Creating a Cold in Intensity
Topics:
"Creating a Cold in Intensity"
“The Importance of a Natural Setting in Inner Landscape Imagery”
"Dream Imagery of a Death to Discomfort and Embracing Comfort"
“Dream Imagery of the Importance of the Individual”
“Productivity Without Products”
“Why Elias Doesn’t Challenge Beliefs in Guardian Angels, Guides, Gods and Demons”
Session 200801121 (2437)
"Creating a Cold in Intensity"
“The Importance of a Natural Setting in Inner Landscape Imagery”
"Dream Imagery of a Death to Discomfort and Embracing Comfort"
“Dream Imagery of the Importance of the Individual”
“Productivity Without Products”
“Why Elias Doesn’t Challenge Beliefs in Guardian Angels, Guides, Gods and Demons”
Saturday, January 12, 2008 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Katrin (Duncan)
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
KATRIN: Good afternoon, Elias, hello! Nice to speak to you objectively. I’ve seen you a lot around. (Elias laughs) Thank you very much for your energy.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
KATRIN: Thank you. I want to talk about bits and pieces today. The first thing is, I did the inner landscape exercise recently because I have an ongoing cold. My whole head is affected by it. In this exercise, I immediately created an image of a tree bundled up with a rope around the branches. I cut the rope, and I felt a sensation in my head of expanding. The imagery in itself is understandable for me, but why I continue to create a head full of water and pain is still not clear to me.
When I started to have that cold, I knew why I got it, and the usual pattern in these cases like having a cold for me is that it ceases almost immediately when I realize why I can’t stand it. This time it doesn’t do it. I did another exercise to find out about this ongoing sneezing and coughing. I asked before I went to bed for some understanding of it. Other focuses of mine, which I haven’t seen yet, passed by. One is an arrogant landowner who treats his workers with contempt. Another is a woman who saves her skin by offering her daughter to have sex with the man who captured her.
Could you help me along here, please? It’s quite a few communications, and there’s still ongoing cold – which is not a big deal, but I can’t manage it.
ELIAS: And what was your assessment of how it began and…
KATRIN: Well, it was… I spent Christmas as usual every year, with friends in Germany. We visited seven places in nine days, and I was fed up with this situation. I didn’t want to spend time with friends all the time. I wanted to have time on my own. I didn’t want to spend every night, almost every night, in a different bed. I was unsatisfied with how I spent the Christmas holiday this year, even if it was a repetition of many, many other years. And that’s [why] I believe I got a cold. I had a full nose. I couldn’t cope with that situation this year.
ELIAS: Very well. And in the time subsequent to that?
KATRIN: Well, I realized that I was developing a cold on my way home from Germany to England. And subsequent to it, I noticed that I enjoyed being not fully functioning, even though I could function properly, but my head was an excuse for myself just to do nothing apart from the things I had to do. I think that’s just what I realized too.
ELIAS: Very well. And in this, what is your impression as to the dreams in relation to the illness?
KATRIN: Ja, well, I have no impression at all. It only occurred to me the next morning that I wasn’t unhappy to have focuses which are not often my liking. I will enjoy, but there are some nasty bastards between them, I thought. (Chuckles)
ELIAS: (Laughs) Now; first of all, what I will express to you is that when you create an intensity in a situation that you are dissatisfied with and that you do not like, you will create a matching of that intensity in what you create subsequently. Therefore, you created an intensity, an ongoing intensity of irritation in the traveling and the interactions, and subsequently you matched that energy with creating an intensity with the illness that matches, in a manner of speaking, the time framework and also matches the intensity. And therefore, the illness may occur for a longer time framework, for it is matching the intensity, but you are not experiencing as intensely. Are you understanding thus far?
KATRIN: I do. I do, ja.
ELIAS: Now; in this, you have also offered yourself the recognition that this has allowed you to generate more of a comfort in what you want rather than being subject to what other individuals want.
Now; in this, both of the dreams correlate to this situation precisely. For you image, in one situation, an individual that is insensitive to the individuals around him and that are workers for him. You also incorporate dream imagery of the woman who is generating a very similar expression and is exhibiting a very similar energy.
Now; both of these dream imageries are associated with both the outside influences and you yourself. Therefore, in these imageries, there are aspects of you that are represented in the individuals that are being forced to engage actions that they do not want by an outside influence, and there are aspects of yourself that are symbolized in the individuals that are expressing the forcing. For there are aspects of yourself that are imaged in both, for you allowed yourself to participate in activities that you actually did not want to engage and were not comfortable with but were complying with the directions of other individuals. But simultaneously, you also were being harsh with yourself. You were expressing this dictate to yourself in like manner to both of the individuals that appeared to be dictating or in control in the dreams. This is what you were expressing in relation to yourself; therefore you were, in a manner of speaking, playing both roles.
In that, you counterbalance that by creating an illness that will allow you to remove yourself, and will allow you to move in the direction in which other individuals will incorporate no expectations of you to engage actions that you do not want to.
KATRIN: Mm-hm. This is true. Mm-hm. Very interesting. And what about the rope and the tree, the imagery I had? I mean this is only a continuation that I try to realize it, to get my branches out, so to speak.
ELIAS: Now; in that, I have expressed instructions in relation to inner landscapes many times. What allows you to be successful with an inner landscape is to be generating imagery that is natural. When you image a tree and you tie ropes around it, confining it, this is not natural imagery. Therefore, what you are doing is you are reinforcing your concentration upon your own restriction.
KATRIN: Mm-hm. I’ve got it now, ja.
ELIAS: In this, when you generate an inner landscape, it is important to create imagery that is a natural setting and to allow certain elements of that natural setting to be consumed in a natural way – setting perhaps, as an example, a seascape in which there are natural grasses and sea plants, or perhaps even some small sea creatures that are not the enemy, that you can identify as the illness. And in that, you allow the landscape to unfold in its own direction, and other sea creatures will appear that will naturally consume the plants and the grasses and the small creatures.
Therefore, what you are doing is you are expressing a message to the body consciousness that you are not opposing the manifestation, that you are not viewing it as bad, and you are expressing a message to the body consciousness to encourage it to, in a manner of speaking, correct it naturally, without effort.
KATRIN: Actually, when I had the imagery the ropes instantly just go when I cut them. Thank you so much. It was a very aware insight. Hm.
I am most impressed that, apart from other things of course, you use the same time framework as when I was upset about my doings during the Christmas holidays. It’s exactly true that the cold is hanging on the same time as this time framework. (Elias chuckles) Very interesting for me. (Both laugh) Thank you very much.
Yes. I want to talk about some dreams or dream splinters.
I have one dream or splinter. I supervise a baby having a bath in normal-sized bathtub. When I distract myself for one split second and draw my attention back to the baby, it has drowned. I know immediately that there is nothing I can do about it. I panic briefly, take the baby in my arms and cry for help for a brief moment, knowing that this unnecessary. Then I think, “Oh god, this wet baby will get cold. “
My impression is, babies sometimes are a symbol in my dreams for looking at myself when I generate a new movement. Sometimes I get a baby thrown at me, and then I know I have to pay attention much closer to what I do. Here the baby dies, and my impression is that I have said a farewell to a familiar response or action. My worry that the baby could get cold relates to me. When I initiate an unfamiliar movement and fall back to the familiar, I often shiver. I feel a shrinking of my bubble. Could you comment on it and what movement I have addressed to it?
ELIAS: I would be acknowledging of your assessment of this imagery, for it is quite accurate. And I would express that this is indicative of you moving into a much stronger awareness of your interactions with other individuals. It would be associated with what you and I have discussed many times in relation to your automatic expressions with other individuals in expressing yourself at times, which generates a discomfort with the other individual or a misunderstanding, and that creates a conflict with you, and in this, your continued exploration in how to be expressing yourself but in a manner that is not, shall we say, confrontational with other individuals.
KATRIN: Hm. I noticed that.
ELIAS: And in this, you are moving into more clarity with yourself of that which is familiar but also how you can express your energy and yourself in new manners that are more efficient for you and more comfortable.
I would express that in this, what you are symbolizing, putting a death to but creating a wrap for, is comfort. You are putting a death to your discomfort and you are embracing your comfort.
KATRIN: I could cry, it sounds so nice when you say that. (Both laugh) I mean, I have quite enjoyed the conversations with my disengaged mother in dream state. It’s enjoyable in the sense that I have no associations that she expects something from me. It shows me how much influenced our relationship was by my associations about her expectations of me. This realization helps me along in my interactions with other individuals. I had known how often I create that association, that other people expect something from me. Is my mother’s essence making me aware of it, or am I just tapping into my periphery? I think it’s related to what you have said before, the dream with the baby.
ELIAS: I would agree. I would express that it is both, that YOU are generating an openness and this is the direction that you want to proceed within, and you are allowing your mother’s energy to be helpful to you.
KATRIN: Mm-hm. How is she, by the way? (Laughs) What is she doing at the moment?
ELIAS: I would express that she is generating considerable enjoyment and curiosity and fun.
KATRIN: Good.
ELIAS: I would express that she is not quite yet aware of her death, but she is noticing the flexibility of the objective imagery that she creates, which is generating a considerable curiosity.
KATRIN: Oh, good. She is having fun. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Yes. I would express that she is quite amused in this curiosity, at the abilities that she can express.
KATRIN: Uh-huh. I can see her. (Both laugh) Good! Good for her.
Now other things I want to ask.
I am not writing that much anymore as I used to. I was wondering about it and asked myself before I went to bed how it came along. I remember dream splitters. I am with these scriptwriters in Hollywood who are on strike. As I understand it, they want money from franchising their shows. I don’t think that I have the association that I must earn money with writing. I couldn’t find an impression or explanation for myself for both why I am not writing anymore and what the dream is about. I have no impression at all.
ELIAS: I would express that this will re-engage. But in similar manner to the dream and the writers in the dream, you have suspended this action temporarily to allow yourself a time framework of expansion. You are correct, it does not involve money, but the actual subject that is being addressed to in the dream is not actually concerning money either. That is merely a surface expression or imagery. The actual direction is allowing a time framework for expansion and an appreciation of that expansion, which can subsequently lead to new inspirations and new creativity to encourage that writing once again.
KATRIN: Thank you. Now I have another dream which I sense that it is pretty significant. I am near a church. In the background are my mother and daughter. I meet the British prime minister, his wife and their two children outside the church. All four of them are very cheerful. Both the parents carry their children on their shoulders. I am much younger than I am now.
My first impression about the church is a religious belief of mine in authority. And in that dream, the prime minister is in my beliefs an authority who is being presented in a relaxed, informal manner, not as an authority.
The other impression is about contribution with experiences within consciousness. I seem to believe that I can draw from other units of consciousness, but I don’t feel that I am contributing. There is consciousness which contributes, and there is consciousness who only assimilates. And I must admit I was surprised about that communication, and I don’t know what to do with that.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would express that this imagery, you are correct, is significant, for it is more concerning associations than actual fact.
Every element of consciousness contributes and assimilates. In this, so do you. You may not always objectively identify or define how you are contributing, but you are. But what is significant in this imagery is that there are definite associations with many individuals that there are expressions of consciousness, or even individuals, that express one or the other; that some individuals may not contribute, they merely assimilate, and some contribute without assimilating – which is not true, but it is a strong association.
And the significance of this is associated with the individual. This is also the reason that you image the prime minister, for you are correct: This is an individual that you would view as an authority, but you present the individual in a situation and an imagery that is expressed in like manner to yourself, what you would term to be a normal individual, not an authority, expressing no difference from yourself.
The significance of this imagery is the importance of the individual, for the reason that there is an association that some contribute and some assimilate is related to the devaluing, so to speak, of the individual, or not expressing the recognition of the importance and the significance of the individual.
In this, that also creates that separation and those associations in relation to authority, that individuals that are viewed to be in authority are not viewed alone. They may be viewed as an individual, but they are surrounded by many other individuals that are also viewed as authorities.
Generally speaking, authorities are defined in collectives: government officials, police officers. Any individual that you view as an authority is a part of a collective structure that you view as an authority, and you view the individual as less than, or less powerful than, and subject to those that are viewed as authority.
Therefore, the significance of this imagery is that the individual IS important, for the collective is what is generally associated as generating the contribution. Regardless of whether you incorporate one individual as the focal point of that collective, any one individual within your history is not in a position of authority alone; they are generally surrounded by many other individuals. Regardless of whether you view them to be positive or negative, it matters not.
Now, in that, they generate the contribution in the mass assessment. The individuals generate the assimilation and are devalued, that in an individual’s mundane existence they do not necessarily generate a contribution. As I have expressed, this is not true, but that is the mass association.
And this is significant that you presented this imagery to you to reinforce the importance of the individual, and viewing yourself as just as significant as the prime minister, and viewing the prime minister as just as ordinary as you.
KATRIN: I mean, it’s the first time that… I have known that intellectually, but it’s probably the first time through this dream that I have got into it more emotionally, I think.
ELIAS: Yes.
KATRIN: Hm. Interesting. Very interesting explanation of you about authority. Thank you very much.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
KATRIN: Hm. Very good.
Then, I have another one. Now it’s an impression or an imagination in my daydreaming – I’m not sure about this one, whether it’s a daydream or an impression. It’s about a shared focus with you. You are an old man with white hair and a beard and I am your grandchild, a very idealistic picture. I am listening to you and I appreciate our exchange. There is a lovely feeling attached to this impression or daydream. Could you tell me more about why I have generated this in this time framework? I always feel comfortable with you anyway, but this idealistic picture or image of this grey old man and the lovely little grandchild on his knees: what am I asking for here?
ELIAS: It is not necessarily what you are asking for. I am aware that you are comfortable with our exchanges and that you are comfortable with the interaction that occurs between us. I would express that this was your offering to yourself of an actual focus that we incorporate together, which…
KATRIN: Really?
ELIAS: Yes. In that, it allows you to connect with our relationship in a more physical manner. Rather than generating the knowing of our connection and our friendship and our mutual appreciation, you have presented this to yourself to incorporate an additional layer or dimension to our relationship in which you can connect to an actual physical connection.
KATRIN: (Coughs) Could you excuse me for one second?
ELIAS: Yes.
KATRIN: (Coughs) I am here again. Ja?
ELIAS: A physical relationship, a physical interaction. Not that you generate an association that our interaction or our relationship is not real, but it is comforting to create an additional layer to that and to generate it in a manner that it is more physical, for this is what YOU interact with.
KATRIN: (Coughs) Excuse me again. (Coughs) It’s too good to be true, to be in a physical relationship with you. (Both laugh) I have to cough again. Sorry. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: This allows you more of a physical sensation. And this is what you do within physical reality: You associate with physical interaction, and that adds another layer of reality to your interaction with any aspect of your reality. Therefore, when you generate a connection in some type of physical association, it creates an additional layer of reality to what you are interacting with.
KATRIN: I notice at the moment my life is changing remarkably, but I can’t put my finger on it. But you do it. (Elias laughs)
There’s something I want some support from you. Let me ask you: I have an association, as you are very much aware of because we discussed it so often, to creating of doing something, seeing a result or a product. I am in a process to change and I want to change this, because in this stage of my focus I’m not really producing anymore. Instead, I look after my grandson after school, or I enjoy looking after myself or buying a boat and having fun with it. And I tried to put a value on it, as I did before when I produced something.
I mean, as long as I produced in a job I was able to put value on all the things I just mentioned, or the measure of things. It was a kind of saying I deserve it. I’m aware about what I am saying here, but I still find it not that easy to shift my association of worth and value to the satisfaction just to be. (Coughs) Excuse me. I seem to believe “just to be” is not creating. Creation is related - for me – to do something. Could you please clarify for my understanding what the action “just to be” is?
But I have to ask to interrupt again because I have to cough again. (Elias chuckles) Just a moment, please. (Coughs at length, most of which was removed from the published audio) So, I’m here again. Thank you.
ELIAS: This would also be associated with your imagery of that focus that we shared, and why you present that to yourself now in association with this shift of your associations of productivity. In this, you are emphasizing to yourself the importance that you hold with physical production. And as you have stated – you are correct – we have (Katrin coughs) discussed this many times, that…
KATRIN: (Coughs) Why am I doing this, Elias? Is it because I reject it? (Both chuckle and Katrin coughs) It’s not unusual in sessions with you that I cough. (Elias chuckles and Katrin sighs)
ELIAS: I would express that there is an ongoing frustration with this subject, and therefore as we engage it, it may be somewhat triggering a slight overwhelm in that frustration. But I will express to you that you ARE in actuality accomplishing. It is not necessarily that you are not accomplishing this shift in perception; it is more that you are not necessarily acknowledging what you DO shift in perception.
You view your interaction with myself as quite productive, but you are not producing a thing.
KATRIN: True. I will draw this picture to me. That’s a good one, thank you! (Elias laughs) That’s a good one.
ELIAS: Therefore, in like manner you are being productive with your grandson and with other actions that you incorporate, but you may not necessarily be producing a THING – but they are equally as valuable.
KATRIN: I produce a really pleasant environment for myself and my grandson and for others too, and still I think… I don’t know.
ELIAS: That is a significant production.
KATRIN: I can see with my grandson, it’s such a nice exchange and he appreciates it, and I do. And this is probably why I do it, what I understand as producing or creating.
ELIAS: I would express that this is what the challenge is. It is not that you are not producing – you are. You are quite well, and you are significantly. It is that you are not acknowledging what you are producing as BEING produced.
KATRIN: Mm-hm. Ja. Do I have some more time? Yes, a bit. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
KATRIN: I had another dream. I’ve got it here. I’m with a group of people, and I’m fleeing from the influx of immigrants from Eastern Europe into a basement of a house. I realize that the basement has windows and we can be seen from the outside.
Another sequence: I am near the river Danube in Hungary. An old friend of mine is sunbathing on the river, and she is not aware of me. I know this place objectively from my East German times, when I traveled this part of the world. I am surprised that an old shabby building from communist times has been replaced with a beautiful-looking building.
My impression is that this dream shows a movement I have generated, but I’m not sure about what I have initiated or what I’m addressing to in this dream. I am fond of Eastern European countries because they had played a great part in my focus life in regard to fun and traveling. There is one country amongst which I don’t like very much, but I accept it.
Ja, that’s the dream, and my impression is, it’s probably a suggestion from the outside in Britain. I can only talk about British papers. They complain about too many immigrants coming to this country, and I’m reacting to it in a sense. I must have those similar thoughts that immigrants can be a danger or a discomfort of the place where I live. Is that what this dream is addressing to or telling me?
ELIAS: Partially. But partially it is also an encouragement, that you can reinforce yourself with your own experiences and your own imagery, recognizing that an assumed threat is not necessarily correct, and that you can move in your own associations that are not necessary to be compliant with that of the mass. You incorporate your own experiences in which you have allowed yourself to emigrate, and it has been a beneficial experience for you. And therefore, it is partially emphasizing information that is not necessarily accurate but that you have pastly or could be presently easily falling into. And also, the recognition of your own experiences and valuing that, that it is not necessary for you to accept the suggestion of the mass.
KATRIN: Mm. I’m actually an immigrant in this country from Eastern Europe. (Laughs)
ELIAS: That is what I expressed to you!
KATRIN: Ja. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Therefore, in association with your own experiences and directing of yourself, and recognition that there are suggestions being expressed that you may have allowed yourself to accept, you have presented this imagery to yourself to remind yourself that it is not necessary for you to accept those suggestions.
KATRIN: Mm. Ja. Thank you very much. I even got another idea that I can argue when people talk about this: “I’m an Eastern European, an immigrant. What do you have to say?” (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Quite so! (Both laugh)
KATRIN: Very well. Thank you.
Out of curiosity, I had an experience recently. I bought my grandson a secondhand drum. He has a talent to play the drum. And I believed that I had bought a secondhand drum, and I paid for a secondhand drum. When it was delivered, it turned out to be a complete new one worth double the price. I was not questioning it, but the rest of the family didn’t trust me. They just believed that I had bought one of the expensive new ones. It is a kind of magic for me: I paid [for] a secondhand drum, but my grandson created a complete new one. Is that what was happening? That he created it?
ELIAS: Yes.
KATRIN: Ja, that’s what I thought. (Both laugh) He didn’t want to have a secondhand one, but how it works I don’t know. (Both laugh) And yes, I’ve got a bit more time.
In one of the transcripts somebody asked you for the essence name of her guardian angels. What ARE guardian angels, and what are they doing? My feeling is they are more earthbound and have lesser confined beliefs than we have.
ELIAS: Let me express to you, there are always essences that surround all of you that encourage you, that support you, that interact with you. You may not always be aware objectively of their interaction, but in the reality that there is no separation, you are always surrounded by essences.
I am aware that some individuals incorporate strong beliefs and identifications of interactions that they may incorporate with some nonphysical essence, and they may identify that as a guardian angel or a guide. And in this, as I have expressed, in actuality there are no guardian angels and there are no guides. All essences are the same, and there are none that are higher or greater than any other.
But, as you are aware, within physical focus you have created the element of separation purposefully and specifically to ensure the purity of your experiences within your physical reality. And therefore, you also do incorporate less remembrance than an essence may that is not participating within physical focus, for the essences not participating in physical focus are not constrained by beliefs. Which, I will qualify once again, that is not to say that your beliefs are the enemy or that they necessarily restrict you; they only restrict you when you oppose them.
But that being said, there are many, many individuals throughout your reality that generate associations quite strongly with gods, with guides, with angels, with guardian angels, and that can be translated into the identification of an essence that may be particularly connected with that individual’s essence. Therefore, --
KATRIN: Just a second. (Coughs) Ja.
ELIAS: Therefore, if the individual incorporates a very strong connection with another essence that there is considerable mergence with and perhaps even considerable manifestations with, the other essence most likely IS participating with the individual, even if it is not physically manifest in that time framework.
And it can be identified. I do not always express an energy that it is necessary to offer information to an individual in relation to their beliefs in correcting them, so to speak, in their identification of an angel.
KATRIN: Hm. My surprise came because I don’t believe in guardian angels, and I was surprised that in this transcript in the context of another person in the forum you answered that question to an essence name. Now I’m much clearer about it – I mean, clearer in a sense that my surprise has gone that the actual word “guardian angel” exists. Do you know what I mean?
ELIAS: Yes. I have consistently, throughout the time framework of this energy exchange, expressed that there is no god and there are no angels and there are no demons. There are no evil spirits, there are no good spirits. There are no guides. But I am also aware that some individuals generate a significant strength in their beliefs and their associations, and their experiences are quite valid and quite real, and…
KATRIN: It’s quite a comfort, the experience.
ELIAS: Yes. And in that, it is not necessary to dispute terminology in what they define as a god or an angel or a guide. They can express whatever identification they choose. It does not alter the fact that there are no guides or angels or gods, but it is not always necessary to express that to every individual.
Individuals that are not open to that suggestion would merely be confused and overwhelmed and would most likely incorporate the tendency to discount their experiences entirely, expressing to themself that what they have experienced is not real if the idea of what they have experienced is challenged.
KATRIN: Hm. I’ve got it now, the angels. I just wanted to express my surprise, and I didn’t say it quite clearly at the beginning. Ja, I have understood it. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
KATRIN: I think I have to go.
ELIAS: Very well.
KATRIN: Ah! YOU have to go, because I have to speak to Mary. (Both laugh) I stay where I am.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my dear friend. To you in tremendous lovingness and in great supportive appreciation…
KATRIN: Thank you so much.
ELIAS: …au revoir.
(Elias departs after 57 minutes)
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