Tuesday, December 2, 2014 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Katrina

ELIAS: Good morning!

KATRINA: Good morning.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And how are you proceeding?

KATRINA: I’m still in the process.

ELIAS: Ah, and how is the process proceeding? (Chuckles)

KATRINA: Oh, I wanted to ask you, when I was going to school, I got on the elevator and a butterfly flew in the elevator. I was thinking like that was really abnormal. Was that you, the butterfly?

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles)

KATRINA: I did notice.

ELIAS: Congratulations. (Chuckles)

KATRINA: It was so weird, a butterfly flew in the elevator and the door closed, and I started laughing to myself.

My second question is I was noticing attractiveness, and my teacher – I’m not physically attracted to him – but he has this attractiveness about him. I was wondering what that is, because it’s nothing physical that I like about him. And it’s not just me; other people in the classroom noticed it. I was wondering what was that?

ELIAS: I would express that what you are noticing is an energy of self-satisfaction and comfort, that this individual is comfortable with themself and satisfied, perhaps not in every direction, but for the most part is also satisfied with themselves. Therefore, that projects an easy energy rather than a fragmented or a difficult energy. It also projects an energy of being approachable, for when an individual is comfortable with themself, they generally are more open, and that translates to other individuals as being easy and approachable.

In this, I would also express that it also projects an energy of confidence, which is very attractive to most individuals. Most people do notice when an individual projects that energy of self-confidence, for when an individual is comfortable with themself and confident, they do project an energy that is easy. They are not projecting an energy of being more than or knowing more than. They project an energy that is open, and that expresses, in a manner of speaking, no-thing to be proving and not questioning themself, and that becomes very attractive to most other individuals around them. For, I would express that most of you, whether you are aware or not, want to be expressing that type of comfort and confidence within yourself and therefore generating that type of easy and open energy, and that is what attracts most individuals.

That, you are correct, may not incorporate anything in the direction of an actual physical appearance attraction. The individual may not be physically attractive by the standards of your society, but it matters not, for that energy overrides the guidelines of the physical expressions that dictate what is attractive or what should be attractive and what should not be, physically.

KATRINA: My next question is I wanted to ask some black history questions, because I was looking at the Ferguson situation. I’ve had these questions for a while, and I just wanted to come at it from a different perspective, like an energetic perspective. So, I wanted you to help me out with this one. From my understanding of the material, in order to physically manifest scenarios in your life, you have to do some version of project, reflect and choose. Am I right?

ELIAS: Yes.

KATRINA: So, initially in the beginning of the slave trade, there was an energy from the white people of defeat, initially, and then it grew into control, dominance and superiority? Now, am I right about that? Like initially, but it kind of evolved into...?

ELIAS: In varying degrees, yes, I would agree.

KATRINA: I’ve always had a question about this. With the Africans of the time, what type of energy did they have, to subject themselves to what they went through from being slaves and being brought to America?

ELIAS: Very well. This, in actuality, is an interesting question and an interesting direction to explore in relation to energy and what individuals project or what groups of individuals project that create these types of scenarios.

Now; let me express to you that in that time framework in which slave trade was initiated and also becoming a popular and lucrative direction or business, in a manner of speaking, it is not only significant to look at or evaluate the individuals that were engaging in the business aspect of it but also, as you have stated, to look at the individuals that became the slaves and what their direction was.

Now; in this, first of all, it is important to recognize that at that time, most of the existing countries in the continent of Africa were less developed in what you term to be civilization.

Now; civilizations are, in your terms, defined by the expression of individuals that group together and that move in the development of their surroundings. They are moving in a direction of developing specific cultures, therefore generating specific philosophies and using those philosophies to develop cultures that will allow them to explore and expand and discover their abilities and what they can achieve.

Now; obviously, as groups of individuals move in those directions, they also somewhat automatically move in directions of dominance, for there is an aspect of competition that is expressed in this development of cultures and societies that you term to be civilization.

Now; in that time framework, most of the continent of Africa, in relation to the native individuals of Africa – not other individuals that settled in Africa, but in relation to the native individuals, very similar to the native individuals of America – these groups of individuals generally had not developed in that type of expression yet of developing civilizations in relation to expanding societies. Yes, they did incorporate some elements of their own individual cultures, but they were relatively expressed in smaller groups.

This is another factor of the expansion in relation to societies and what you identify as civilization is that there is an expansion that includes more and more and more individuals; it grows as a group. And generally speaking, most of the native individuals of Africa, as I expressed in similar manner to the native individuals in the Americas both north and south, were continuing to be expressed in small groups of individuals. You term them or identify them to be tribes; I would more express that the word “families” would be more accurate, for in relation to these small groups, they generally were what you would term to be large extended families.

Now; in that, also in your terms, in your present terms and in the terms of what was identified as the civilized world at the time, these small groups of individuals, although there were very many of them, they were viewed as relatively primitive, the reason being that they had not evolved yet to that development of forming much larger groups and therefore forming societies and civilizations. In this, they were continuing in that developmental stage that you would identify as hunter-gatherers, once again very similar to the native individuals of the Americas. In this, the general expression of these individuals in Africa and in the Americas was not perceiving themselves as tremendously powerful, for that was not significantly important to them yet.

Therefore in that, with other families, or tribes as you term them to be, they were somewhat evenly matched, for most of these families, most of these tribes were in the same developmental stage. Then you introduce the factor of groups of individuals that have moved to a different developmental stage, that have moved into the development of societies and civilization and have expanded their knowledge, expanded their philosophies, expanded their capabilities, expanded their abilities in relation to what they invent, what they create, and in that, yes, a part of what they create, a significant part of what they create, is meant to serve the purpose of dominating. Therefore, more and more and more advanced weaponry, more advanced expressions of restraint allow them to dominate. In that, their natural direction in that stage of their evolution is to seek out anything that they can dominate but also whatever they can use.

KATRINA: So, they kind of took advantage of the situation.

ELIAS: In that, in relation to the families or the tribes that existed in Africa in relation to the environment, most of the individuals in that continent were what you would term to be of hardy stock, for that was necessary in that environment. It remains so to this day, for that is the configuration of that environment.

The human species develops and adapts in different areas of your world in relation to the type of environment that is expressed in different areas of your world, which also creates very different presentments of images. Individuals that are native to Africa express a very different image from individuals that are native to the Himalayas.

In this, the discovery of these tribes for the other individuals was an excellent and easy resource of strong stock. For the individuals that were native, it is not necessarily that they were projecting an energy of being victims; I would express definitely not.

KATRINA: I agree.

ELIAS: But they also were ill equipped to express themselves competitively with what was presented to them. They were accustomed to competition with other families or other tribes but a very different type of competition. Because…

KATRINA: So the white people at that time, they had to develop quickly because of their environment, and people in Africa could develop a little slower because the environment was easier?

ELIAS: Once again, this is an interesting question, for that would be the logical, rational answer, although not necessarily the correct answer. For I would express that the same was being expressed in the Americas, and the environment was very different. What I would express is the cultures and the civilizations that developed in a manner of exploration and expansion and also in the exploration of abilities and what could be created outwardly, these cultures centered around the area, the physical area in your world, of the Mediterranean first.

Now; this is not to say that there were not other societies that were older or were expressed much sooner than that development of civilization, but there was a difference. In that, in that area it was not only the physical location, although that is a significant piece, that lent to the development of civilization in the capacity that it did. But also in that, as the civilization developed, the reasonable direction to move in was north. Therefore, in that, there was early conquering and therefore early developing and rapid developing. For in that, I would express that the groups of individuals or the families or the tribes of individuals that occupied the northern part of what you view now to be Europe, those were also small groups, but they developed very quickly with the motivation to not be dominated.

In this, the expansion of the development of civilizations for a considerable time framework in your history was occupying a relatively small area of your planet. The other areas of your planet, which actually consist of more actual physical area, several continents – Africa, the Americas, Australia, the Far East – these are actually, in relation to land mass, much vaster areas that incorporated very similar expressions of native individuals.

It was merely in these small areas such as Europe and the northern most aspects of Africa that the development of civilizations were expressed and expanded and flourished and moved in very different directions of expansion. The rest of your world, for the most part, was continuing in that stage of hunter-gathers. Even in eastern areas, the Orient, although they incorporated small groups of individuals that did expand physically and philosophy-wise, those small groups were the dominating factors, and they did not actually create the types of civilizations that were created in Northern Africa and in Europe. The mass population in the Orient was also hunters and gathers.

This is the reason that the individuals that you classify now as Caucasian express the ability to dominate so well, for most of the rest of your world was not developed to that point. That is definitely not to say that the rest of your world was creating an energy of being victims – they definitely were not – but they did succumb to being dominated to a degree.

Now; also recognize that as many individuals as were involved of native Africans in the slave trade as being slaves, as being captured, it was not the majority of individuals. It was a relatively small percentage of individuals that were captured or were involved initially in that direction of the slave trade. There were considerably more individuals that continued in their natural development and that were not a part of that direction, that era of competition, and not a part of that slave trade.

KATRINA: I never thought about it that way.

ELIAS: Let me also express to you another factor in this, which is generally not considered in relation to what is being expressed. Of the individuals that did participate in that action and were in the position of being slaves, they also did incorporate another purpose in creating an infusion in relation to human stock. I would express to you that if you were to express in the direction of questioning which essence family would be most aligned with which continent or which area of your world, the Borledim family would be most closely associated with the continent of Africa. Therefore, also in an energetic expression, not a moral or ethical expression, but in an energetic expression, this also created an avenue to infuse a different aspect of human stock into other areas of your world. I am understanding that the method may not have been desirable, but it did accomplish.

In this, also, I would express that these are very much examples of what I have expressed previously, the dominant male energy that has been expressed throughout your history and what a significant difference there is in relation to shifting that and expressing a female dominating energy in this time framework. Even still you continue to display remnants of that male energy, but relatively speaking, I would express that in this time framework, in your history presently, as much as you may be aware of unrest, in a manner of speaking, you are actually creating less war and conflict presently than you have ever in your history, and you are more aware of whatever conflict you are creating. You are more aware of it globally.

KATRINA: Okay, I can agree with that. (Both laugh) So, the Africans that were brought to America, then, after slavery was over, they still had different beliefs and perceptions about themselves and about the world around them, and also so did white people. Do you think now – and I’m trying to tie it in for the Ferguson situation – do you think now with that situation and other situations like that, that’s remnants of that dominant and exploring energy?

ELIAS: First of all, before I respond to that...

KATRINA: The reason why I put it like that is because I know time is running out, and I do want to ask that question.

ELIAS: What is your perception of that situation? What is your opinion?

KATRINA: My opinion of the situation when it comes to the African-American perspective would be a sense of empowerment, wanting empowerment, wanting to be self-sufficient, wanting to create more for themselves. It’s also a type of lashing-out type of energy, maybe a defense, a defensive energy.

ELIAS: And that is your opinion of that situation? That particular situation, or that is your opinion in general?

KATRINA: That’s my opinion in general.

ELIAS: And what would of that situation be?

KATRINA: Of that particular situation? That particular situation, I think, he was expressing “you’re not going to treat me this certain type of way; I want to stand up for myself; I’m not a victim.” That’s the type of energy I was getting from that.

ELIAS: And what is your opinion beyond that?

KATRINA: When you say “beyond that,” what do you mean?

ELIAS: In that, what is your assessment of the result of that type of expression or the consequence of it?

KATRINA: The police officer…?

ELIAS: Is the consequence...

KATRINA: What is my opinion of the consequence? Well, I don’t think that he should have used excessive force on him. I don’t believe he should have done that. But like you said, when it comes to energy, it was the energy that they were both expressing.

ELIAS: I would agree, and I would express that in this, it may not necessarily be as much a question of each of the individuals for you and for many individuals, but more so it may be a question of whether you actually agree with or disagree with the expression of force. That may be more so the subject that is disagreed with, more so than the actual interaction or even altercation between two individuals. For in that, had the availability of the weaponry been eliminated, the altercation between the two individuals may have been expressed very differently.

KATRINA: I agree.

ELIAS: Therefore, in this, it is not as black and white as black and white (both laugh) and not as absolute as what you think of as different cultures or different expressions. It is more a matter of whether you agree with what you have established in your societies, and that is becoming a factor that is being questioned. That is the underlying aspect that is creating the dissension with individuals and the discomfort with individuals that they are labeling as the expression of justice or the lack of justice.

In that, I would express that, in actuality, the word “justice” is very fitting in a situation such as this, for justice is more served when all individuals are more evenly matched. Justice is not expressed when there is an imbalance. If one individual incorporates more ability to dominate in a situation, then it is not balanced, and in that, it is not actually an expression of justice.

KATRINA: I agree with that.

ELIAS: Therefore, in actuality, I would express that the individuals that participate in these scenarios are not as much the problem, so to speak, as how you collectively as a society have implemented expressing the abilities of the individuals by what is afforded to them in relation to position, which is being questioned.

I would express that in that situation, what was, in a manner of speaking, on trial – which I am aware it was not an actual trial – but what was on trial in that situation was not actually the individuals, the people that were involved; what was on trial in that situation were positions, the position of an individual and the other position of an authority of the individual, that they are not balanced, that they are in positions of roles that are not balanced and are not matched. Therefore, it is not the people or who they are or who they were that is necessarily being questioned, but rather the positions and the roles that each of them occupied, and the recognition that collectively as societies you have created both of those roles. You have created the roles of the authorities but you have also created the roles of individuals that are subject to the authorities.

KATRINA: That’s true.

ELIAS: Therefore, you have designated some individuals to be afforded power and some individuals to not be afforded power, which is not balanced.

KATRINA: It’s not balanced. So, the individuals who are not afforded power, what they can personally do is pay attention in each moment as far as knowing their power and expressing it in everyday life, to know that you can create your reality?

ELIAS: Yes, and in that, being responsible to self and therefore also not moving in directions of what is expected of the powerless. And what is expected of the powerless is that in most situations they will compromise and they will acquiesce, and they are also expected to rebel. They are expected to express opposition, and in that, we return to your first expression of asking what the attractiveness of the teacher is. (Katrina laughs) An individual that is comfortable with themself, is aware of themself, is satisfied with themself has no motivation to be opposing of other individuals, is not motivated to be rebelling, for the individual that is comfortable and satisfied with themself has no-thing to be proving to themself or to anyone else.

KATRINA: Do you think that mentality comes from, as you said in the beginning of the conversation, us being in a situation of not knowing ourselves and being subjected to that...

ELIAS: Very much...

KATRINA: ...type of treatment, and it being passed down from one generation to the next?

ELIAS: Very much so; very, very much so. This is what you are taught. You are taught not to pay attention. You are taught to think but not think in relation to questioning your reality. You are taught to analyze but not evaluate what you are doing. You are taught to follow.

KATRINA: Okay, and also with the white people, they are taught to continue to dominate and express some type of superiority?

ELIAS: I would express that that may be somewhat of a generalization and a exaggeration, for I would express that in certain cultures and in certain countries, yes, that would be correct in relation to that ethnic group; as a whole, not necessarily. I would express that there are, in actuality, equally as many what you term to be white individuals that are in a position of not authority and in a position of being dominated and in a position of less-than as there are any other ethnic group.

KATRINA: So if that’s the case, then how come with our black ethnic group there is more mass incarceration?

ELIAS: Ah!

Now; that is an entirely different direction, and what I would express to you is that for different groups of individuals – the African-American group of individuals, the Hispanic-American group of individuals, not quite some other ethnic groups yet, although they are beginning to move in that direction – what I would express is they have incorporated movements in relation to expressing themselves. In a manner of speaking, what these individuals or this group of individuals has done is you have moved from one extreme, swinging the pendulum in one direction, to swinging the pendulum in the other direction of expression and not being quiet.

Now; in finding your voice, that is the first step in moving more into a position of balance, not quite being balanced yet, but moving more in that direction and being more empowered. Therefore, in that, what happens when an individual that is being dominated finds their voice?

KATRINA: Kind of a rebellion type of situation.

ELIAS: What happens is it threatens the individual that is in the position of authority. Therefore, what happens when that individual finds their voice is that that energy is threatening to the other individual, and they naturally begin to oppose it. The dominating individual opposes the individual that has found their voice, for it threatens them, and therefore, they respond or react in defense, and in their defense, they express in aggression.

Now; the reason that there are statistically more African-American individuals that are incarcerated or that even are observed, let us say, in compromising situations – for it is not necessarily that they engage more but that they are caught more – and in this, one of the reasons is that they are not being quiet any longer. In that, they are more noticed and they are more targeted, for they present the threat.

I would express that in certain areas of your country, Hispanic-Americans experience very similarly. Not to the ratio throughout the country as the African-Americans do, but they have not incorporated as much time in that position of a threat. The African individuals have been presenting a threat for approximately almost two hundred years in finding their voices, and those individuals in the positions of authority do not like them to find their voice and therefore generate that defense, which creates the automatic reaction of opposition and attempting to squelch that voice. If you are in a position of authority, you definitely do not want individuals to challenge you and to express their voice in non-compliance – not necessarily opposition but non-compliance with you – for that becomes threatening. Therefore, the automatic reaction is to squash that.

If a bee is generating honey, you like it, and you leave it alone. If it is working and it is generating the honey, it is acceptable. If the bee stings you, you will likely kill it.

KATRINA: So, pay attention to yourself, know your worth, know your power and create your reality.

ELIAS: Plus your own confidence and be responsible to you, for in doing so, you automatically generate the by-product of being responsible to every other individual and not opposing them.

KATRINA: Okay. Well, thanks for my history lesson.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You are very welcome, my friend. (Both laugh) But I would also be very encouraging of you. Be responsible to you, which includes recognizing your voice.

I express tremendous encouragement to you, my dear friend, and I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting in wondrous support, and in encouragement to be you but not twist yourself for other individuals. (Both laugh)

KATRINA: Okay, Elias. And I want to see my butterfly again.

ELIAS: Very well. (Laughs) Until our next meeting my, dear friend, in wondrous lovingness to you as always, au revoir.

KATRINA: Bye.

(Elias departs after 63 minutes.)

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