Your Jewel of Independence Is the Action of Separation
“Your Jewel of Independence Is the Action of Separation”
“True Freedom Is Valuing Self and Recognizing Interconnection”
“Associations, Beliefs and Attachments with Physical Body Functionings”
“Blame and Anger Cloud Viable Avenues for Action”
“Questions About Focuses, the 2009 Financial Crisis, Michael Jackson and 9/11”
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 (Private/Phone)
ELIAS: Good evening!
ROSE: Good evening, Bashar. I said Bashar? Elias! Hi, Elias! (Both laugh) There was something on my computer which had to do with Bashar, that’s why I had this name in my mind. I know I’m speaking to Elias. Hello, Elias!
ELIAS: (Laughs) And hello to you!
ROSE: Did anybody ever call you Bashar?
ELIAS: Not until now.
ROSE: There’s always a first time. (Both laugh)
Very well. Okay. As I have plenty of questions and topics I would like to go right into it as always.
ELIAS: Very well.
ROSE: Okay. We start with brief, quick questions for some people. I would like to ask for Ann. She would like to know if her friend Michael from Dallas is, like she’s thinking Sumafi/Sumari or maybe Sumafi/Ilda?
ELIAS: The first.
ROSE: And is he political?
ROSE: And what kind of orientation?
ELIAS: And the impression?
ROSE: She gave me no impression, and I don’t know this person.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Common.
ROSE: Common; okay. Good. Next question: For my friend Crystal, she wants to know: “Do Pierre and I have something left over from another focus that makes me feel bound to him?”
ELIAS: It is not necessarily what you would term to be left over, but yes, there are connections, and in that there is a familiarity that can be associated with other focuses, yes.
ROSE: Okay. And she would like to know about her family, about essence family, alignment and so on. And she gave me no impression, and I have none.
ROSE: Oh, there is something… I would say Ilda.
ELIAS: Correct. That would be the alignment.
ELIAS: It would be Sumafi, alignment Ilda.
ROSE: And the orientation?
ELIAS: And your impression?
ROSE: Ah, I could think she would be soft or intermediate.
ROSE: And what is the focus type? Is she political, emotional or thought, or what is she?
ROSE: Emotional, okay. And her essence name?
ELIAS: Essence name: Maryan, M-A-R-Y-A-N.
ROSE: Okay. Thank you. Next question is for Aleksandar. It’s not really a question, it’s… He wrote me: “Can you, Elias, offer me a strong encouragement or argument that this is not just another enslavement of us all?” And what he means by this is, “This financial crisis with all its steps is irresistibly similar with the Great Depression of 1929. All my friends in this now live poorer and have more challenging life because of lack of money, including me.” He is suffering sometimes, I think, and has little down periods and he asked for encouragement.
ELIAS: I would offer encouragement that it is temporary. It is not another situation as what you viewed with the Great Depression; it is different. But I am acknowledging that it is significantly challenging for many, many individuals and masses of individuals. It is temporary, and it is a part of this Shift. And what the greatest part in this particular aspect of it is that part of genuinely moving more and more into being self-directed, therefore being less reliant, so to speak, upon old established systems.
Let me also express to you – which, this subject will be appearing more and more frequently – but another very significant aspect of this is redefining how you view yourselves as individuals and allowing yourselves to recognize more realistically and more genuinely how much your jewel of independence hinders you.
ROSE: Aha! Aha! Did you hear what I have being talking with Mary before? (Elias laughs) Did you sit like a little mouse in the corner and listen to the conversation?
ELIAS: No. But this is a significant subject that I have recently presented and will be presenting more and more and in more depth, for it is a considerably significant subject. For this is a subject that you all have perceived in very similar manners and you each incorporate VERY strong associations with and will be a significant change in shifting. This factor of independence has been your prized jewel throughout most of your history and therefore is also a jewel that will not easily be relinquished, for –
ROSE: This independence can be looked at from two sides. I mean, you can try to keep your independence up, like you want to defend it if somebody comes and wants to make you not independent, or you can give it up and kind of step into an orchestration with others. This is a very complex topic, and as soon as I try to ask about it, it slips away.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. It IS very complex subject, and it is one that is very deeply rooted in all of you. And in this, it will be challenging for each of you to address to this particular subject, for independence is an attachment to your identity. It is not a part of your genuine identity; it is an attachment. And in this, the most significant information to recognize in relation to independence is that independence itself is the act of moving from. It is the action of separation; and therefore, now it is beginning to be a point in which you are beginning to move in the direction of being ready to actually address to this particular attachment.
ROSE: Do you mean that you clearly kind of… I don’t know; now I lack language… that you say, “I am this and you are that and to make clear borders and limits to each other” and to struggle to keep this limit up? In other words, I would say as soon as you know who you are, you don’t need to fight so strong or need to be independent – you just ARE independent. You are yourself, and in being yourself you fit together with the others already very harmoniously. The more each person knows who they genuinely are, the less intensive it has to struggle to be different, to be a separate person because it fits together harmoniously without all this struggle again.
ELIAS: Yes, you are very correct. But – there are many, many aspects that are involved with independence, and it permeates all of your existence; and in that, it is attached to very much of your existence. In this, yes, you are correct.
If you genuinely are aware and know your genuine identity, who you are and what you are, it is no longer necessary for you to generate that separation of independence; and in that, it also allows you to move away from that very strong coupling of responsibility, for responsibility couples with independence very, very strongly.
In this, the more you become aware, the more you genuinely recognize and allow yourselves to be who you are and what you are, the less important independence and the responsibility – or the type of responsibility that couples itself with independence – becomes, which allows you the genuine freedom to move into interconnectedness and relationship with all else, which includes all other individuals.
In this, the reverse of independence is not dependence; it is interconnectedness and relationship. And in association with independence, that is another term for separation, what you are separating from.
But in this you are correct, it is a complicated subject, for it is your jewel. It is what you prize, how you are independent, and it is what you strive for, to become MORE independent. And in that, you equate independence with freedom, and in actuality, independence creates obstacles and hindrances. And what genuinely offers you freedom to be who you are is the knowing of your genuine self, the valuing of that, and the allowance of yourself in that knowing to recognize interconnection and relationship.
ELIAS: Not that you will not continue to move in directions to explore more, or to challenge yourselves to accomplish more yourselves, but you can accomplish and also not be striving in independence.
ROSE: Hm. Ja, this is hard for me to put in words. I understand what you mean. I have problems to put it into words myself, again due to lack of language and a little bit because I also have other topics. That’s very interesting. I would say that I don’t have to keep up my… my being so special and anything. You can be yourself in a very relaxed manner. You don’t have to be so rigid yourself. There is a great relaxation going on with this.
ELIAS: Yes, I would agree.
ROSE: You can even be independent of what you have thought yourself to be before. It’s just… Don’t take it as so important anymore! You step aside and say, “Okay!”
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would agree.
ROSE: Ja. That’s how I feel it.
ELIAS: Yes! Which, I am acknowledging of you. But I would also express that it presents challenge in varying degrees with different individuals –
ROSE: Yes. Right!
ELIAS: – in relation to how strongly they associate with independence and with that coupling of responsibility.
I will express to you, this is a time framework in which becoming self-aware and becoming genuinely aware of each individual’s value apart from all of the attachments to the individual’s identity is a challenge that already is and will quite definitely continue to be for a time framework generating trauma in different degrees with individuals, for this is a difficult transition and emergence into newly defining yourselves in this Shift.
ROSE: Mm-hm. Makes perfect sense to me. (Both laugh). Wonderful, wonderful! And I would say that this one of the reasons why it is so hard for Sam in this BlueFlash forum to deal with me… (Both laugh) What would you say to this? (Elias laughs) Except “Ha ha ha ha”? (Laughs)
ELIAS: I would continue to encourage you, my friend. (Laughs)
ROSE: Do you agree? Do you confirm, or do you just encourage? (Laughing)
ELIAS: I would agree.
ROSE: Oh! Thank you! (Both laugh)
We need to continue. I have another question. Magda from our little Soft list would like to… she’s dying to know if she is the final focus?
ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.
ROSE: And she would like to know if she is in transition.
ELIAS: Yes, but recently.
ROSE: Recently. Recently is when?
ELIAS: I would express recently within a time framework of this past two of your years.
ROSE: Ah. She is riding on the emotional rollercoaster, it seems to me. That’s so easy for her. Do you have a brief recommendation for her?
ELIAS: An encouragement to allow, to not fight with herself, and the encouragement to allow herself to assess those genuine aspects of herself in being emotional and recognizing that being gentle with yourself is the action of accepting what is natural to you – and, with some individuals, being quite emotional is very natural.
ELIAS: Nurturing yourself is that action of incorporating the gentleness, which is the acceptance, and beyond the acceptance generating the action of nurturing, which is the encouragement of that natural aspect of yourself to grow. Therefore, rather than discounting or berating self that… that there is too MUCH emotion, or that being emotional is not good or that it is bad in some manner, rather to be accepting of that natural expression and encouraging it.
ROSE: Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: You’re very welcome.
ROSE: More brief questions, very brief questions. Something I was pondering about a little bit: 9/11 – was that an inside job?
ELIAS: And how you would define “inside job”?
ROSE: Inside job – I mean, was it done by Americans to their own people, or was it done by al-Qaeda and whatever?
ROSE: Both? Wow.
Okay. I have to go to the next question. I would like to know the stats of Michael Jackson and if he was a pharaoh?
ELIAS: The first question has already been offered.
ELIAS: And the second question?
ROSE: If he had been a pharaoh in Egypt?
ELIAS: Has he been… ? Observing to three.
ROSE: Observing to three. Okay. And then a question: The casket at the event in L.A., was it empty, or was his corpse in the casket?
ELIAS: The latter.
ROSE: It was in the casket?
ROSE: Okay. Then I have a question: This Charles from the Seth list, did he disengage?
ROSE: No. Okay, but he is obviously not fine.
ROSE: Ok. Then I would like to know if my husband and myself share a focus in Pompeii?
ROSE: Ahhh! Okay. Then I would like to know if you can comment a little bit on Emil Bock and the writings of Emil Bock.
ELIAS: In what capacity?
ROSE: My husband reads a lot about it, and sometimes what he is reading is very different from what I say or what I describe from your teachings or material, and I would like to have a brief comment about whether there is a lot of distortion in it or not.
ELIAS: It is filtered, as you are aware. Let me also express to you that as you are aware, different individuals draw themselves to different information that will resonate with them and that will allow them an avenue in which they can assimilate information easier and allow themselves to widen their awareness in the manner that is the most comfortable for them individually. I would also express that if you genuinely allow yourself to be more flexible in relation to words, or terms, you can actually begin to recognize that many concepts are very similar – they are merely couched in different terms.
ROSE: I understand. I understand.
I have a brief question. Was there someone else except you, Seth and Alice Bailey who tried to introduce the essence families into the public consciousness?
ELIAS: (Pause) No. Not in the manner that it has been expressed.
ROSE: Okay. Thank you.
Then I would like to have a little help from my friend. (Both laugh) We have been talking about one focus of myself being an American author, a female author, and I did a little research and there was one person where I resonated strongly, but I couldn’t find the information again and I cannot come up with a name. Would you present me with the name now?
ELIAS: (Laughs very loudly)
ROSE: Why are you laughing? (Laughs)
ELIAS: Ah, my dear friend, another lost item!
ROSE: Another lost item?
ELIAS: Oh, you are so very accomplished at this, at generating different items disappearing.
ROSE: Oh, ja, ja, I am! (Both laugh) But I reappeared one!
ELIAS: Ah, congratulations!
ROSE: Thank you! I’m still missing my t-shirt.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And perhaps you shall reappear the name also.
ROSE: Oh, you will not give it to me? (Elias laughs) “I shall express to you, No.” (Laughs)
ELIAS: Ah, but this is an intriguing and fun game!
ROSE: I know. But it was so weird! I found it on the internet, and then it was, like, gone! I didn’t find it again, and I tried and tried and tried… but it’s impossible. Where is it? I couldn’t find it again! (Elias laughs) Oh, okay. I’ll do my homework. But I will come back with this.
ELIAS: And stop pushing!
ROSE: No, I’m not pushing.
ELIAS: Rather than “try, try, try, try, try,” allow yourself to feel into.
ROSE: Oh, ja. Okay. It’s not that important; I will allow it to come when it will come. I’m not struggling to find it.
ELIAS: Correct. Use your abilities.
ROSE: Yeah… Oh! What do you think about taking salvia?
ROSE: Salvia is a herb, and people are describing wonderful experiences in exploring consciousness and other dimensions and whatever, and I’ve never taken any drugs. So I said, “Ah, okay, maybe one time just for the experience.” (Laughing)
ELIAS: (Humorously) Are you requesting permission?
ROSE: No, I… (Elias laughs) No, no, no. No, I’m not requesting permission. I’m requesting recommendation for “yes.” (Laughing)
ELIAS: (Laughs) I will express to you that it will not be harmful to you.
ROSE: Okay, that is enough. I was a little scared that I would be too sensitive and that I would experience something I couldn’t handle.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would express that it is a matter merely of you recognizing that you are generating the action and therefore offering yourself that confidence that you will generate an interesting experience rather than a difficult experience.
ROSE: Good. That shall be enough. Okay, now back to the core issue.
ELIAS: Very well.
ROSE: I have been reading in the material like I’m addicted. I have been reading from the morning till late night and starting the next day, and wow, it’s… I don’t know, I felt like the more I read the more there IS to read, and I was a little feeling overwhelmed. I felt as if I had to steer my body, which had been functioning fine without my steering and then I would have to do it, like, by will, and it was getting more and more complicated, and...
There is one question I would like to know. I read it now from my notes list: Do I create the continuation of the physical condition in my spine each moment anew, and if so, how do I stop? What do I miss?
ELIAS: To the first question, continuing each moment anew – yes, you do. You all do this in relation to ANY physical manifestation.
As to the second question, this is somewhat more difficult, for it involves associations, it involves beliefs, it involves some attachments to your own identity.
There are many subjects in your reality that remain unquestioned to a point, and in relation to the physical body and the body consciousness there are associations with the body consciousness as being limited: that it functions in certain capacities, and that if it is not maintained, or if it is injured, or if there is some manifestation created that interrupts the natural flow of the body consciousness that it is somewhat frail, or that it does not incorporate the ability to heal or to regenerate – that the energy of the body consciousness, the functioning of the body consciousness and the movement of it is limited. And in that limitation, it sets forth these associations that are VERY strong, and there are attachments to those associations also.
We began this conversation with an element of independence and how independence actually is not the expression of freedom but actually is the movement of separation: Independence is a movement away from. And in this, as I expressed, it permeates almost every aspect of your existence. It can be associated with almost every element of yourself.
And another aspect of that involves the body consciousness. The more functional, and the more the body consciousness is interrupted, the more independent it is and therefore the more independent YOU are. In this, there are significant challenges in relation to the body consciousness and any aspect of it. And when you address to significant aspects of the body consciousness such as the spine, or the brain, or the nervous system, or the heart, or the lungs, aspects of the body consciousness that are viewed as very significant or very important to certain significant functionings, the challenge becomes greater, for the emphasis of how much you view the body consciousness as frail and limited and incorporating limited abilities – especially in the direction of healing – these are associations that are reinforced by millennia of attachments; and in that, millennia of assessments.
You generate these assessments through experiences that you deem to be true or false, and the more the true or false can be reinforced, the stronger it becomes. That the human body is not capable of regenerating, that has been expressed or evidenced in your perceptions for millennia. And in that, it continues to be perceived en masse as fact that the body consciousness is considerably limited; it does not incorporate the ability to regenerate. That is NOT true, but your sciences reinforce that in not looking at the abilities of the body consciousness in manners that would confirm that it actually DOES incorporate the ability to regenerate.
Now, they do offer a slight affordance for the body consciousness that SOME cells do incorporate the ability to regenerate, but not en masse, and not in the capacity that would allow for the regeneration of main functioning components of the body consciousness; and in that it would include any aspect of the neurological system, which includes the spine, which also includes the brain and includes any function that is associated with those aspects of the body consciousness that appear to control those functionings.
In this, the challenge is great to be moving outside of that independence – which, even healing incorporates a factor of the independence: “I can heal this myself. I can generate this action alone.” Now, when the individual moves in that direction, what is being expressed is that independence, and what are they actually generating the independence from? For this is what independence is, a moving away from. In this, they are moving away from that interconnection and that relationship of self, of essence, of consciousness. They view themselves as an individual physically focused with a physical body, and that physical body belongs to you.
Whatever is in your charge, whatever belongs to you in independence, also generates that coupling of responsibility. Whatever is within your charge in your independence, you are responsible for. And who is the you that is responsible, or that is independent, is the physically focused individual, which creates that separation of you as BEING essence. Even the idea of a different name of yourself and essence creates a factor of separation and creates a reinforcement of your independence from it.
And this creates ANOTHER challenge of how to be changing a physical manifestation or how to be healing, in your terms, a physical manifestation yourself and with the limitations of the separation, the limitations of the body consciousness – which are not actually limited, but that is a very, very strong association – and the limitations of the functions of the body consciousness.
In this, that is the piece that you inquire, “What is the piece that I am missing in these moments when I am creating this manifestation moment by moment?” This is that piece: the moment-by-moment reinforcement that the body consciousness is limited; the moment-by-moment reinforcement that in some capacity you are separated from you as essence, that they are two different entities, and they are not. There is no “they;” it is merely you. And that there must be a known method, for when it is associated with the body consciousness, you must know the function and know the method to know the manner in which it can be healed – which is also not necessarily true and not necessarily valid.
It is not necessary to know a function to engage it. It is not necessary to know all of what your body consciousness is capable of doing to engage it. What IS more necessary is allowing yourself to move out of the BELIEVING that it is limited and BELIEVING that it is damaged to a point that it cannot regenerate, and replacing that BELIEVING – not belief! but BELIEVING – with a new believing. And the difficulty in that is, what you BELIEVE is very much reinforced by what you see.
Your experiences very strongly reinforce what you believe. Therefore, just as, in a hypothetical scenario, the individual may generate an action of smashing their finger with a hammer, and the experience of smashing their finger with the hammer may create bruising and may even break the bones within the finger, now the individual generates the association that if you hammer your finger you will break it, and the individual believes that. Once they believe it, they trust it; and in trusting it, they will generate it.
That is a difficult challenge for most individuals in relation to healing in the capacity of significant dysfunctions of the body consciousness, is the factor of BELIEVING what it is and therefore trusting that; believing that the damage is severe enough that it cannot be regenerated. That is a very strong trust.
ROSE: Hm. Ay-ay-ay.
I noticed that in the recipe you gave me there was no point of “address your beliefs.” I just realized that today, and I was going to ask you about this. Now I have even an broader view about everything, and I have to think about it before we can go on.
ELIAS: I am understanding.
ROSE: There are just a few minutes left. I would like to ask a brief question about these exercises, and we have to continue anyway so we will do the other things in the next session. I have problems with doing these exercises because I cannot concentrate. I always lose focus, and I just drift off with one trigger of a sort and then I’m gone. I also have this, you know, just doing whatever I want to do and see what comes out of following this free flow, which is far away from any schedule or any reaching a goal or whatever. I’m just experimenting with it in a very wide range, and sometimes I’m not even sure if I’m on track anymore. But in a way I think very much it’s all on the fundament of everything is connected and this will tie together in the end.
ELIAS: Yes. You are correct. And in relation to the exercises, it matters not. (Rose laughs in confusion) If it is difficult for you, if it is presenting more challenges for you, then I would suggest that you allow yourself to not engage them and allow yourself to move in directions that are more comfortable, or that resonate with you in relation to that free flow.
I am VERY encouraging of you in relation to your free flow, for the more you can move into that, the more you will incorporate the ability to be more flexible with what you are believing. It may be easier, in that flexibility, to alter what you are believing, or to let go of what you are believing, even if you are not replacing that believing with a different believing, but merely genuinely knowing that whatever the believing is it is not necessarily true, and regardless of whether you know what to replace it with or not, that there is more to be expressed than is contained in that believing.
ROSE: Hm. I need to listen to this again. (Elias laughs) I need to have a little more session. (Both laugh) God! This is interesting.
Okay. Two very brief questions. What is going on between me and Sam? Is there something like counterpart or mirroring, or what is it?
ROSE: Counterpart. Okay. And do you have a brief recommendation for him? I am not sure if I will deliver it, but perhaps I will or I will ask him if he is interested.
ELIAS: In what capacity?
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ROSE: He is struggling very much and lately he said “Elias is an asshole, Elias is lying, Elias has tricked me into false belief. He said that it’s possible to change your reality from one moment to the next, and I have been…” whatever. He is playing his victim game.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And I will express, it matters not that he generates the idea or the perception that I may be false or that I may be wrong, for this is a defense. And it is easy, but also understandable, that when an individual is incorporating significant difficulty viewing their own choices, or viewing their own abilities, and is feeling stuck or overwhelmed or incapable, it is an automatic expression to blame; in this, either to blame themself or to blame an outside source.
It is easier to blame an outside source, for if you can blame an outside source you can justify yourself. It is more difficult to blame yourself – although it is done quite often – but it is painful to blame yourself. Therefore, it is easier to blame an outside source, and also to want to hold an outside source responsible for what you are doing or not doing yourself.
In this, I would express that eventually it becomes very exhausting to maintain that anger. Eventually there will be presented a point in which it becomes too tiresome to continue that intensity of energy in looking outside of self and blaming. And at that point, generally speaking the individual, in your very common vernacular, “gives up,” and at that point that is the point of their power. When the individual stops fighting, stops struggling, and stops blaming, that is the point in which they can actually move forward and become empowered. But with blame and anger and discounting, all becomes clouded, and it is very difficult to see any avenue that is viable, that can generate some type of successful action in the manner that the individual wants.
Even when an individual is not blaming and is genuinely looking to themself and is not necessarily discounting themself, in certain situations it can be difficult to view clearly, and it can be difficult to address to their own associations and their own ideas and their own attachments. But when an individual is expressing anger and blaming, it is VERY challenging, for this creates a tremendous cloud and a very thick veil of separation, which creates more difficulty and more obstacles and hindrances to the individual’s movement.
And you may choose whether to share or not, but regardless of the individual’s perception of myself, I express a continued encouragement and supportiveness in his accomplishment.
ROSE: I will share.
ELIAS: And recognize that regardless of whether he views or thinks that he accomplishes at all, he does.
ROSE: Yeah, there are tiny steps. They are visible.
ELIAS: And I encourage and support that, and support the value in it and his value.
ROSE: Very good. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.
I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting.
ROSE: Me too! (Both laugh) I will schedule one right away!
ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I express tremendous affection and lovingness to you in acknowledgment of a dear and very valued friendship.
ROSE: Thank you. The same from my end. Bye-bye.
ELIAS: To you, my dear friend, au revoir.
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