Sunday, June 11, 2006 (Private/Phone)

PARTICIPANTS: Mary (Michael) and Deb (Oana)

(Elias’ arrival time is 20 seconds)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

DEB: Good afternoon, my friend. And how are you? As always?

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: And I give you a greeting in Lakota for your critique.

ELIAS: You may.

DEB: All right, here we go. (Speaking in Lakota Language) (Elias chuckles) (Deb laughs) Was that understandable?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I have no native speakers around here to listen to, so anything that I learn I have to get through books and tapes, and you know I always think, gosh I wonder if I’m saying that right. (Both laugh) Anyway, I wanted to throw that out to you kind of as a language of a shared focus. (Elias laughs) I have a list of things; shall I start right here?

ELIAS: You may.

DEB: I’m going to talk to you today about my creatures again.

ELIAS: Very well.

DEB: Surprise, surprise. Does anyone talk to you as much about creatures as I do?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes...

DEB: You know, the last time talked we were talking about our idea about getting a new puppy.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: And what effect that that might have on Shengela, and as it turned out when we got a new puppy we ended up getting two new puppies. And they have been wonderful for each other. I think it’s been good for them that they have had each other for companionship because Shengela is just not really too interested in being too friendly with either one of them. But they are doing well, and they are a joy to us. And I have really been paying so much attention to their behaviors in the things that you had told me about before. You know, in the fact that they don’t have belief systems, they live in the moment, and I have seen that so much in these little boys just by paying attention to them. So that’s been really quite interesting.

One of my little boys, Bells, even has the disturbing habit of eating poop. (Elias chuckles) And I think well, that obviously means to me that you do not share my belief system in that. That is something you really shouldn’t do. (Laughs) (Elias chuckles) And I try to stop him from doing it whenever I see him doing it, but I don’t always get that done. Why do creatures do that?

ELIAS: There may be different reasons. At times a creature may incorporate that action in relation to some dysfunction physically within the creature, but also creatures do incorporate this action at times, not necessarily continuously...

DEB: No.

ELIAS: But at times, for they do not incorporate beliefs, and one of the actions that they generate naturally is to be incorporating their sense of smell and taste in identifying different manifestations or territories or markings in their environment.

DEB: Oh okay.

ELIAS: And in that, they may incorporate this action. Generally speaking, they do not incorporate that action in relation to their OWN excrement.

DEB: No. He likes to eat it... the poop of the other puppy.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: For it is an action that they incorporate in relation to the scent and the connection, in a manner of speaking, with other creatures. At times it may be associated with prey.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: At times it may be associated with what they would generate as an association of family unit.

DEB: Okay. Well, I think with him it’s more the family unit thing.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: He and little Blinky are so... I mean they are very tied to each other. They enjoy each other very much. You know, you had mentioned, and I had asked you before, about that little puppy, about Bells, and you had said that he had a fleck of your essence. Can you tell me that the other little puppy also has a fleck of your essence?

ELIAS: No.

DEB: No. Okay. That kind of surprises me, because sometimes his little eyes are so blue. And I thought well, maybe you have a fleck of that essence too, so I just did want to ask you about that. (Elias chuckles)

Well anyway, we’re enjoying them, and I keep hearing there’s no accident or coincidence to the fact that we have them both. Would you agree with that?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: There’s been a lot of changes going on with us lately, and my youngest son in a week will be moving away to college; my last little baby. My oldest son and his wife and their dog are in the process of moving back home, and they will be moving back in with us for a short time. And none of these have been bad changes, but they are changes none the less.

And for some reason my older dog, Shengela, has started again to have problems with (inaudible) episodes and that type of thing that we had talked about before back when I had talked to you about getting the puppies. And my question today, I guess the last time I had talked to you, you had said to be very careful about not projecting energy of worry or concern towards her?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: If she should manifest problems again?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: And so now that I’m seeing these problems manifesting again I’m turning my guilt gun onto myself and I’m thinking, even though I have tried so hard not to do that and tried to be consciously aware of not doing that, does that mean that I’ve been doing it anyway because that’s what’s starting to happen to her again?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, not expressing concern is not merely a matter of thinking, for you can delude yourself with thought, and you can think that you are not expressing concern by distracting your attention in some manner. But that is not to say that your energy is not projecting that concern.

DEB: I’m losing you. I’m not being able to hear you very well, Elias.

ELIAS: Do you wish to incorporate Michael for assistance? (Pause)

DEB: Elias, I’m not able to hear you, are you still there?

(Mary pops in)

MARY: Hello what happened? Oh there’s an awful lot of static on this phone. Maybe that’s what it is. Okay.

DEB: All right.

(Elias returns in 15 seconds)

ELIAS: Continuing.

DEB: Oh yes! I lost you there. I got to the part where you were saying that, regarding my concern of Shengela, that it’s not a matter of thinking.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: And then I lost you.

ELIAS: Individuals confuse thinking with energy.

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: And in that, you may be thinking that you are not expressing concern, for you may be attempting to distract yourself and THINK in different terms. But that does not necessarily alter your energy.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: That is the difference. In...

DEB: Well, my friend, how do I do that? How do I alter my energy in the fact that I do love her so much, and particularly when I start to perceive that she’s not doing well, it just... I know it does... it ramps my energy up worse and worse and worse and worse. How do I... how do I stop that?

ELIAS: In genuinely paying attention to your triggers.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: And genuinely paying attention to your reactions and her reactions.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: For, in a manner of speaking, the energy of concern translates to her as a validation to continue doing what she is doing.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: The manner in which...

DEB: Viewing the manifestation of not being well.

ELIAS: Correct. For the manner in which she receives the energy and translates that is that you, in figurative terms, are essentially expressing to her, “Yes, this is what I want, continue to do this.”

DEB: Oh, okay.

ELIAS: This is how concern is translated by the creature.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: For you are projecting a continuous stream of energy to her.

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: When you are not concerned what is being projected to her is that there is no expression to be concerned of.

DEB: Okay. Well that kind of feeds right into my next question, is how she can change her manifestation sometimes within a matter of moments? Like at one moment she can be acting like she’s very ill and weak, and the next minute she can be up and jumping around and just being like she’s on the top of the world...

ELIAS: Which...

DEB: And I just kind of look at her and think, “Wow.”

ELIAS: Which is quite understandable. As I expressed to you, they exist in the moment.

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: They are always present in the now, therefore what is occurring in one moment may not be occurring in the next moment. And in that, it also is associated with attention and energy. In one moment she may be paying attention to your energy and she may be responding to that. In another moment she may be distracted by another individual’s energy and her response shall be entirely different.

DEB: Yeah. I see that so much. In the days that she’s here with my son and daughter and their dog, you know, I’ll come home and she’ll just be happy and goofy and crazy. And then, you know, sometimes in the middle of the night she’ll have another one of these episodes, even after having a few days of being well. You know, and I’m starting to feel, oh good she’s doing well, doing well, and then crash.

ELIAS: But even in...

DEB: But I’m like, how can you be like from one moment to the next...

ELIAS: But even in the time frameworks in which you are pleased that she is expressing well and is displaying healthy behavior, you continue to incorporate that underlying apprehension and fear and concern that it shall possibly end.

DEB: Yes. I know that. I know I do that.

ELIAS: And that it shall possibly return.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore your energy is continuously being careful.

DEB: Yes, watchful.

ELIAS: And cautious.

DEB: Yes, yes, I understand.

ELIAS: And in that, there is a continuous stream of that energy being projected. And therefore in your nighttime hours or your early morning hours she may be responding to that energy, for it is not being interrupted or distracted by other energies.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: For her attention is, for the most part, with you if you are present.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: It can be distracted in different moments by other individuals.

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: But within those hours of your day there is quiet and there is no distraction, therefore her attention is focused upon your energy.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: Rather than incorporating a distraction from other individuals...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...which would interrupt that energy connection…

DEB: Okay. So see, this is where I get kind of confused, Elias, in the fact that she creates her own reality. Because when I talked to you about this, what I am hearing is that it’s my energy of apprehension or concern about her that’s causing her to manifest...

ELIAS: Not CAUSING; influencing.

DEB: But she is choosing to do it her own self?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay, okay.

ELIAS: The manifestation is her choice.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: How she expresses the response to your energy is her choice.

DEB: Then why does she choose that? Is she... I mean, is there a message in this for me?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: And what would that be?

ELIAS: Which we discussed in our previous conversation. The reason that she chooses to respond in this type of manner is that throughout your interaction with this creature in all of the time framework that you have been together and have interacted together, this is a familiar energy that you project.

DEB: Yeah.

ELIAS: And initially it was projected in association with SOME manifestation that YOU deemed to be a problem.

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: Let me offer you a hypothetical example.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: A creature - let us incorporate a familiarity - a puppy may be playing and may generate an action in playing that is physically damaging. Let us express that perhaps the puppy is playing, and perhaps a child may be playing with the puppy, and perhaps the child is playing with a toy such as a wagon. And perhaps the child moves the wagon in a manner in which it rolls over the puppy’s tail.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: Perhaps the puppy’s tail may be broken.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: Now; the puppy may incorporate an initial reaction to that encounter and that experience, BUT if there is no energy in response to it in the manner that you would express with a child the puppy will not generate a negative association, will not incorporate an ongoing fear of the wagon or the child. The puppy will remain in the now, and it will not continue to incorporate a fear or an apprehension concerning such an object as the wagon.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: BUT if the humans surrounding the puppy react to that experience with a strong energy of concern, and if the humans continue to express that concern in relation to the wagon being protective of the puppy in the presence of the wagon, they continue to place the threat of the wagon in the present.

DEB: Ah-ha. Okay.

ELIAS: The puppy itself is not generating the association of the threat of the wagon in each moment. BUT the individuals interacting with the puppy can generate that association and therefore project that type of energy in an ongoing manner.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: Thusly that energy becomes familiar...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...to the creature. And that energy of concern is expressing to the creature that there is some expression that is wrong...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...that is worthy of their concern. And therefore the creature is quite likely to continue to generate behaviors or manifestations in response to that energy. It is, in a manner of speaking, a response of the creature that this is expected.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: This must be what is occurring and is what is expected, and this is the response that is expected, for this is the energy that they are continuing to project in the present. And therefore there is a strong likelihood that they will choose manifestations or behaviors that are familiar.

DEB: Okay. Well I can see...I can see so much of that when I look back over the things that happened, you know, with Shengela since we’ve had her. You know she had a broken leg one time. She had pancreatitis. She had coccidiosis. She had all of these major things, which each time it happened I think it ramped up even more of my energy of protectiveness and worry and apprehension about her. So really it’s become like a self-fulfilling prophesy.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, you are correct.

DEB: Okay. So...

ELIAS: And this is the point, once you understand that yes, the creature is choosing the manifestation...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...and how to express it. BUT also, yes the creature is being INFLUENCED by the energy that you are projecting. It is the reverse of what you think.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: You think that you become concerned AFTER she manifests.

DEB: Okay. But that’s not the case?

ELIAS: No. What began the cycle is one experience, the first experience that created the concern.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: Once that experience occurred, you began to move in the direction of being protective....

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: ...and once you moved in that direction of being protective, you began to project this energy of concern continuously...

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: ...whether or not a manifestation was being expressed.

DEB: Yes, that’s true.

ELIAS: And therefore there have been continuing manifestations.

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: Once you understand what the cycle is and what is occurring and how the energy is being interpreted, the differences in the languages, you can alter that.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: And do not delude yourself in thinking that when you are sleeping you are not projecting energy and you are relaxed.

DEB: (Laughs) Okay.

ELIAS: For many times individuals are NOT relaxed when they are sleeping.

DEB: Well, I must not be, because that’s a lot of times when she’ll have the worst coughing and syncopal episodes, is during the night.

ELIAS: Many times when you are sleeping you are projecting the energy that you naturally or normally project in an unfiltered manner.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: For within waking time frameworks it is possible for you to distract yourself from projecting that type of energy intentionally. BUT if it is an ongoing familiar energy, it is quite likely that the individual within sleep-state shall unfilteredly project that type or energy without interruption.

DEB: Well, I’m not surprised at your saying that. I mean, it makes perfect, perfect sense to me because I always look on myself as a fixer. If there’s a problem, I need to attend to it. You know, and when I perceive that she has a problem then, like I say, it just, just ramps up that even more. My question is, would it be a good idea, Elias, if I did not have her sleep in the same room as I do? Would that be helpful to her and to me?

ELIAS: It is a choice. It may temporarily be helpful to YOU.

DEB: As far as her, though, it wouldn’t really make any difference?

ELIAS: Helpful to her is not the point in this situation, for helpful to her is helpful to you.

DEB: Okay, all right. (Elias chuckles) . All right, I got ya (Laughs) All right...

ELIAS: Therefore...

DEB: All right. Well, that makes perfect sense.

ELIAS: ...what is...

DEB: That answers a lot of my questions. Basically the feelings that I’ve been getting and the perceptions that I’ve been getting about this is that I just need to come to grips with and stop anticipating problems. Realizing that whatever she manifests is her choice that I am not responsible for it, and I shouldn’t be looking for the next dark cloud to float over...

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: ...and just to enjoy her in every moment that we are together.

ELIAS: Correct. And also let me express to you, do not discount yourself. You are correct, you do incorporate a natural inclination and a PREFERENCE to be fixing.

DEB: Oh, I surely do

ELIAS: Therefore rather than denying that and rather than viewing that as a negative element of yourself, merely move your attention as to WHAT to fix.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: Rather than projecting your attention to her and attempting to fix HER, move your attention to you...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...and fix you.

DEB: Okay. All right, that sounds like wonderfully good advice. And I’m going to be working on it. It’s very hard for me I have really very automatic responses to things sometimes. And I felt like - ( chuckles) I guess before today talking to you, I felt like that I’m making some progress in that way.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: But I’m not doing as well as I want to be doing because I’m continuing to see those manifestations in her.

ELIAS: This is not...

DEB: (inaudible-both speaking at once)

ELIAS: NO, NO, NO, NO, do not discount yourself...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...for you are expressing, “I am not expressing as well as I want to be or as I should be.” This is incorrect.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: For you are offering yourself information more and more, and you are noticing more and more.

DEB: Well, I feel like I am.

ELIAS: Yes, and that is significant, for you are paying attention. And you are recognizing; you are recognizing the differences in responses to your energy and other individuals’ energy. That offers you information and it allows you to open to RELAX yourself and acknowledge yourself. You also are offering yourself information as you observe all three of the creatures, not merely just the one. Therefore do not express that you are not accomplishing or that you are not expressing well enough, for you are. You are continuously offering yourself more and more information, and you are paying attention and you are noticing, and that is significant.

DEB: Oh good, good. I’ve certainly been trying. (Elias laughs) It’s a mission for me. You know it’s not an easy thing for me to do after 51 or so many years of doing it the other way.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

DEB: But I am, I do feel like I’m making some progress toward that so I am happy. (Elias chuckles)

What is my thing, Elias, with my intense bond with my creatures? I just get so emotionally bonded to them, and I think that’s some of the reason that I worry and try to protect them so is that thinking of the loss of one of my creatures is just emotionally and heartbreakingly wrenching to me.

ELIAS: And what motivates you to project to that?

DEB: Fear. It’s a fear of being sad.

ELIAS: But that is also a projection of an anticipated event rather than paying attention to what you are doing now.

DEB: Yes, that’s exactly right. Did it have anything to do with my alignment with Milumet family?

ELIAS: Quite definitely.

DEB: Okay, okay.

ELIAS: That is a very strong influence, for this is a natural quality of that family.

DEB: All right. Well, it’s a bummer sometimes. (Laughs) It makes it very hard for me to, you know, I can just, you know, think about when she’s not doing well, think about the time when I might find her disengaged or whatever, and I can just move myself to tears in a matter of seconds.

ELIAS: I am aware...

DEB: I’m thinking it has to be something to do with that bond because of my family alignment that causes me to be kind of tending to want to go that way.

ELIAS: I am aware, but that can also be avoided by reminding yourself that that is not occurring now.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: And that...

DEB: Stay in the present.

ELIAS: It is unnecessary and PAINFUL...

DEB: Yes!

ELIAS: ...to project futurely. Therefore in moments in which you recognize that you are doing that, perhaps enquire of yourself why you are choosing to inflict painfulness upon yourself.

DEB: That’s a good point. I hadn’t thought of that.

ELIAS: And what would motivate you to do that rather than enjoy and appreciate what you are creating now?

DEB: Oh god! That is so insightful. I was not even looking on it as inflicting pain on myself; I mean, I just took that as the natural by-product of the event that I was thinking of. Not that I was choosing to do that to myself, just that I was thinking of that particular sad event in the future and that’s how I would respond to it. But I understand what you are saying.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: And so again it all goes back to discounting of myself.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Uh, god, I must really not like myself very well sometimes. (Laughs)

ELIAS: I would disagree. I would express that this is just familiar.

DEB: Okay, yeah it is. It’s a bad habit. I’ve been doing it for a long time. So I understand, I understand where you are coming from.

ELIAS: But the more you understand of what you are actually doing...

DEB: Yes.

ELIAS: ...the more you can view it in a clearer manner...

DEB: Okay.

ELLIAS: ... and in that, you can more clearly evaluate within yourself, Ah yes, what would motivate me to generate hurtfulness with myself when in this moment I recognize that I also incorporate the choice not to...

DEB: ..not to do that. All right.

ELIAS: ...that this is a choice, and I can choose to be appreciating what I am creating now rather than anticipating some future event that has not occurred and inflicting painfulness upon myself.

DEB: That does seem pretty silly when you put it that way. (Both laugh) Ah god, does that have anything to do with why my little boy puppy has a crooked front leg? That does not seem to bother him at all, and I take that as a message to that maybe he’s trying to tell me, “Look, this is not quite as you might think it should be but it’s working just fine.”

ELIAS: Correct. (Both laugh)

DEB: Okay. He’s a darling creature, he truly is. Boy, he is so eccentric. (Elias laughs) All right, okay. Well, I think I’ve got a handle on some of the things that you are trying to tell me here. (Elias laughs) So I’m going to be working on that. You know, one thing I have to relate to you, during all this time the last several weeks, with all these changes and with her manifesting different things, my asthma has not really been a problem to me, which I would have expected it to given the fact that I quite often I manifest that when I’m kind of emotionally wacky towards myself. Is that - is the reason for that is because I’ve been projecting my energy outwards towards her instead of towards myself?

ELIAS: Partially, but also that is a slight part...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...for more so this is not manifesting, for you are generating movement.

DEB: Oh good, excellent.

ELIAS: You are accomplishing. As much as you discount yourself and express to yourself that you are not accomplishing, you actually are.

DEB: Well, in moments I feel it and in moments I don’t. Sometimes I’m a pretty good straight little sapling, and sometimes I’m just quite convoluted and goofy.

ELIAS: Ah, but in those convoluted moments you are offering yourself considerable information.

DEB: Yes, and I am trying to pay attention, I am, I truly am.

ELIAS: Which, that is purposeful also.

DEB: Okay. Do animals ever use behavior to manipulate people? or manipulate situations?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Well, when I was talking to Maria, who you just spoke to a couple of days ago about my puppies, she said, ”I think Shengela knows how to push your mommy buttons.” Meaning that she was feeling that Shengela was manifesting some of these things because she knew that if she did mommy would sit up and pay attention to her. Is there any truth in that?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

DEB: Again because of the familiarity of energy that we share?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: And it is a response to you.

DEB: Okay, all right. And I guess before when you said that it made me feel like whatever, that in a way again that kind of put me in the responsible seat or if something happened that I didn’t like that I was going to be blaming myself for something that I had projected that I didn’t want to have happen anyway but I did because I was so inept. (Elias laughs) So I think I’m very good at like kind of turning some information, parts of it, around to discount myself, when that’s not really what you were trying to say at all.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: Okay, all right.

ELIAS: That is not what I am expressing.

DEB: All right. Responsibility, I have found, is one of my core truths. Mary and I were talking about your session, at the last group session, about identification of core truths...

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: ...that people have.

ELLIAS: Yes.

DEB: And I kind of feel like that that’s kind of one of my major ones.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I’m kind of responsible for the whole damn world and everything that happens in it (Elias laughs), so I’m trying to convince myself that I am. So I have been trying to step back in those areas and work on that a little bit.

ELIAS: And remember: This is a guideline. It is not bad.

DEB: No, I know.

ELIAS: It does serve you. And...

DEB: It’s not bad as long as it doesn’t make me feel bad.

ELIAS: But...

DEB: Right?

ELIAS: That occurs when you are opposing your own guideline.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: If you are not opposing your guideline and acknowledging yourself IN your guideline, you shall engage choices that will not oppose yourself.

DEB: Okay. And I guess my question would be that in not opposing myself in my core truth of responsibility... See, that’s where I can get kind of confused in my responsibility towards taking care of my creatures. And so I need to be working on taking responsibility for them in a not worryful, not anticipatory, not looking for bad things to happen way.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: And being responsible for them by being responsible for you.

DEB: Okay, all right. Well said, well said.

ELIAS: Being responsible for YOUR actions, your behaviors, and your energy, and therefore being responsible to them.

DEB: All right, all right. Well, that makes perfect sense to me. Thank you for that.


ELIAS: You are welcome.

DEB: All right, let me ask you something else. Mary and I have had such a wonderful relationship lately. And I feel like probably we have shared past focuses together. Can you tell me yes or no about that?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay, and I’m also wondering if in our past focuses did we have a relationship concerning animals or the care of animals.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Because we’re both just so ramped up about creatures.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: That’s one thing that we so enjoy sharing with each other.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I get the impression that maybe were we like shepherds or something like that involved in the caretaking of a herd of creatures.

ELIAS: In one focus, yes.

DEB: Okay, can you give me any clues about any other animal shared focuses we may have had?

ELIAS: Very well. I may express you do incorporate another focus in which you share the caring for and relationship with horses.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: You also incorporate a focus together in which you engage healing with creatures of many different types, but not in the form of what you view as modern veterinarian physicians.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: More so in a Celtic healing of many different creatures domestic and what you term to be wild.

DEB: Okay. ...of many different creatures...

ELIAS: You also incorporate a focus which each of you draws energy from in this focus in which together you incorporate MANY canines.

DEB: Really?! (Laughs) Okay... many canines.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay, that’s probably why we both think that Cesar Millan is just the cat’s pajamas. (Both laugh) And what do we do with these many canines in these other focuses? Just love them and have them around, or are they useful as hunting animals or guard animals or something else?

ELIAS: Some of them do perform some functions in relation to the chores that YOU incorporate. It is a significant amount of land that you tend...

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: ...but most of them are companions.

DEB: All right. And wonderful companions they are too. (Elias chuckles)

Tell me, do my husband and I share some type of a relationship with Gordon Lightfoot? Because we both feel that we do.

ELIAS: Not in this focus, but...

DEB: No, in this focus we just appreciate his music and his Lyric, and it speaks to us and always has. So I’m wondering if past focuses have been shared or what relationships have been?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Does it have anything to do with my husband’s past focus as Alizier?

ELIAS: One, yes.

DEB: One. Okay, all right. Any other clues you would like to give me about that?

ELIAS: Shall you not investigate.? (Both laugh)

DEB: As far as my investigations go, Elias, it’s about as far as man, I really like that guy. His music and lyrics really touch me. We must be related somehow. (Elias laughs) And that’s about as far as it goes. I will, yes I will.

Can you tell me did I have a focus on the Titanic?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Well, I wondered. I have such a fear of deep water, and I don’t like to have water over my head. I never learned to swim. I just prefer not to be around it. So I was wondering if possibly that was because of that?

ELIAS: That is an influence, yes.

DEB: An influence, okay. Can you give me a name of which that focus might have been?

ELIAS: Ah, I will express to you to investigate.

DEB: (Laughs) All right, all right, I will.

ELIAS: For that information is available to you in other manners, and I may express in your research listen to your intuition.

DEB: Okay.

ELIAS: For it was not a survivor.

DEB: Okay, that was my next question. I get the impression that it was not someone that survived.

ELIAS: No.

DEB: All right. Let me also ask you quickly of my fear of guns, in that I can be in a room with other people and guns are in the gun cabinet and I’m just fine. But the minute someone takes one out or starts messing with it in any way I just feel an intense desire to leave, to get out of there. And my impression about that is possibly something to do with my Civil War focus, either that or something to do with my Lakota focus. Like if I was involved in a massacre situation or something along those lines.

ELIAS: Both, and other focuses also.

DEB: Okay, okay, all then, I will continue to work on that.

What connection do I have to Maria? Have we also shared past focuses?

ELIAS: Yes, and counterpart action.

DEB: Okay, yes and counterpart.

And could you tell me quickly about my alignment on my chakras? Are they pretty goofy? (Elias laughs) (Inaudible) not too bad. (Chuckles)

ELIAS: I would express not too bad.

DEB: I feel like if a have a problem with them at all it’s probably in the heart and lung section.

ELIAS: The green and the yellow.

DEB: Yes, okay, that’s what I was feeling. Last night I was feeling a very funny sensation in my chest, and I think it was my energy ramping up about talking to you. I didn’t think it was because of YOU in particular...

ELIAS: I am understanding, merely an apprehension.

DEB: Yes, yes. One last thing I want to ask you. My husband related a dream to me that he had the other night about his father. And he said that he had gone to the bathroom and his father was in the bathroom, and they were both in the process of like using the urinal, and he said there was just like urine spraying everywhere. And he had looked over at his father and his father had said something about, “I’m all right, Jimmy, I’m all right.” And he said he was just so heartfelt about expressing that to Jimmy that he was all right, he was fine. And Jimmy said, ”What do you make of that dream?” And I said, “Well, I don’t know.” I said, ”I’ll talk to Elias and see if he can give us some clues.” Does it have anything to do with dispelling bad feelings or things that have gone on between my husband and his father in the past?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay. Can you be any more specific about that that I can relate to him?

ELIAS: You may express to him that what is significant is to be present and not to incorporate harshness or blame but to allow a genuine expression of gentleness.

DEB: Okay. It’s kind of funny that he had that dream, because yesterday afternoon his father called him, which he rarely does. (Elias chuckles) And his - most of his talking was things that have happened, you know, 70 years ago but Jimmy said he almost seemed to be kind of invigorated by that. (Elias chuckles) And so I said, ”Well, you know, there’s probably no accident or coincidence that your father happened to call you after you had that dream.” (Laughs)

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: Okay, so he needs to not incorporate harshness or blame and incorporate gentleness with his father.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I wanted to thank you for all of the blue energy and butterflies that I have seen lately.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

DEB: They are very helpful to me. I told Maria the other day when I was talking to her, I said, ”You know, lately,” I said, ”I trust Elias and what he says so much more than I trust myself.” And I know that that’s not what you want me to do.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: So I...

ELIAS: BUT...

DEB: ...I have to keep working on it, but I do so appreciate it when I see validations like that from you.

ELIAS: But I may express to you, temporarily this is acceptable, and eventually perhaps it shall be replaced with the trust of you EQUAL to the trust of myself.

DEB: Well I think the more I hear you validate some of the things that I have been thinking, it helps me to do that, to be more trustful of myself.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: One last funny question. I’m trying to think of how to say this. In any of our past focuses together, Elias, have we been intimate?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay. (Elias laughs) Because sometimes when my husband and I are intimate I see blue.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

DEB: Okay, and it makes me think of you and I’ve always had that impression, and I know you said in our Civil War focus, anyway, that we shared that we were just friends.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: And I kept thinking, yeah I know, but I keep seeing blue. (Elias laughs) And in those times I think it’s just maybe a little reminder of investigate further.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Okay. (Elias laughs) Oh, thank you so much, my friend.

ELIAS: You are...

DEB: You are such a help for me today.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

DEB: And I will continue with my working on my remembering of how not to be anticipating bad things in the future and living in the moment. And incorporating your energies that you sent to me, because I know you do.

ELIAS: And I shall continue to do so.

DEB: Oh, thank you so very much. Well, I’m going to say good bye now, because I know Mary has to be going here in a very brief time, but thank you again.

How was my Lakota pronunciation, by the way? Was it not too far off?

ELIAS: Quite accurate.

DEB: (Laughs) Oh good, yeah, thank you for that. (Elias laughs) All right, well then, until we speak again.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I shall be continuing to offer my energy to you and perhaps reminding you not to be so very discounting of yourself. (Laughs)

DEB: I will be working on it, I promise. I feel better when I do work on it. (Both laugh) All right then, take care, my friend. We will talk again.

ELIAS: Very well, to you in great appreciation and tremendous lovingness, au revoir.

DEB: Au revoir, my dear.

(Elias departs after 57 minutes, 33 seconds.)

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