It wouldn’t threaten their position. If anything, that ADDS to it, because it creates fear among the populace, and fear is another excellent tool for manipulating. And in that, it also creates uncertainty with the mass populace. What will become of us? What direction do we move in? How do we fight this? How do we stop this? Your younger generation, as I expressed to you in our previous group interaction, is afraid, and they are not happy. They are looking at their future in the direction of doom and gloom, and they are looking for someone to fix it and someone to change it, someone to be the hero.

It is not an accident that in your recent years, what is one of your most popular expressions in your movie media?

SANDRA: Game of Thrones.

ELIAS: In your movie media?

DENISE: Oh! Superheroes.

ELIAS: Precisely. The tremendous surgence of superheroes, because that is what the population, the masses, are looking for: someone to step up and be the superhero and save you all and show you all how to save your planet, to save yourselves and to move into the glorious beyond in the next step, and that you will all be safe and taken care of, and all the bad things will go away. And your young people presently are afraid, and they are expressing doom and gloom, and they GENUINELY want a superhero.

And who are those superheroes? You. (Group chatter)

MARK: I'm growing very weary of being burned.

ELIAS: Then don’t be. Be the superhero. (Group chatter) And if you are the superhero, you can’t be burned. You can’t be hurt. You can’t be harmed. You can’t be killed.

MARIJ: Elias, if we are the example, is it of growing awareness?

ELIAS: Yes. And that is the superhero.

MARIJ: But they wouldn’t call that superhero.

ELIAS: No. But they will pay attention if you are leading. If you are being the example and you ARE leading, they will pay attention, and they will feel safer. And they will pay attention and feel more comfortable with that. And as I expressed, that will lead us into our next piece, which is how to be implementing that.

But we will break first. (Group chatter)

Yes? You can express your question.

VERONICA: Okay. This select group.


VERONICA: Have they ever been attached to the Illuminati?

ELIAS: There have been some, in relation to some of these so-called secret societies. Yes, there have been some attachments in that direction. Are they all that? No.

Very well. We shall break, and then we shall continue.

(Break occurs after 51 minutes)

ELIAS: And now! (Group laughter and chatter)

Now, how would we go about being that example and implementing this different type of reality and not conforming?

MARK: Be mindful; start wars.

FEMALE: Presence.

ELIAS: And be fun?

ANN: It starts with presence, we know that. Being aware.

ELIAS: Definitely. That is—

ANN: All right, we don’t even need to mention that, that’s so obvious.

ELIAS: Precisely. (Group laughter and chatter)

VERONICA: Following our desires. Implementing. Putting action into what WE want.

ELIAS: And how do you do that?

VERONICA: Well, you don’t really want a personal example, right? (Group laughter) I am disputing the stand that our local politicians are taking, in that they are allowing the utility companies to continuously raise the delivery rates and raising our prices. And if these people want to continue in office, my suggestion is that the utility companies be removed from the exchanges, that it is a utility that everybody needs, and it shouldn’t be a for-profit organization. And I’ve called several, and I tell them I use six dollars’ worth of the utility and my delivery costs are forty-five and fifty dollars. Why should that be allowed? And I’ve gone so far as to say if you want my vote, I want to see you take action and do something, not only for me but for all the people in my community, and allow us to have co-ops for utilities, not that it’s just an investment vehicle for the rich and whenever they have to pay a dividend we all get an increase in our delivery rates. So, I haven’t seen anybody do anything, but I keep calling. And I call the Democratic Party and I call the Republican Party, and I’ve gone so far as to say well, then you’re not going to get our vote. And I can’t picket in front of their office. I haven’t thought of that, because I have to run to the bathroom. (Group laughter) But I do believe that I can show them that we are serious about what we do. And it’s not like I’m talking very politely. I start off sweetly, and then I show them that this is what we want. Now, there’s resistance from some of my neighbors. They say, “Oh, we know what we have, but we don’t know what we’re GOING to have.” So, I really am doing it alone. But what do we do after that?

ELIAS: I thank you for your sharing and for your personal example (group clapping), and I acknowledge what you are doing.

VERONICA: Oh! Thank you.

ELIAS: Now I would return to asking you: Can you imagine some manner of implementing your reality and being self-aware and being intentional that is fun?

ANN: Coming here is fun.

ELIAS: Yes, and I would say that that does have an influence, but that isn’t on a daily basis.

ANN: I think just talking to people, everybody you come in contact with, and staying true to yourself. And as an example for that, would be when we talk about voting, going back to voting. There’s the saying that people say if you don’t vote for… like there’s two candidates, Republican and Democrats, and if don’t vote for one of those you’re actually casting your vote for the other. There’s this common saying. Because I say I don’t want to vote for either one of those if I don’t want to. I don’t want to vote for the lesser evils anymore. And I do get pushback a lot. People say no, then you are part of the problem. And I say no, because I’m going to be true, I’m not going to do something I don’t want to do. And I told, I don’t know, maybe twenty, but whenever it comes up I tell people that. But I don’t know if it’s fun or not.

ELIAS: That is the question.

ANN: But it’s fun being myself.

ELIAS: Is that fun?

ANN: Well, yeah! It’s more enjoyable. The enjoyable part is not kowtowing to pressure. It’s enjoyable saying, “No, this is what I want, and it doesn’t matter if it works. It doesn’t matter, whatever. It’s what I want." That’s the part—it feels good. Whether it’s fun… I would say maybe it’s fun. It feels good. I would classify it as feels good. It feels empowering.

ELIAS: And it is. And I thank you for sharing that.

ANN: But it’s not fun. (Group laughter) I think we’re looking for something else.

KAREN: Creating community.

ELIAS: And how are you doing that?

KAREN: Meeting with people. Talking.

ELIAS: And talking about what?

KAREN: Things that interest… common interests, and things that go against the grain of society but are common interests and fun.

ELIAS: And what is the fun aspect of it?

KAREN: Laughter, and being with each other, and…

ELIAS: And how do you do that every day?

KAREN: Hm. Well, I’m seeing that I have to be more intentional in reaching out to people every day. It’s easy to be isolated, especially now with technology. There’s a perception that you’re connecting with people, but actually really being with people physically is a difference. There’s a difference thing, so…

ELIAS: I agree.

KAREN: I suspect that what you’re really getting at is an individual, nonconformist action on a daily basis that’s fun to us, if we each have our unique stamp. Correct?

ELIAS: Yes and no. I would say yes, you each have your unique stamp, in a manner of speaking. You have your own unique signature, in a manner of speaking, but there is also a manner in which you can all be generating being that example, expressing in the manner that you want, being present, being intentional, being directing AND generating fun doing it.

JOHN (Rrussell): Well, I was just going to give the example, maybe on a daily basis that people whom I know, whom I cultivate, who live near me or have become friends or acquaintances or people I meet up with, we get together and maybe have a drink, have fun, and we’re very politically incorrect. And we just say what we want, do what we want, and it’s nice. And I think that alone is that sort of energy.

ELIAS: Partially. Yes, I agree. And I would express I agree with all of these examples. But what I am expressing to each of you is how do you do this on a daily basis? Every day. Every hour of every day. (Group laughter and chatter)

SANDRA: So, can you choose that? You can choose to create it. In other words, you say, “Oh, I’m going get up today and I’m going to have fun.” Feel good, yes, and get onto my YouTube and listen to my favorite YouTube or chant or sing or fulfill my burning desire. Like, what do I feel like? What would make me feel good? I ask myself and do it. So, it’s a question of tuning in to me and…

ELIAS: And what if your plan doesn’t actually unfold in the manner that you expect?

ANN: All the better.

MARK: Be very unhappy.

VERONICA: Well, not really. I’m not really very unhappy. No.

ELIAS: What is an action that all of you do that you all share, that every one of you is familiar with and you do it every day?

GROUP: Laughter. Eating. Breathing.

ELIAS: You all dream.

GROUP: Ahhh!

ANN: So, imagination.

ELIAS: Every one of you dreams. And beyond all of you, everything dreams.

Now; in dreaming, if you genuinely focus on your dreaming, what can you accomplish with dreams? You can accomplish moving in a direction of lucid dreaming. Correct?


ELIAS: And what happens when you are lucid dreaming? What can you do when you are lucid dreaming?

MARIJ: Direct your reality.

ANN: It’s easier to direct than it is this reality.

ELIAS: And when you are lucid dreaming, if something unexpected happens in your dream, or your dream begins to move in a direction that you don’t like or that is dissatisfying to you, what can you do?

GROUP: Change it.

ELIAS: Change it! Because you are lucid dreaming. You can change it, and you do. NOW it is a matter of lucid waking.

JOHN (Rrussell): Whoa.

ANN: Which is magic!

ELIAS: Yes, it is. (Group cheers and applause) It is a matter of generating the same action that you do in lucid dreaming, but when you are awake: being present, being aware of yourself and being aware of all the choices that you are engaging every hour, every moment in your day. And when something in your day occurs that you don’t like or that you aren’t satisfied with or that you are uncomfortable with, you can change it, because you can choose something different. But you can only do that if you actually know that you ARE creating every aspect of your reality.

Other people aren’t creating it. Your body isn’t creating it against your will. Circumstances aren’t creating it. The elite few aren’t creating it, but you are creating it and you are choosing.

And in that, in the same manner as you can change something in your dreams because you don’t like it or you don’t agree with it or you don’t want it and it isn’t satisfying to you and you DO change it, you can do the same action when you are awake. Whatever it is that you don’t like, whatever it is that is not satisfying to you, whatever it is that you want to be different, it is a matter of YOUR choices—not someone else’s choices, but yours.

ANN: Oh my gosh. So, very, very synchy. Yesterday morning I woke up and I was feeling kind of like a little down, a little depressed. Not depressed, but it felt like I was in a depression a little bit. And while I was lying in bed, I was thinking about everything you just talked about. I thought okay, okay, we don’t have to follow our feelings, we can choose a different feeling. And then I thought about that. Yeah, I could choose to create something else. Then the second thing I was thinking about was the first part of your speech is, I realized I am pretty fricking unfamiliar with being self-directing. (Laughs) I was like, now how the hell do I do that? I mean, I kinda know how to do it if I don’t think about it, because I’ve done it before without thinking about it, but to do it intentionally is a little in need of practice.

ELIAS: Challenging.

ANN: Challenging, yeah. But I get it. I mean I don’t get it, but it’s just synchy how I was thinking that and like oh yeah, I’m going to be able to create my reality. I don’t really know how the fuck to do that. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Because – this is a significant point – that you don’t actually realize or recognize that you do choose your feelings. You still, to a significant degree, think and have the perception that your feelings simply happen or that your feelings always happen as a reaction to something.

ANN: Well, I did notice—points for me—I did notice, because I remember thinking about something in the day that might happen to change it. And I thought, oh, I was waiting for an outside source. So, I got that far. I recognized that I was waiting for an outside source.

ELIAS: Which is excellent!

ANN: I thought so. (Group chatter)

ELIAS: And I AM acknowledging of that. And in this, it is a matter of recognizing that (sighs) you changing something in your reality doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to create some big action or something complicated. And it doesn’t always mean that whatever you are changing that you will immediately see the result of that in that moment, because that doesn’t always occur. The result of you changing something may seem to have a delayed appearance. That doesn’t mean that it is taking time TO appear, but it is in a process because you are implementing a process and you might not actually see the result of that immediately.

But this is the manner in which it is important to be aware of when you are being present, in the present you are trusting. And from that trust, what stems from that is the faith that that trust carries into the future and is creating what you have set in motion in the future, because you have that faith in yourself, in your ability, in what you are creating and what you are choosing. The faith stems from the trust. The trust is now, the faith is future.

In that, also it is a matter of confidence. Let me say to you that the one piece that any of you will notice when you actually, in your terminology, make something happen, you do it in a time framework and in a position of being very confident in what you are expressing. You aren’t doubting it. You have a tremendous determination and, in a manner of speaking, an absolute confidence in what you are doing.

Let me also say to you, those expressions that you think of as being magical, miracles, the individuals that generate miracles, they have that confidence also. They may not be expressing that confidence in themself, but they are definitely unwavering in the confidence that some source will absolutely deliver the result that they want. And it happens, because they are unwavering, because they have no doubt, because they are confident in what they are expressing. That may be an angel, it may be God, it may be a guide, it may be a saint, it may be a rock. It doesn’t matter what it is; the expression is the same. It may be yourself, and for many individuals it is. At moments, at times, many, many, many of you have incorporated experiences in which you make something happen that seems to be impossible but you did it. You made it happen.

And in that, that is the commonality. That is the one piece that is unwavering in all of these expressions, regardless of what you label them to be. Whether you simply label them as an accomplishment, or whether you label them to be a miracle or magic, it doesn’t matter. The commonality is that confidence, that you know this will be. And it will BE because you have that trust and that faith in some source.

Now, in that, for all of YOU that source is you.

VERONICA: And does it apply only to our body consciousness?

ELIAS: NO! I am speaking to you about ALL of your reality, whether it is your utility bills, whether it is your mortgage, whether it is your children, whether it is your body consciousness, whether it is your job – it doesn’t matter. Your partners, your boss – it doesn’t matter what the subject is. It is all the same. The ACTION is all the same. It is all about choice. It is all about choosing, the same as you do when you are dreaming and you change it. And you express, “I don’t want to move in that direction, therefore I choose to stop that and now I am going to move in this direction.” And in that, you do! And you do it very easily, and you don’t question yourself. You don’t express in lucid dreaming, “Maybe I can change this. Maybe if I concentrate on this hard enough, I can change this dream into something else.” You NEVER do that when you are lucid dreaming. You simply choose. You simply express, “I don’t like this path; I’m choosing a different one. I’m moving in a different direction. I want this to happen instead,” and you make that happen.

And you can do the same action when you are awake. And the requirements for that are simply that you actually recognize that you are creating all of your reality.

Now, let me also express to you: even if you don’t 100% believe that, if you can express enough believing in that you create your reality, and if you are willing to implement it anyway, because in that you don’t have to feel it.

LYNDA: Yes! Amen! (Group laughter)

ELIAS: You don’t have to have a feeling that tells you this is genuine. You don’t do that in lucid dreaming. You aren’t waiting for a feeling to tell you that you are in the right direction. It isn’t about the right direction. It isn’t about the wrong direction. It is simply about choices. It is simply about being willing to risk that you can do it, because you can.

And every choice that you engage intentionally is genuine. It doesn’t have to have a feeling to be genuine. If you are doing it intentionally, it IS genuine. Because that is what you genuinely want to do, and therefore it IS genuine. In that, you don’t need anything else to validate it to you; it is already valid.

In that, it isn’t about changing anybody or anything else. It is about changing your perception of it, because that is what you are doing in lucid dreaming. You are changing your perception of the dream. When you change your perception of what is happening when you are awake, you change the reality. Therefore, in that, it is a matter of generating choices about YOUR reality.

I acknowledge to you that there is strength and power in numbers; there definitely is. When individuals move in the same direction, it creates a much more powerful energy. You can move mountains with the energy that is combined with two or more individuals. That is definitely a point. But is it necessary? No. You can do it yourself.

And in that, you don’t have to have the approval of other individuals, and you don’t have to be 100% consistently successful in every moment of every day of intentionally choosing in every choice precisely what you want. But if you are LIVING in that direction, it creates a tremendous example for everyone around you and beyond. If you are LIVING in that, if that is your reality, if that is your expression every day, always, other people are constantly watching you. You don’t even notice. People are always watching you. Whether it be when you are walking on a street or driving in your car or shopping in your grocery store or going to the library, it doesn’t matter. People are always watching you.

And people’s attention draws dramatically to people that become beacons, to people that shine, to people that glow. And when you are self-directing, when you are being intentional, when you KNOW what you are choosing and when you are expressing that confidence continuously, you glow, and other people genuinely pay attention. They will see you in a sea of people. They will pick you out.

MARIJ: Elias, may I ask you, Would it also maybe cause some fear within those people that see that beacon, or—


MARIJ: It would be felt as a positive?


MARIJ: As an example.

ELIAS: People don’t fear that glow; they want it. That is what draws their attention, because they want it. They want to glow in the same manner that YOU glow. They know that you have something that they don’t necessarily understand or that they don’t have, and they want it, and therefore, they watch you. And you don’t even know that they’re watching you.

ANN: Because we’re too busy watching them. (Laughs) Just kidding.

ELIAS: Actually, you are too busy questioning yourselves whether you are doing the right thing or not.

(Group laughter and chatter)

JOHN (Lonn) to ANN: Thirty-three now!

(More group laughter and talk)

ELIAS: Now, what I would say to you in this is you can apply this in actual, practical situations. This isn’t some ethereal concept. This is not something that is unattainable. It is something that you can genuinely apply in your daily life on an hourly basis in every situation, AND you can actually incorporate fun with it, because it IS very similar to lucid dreaming.

And in that, lucid dreaming is actually fun. You like to change a dream. It empowers you. But you also, when you do it, you surprise yourself initially. When you become accomplished at it, it doesn’t surprise you any longer; you expect it and you do it automatically. And in that, you do have fun, because you get to choose. YOU GET TO CHOOSE. You always get to choose.

VERONICA: Could you give us a cram course on dreaming, lucid dreaming?

ELIAS: Lucid dreaming: it isn’t as difficult as you think it is. What I would say to you is the easiest manner to be lucid dreaming is to allow yourself to incorporate a sleep time that isn’t in your usual time of sleeping; therefore, a nap, but a nap that is only long enough that you can slip into almost dreaming.

Now; what does almost dreaming look like? Almost dreaming is when you are incorporating that twilight sleep and you are still aware of your surroundings. Your objective awareness is still very much in play in relation to your surroundings and your waking state, but you are also in a very relaxed state of being.

Now, in that, you begin to allow yourself to drift, and you will begin to generate imagery. And in that imagery you are beginning to create dream imagery. And in that, you can change that very easily, because you aren’t in a deep sleep. Therefore, you can play with it. It isn’t a matter of you don’t like it. It may be some type of imagery that you are presenting to yourself that might even be fascinating momentarily, but you are aware enough at that point that you can change it. And do it intentionally, even if what you are beginning to dream is interesting. Play with it. What can I change this into? Anything.

Lucid dreaming is not as complicated as most individuals think it is. You think that it is impossible to be aware during your dream state because you are sleeping and you are not aware that you are sleeping and therefore you aren’t aware that you are dreaming because you are IN the dream. But that is the point of lucid dreaming. You are in the dream, but you are also AWARE of the dream at the same time that you are in it, and you are participating in it.

AARON: Like being present in the dream.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And in that, what I would say is the difference with being awake and doing that is that you don’t have to experiment with it, because you already are awake and you are already thinking and you are already aware of what you are doing. Therefore, all you have to be aware of is what you want to change something into, and doing it. You don’t have to "try to be aware of a dream;" you are already aware that you are awake. And in that, you are already aware that you can generate choices and that you are at the very least SOMEWHAT self-directing at this point and SOMEWHAT present and self-aware. Therefore, it is merely a matter of reminding yourself, “Oh yes! I can CHOOSE something! I can choose something different! I don’t think I am comfortable with this! I don’t have to do it! I can do something different. What can I do different? Anything I choose! Anything I WANT to do different, I can do different.”

Now; all of the rest of you, take this example of the utilities, and what would all of the rest of you express? How could you choose something different? And what would you choose different in your reality, to ripple out and make that situation different?

MARK: Set up my own power system.

ELIAS: That is one avenue. That definitely IS one avenue, but that isn’t necessarily an avenue that everyone might believe they can do.

MARK: What’s the point then?

ELIAS: But this IS the point, is the reason I placed that in your hands. What do you believe you CAN do? You have that type of experience and that type of knowledge to do that type of action. I would express that she doesn’t, in her experience.

MARK: You say it’s got to work for the populace.

ANN: No, for the individual.

ELIAS: For the individual.

ANN: So, that’s one choice—

ELIAS: That IS one choice and I acknowledge that, but that wouldn’t necessarily be a choice that would be helpful to her, because she doesn’t know how to do that. And that is a significant point, because what did we begin with? That most people don’t know HOW to be self-directing. You do, but most people don’t. Therefore, most people rely on other people to do for them or to instruct them what to do and how to do it.

Therefore, in this, this is also an excellent exercise, because you are moving into that next step of self-awareness, which is interconnectedness. Whatever you do, you don’t only do in relation to you, you do in relation to the whole, and whatever the whole does influences you. Everything is interconnected. Therefore, it isn’t a matter of black and white, one answer, one direction. It is a matter of recognizing all of the choices and how they interplay in that interconnectedness, and recognizing if she is you and you are her, then there is an aspect of you that doesn’t have your experience objectively, that doesn’t know how to do that by yourself. Therefore, what would the next choice be? How would you solve that problem? How would you generate a solution if you are her?

MARK: I would go through my experiences and remember, specifically to her, how I healed my body.

ELIAS: Excellent.

MARK: I would apply that energy with the absolute knowing that if I can do that, I can do this.

ELIAS: Congratulations. That is perfect. That is workable, that is successful, that is actually APPLYING that interconnectedness in a manner in which you CAN be helpful to each other by actually playing on actual experiences. Well done. Excellent!

[To Veronica] And do you hear that?


ELIAS: And in that, I would definitely express an encouragement to you in that direction. Yes, remember that and apply that same energy in relation to your utilities.

VERONICA: Yes. And to other things also.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

MARK: To everything.

VERONICA: Yes. Thank you.

ELIAS: Now; think of other scenarios in which you might want to change something in your objective reality. And how would you do that, being in that expression of lucid waking? Think of challenges that each of you present to yourselves and what you question within yourselves, or what you question as being the right direction or whether it’s the right direction, or whether you should do this or what is the most advisable direction?

[To Sandra] Think of that baby.


ELIAS: And the automatic of “leave her alone.”

SANDRA: Yeah, it was like she was on a drug and we were scared of her—the family—to touch her and move her in that little crib, because we saw the tubes and everything coming out of her and she was pretty lifeless. And we figured don’t touch her, don’t do anything to disturb her.

But then Elias said – and I have to really hand it to you, Elias. Thank you so much. Because… but I know it was a willingness on my part to hear that, too.

ELIAS: Definitely.

SANDRA: So, that we created that communication. And what happened was you said, “Touch her and hold her and make sure that you have contact with her.” So, it was like an octopus, and for three and a half months I held that baby all day long—all day long. And I touched her. I massaged her and massaged her ears. And I get tired, have back pain, and have to pee like you, Veronica. And I’d have to eat and all that. But then I was back on my job. And I KNEW that baby was going to be healed. I just knew it. And you even said to me, Elias, “Now, don’t get your hopes up too high, because we don’t know what this essence will choose.” But it was like the support, the blanket under that baby was there for that baby, and I was totally… I've never been so committed to anything as just being that soft blanket for that baby to make that choice. I knew she’d be healed, and it happened. She is completely and miraculously healed.

ELIAS: And think about that determination.

SANDRA: And I was. Like I never—

ELIAS: That is the key.

SANDRA: It gave me the stamina and physical strength to… because I would get tired.

ELIAS: And in that, this is an excellent example also, because it involves another individual; it involves another being. But your determination and your constancy in that created a very powerful influence and was received and was used, and turned the experience entirely in the opposite direction—entirely in the opposite direction. It transformed an entire reality with an entire family, not one individual. And in that, the magic, the miracle occurred. And what made that happen? That determination. That confidence.

VERONICA: That love.



ELIAS: Love is wondrous. Love is an expression that is tremendously valuable, but it isn’t enough in many situations. And one of the situations that it isn’t enough in is relationships, and this is a relationship. It isn’t enough to sustain. You can love deeply, passionately, tremendously and not have the ability to sustain a relationship, because it isn’t enough to build on. This is a misconception. This is, in a manner of speaking, somewhat of a fantasy. But it also is that fantasy, because so many individuals continue to define love as a feeling and it isn’t.

Therefore, more accurately, if you replace that word with affection, is affection enough to create that type of an action? No, it isn’t. That would be more accurate.

In this, you can literally move mountains. You can generate tremendously powerful changes in your reality, and you do affect and influence other people, other beings. You don’t create their reality, you don’t create their choices, but you do influence, and they influence you.

When another individual is driving their car on a road, and they are on the same road as you and they are driving their car tremendously erratically and they are swerving all over the road, they are definitely affecting you if you are driving on that road in close proximity to them. Are they creating your reality? No, but they definitely are influencing it, and you influence theirs. You ARE all interconnected and you DO all influence each other, whether you realize it or not. And the collective is ALWAYS influencing of the individuals, because you are part of the collective. That is the reason that it is so very important to BE self-aware and therefore not become swept up in the collective experience that is being expressive in a mindless, blind capacity – which is very easy to do.

But in this, the challenge now is to look at your reality, to look at your life hour by hour and ask yourself, “What am I doing in this moment? And if I want to do something different, can I allow myself to experiment with it? And dare I try to say to myself, ‘I want something different’ and make that happen?” You can. It is merely a matter of choosing it.

And let me express to you: that sounds very elementary, but in the moment that idea of choice you don’t actually believe you have. You believe that that is a fantasy. It is a lovely fantasy, and you WISH you had it, but you don’t actually REALLY have those kinds of choices because you live in the real reality. And I am simply a ghost, and I don’t participate in the real reality, therefore I am not aware of the REAL situations with actual bills or mortgages or jobs or children or parents or partners or vehicles that don’t want to function, or anything that actually occurs in REAL reality. I function in real reality also, but I know I can choose whatever I desire in any moment, and you can also. You are no different from myself, except that you actually have physical, corporeal bodies, and in that, you actually create physical manifestations. I don’t create physical manifestations. You do. You create many different expressions that I don’t. You create emotional communications that I simply simulate for your benefit. I do it for your benefit, because you wouldn’t listen if I didn’t. (Group laughter and Elias chuckles) Beyond not listening, you wouldn’t even hear me. (Chuckles)

But in that, you have wondrous opportunities! You create such a complex and wondrous reality. There is so much wonder to it. Walk outside and look at the grandeur of what you have created. What a display! It is magnificent. It is sublime, and you did it. You are doing it every moment of every day of your existence. Otherwise, you wouldn’t see those trees, or that sky, or that river, or that grass. You wouldn’t see any of it because you wouldn’t be creating it. But you are, and you are not only creating it, you are maintaining it, every moment! You in your own hands are holding this entire world and beyond, and you do it effortlessly.

Do you think about how difficult it is to imagine a tree? Never. You simply create one. Do you think about how to change the color of the leaves? Never. You simply do it. Is it difficult? Obviously not; you don’t even think about it! Do you question yourself and wonder if you are flowing the river in the right direction? No, you simply make it flow.

ANN: So, if we are not as self-directing as we could be, what part of us is directing that? Creating the rivers, creating the trees?

ELIAS: That would be all of your subjective awareness. But that is also part of the point of this shift, is making no separation between that subjective and that objective awareness, that you are creating all of it together.

ANN: You know, I don’t know if this is a road we want to go down in this session, but it seems to me if we are doing this—and I’m taking your word for it (Elias chuckles)—that this climate change would be very easy to shift. I mean, I know it’s not, but just saying—

ELIAS: I understand.

ANN: We’re creating mountains and oceans.


ANN: How fricking easy it is to create clean… It should be very easy to create clean mountains, clean air.

ELIAS: And I agree. I agree conceptually.

ANN: Yeah? So, what the heck is going on, Elias?

ELIAS: In order to do that—

ANN: We need numbers.

ELIAS: In order to do that, you require the cooperation and the participation of everyone on your planet—everyone . THAT is, in your terminology, the rub. (Group laughter) Unfortunately, you don’t have the cooperation of everyone on your planet. You don’t even have the cooperation of everyone in this room.

ANN: All right! Stand up! Identify yourselves. (Group laughter and chatter)

ELIAS: You don’t, actually. Not everyone even in this room is entirely in the direction of climate change and accepting it or caring about it. Therefore, if you consider that, and you expand that to the entirety of your world, it isn’t merely people that oppose it or don’t believe it; it is also people that DO accept it but they don’t care, that it isn’t important to them. And that isn’t wrong. And that isn’t actually bad.

ANN: Okay. So, if this is the road we're going down, it would seem like it would be impossible to get every being on this planet to agree on anything, yet we must have agreed on something because we have a planet. We’re here. I have a tree, so everybody on this planet agreed on that tree out there.

ELIAS: No. Because not everyone on this planet—

ANN: Is affected by that tree or—

ELIAS: — has that tree in their reality. It is in YOUR reality.

ANN: Okay. I get that. And the whole planet is in everybody’s reality.

DENISE: What tree? (Group laughter)

ELIAS: And what I would say to you in that is, in this moment presently, you are giving yourself a prime example of differences and how difficult it is to accept them. Because you don’t accept that idea that everyone isn’t in the direction of seriously considering—

ANN: I can accept it, but I get a little ticked off. No, I’m just kidding! I can accept it; I don't understand it. I actually think I can accept it, Elias.

ELIAS: Ah! And that is the reason that you initially reacted. If you actually accepted it, there would be no reaction. And what I would say is that is an excellent example. This is NOT easy. It isn’t familiar. You automatically judge outside of you by you. Those individuals that express that climate change isn’t important or that it isn’t important enough to warrant their attention, they don’t understand you either. And they react to you, also, that you are fanatical or that you are being overly emotional.

This is the point of difference and how important it is to BE accepting. But in that, to be accepting it requires you to be self-aware and then to move in that direction of genuinely not only recognizing but experiencing that interconnectedness. And that removes the judgment, because you actually experience everything else as being a part of you, everyONE else as being a part of you—a different aspect of you, a different personality of you—and that you are a part of all of them also. That there isn’t all this separation. That you exist within a reality that is magnificent and wondrous and sublime in all of its individuality, but it also is all interconnected.

VERONICA: Would this explanation also be applied to our present political situation?

ELIAS: Most definitely. Most definitely. And not only in your country, but throughout your entire world. As I expressed previously in this conversation, it isn’t only one country that is moving in these directions that it has presented the type of figurehead that you have in your country. Many countries have very similar types of figureheads, and in that, yours may be more vocal, but the only reason that yours is more vocal is because your COUNTRY is more vocal, because your country has always been more vocal from its inception. Therefore, it is understandable that your figurehead would be more vocal than many of the other figureheads throughout the world.

But they are, at this present time framework, most of them are very similar and move in very similar directions. Why? Because they ARE only figureheads, and they are being manipulated by other individuals that are generating the suggestions. And it is no accident that ANY of these figureheads are in the positions that they are; they are there because they have been manipulated to BE there.

MARIJ: Elias, some time ago you mentioned that this figurehead of this particular country was a catalyst.

ELIAS: Definitely. (Laughs)

MARIJ: I think it was about three years ago that you mentioned that.

ELIAS: Definitely.

MARIJ: Do you think, can you maybe say that it shifted some more because of him in the position of the catalyst?

ELIAS: Oh, most definitely.

MARIJ: Oh, that’s good then.

ELIAS: Most definitely. I would express that because of his influence – and he is an excellent example of how much influence one individual can have – because of his influence, some individuals that vehemently opposed him have actually found a manner, discovered a path in how to not vehemently oppose him and observe, and perhaps not genuinely accept but tolerate. Other individuals have been spurred to express in more objective and vocal directions.

Many individuals have found their voice. Other individuals have found a comfort in the idea that someone is telling them what to do and how to do it, and that is comforting and it makes them feel safe. Other individuals have been stirred to move in directions of original ideals of their particular country and its inception and its constitution. I would say that many individuals have sprung up in a new insurgence in militias, not necessarily bad but with the ideal that government doesn’t rule them and that they won’t be dictated to. That was the ideal in their original constitution. Many individuals have been spurred to express in that direction.

There have been many different influences that have occurred, and I would say that the present one is no different and is definitely valuable, because you are painting yourselves into a corner and it will spur you to act. Eventually, it WILL spur you to change, because you will move yourselves into a position in which you can’t move any longer and you have no freedom, and that will not set well. And that will create change.

JOHN (Rrussell): Given the context of what you talked about today, can you talk actually about when there’s protests going on all over the world, and in many different countries? And maybe talk about that in the context of what you've been talking about.

ELIAS: I would say that that is what I was expressing. Many people are finding their voice. Many people are moving in a direction in which they won’t quietly be led as lambs to the slaughter, and that is occurring all over your world. And in that, I would say that in one respect that is also quite encouraging, because, as I expressed previously, your second world war was not that long ago. And in that, you have moved considerably from that time framework.

And I would express that it wasn’t only one group of individuals that expressed as lambs to the slaughter. Even if they didn’t move in the direction of the slaughter, it was a tremendous example of an entire world that was being dictated to, and an entire world of people that couldn’t think for themselves, that couldn’t be self-directing. It isn’t even a matter of didn’t want to—they couldn’t. They didn’t know how. And this is what you are evolving into.

And the more that you see these protests and these demonstrations and these acting-outs, this is actually encouraging, because it is a genuine expression that people are finding their voice and they aren’t willing to be led, that they want to be self-directing, that they ARE becoming more self-aware, that they are not willing to simply acquiesce.

[To Veronica] Even with your example. And how often have you moved in that direction of such actions, to challenge your politicians? Not many.


ELIAS: But that is definitely you finding your voice and expressing yourself, and not willing to simply acquiesce to what others dictate. That is the reason that I acknowledged you. Not that you can’t implement more choices differently in a more fun, less frustrating direction, but that is definitely to be acknowledged and used as another example of empowerment, of finding your voice, of acting on what you believe, of being an individual with power—not one small grain of sand on the entire beach, but that that one grain of sand has a voice and is strong and has power and can actually become glass if you aren’t careful. (Chuckles)

SANDRA: A diamond that glows through the universe! Yeah.

LYNDA: Can I throw something in?


LYNDA: I can’t really speak to the whole vastness of the political climate right now, although I certainly have had my opinions. I can speak to little moments of fun in my day, that this business of crediting myself for the small accomplishments has very little to do with all these grandiose dreams I always have and desires—not that whatever I want won’t ultimately happen; I genuinely believe it will and it has—but the business of crediting myself in the moment and not buying into emotions, because I’m an emotional being and I trigger emotions and I trigger memories and I’m like… all of us are doing it. But I am saying no to the loop and the feelings and watching it miraculously change in – maybe a day is the longest, but usually in fifteen minutes or less. And to me, I know I ripple out when I do that. Because I’m free to express myself and have fun, and not take anything so damn seriously. You know, when you’re feeling blue, I’m just so damn serious, it’s just exhausting and the world is colored blue.

I’m not saying there’s not real stuff going on in the world, but I’m having more fun in my days and that that’s my contribution right now. And I’m excited about what you’re speaking about as far as paying attention to the moment and reconfiguring something. I do reconfigure things: relationships, my outside experience, which is very exciting. I’d really like to go for the bigger stuff, though, and the more… I mean, my mortgage is a good idea. (Laughs) You know, money worry, those things that are emotional responses to me. I mean, in a sense I see I have my work cut out for me, but also there’s an element of excitement that has not been there, that I have proven to myself I can do THIS thing so I can do this thing. That’s all.

ELIAS: Excellent. Congratulations.

LYNDA: Thank you. And thank us.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well. And very much so.


MELISSA: Elias, what do we all have in common in this group? Why are we here today?

ELIAS: Why ARE you here?

MELISSA: Interest in the topic? Maybe there’s a… I feel like unity, somehow, in the purpose here; yeah. And increased confidence?

ELIAS: I would agree. I would agree. I would also express that you are all genuinely seeking that experience of that interconnectedness at this point, that you are genuinely looking for that next step and wanting to implement it.

Now, let me give you an example of how not interconnected you are being in this moment. Has any of you been privy—other than the two of you [indicating Marij and Rene, who is holding one of Mary’s dogs]—to the sounds that are occurring?

ANN: Ah! The dog needs to pee?

ELIAS: It doesn’t matter what it needs; it is vocalizing, and no one is responding. And in that, how are you displaying and expressing your interconnectedness? You aren’t. This is an excellent example.


RENE: He gets kisses all the time.

MARIJ: But do we need to take him out?

ELIAS: That isn’t the point. In that, it is generating a communication. Are you—any of you, any of you—attempting to tune in to what that communication is, or are you simply ignoring it?

KAREN: So, when the dog barked over here, I was like “I wonder why it decided to bark right now.” But I don’t know if I took… You mean the next step is actually kind of merging with the dog?

ELIAS: Being it. It is you. You are it. What is it communicating? What is it communicating? It is communicating, “Down!”

LYNDA: Oh, "Put me down."

ANN: It wants down?

SANDRA: It wants mommy. (Group chatter)


SANDRA: Just down.

ELIAS: No! (Group laughter) This is an example. This is to USE as an example that no one is doing anything wrong—no one. None of you. It is an example to you of how automatic it is and how natural at this point it is for you to separate yourselves, and this is what you do automatically all the time. And that you are presenting to yourselves opportunities to be experiencing and to be playing with that interconnectedness, to allow yourself to be experiencing it, but you don’t know how.

KAREN: It’s like a hypnotic state. For me, it feels like a hypnotic state where I have to wake up and be like, “Something’s happening.” But we’re all in a hypnotic… I’m not just talking about the dog. I’m talking about I was with someone the other day and I thought, “My god, I’ve just fallen into this hypnotic state,” that like… It’s just crazy, but it’s based on habit.


KAREN: Of a lifetime.

ELIAS: Yes. Yes. And when you say “habit of a lifetime,” I implore all of you to genuinely take that to heart, because a lifetime for each of you is a long time. It is how many minutes, how many seconds of your entire life that you have been doing this? It is ENGRAINED in you. It is SO automatic.

And in that, this is what I am encouraging you in: to question. Even if you don’t necessarily respond, yet, that you question. That you DO have a moment in which you notice, “What is that? What is that happening? What should I do in this moment?” And it isn’t a matter of what should I do in the right or the wrong, but more simply in the direction of “How can I be—

(Mary’s two dogs noisily attacked each other at this moment, fighting over a piece of carrot.)

KAREN: They just interconnect, but in a weird way. Not in a loving way, but it was interconnected. (Group chatter)

ANN: It got our attention.

ELIAS: But it also got all of your attention. And what did it do? It brought you all together in one display. In one moment, you all focused in the same direction.

KAREN: And we all manifested that. It was a group decision to do that.

JOHN (Rrussell): What were they saying there?

LYNDA: They were fighting with each other.

ELIAS: The two of them? What initiated that between the two of them? (Picks up the empty dog dish)

JOHN (Rrussell): The food?

ELIAS: One piece. (Group laughter and chatter)

JOHN (Rrussell): Limited resources! (Group laughter)

ELIAS: One piece.

SANDRA: So, Elias, one big question is when there’s a lot of input, say there were three or four dogs here but you wanted to hear what Elias had to say, you notice the dogs, but then how do you merge with them and do Elias at the same time? Is there a path there, or a way? Or do I just choose Elias and I’ll just acknowledge them and then… Do you see what I mean?

ELIAS: I do. And what I would say to you is you missed the point by asking that question.

SANDRA: All right. So, could you—

ELIAS: Because if you presented that, then that is what you are presenting to pay attention to—not me.

SANDRA: Right. Right. But I meant before, when the dog was on Lynda’s lap and it looked up. I remember you looked up, Lynda, like something was on the move. The dog was… But I saw that but I wanted to hear you. That’s all I’m saying.

ELIAS: I understand. But in that, it isn’t a matter of having to choose one or the other. It is a matter of recognizing what you are presenting in your imagery to yourself, and one isn’t sacrificed. One isn’t—

VERONICA: But you stopped, also.

ELIAS: But I will continue. And in that, whatever you stop in one direction, you can continue. It isn’t done. It isn’t ended simply because you stop for a moment.

In that, you don’t have to divide your attention. It isn’t a matter of one is more important than the other; it is what you are presenting. You present to yourselves many different expressions, many different imageries continuously, at the same time: You are outside when we are expressing a break. You are taking in all of the input of the surroundings around you. You are inputting different individuals coming up to you, interacting, speaking with you, generating motions. You are taking all of that in at the same time. You aren’t isolating and segregating them all. You aren’t creating all of that separation.

And no matter how strong your concentration is in one direction, it doesn’t mean that you can’t incorporate more, because you are a part of everything. And you don’t have to be SO intensely focused in one direction to be actually absorbing the experience. You are assimilating anyway.

Therefore, that also is an excellent point. You are greater than you think you are, and you have much more abilities than you think you do. You are much more capable than you think you are.

ANN: I think I missed that whole point about the dogs. I didn’t get that.

ELIAS: What is confusing?

ANN: Like not paying attention to them wasn’t being interconnected because…?

ELIAS: No. What I was expressing is that this is an example in one moment, only one moment, in which you all did generate that connection. You weren’t looking at yourself as individuals, separate. You weren’t looking at all the other individuals in the room as individuals, separate. You were all focused on what these two small beings were doing, all of you together at the same time.

ANN: I get that actually more than the first example, when the dogs were making noises over there. That’s the one I was a little confused on.

ELIAS: That you didn’t act at all.

ANN: Yeah. Well, because you think that because… Like you don’t act on everything, because there’s more than one person, and some people take care of some things and some people take care of other things.

ELIAS: I understand that. But the communication kept occurring. Obviously, no one was answering or the communication would have stopped.

ANN: Okay. I like that better.

ELIAS: The communication would have stopped.

ANN: So, the communication keeps happening until someone answers it. (Group chatter)

ELIAS: It is an example for you to have the opportunity—not that you have to, but you want to be interconnected. You want to experience it. You want to practice with it. That was an opportunity to do that.

ANN: Okay. So, the other thing that kind of, like I would think… I don’t know if you juggle, but you also don’t want to impose upon…So, let’s say about like—

ELIAS: I am definitely aware of what you are expressing, yes. And it is about appropriateness and not appropriateness. And that is a construct, and in that, it is a matter of letting go of some of these constructs. Not that they are bad, but is it applicable in this situation? No. We are in a group situation in which we are discussing interconnectedness.

MARIJ: Elias, if I may add, since I am part of that not listening… (group laughter). I don't know what my partner… (Marij’s partner, Rene, was holding the dog at the time of the first example.) I misread the signals. So, I tried several options… (Group chatter)

ELIAS: I understand.

MARIJ: I'm not complaining [inaudible] signal, but it's really like a [inaudible] really, really, really listen well, because I didn’t read the signal well.

ELIAS: I understand. I understand. And that is the point. You are thinking. You are attempting to interpret. This is the difference. This is the difference of what I am expressing of what I am expressing to you, is that I am not expressing that you weren’t being responsive. I understand both of you were being responsive, but you were being responsive in the manner that you are accustomed to. [To Marij] You are human. [To Rene] You are human. You were both thinking about and looking at the creature as a creature and attempting to decipher and attempting to interpret what the creature was expressing. That is very normal, and that is what you are very accustomed to.

What I am expressing to all of you is different. I am expressing to you the concept which we are attempting to move into reality of interconnectedness.

MARIJ: I understand.

ELIAS: Experiencing the other creature, experiencing that as an extension of you, a part of you. Therefore, YOU are making that noise. And in that, you aren’t thinking about it, you aren’t analyzing, you are allowing yourselves to experience the connection, the interconnectedness. What is this aspect of me expressing? And how is that influencing me? Both directions, not simply one direction. Not one-sided, but both.

ANN: And so I think you brought up something good about like saying she was thinking about it, because as soon as I think okay but I’m going to think about it, overwhelm. So obviously we know we’re not going to think about it to experience that; we just experience it. So, it’s very unfamiliar for me to think I had to do something without thinking about it, I guess is what I’m…

ELIAS: All of you ARE thinking, to a degree. You are thinking only to the degree of what is the experience. That is the thinking part. Asking that one question: How can I experience this, or what is this experience? And then allowing yourself to begin with feeling into.

VERONICA: Would that be empathic?


AARON: I have a situation, like it comes up a lot with Kyla. And sometimes very often she starts talking on a subject she talked about a zillion times, and my automatic thing is to kind of nod and everything but tune out. But recently I’ve been becoming more present, and I feel something… it’s hard to explain, but something behind the expression, even though she said the same thing over and over again, in that moment she’s expressing something for me. So, I get a connection there.

ELIAS: And it is different.

AARON: Yeah, it’s different.

ELIAS: And it changes your perception. And it changes your actions. It changes your behavior. Congratulations.

VERONICA: So, would that be an expansion of his consciousness?

ELIAS: An expansion of his being, yes. Yes.

Another excellent example presently of actually to a degree experiencing the interconnectedness with both of these individuals [referring to John/Lonn and Mark], with the same small ones, because both of your energies have changed. As these two small ones relaxed, both of you also relaxed with them.

That is another example, but you don’t think about it.

KAREN: But then it rippled out.

ELIAS: Yes, it did.

KAREN: I saw it and I started relaxing.


ANN: All right, that’s a good example. That’s an easier one to grasp. That’s a good one.

ELIAS: Excellent.

I am tremendously encouraging of all of you. I am expressing great supportiveness to all of you, and I challenge you all to be playing with lucid waking and intentional choices.

I express tremendous lovingness to each and every one of you, great affection and dear, dear friendship. Au revoir.

GROUP: Thank you. Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 48 minutes. Total session time was 2 hours 39 minutes)

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