The Element of Trust With Medical Practitioners
Topics:
“The Element of Trust With Medical Practitioners”
“The Inner Landscape Exercise: Change the Landscape Frequently”
“Dealing With Conflict: Acknowledging Others Without Compromising Yourself”
“A Disappeared T-Shirt and a Stolen Ring”
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rose (Quillan)
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
ROSE: Good afternoon, Elias!
ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?
ROSE: Lots and lots and lots. Okay, we go straight into it. Brief questions in the beginning: Do I have an ancient Egypt focus?
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: I don't know what it is, but it was a very noble character. As soon as I connected with it there was an image popping up inwardly, and it was a very noble, upright, aristocratic figure.
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: Okay. Could you say a little bit more about that?
ELIAS: I would express that this individual was incorporating considerable wealth and was an advisor.
ROSE: Mm-hm. Was there something like secret knowledge connected to this person?
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: Like a priest?
ELIAS: Not a priest, but the individual was viewed as incorporating considerable power.
ROSE: Do you have a name?
ELIAS: And shall you not investigate? ( Both laugh)
ROSE: Okay, I will. We’ll drop this and take the next one. In the same scenario there was something like, I don't know, a Japanese or a Chinese monk or something like that. I can't recall it right now; it's faded.
ELIAS: Japanese.
ROSE: Japanese, ja. Was it a monk?
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: And then something like a very harshly fighting swordsman. It's a different focus.
ELIAS: Yes. That would be a different focus. That would be Chinese, and that would be a landlord.
ROSE: Okay. This is it for the moment. Then I would like to know, just for me, if I sense this correctly. There's this person called Rick, and I somehow connect him with Celtic culture, and he said he didn’t really connect with this, but I do. (Both laugh) I would to get a confirmation or to get an "Oh no, you're off track."
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. And you share that focus.
ROSE: That's what I felt. Okay, then I have a very strange question; I mean, it's weird to talk to you about this. I'm missing one t-shirt. It’s somehow precious to me. Is this t-shirt still in my house, or did somebody take it, or what happened?
ELIAS: Is it in your house presently? No. Did someone take it? No.
ELIAS: Will it come back?
ELIAS: That is highly possible.
ROSE: I see. If someone didn’t take it, and it is not in my house, did I forget it somewhere?
ELIAS: No, you disappeared it.
ROSE: Okay. I disappeared it.
ELIAS: Therefore, it is very likely that you will re-appear it.
ROSE: Okay, this brings me to the next thing, and maybe we'll come back to the t-shirt again. I have one ring – or I HAD one ring. This ring was given to me by a very caring teacher from my early teenage age. She was caring about me when I was in a very difficult period of my life. And one day I was baking something, I was doing something in the kitchen, and I pulled this…. I don't know if I pulled it from my finger? Ja, I think I did, and I laid it aside just to keep this ring by me. And this ring, I never found it again. I searched everywhere. When I moved out I had to take everything out, remove the furniture so this room was really bare, and even then the ring didn't show up again. And… where is this ring?
ELIAS: That WAS taken by another individual, and lost.
ROSE: Was it taken by another human being, or was it taken by a person which was not incarnated any longer and kind of removed?
ELIAS: No, it was taken by an individual.
ROSE: Okay. Hmmm. Okay. Some more quick questions similar to these: My garden, is it an area of enchantment?
ELIAS: It can be.
ROSE: What is the difference when you say it is, or it can be?
ELIAS: Are you referring to a similarity with what other individuals have designated or named as the "area of enchantment"?
ROSE: I think it was either Anjuli or Oba, and the term "area of enchantment" was expressed by you.
ELIAS: Correct.
ROSE: And I thought, “Oh, my garden is an area of enchantment, definitely.” And I wanted to know, in relation to what you called an "area of enchantment" in relation to these individuals, if my garden is something like that?
ELIAS: Let me clarify.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: I did not label or designate that area as the "area of enchantment." The individuals that are engaging it in association with playing with time and time traveling designated that particular area, or named it, an "area of enchantment" in association with what they are doing in relation to time travel.
Now; in this, the reason I expressed to you that your garden CAN be is that this would be dependent upon whether you choose to engage a similar type of game and action in connecting with a future focus and incorporating your garden as an area in which the future focus can send objects back in time.
ROSE: Wow! (Laughs) That's interesting! I recently read the book "Sleepwalkers," and now we'll see how this will influence my further movement.
Okay, next brief question: You know, in one of our very first encounters you said magenta is the color belonging to me – this is my wording, maybe not yours – and I wanted to ask you about this magenta. What does it mean to me? What kind of color is it?
ELIAS: It is a shade of pink.
ROSE: Ja.
ELIAS: And in that, it is merely another translation of your tone. Just as your essence name is a translation of your tone, you also can ascribe a musical note or a color.
ROSE: Okay. But does it belong to my essence or to this Rose focus?
ELIAS: Essence.
ROSE: Okay, thank you. Enough talk about this. I always have to evaluate which topic I address to because the time is so short and sessions are expensive! (Both laugh)
Now let's go back to the healing topic. Due to this injury in my spine there is also a problem with my bladder, which is spastic. Usually the doctors would like me to take medicines for it to decrease the rate and intensity of these spasms in this bladder. I experiment with it; sometimes I take very little, sometimes I have to take them to get some relief. I'm doing these exercises you gave me for my spine; would you have kind of a recommendation regarding this spastic bladder?
ELIAS: And does the medication help?
ROSE: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The problem is the side effects of this medication. You get into a loop, more or less. It does something to the eyes, it does something to the water balance in the body, then maybe it does something to the ear. And with this ear I had a big, big problem recently, and so you know, the less I can take, the less side effects I have.
ELIAS: I am understanding. Perhaps it would be helpful for you to either incorporate frequent whirlpools, which will allow the body consciousness to relax naturally, or, if that is difficult for you to engage whirlpools, that would be the MOST effective but you can substitute that with a bath and also incorporating some type of forced air in the bathtub – some type of device that would create forced air which would simulate a whirlpool, for that will allow the body consciousness to relax – and not merely the outer elements of the body consciousness, but it will allow the inner elements of the body consciousness to relax also.
ROSE: When I'm in the bathtub I cannot lie down because I have to have this electrical lift. It's a seat on the lift, and I'm not fully under water and so on, it's just like up to the navel and the rest above the water. Will this do?
ELIAS: Hm. One moment.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: Is there some facility near you that incorporates a whirlpool? Or can you investigate in relation to that?
ROSE: I can investigate. I have to investigate.
ELIAS: I would express that that may be more beneficial, for it would be more beneficial if you were to submerge yourself to your shoulders in the moving water, for that will be more affecting of all of your organs in being soothing and relaxing. For, when one organ is spastic or tense, it creates pressure with other organs.
ROSE: Yes.
ELIAS: And that creates a rippling effect within your nervous system. Therefore, it would be more beneficial to incorporate the whirlpool in a situation in which you could submerge yourself to the point of your shoulders.
ROSE: Okay. What they do in the hospital is they have treated the bladder with Botox, which is a poison. It was helpful sometimes, but last time the treatment didn't really help, so there's the problem with incontinence of this bladder because of the spastics, and this might be a little bit problematic with going to a public whirlpool again. So would you recommend doing the Botox again, to be able to do the whirlpool?
ELIAS: If that is helpful to allow you more control, yes, I would.
ROSE: Okay. Okay. And regarding the medication, if they would know that I'm not taking like they prescribed it they would get very mad at me, because they say I'm deforming my bladder by not taking it, it's dangerous. They made a horrible scenario in front of my eyes, like “You could end up on an artificial kidney with your way of dealing with your bladder” and so on. It comes back to this taking responsibility and creating change and so on, but you know I'm learning, I'm not a master in this. So it's kind of stressful for me to try it but not being sure that it will work. You know what I mean?
ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding. And I would strongly suggest to you that you genuinely pay attention to your beliefs. For I’m aware that many individuals generate this idea that it is somehow better, or more spiritual, to be creating different affectingnesses with their body consciousness without any aid of whatever is available to them. And many, many times they are moving in opposition to their own expressed beliefs, and they create difficulties for themselves, and they create situations in which they may actually exacerbate whatever the problem is to begin with.
In this, I'm aware that you do engage your physicians and that you do listen to them, and you do incorporate considerable beliefs in relation to medical practices, physicians and their knowledge and an acknowledgement of that. I am understanding that you incorporate a strong desire to change your physical manifestations, but it is important to not be opposing your expressed beliefs. Therefore, I would express that I am understanding your hesitations, and I am also encouraging you not to entirely dismiss what your physicians are expressing to you.
Now; what you CAN do in association with your own direction and with what you are doing and what you want is you can engage your physicians, and you can question them and generate suggestions to them that they discover other methods if one method is not accomplishing to your satisfaction. As you expressed, there are side effects with certain medications. If certain medications are not compatible with you and are creating other symptoms, it may be wise for you to express that to your physicians and to express, “No, I am not comfortable with this particular medication,” and express to them not “Do you have another medication?” but more in being direct and holding to your direction and expressing, “Find another medication that will be more compatible with my body chemistry.”
ROSE: I should not say, “Do you have another?” [but] I shall phrase it, “Find another”?
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: In this manner, you are not subject to the physicians. You are actively participating in your own healing in your decisions and your choices.
ROSE: Yes. You know, we have this saying, "They behave like half-gods," and sometimes they treat you like you are just to listen to them and to obey and that's it, and that's not my character. And I always have to take care of them in a way – or I believe I have. Because of the background of this injury at all, they sometimes have a look at me, or I perceive them to have a look at me like “Oh, we have to keep her in mind if she, you know, she gets nuts again or not.”
ELIAS: (Laughs) And I will express, this is another reason and example of why it is important for you to be confident, and for you to be directing.
ROSE: Yeah. That's a challenge in this scenario. I want to move a little bit this topic. I have been engaging contact and conversation with someone who is a practitioner, he's not a doctor but something we have in Germany; it’s called Heilpraktiker. He is a practitioner of another Ph.D., and he is doing, for instance, Chinese medicine, and he suggested to me a treatment for the spine. It's like acupuncture and so on, and it would be a test. As I have paid already so much money, I'm a little reluctant and I would like to know from you if there is some real beneficial impact from this therapy or if I can drop it like some other things. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Once again, this would be dependent upon you, for I will express that there are many alternative methods of healing that can be beneficial and can be helpful, and acupuncture is one of these, but it also is dependent upon you and how much you trust that. If you are comfortable and you trust that the alternative method will be beneficial and will be helpful, you will allow it to be and you will receive that energy and configure it in a manner that will be healing. But as I express, this is dependent upon you, and your evaluation would be “How much do I trust?”
ROSE: Ja. The point is, for me it's not really a question of trust; it's more a little bit about being a skeptic. You know, I have been at the Reconnection seminar recently and you said, “You can accomplish your healing of the spine without this” and so on; you know what you said, so I don't have to spend time on repeating it. My question regarding this acupuncture thing is a little bit similar like that. Would it bring me, you know, like PUSHING me forward in this endeavor, or will it make no big difference? I think this person is doing his work with a high degree of integrity, yet there are some things which... I don’t know. I would do it at once if you would say, “This is really beneficial; it will not make the spine injury go away, maybe, but it will bring you forward faster.” And if you say, "No, it wouldn't make any big DIFFERENCE no matter if you trust or if you're not trusting, if you’re skeptical or not a skeptic." Independent of that, I'm understanding your point of translating, and yet there seems to be something because I have been in this energy field of everything that was related to the "Reconnection" and still am, and it seems like I'm not translating this energy into a healing of my spine. So, what is the point? What is the point I'm missing?
ELIAS: The point is the element of trust. When you express, “No, it is not a matter of trust, it is more a matter of being somewhat skeptical,” you are expressing the same as myself. I am expressing that if you are skeptical, you are not trusting; and if you are not trusting, I would express that it would not create a significant difference.
If you ARE trusting, if you view this individual as accomplished and qualified in what he is doing and you trust his ability, and in that perhaps you may not necessarily trust yourself in how you are configuring the energy yet, but that element is not necessarily as important. If you trust the other individual, that will allow for a free flow of energy. And yes, that CAN be beneficial, and it CAN move you into a further engagement of reconnection, and it can stimulate you and motivate you further, in relation to what you and I discussed in our previous conversation in relation to any type of stimulation, any type of feeling or stimulation even in the smallest forms, and allowing yourself to notice that and allowing yourself to pay attention to that and to focus upon that and therefore to enhance it and to continue it. In this, if you trust the individual generating the acupuncture or whatever other methods he may incorporate, that is enough to create a further opening for you to begin noticing more sensations.
ROSE: Okay. Elias, this trust thing: I need to go a little bit deeper into this. I mean, I'm not a child anymore, and this is not, you know, there is this person with his white coat and all this is like God and I just have to be a little nice girl and he will make everything fine just like this. And I'm also not like from a simple… and I’m not devaluing anybody but, you know, I have been to Brazil, and I visited a healer there and there have been these people which are very simple-minded, and they go there and they trust totally that this person will heal, with his magical skills it would heal them, and some seem to get a healing and others don't, I don't know. But you know, there is a kind of trust which goes along with a kind of naivete, and I couldn't pretend to be that naïve.
ELIAS: No. I am understanding, and I am acknowledging of you that you are not blindly following another individual and that you require some type of assurance and knowledge and research in relation to whatever direction you engage.
ROSE: Yes.
ELIAS: I'm acknowledging of that. But, that is the point. Let me express to you, the reason that you incorporate physicians is that whether you like them or not matters not; you trust them. You trust their knowledge. You trust that they have been educated extensively, that they understand what they are doing, that they understand the mechanics of the human physiology and that they incorporate knowledge and technology that is at their disposal that can be helpful. This is the point.
Now; in relation to alternative healers, it is the same. It is a matter of offering yourself information in relation to what the individual does, what their method is, what their success percentage is; what is it that they will actually be engaging and what will that actually stimulate; how will it actually accomplish any action, and what action is it expected to accomplish? These are all questions that are important for you to incorporate that information to evaluate whether you trust the other individual in their method or not.
ROSE: In this specific case, this person very honestly said, “I don't know; it will be a test.” So my decision is just it will be a try: he would try, I would try, I would pay, and we would try.
ELIAS: And in this present moment, what is your base feeling and your intuition expressing to you?
ROSE: My feeling is it doesn't make a difference. My thinking is maybe I'm missing something important.
ELIAS: I would express that your thinking is grasping.
ROSE: Grasping?
ELIAS: Yes. Your thinking is grasping at any type of method that may incorporate any slight possibility of accomplishing, and that can be leading you into directions that are not necessarily beneficial and that will accomplish depleting your finances.
ROSE: Exactly.
ELIAS: Therefore, I would encourage you in relation to what you are feeling.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: And I would express to you as I have, that it would not necessarily be that beneficial to you at this point presently.
ROSE: Okay, then we can drop this topic at this moment.
I would like to go back to the exercises, inner landscape and so on. Okay?
ELIAS: Very well, and how are you accomplishing in that direction?
ROSE: Ahh! Sometimes I have a little problem to actually do it. I have a little resistance. Sometimes this resistance is due to I’m feeling a lot of sadness coming up currently. As soon as I approach the exercise there is a lot of sadness. There is also comfort in these exercises. There are animals showing up, there are several... My sadness is [inaudible], but sometimes I don't like to feel sad (laughs), so I try to avoid.
This is not really the main point. The main point is, I start the experience but my thoughts are wandering off when I'm doing the exercise. It’s like ah, now it's not that new anymore, and my thinking apparatus goes on like “Oh, I have to do this again, and there is this problem with that person and oh what a moment, you are doing the inner landscape.” (Elias laughs) But you know, [inaudible] as dark as in the inner landscape. And it’s wandering off of my thoughts is one challenge I'm facing.
ELIAS: This is the reason that it is important to change that landscape frequently, for if you continue with the SAME landscape, this will automatically occur for it becomes too familiar. It is important to change the landscape frequently. I would express that it would be effective to incorporate one landscape no more than three times.
ROSE: Ah, I knew you would say it. (Laughs) I knew you would say that number.
ELIAS: And when you change the landscape, change it dramatically. Change it into an entirely different scene.
ROSE: The funny thing is that I start with my redwoods, mainly as an anchor in the beginning, and then almost all the time the scene goes on its own and I have no control, but I'm all the time surprised. I'm in the tree, I'm on top of the tree, I'm out of the tree, I'm circling around, I'm sitting in front of the tree; I'm in the water, I'm in a boat above the water; there are beings, there are no beings. It's like running on its own.
ELIAS: Yes! Which is precisely the point. This is engaging it correctly. But in this, rather than beginning with the redwoods, begin with a desert, or begin with a mountaintop. Or begin in space.
ROSE: Oh, cool! I’ve got it. We have to hurry a little bit, and we have a little time tomorrow again, but I have one topic which is a little painful for me currently. Okay?
ELIAS: Very well.
ROSE: And there is a connection, because it goes into my exercises, a very disturbing factor currently. We have a family conflict going on with the sister of my husband and her husband, and I perceive them as being very different compared to us. I've been thinking about that nearly a week now, and I have been looking at it from as many angles as I was able to, and I feel them as rather immature in the way they deal with the situation we are connected through at the moment.
ROSE: Which is?
ROSE: (Laughs) It was so simple. There was a table my husband had in his car, and it was supposed to go to our place for our daughter, and somehow his sister got this table . He had forgotten that this table was to go to our daughter and so the table stayed at her place. And when he came home, I said: "Oh, where is this table?" And he said, "Oh, I gave it to my sister." And I thought Wow, it was promised to our daughter, and I said, “Are you willing to ask your sister how we can handle this and when we can get this table?” He said, “Yes, of course,” and then he asked her and she said she will not give this table away, she will not hand out this table. And I felt sad. I was a little down in feeling, and I felt frustrated and I felt also angry about it just because of this way of, you know, behaving, not the matter about the table. And so I was angry, and I expressed that to him and he said okay, and we were discussing an evening about it. And the next day I worded some lines, I wrote her an email and I shared my feelings and thoughts with her. I explained myself to her and asked her to reconsider her decision by taking in my new point of view, by taking in this new information, and I just asked her to reconsider and maybe come to a different decision on that. I just asked her; I wasn't offensive or anything. Then I got an email by her husband, and he blew up and he was so foul-mouthed. The mail was directed to her, and he answered. Then I got an email by her and she was also (whistles), you know?
There were so many things I have accumulated down the time track. My perception of them, and my husband's perception of them, is that they misinterpreted so many things over the years and they never ever look at themselves, what they do or how they behave or whatever, and it’s a complete misunderstanding from their end and they somehow escalate it. And now they want me to apologize. And I mentioned, “What shall I apologize for? There is not even a substance to apologize.”
So there are a lot of strange games going on, and I was wondering what to do. And I was thinking, “Okay, they are in need. A person who is happy doesn't behave like that. How can I help? Is it my job my to help? Do I want to help? Is it a karmic thing? Is it this, is it that?” I have looked at this from so many angles. And even my husband, he said, "If I could, I would just quit this awful thing, I would just quit this relationship.” But he doesn't want to do it because there is this old mother and they have to talk about this mother thing, and there’s money related to the mother and so on and so forth. But I have these circling thoughts in my mind, and I think maybe I have not got the right thought. Maybe I have missed something. Maybe I'm to do this or that to help us all in the best way possible, not only to find a solution for this moment but also for the evolution of everyone involved in this focus and in others, and so on and so forth. So it's circling in my mind, and I want to stop the circling. And this is my main question, and then maybe a recommendation from your end in regard to this situation.
Now it's your turn. (Laughs)
ELIAS: My suggestion is that you allow yourself to calmly evaluate how you can be acknowledging of them but not compromising yourself. At times, individuals can quite convolute themselves and can express in considerable trauma and extremes, and in this, it is important for you to recognize that whether you agree with them or not, or whether you express to yourself the assessment that their behavior is ridiculous or not, you are entitled to your assessments and your opinions, but it is a matter of creating a different energy in which you acknowledge the realness of whatever they are expressing but you also acknowledge you; you do not compromise you. You allow yourself to remain centered and to hold to your perception and to evaluate genuinely, within yourself, what allows you the most comfort – not to defend, but also quite definitely not to apologize. But yes, to acknowledge the realness of whatever they are experiencing.
ROSE: I'm aware that they believe their perception is the only one possible.
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: And that is therefore real. And it IS real for them; I'm aware of that. The point is, there seems to be no real bridge possible between us in our difference of perception without a lot of words, without a lot of energy, without a lot of engaging myself into that. It seems like it is impossible to even, you know, reach each other.
ELIAS: This is the point.
ROSE: I have a feeling that they are only a very tiny little bit, she more than he, even willing to be opening up to the idea that there is a different perception even possible, and it feels like a lot of work.
ELIAS: It is not a matter of expressing to them that there is a different perception possible. That is attempting to convince or instruct, and that is not what I am expressing to you. What I am expressing to you is the manner in which you create the bridge is to acknowledge to them that you recognize the realness of what they are experiencing, and you also do not defend or justify your direction but you do not compromise it either.
ROSE: Right. The point is, they are so different.
ELIAS: In this, it is also important to evaluate what is genuinely important in this scenario. Is the table itself genuinely important? Or is it important enough to create considerable conflict?
ROSE: No.
ELIAS: Or is defending your position, or defending your perception important?
ROSE: No.
ELIAS: Are you comfortable enough and confident enough in your own perception to recognize that you perhaps entirely disagree with whatever their behavior is but that you can acknowledge it as real and stop engaging it?
ROSE: The point is, everything you say is right. I'm not interested in the table anymore, none of us is. My interest in this is that it shall become as much as possible a peaceful relationship, that they find a spot inwardly – that would be my wish – that they stop being so offensive and aggressive. I can breach it easily, but they would blow up and they would continue and continue with my husband.
ELIAS: I am understanding, but the…
ROSE: And I would like to have a calm and reasonable simple cooperation as much as possible and no private contact. You understand?
ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding, but the point in all of this is if you're genuinely listening to what you are expressing, what you are expressing is “I would like THEM to do this. I would like THEM to see this. I would like THEM to be able to cooperate.”
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: You cannot alter the other individual. You are not creating their choices.
ROSE: Okay.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: Therefore, it is a matter of you engaging choices that allow comfort for you.
ROSE: Which would be simply to retreat. Which would be saying, “I acknowledge your perception [inaudible].”
ELIAS: There is an interference which is interfering with the equipment.
ROSE: Shall we wait?
ELIAS: I would express that it is interfering with your communication. You may express what your statement was, and we shall conclude. Express your statement.
ROSE: Once again?
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: Okay. I would say to them, “I'm aware of your perception, I acknowledge it as being true for you. My perception of things is rather different, and I feel the best thing for us would be to be in distance with each other and not engage a lot of contact.” That would be my suggestion.
ELIAS: Yes, I would agree, for that would offer you a regaining of your comfort, and it is not your responsibility to concern yourself with what they choose.
ROSE: Right. My fear in this is that they would escalate and that they would not understand it, and so that's why I'm thinking over and over if there is a better way.
ELIAS: It matters not. You cannot force them to understand.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: In this, it is more a matter of you creating what is comfortable for you and not concerning yourself with their choices.
ROSE: Okay. Maybe it's just, you know, I have to endure it in a way and I have to look at this a little bit closer. We will talk tomorrow again.
ELIAS: Very well.
ROSE: Our time is over, and I want to respect the one-hour time.
ELIAS: Very well! I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my friend.
ROSE: Thank you very much.
ELIAS: In great encouragement to you and in tremendous lovingness to you as always, au revoir.
ROSE: Au revoir, Elias. Thank you.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 3 minutes)
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