Cloning, Global Expressions & Different Ways of Experiencing
Topics:
“The Nature of Cloning”
“A Major Decision”
“How Not to Participate in a Global Expression”
“The Pooling of Individuals’ Energy”
“Different Ways of Experiencing”
“What Would Elias Do?”
Session 20070129 (2187)
“The Nature of Cloning”
“A Major Decision”
“How Not to Participate in a Global Expression”
“The Pooling of Individuals’ Energy”
“Different Ways of Experiencing”
“What Would Elias Do?”
Monday, January 29, 2007 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Luana (Ring)
ELIAS: Good morning!
LUANA: Good morning, Elias. Good morning to you!
ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?
LUANA: Well, I got lots of things to discuss today. I thought we'd start off by… Let me see, my last comment to you at the last session had to do with cloning [1], and my idea was to talk to you about it. I get pretty busy around here and have lots of interesting things going on, but my time is not as robust as I would like it to be, and of course I started thinking about having some clones of myself to be able to go out and do things as me, that are me, and I could get lots of things done that way. Is that a possibility for me to do that?
ELIAS: Is it a possibility? Yes. Is it likely? Perhaps. That would depend upon your ability to defocus your attention and to somewhat (pause) create less of an attachment to a singular identity. In generating those actions, you could actually create another physical manifestation of yourself, but the challenge is not as much in the defocusing of your attention and allowing your attention the type of flexibility that would be required to maintain more than one physical manifestation, but the greater challenge would be relaxing your hold upon a singular identity.
LUANA: So at one time in the Castaneda series, I think it's probably even in the last book they had, there was a time that Don Juan was talking to Castaneda, who was sitting on a bench next to him, and Don Juan pointed out to a second figure that was across the street from him who was himself. They both looked at each other and knew that they were looking at themselves in another body. And Don Juan talked about the movement of the second attention. Is this along the same realms that you're talking about?
ELIAS: Yes.
LUANA: So since your identity is your attention, when you're talking about lessening your identity is that what you're talking about?
ELIAS: Your identity is associated with many different elements, and each individual holds very strongly to the singularity of that. One very strong element of your identity is your physical body consciousness, the physical form that you project, and you generate that very singularly. You incorporate one physical body, and there is a very strong factor of identity that is associated with that physical form.
In this, it would be a matter of relaxing that singularity, and that intensity of hold to identity, to allow you to project another physical form, another image, which would be you also and not be threatened by that.
LUANA: If I was looking at that that, would it be the body? Would be different than what I am, maybe?
ELIAS: No.
LUANA: It would be same and different at the same time?
ELIAS: If you are speaking of genuinely cloning in this type of manner energetically, rather than physically, the clone would be you also. Therefore it would think like you, it would feel like you, it would act like you, it would experience like you, it would look like you, for it would BE you; it would merely be another manifestation of you. Therefore, both of the yous would be the same. They would be two manifestations of the one you. Therefore, they would essentially be identical.
LUANA: I understand. When I started thinking about this, I started thinking, Well, that is what essence does, in a way, is cloning.
ELIAS: Yes.
LUANA: Although it doesn't clone the same identity, I presume all of my focuses look different in different eras and different times.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
LUANA: So in a way, that is the precise procedure of how essence also gets many things done at many different times.
ELIAS: Correct. But in that, in association with the blueprint of this physical reality, there is the element of separation, which allows you that individuality and your own unique identity. What occurs in generating another manifestation of one focus, such as a clone, is that first of all, the clone has been produced by you. Therefore, there is an automatic association. Regardless of whether you incorporate thought with it, there is an automatic association that the second manifestation is different or less than, for you created it. But it is identical. It is merely a second physical manifestation of you and will function in the same manner and will process in the same manner, for it IS you.
But, the association of separate identity is so very strong, there is an automatic expression that would be generated in continuing to hold to your identity and viewing the other you as not you. This would be the challenge. For in order to generate another actual physical manifestation of you, that would require you widening your awareness to a point that you would incorporate the ability to relax that intensity of a hold to the singularity of individual identity and, in a manner of speaking, incorporate both manifestations with one identity.
LUANA: You mentioned in some of your sessions that there is a possibility of a focus choosing to start a new essence?
ELIAS: Yes.
LUANA: Why would a focus choose to do that, more generally?
ELIAS: Generally speaking, an individual focus may choose that action of fragmentation, creating a new essence if that focus incorporates a strong interest or desire to continue in certain explorations that the essence is choosing to discontinue. Such as: You are aware that in choosing to participate in this physical reality, there is one focus that is designated as in the position of the initiating focus and one focus that is designated as the position of the final focus. Each focus, in a manner of speaking, is a final focus, but one is designated as a position in which as essence, when the final focus chooses to disengage, all of the focuses that participate in this reality will also discontinue to participate in this reality, for you are essence. Therefore, if you as essence choose to discontinue your participation and your exploration in association with this reality, all of your clones discontinue also.
But – each manifestation incorporates choice. Therefore, if the focus chooses NOT to disengage its participation in its exploration of this reality, it will fragment and therefore generate a new essence and create more focuses that participate in this reality. This occurs in many different realities, and it also occurs in all areas of consciousness, the action of fragmentation. But in association with THIS reality, it generally occurs in relation to that reason – although an essence can choose to be continuing within this reality, and a focus can choose to fragment for other reasons.
LUANA: When this fragmentation occurs from the focus, does developing a new essence involve choosing new intentions and choosing…? It seems to me a monumental task as to choosing all the different focuses that you would then become as the new essence.
ELIAS: But you as a focus of attention would not necessarily be dramatically affected, just as you are not necessarily dramatically affected by all of the focuses that you incorporate as essence now.
You may generate an awareness that you do incorporate other focuses, you may even connect with other focuses and offer yourself information in relation to them, but generally speaking they are not dramatically affecting of you, for this is the shield that is generated in association with identity. To preserve your individual identity and the purity of it, you conceptually know and understand that you are essence and that you incorporate many, many other yous of you as other focuses, and even venturing into probable selves and alternate selves and so on. But – you continue to maintain your own individual identity, and therefore there continues to be somewhat of a separation that you can perhaps identify or relate, in a manner of speaking, to other focuses, and you can conceptually accept that they are also you but not entirely. You continue to generate somewhat of a distinction that any other focus, any other physical manifestation, is actually not you, for you are unique.
LUANA: That's why it's spoken of as being both yourself and all that is.
ELIAS: Correct.
LUANA: I'd like to move on a little bit, if I may?
ELIAS: Very well.
LUANA: This is going to be a little bit of detail that I am going to have to give you. This is in regard, actually, to the Ten Mile Ranch project which I mentioned to you almost two-and-a-half years ago or so, but other things involved in this also. [2]
During the last two-and-a-half years or so, it's been valuable to have this time because at one point you said to me – when I was trying to decide what I wanted – you said well, you can choose ALL of those things together; you don't have to choose one over the other. And in the two-and-a-half years I've been working on this plan, I've actually been able to accomplish pretty much a win-win situation for everybody and everything involved with the ranch. And I’m about ready to start sharing this information with other people, both on the ranch and other people that might help me institute this plan.
But a little interesting side thing has come up since I first started this plan, and this has to do with global warming. I don't know whether other people have spoken to you about this in more recent sessions because they haven't been transcribed yet, but I'd like to talk to you somewhat about this area, because the Ten Mile Ranch is at sea level. And what I've noticed over the years is, when they first started talking about this phenomenon of the global warming, there were very few people that believed in it; there were maybe, I don't know, two-three percent, four-five percent, whatever it was. And at that time the scientists were coming up with the information that maybe by the next century, or two centuries away, that the possibilities of the earth warming up a degree or maybe two degrees was increasing because of the potential global warming having to do with our atmosphere changes that we are bringing about because of our use of hydrocarbons, basically, and that increase in temperature would have the effect of maybe raising the height of the ocean a centimeter or two as the landlocked ice shelves began to melt.
And about two years ago there were a number of MORE people that begin to believe it because it became more prominent in the news, and so instead of it being a century or two from now it was going to happen within OUR century, maybe 100 years from now or something, and maybe instead of 1 degree the temperature would go up 2 degrees, and there would be a little bit more melting so maybe there'd be a 6-centimeter rise in the ocean height instead of what it was the year before that. As time has gone on, and more and more people have begun to believe in this global warming and more is written about it, and more scientists are signing on to it and more people are beginning to worry about it, the temperatures continue to go up as well as the sea level goes up. I'm watching these phenomena happen as if this mass belief system now is becoming more and more prominent all over the world and everybody’s talking about it and worrying about it, and now the height is no longer a few centimeters, it's up to 40 feet now, and the temperature is going to go up 8 or 10 or 12 degrees and everybody’s going to fry and so on and so forth.
Well, in regard to the ranch, as I’m thinking about bringing on this project and I’m watching this mass belief system take over, and I’m aware of the fact that part of what my plans are for the ranch is to have people that want to work on being able to create their reality to maybe possibly change this particular mass belief system coming up, and I’m wondering a couple of things. Number one, why is this mass belief system being brought into our reality right now? And the second thing I'm wondering is, can a small group of people, or only one individual, be in opposition to that mass reality being created, and can they have a particular part of their world not engage that belief and so not be bothered by this global warming that's happening?
ELIAS: (Pause) First question: What is creating this mass expression, or why is it being created? Throughout your history you have created alterations in mass beliefs concerning the configuration of your planet, even in association with its shape, which continues to fluctuate. And in this, you have created alterations of the structure of your planet itself. In this time framework, you are creating this expression that you term to be global warming. It is not imagined, it is quite real, and it is occurring, and it is gaining energy quite rapidly.
The reason is actually somewhat – not entirely, but somewhat – associated with this Shift. It is not an element of the design of this Shift, but in a manner of speaking it is somewhat of a byproduct of shifting. For, you are changing tremendous movements within your reality. Your selves are changing, your awarenesses are changing, your realization of your abilities is changing, your awareness of your interconnectedness is changing, and as your energy changes, that is also affecting of other elements of your reality such as your planet. And as your planet changes, other elements of your universe change also, for all of your reality IS very interconnected, and you are becoming more and more aware of that interconnectedness. Therefore, what you do in one expression is affecting in another expression. It is not a matter of cause and effect; it is a matter of energy and the interconnectedness and the interrelatedness of all that you do.
In relation to these changes, as YOU change you are also changing your weather and your planet. That emphases the alterations of the reality that you are creating.
Now; this is not to say that you are moving in the direction of destruction, but you ARE moving in the direction of significant dramatic changes – not merely in weather, not merely in temperature, and not merely in the configuration of water and land mass, but in the energy of your planet itself and in how you yourselves interact with it. For in IT changing, YOU must change. In actuality it is a type of circle: you change; that affects your reality; your reality changes; and in some directions you must change to accommodate the changes that you influenced, which creates tremendous change in many, many, many different directions, but they are all interconnected.
Now; can you create an affectingness within your physical area in creating what you want and not becoming victim to what you perceive to be a negative expression? Yes, you can. But – the first element is to be recognizing yourself and not opposing, for the more you oppose, the more you contribute energy to the very thing that you oppose. As an example, if you become worried or angry in association with the creation of global warming, you begin to generate more and more importance with it, and therefore you pay more and more attention to it, and the more you pay attention to it the more you become irritated or the more you become worried or concerned. And in those expressions, you generate an automatic association that you dislike what is occurring, and the more strongly you dislike it, the more you oppose it. And the more you oppose it, the more you generate a contribution of energy to its actual creation.
The less importance it holds in your attention, the less you will oppose it. The more you acknowledge what is occurring and do not generate significant importance with it, the more flexible you can be in allowing yourself to create what you want to create regardless of what is being created elsewhere.
Can you be unaffected by a global expression? Yes!
Can you choose not to participate? Yes!
And the most effective manner to accomplish that is not to be opposing, and not to be concerning yourself with it but to be generating inventive and creative directions yourself to create what you want, and therefore not generating a compliance with certain expressions but also not opposing them.
LUANA: I'm understanding you perfectly. And I'm not really anxious or fearful or angry or anything about the weather; my thoughts were, “Why bother to put in all the time and energy that I'm going to have to do in order to take over the ownership and pass it on?” Because basically I don't particularly want to own the land, but I do want to move it into conservation and preservation, particularly the river area. So it's not a worrisome thing to me; it's just a matter of efficiency, basically, because if I'm going to be putting time and energy and my own resources into paying attention to this land and bringing production to it, and in the meantime the water [inaudible] is continuing to rise and it's going to totally be under water in a matter of a few years, why bother? I'd rather do other things.
ELIAS: But this is your choice, for yes, you can generate what you want. It is a matter of how you are directing your energy. It is not a matter of inevitability. That, my friend, is the discounting of choice, and it is, in a manner of speaking, the same as expressing fate or destiny, that a particular action is inevitable, and therefore, as you expressed yourself, why bother. It is a matter of your choices, what is important to you, what are your preferences and what you want.
LUANA: Yes, I understand that. But my question is whether what I want is in my own singular life and my choices of what I prefer and what belief system I choose to engage versus the mass belief system...
ELIAS: Ahhh!
LUANA: Everybody else believing in it.
ELIAS: One moment. This is the snare, for you are perceiving yourself as merely one individual, and what strength can one individual express in the face of the masses?
LUANA: Right.
ELIAS: And this is precisely what we were discussing previously in this conversation: the interconnectedness of all of your reality, and the power and the strength of one individual. For one individual generates merely the flag of the power, for it IS all interconnected, and contrary to what you have expressed to myself, there are many, many, many individuals – more than you imagine – that do express in similar energy as yourself.
Let me express to you my friend: What do you suppose occurs when one individual generates considerable notoriety within your world and effects tremendous changes? Is the one individual generating these tremendous changes singularly? No. The one individual may be the focal point, the one individual may be the flag and may generate the initiation of a particular movement, but creating the movement is the incorporation of many, many, many individuals that creates a mass that generates the effect. It is a pooling of energy that allows you each to draw upon tremendous resources of energy to create what you want and to generate the changes that you want to generate within your reality.
You can view any individual within your history that has created significant or notable alterations within your reality – regardless of whether you view them to be good or bad alterations, it matters not. The point is that each individual is very significant; it is merely a matter of whether the individual allows themself to express what is important to them and to pursue their preferences and therefore recognize that interconnectedness and draw upon it.
LUANA: And the drawing upon it doesn't have to be with physical proximity. I presume there are other areas that you connect with in dream state or in the subjective realms where when you're talking about drawing on other energies, it doesn't have to be in physical proximity to draw on those energies.
ELIAS: You are quite correct. No, it is not necessary to engage physical proximity. It is not necessary to actually even engage in interaction with other individuals physically. It is –
LUANA: This leads me also to… Thank you, by the way.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
LUANA: This leads me also to another inquiry I had, because I listened to your last session with me where I asked you a definition of what perception is [3], and one of the things you emphasized quite strongly, twice, is experience, that in order to have something known to you – which is part of the factor that's involved in your perception – you actually have to have experience to know a thing. And I thought, “Well, that's really interesting, because does the experience have to come from an actual physical event that happened to you, or can experience actually happen in your dream life? And does that then become the experience that you can draw on to know something in order to perceive it in physical reality?”
ELIAS: Yes.
LUANA: Are you understanding me?
ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding, and yes, you are correct. You can generate experience in many different manners, and it is not limited to what you physically experience within waking state and within your mundane actions. You can also experience within your dream activity. You can also experience within projection and meditations and visualizations.
LUANA: So if I wanted to do something like create this preference of cloning, for instance, and in my dream state I would become lucid, I would then have conscious awareness of being in the dream state and I would be able at that time to bring about the imagery of creating a clone for myself. That would then become my experience, which would then mean in my waking reality I would already have somewhat of a knowledge of that experience having happened.
ELIAS: Yes. You are correct. And in generating that, it may allow you to relax that singularity of identity and be less threatened, and therefore it may be instrumental in allowing you to actually accomplish that in your physical waking reality.
In this, it would also depend upon the type of experience that you generate within the dream interaction, for in association with that type of creation it may or may not somewhat require more than one encounter with that type of experience to allow you to genuinely generate a comfort with it to move beyond the initial experiences of automatic response of fear or threat.
LUANA: Yes. Yes.
In our last conversation together, you intimated that always working with the energies to reconfigure or to create your reality out here needn't always be dealing with problems or potential threats or whatever, which I totally agree with, and I started thinking after our conversation about instead of dealing with dire endings of the earth or nuclear wars or whatever the Shift is bringing about what I would actually do, what I would choose to create here on earth – not from a viewpoint of negativity but from a very positive viewpoint – and I'm still kind of struggling with that because it's sort of a new realm to me. And I thought to ask you that if you had a focus – which I know you do not have a focus on earth right now – and you knew what you knew, and you had widened your awareness as a 21st-century human being on the earth, what would you choose yourself to focus or engage your energies in, in creating something here of the earth and of what's happening now?
ELIAS: What would I choose to engage?
LUANA: Yes, or what would you choose to create or to manifest, or what would your preferences be as far as moving the energy here?
ELIAS: But incorporating the awareness that I incorporate now?
LUANA: Yes.
ELIAS: This is an interesting question. I would create quite simply, for I recognize that the concerns that are so strongly expressed by individuals are actually unnecessary – not that they are not real, but that they require a tremendous expression of energy which is actually not necessary.
I would engage observing. I would express to you that I find it quite fascinating to observe the workings and the musings of your reality in all that is created within it and how it all moves together. Therefore, perhaps I would not be a great or famous individual but more an observer, similar to individuals that observe enormous colonies of ants. They incorporate a fascinating societal structure and tremendous determination and strength and are always building, but also all recognize their interconnectedness, and this is what YOU are doing. And in that, I would express that this is a fascinating picture to watch and to observe. For, I experience no compulsion to alter any expression of it; I also experience no compulsion to save or destroy any of it. Therefore, with no cause or no mission to be expressed, that allows myself the freedom to merely observe what is being created – which, in a manner of speaking, not quite but somewhat, is what I engage in the position that I occupy now. (Laughs)
LUANA: Yes, it's true. So you would not be choosing at this time to be creating but to be observing.
ELIAS: That is a type of creating.
LUANA: Observing is creating?
ELIAS: Yes!
LUANA: In what way?
ELIAS: For that is an action also, and therefore in observing I am creating a perception, and in creating a perception I am also creating all that I am observing.
LUANA: Hm. Hm.
ELIAS: The difference is that if I am observing with the awareness that I incorporate presently, I am aware that I am not motivated by a mission, and I do not view as an observer any of the expressions within your reality to be good or bad; they are all choices. Therefore, there is no motivation to alter any of it, but merely to observe and to watch how it develops itself.
LUANA: Yes, I understand that, but probably I would come back with you and say, “Well, perhaps that's because you don't have a body, and I have a body.” And one of the last questions I have to ask you, because I do try to alter certain things, because it's within my capability of doing so and because I want to, is the cataract that I talked to you about last time. And I have one final question today, if I may?
EL Very well.
LUANA: And I think what I will do is just read this out of my journal, because it'll make it go faster and I can fill in if you need any more information.
This is in regard to altering the cloudiness of my right eye, the cataract that I have with my right eye, rather than doing surgery on this and to be able to promote this reality for myself. So, this is what I've written: Elias said singing, particularly with words, raises the vibrational quality of my energy centers, making them lighter or less dense, which would be helpful to promoting a clear lens in my right eye. He mentioned happiness as a component of that process, so the feeling, or energy which expresses itself, in my perception world, as happiness, enhances or engages what I want, which is to reconfigure the cataract. So in this instance, the feeling component of happiness is effective when doing work upon my body, which I create. So concomitantly, as I am trying to affect my perception or creating of the physical world which is not my body – though I recognize that the physical world out here is an extension of myself and engaging certain feelings also – I want to know whether this adds an effectiveness also of reconfiguring energy. For instance, if I add something on the feeling component level, does this help reconfigure something like changing a rock into a tree in my perception sense? And if it's true that the feeling component of myself is a factor in reconfiguring energy, are certain energies more effective than others?
ELIAS: They are all effective. It is not a matter of are certain feelings more effective than others; it is a matter of attention. As you are aware, you can recognize that when individuals are expressing negative feelings, they generate more of an intensity in what they create, for they generate a stronger attention with that and automatically generate opposing energies, which perpetuates whatever they are creating. Therefore, many times it appears that negative feelings may be stronger than what you identify as positive feelings, but in actuality it is more a matter of attention and how your attention is directed.
Your attention, generally speaking, is directed in less strength to positive feelings than it is to negative.
LUANA: Well, that doesn't make quite enough sense to me then. If I’m working on changing the cataract and I’m singing a song, then it would seem to be that a negative song would be more effective for changing the cataract than a positive one.
ELIAS: No, this is not what I am expressing. What I am expressing is a matter of attention. I am expressing to you that in general, individuals tend to pay stronger attention to negative expressions than they do to positive. As an example, your attention is moving significantly to your right eye. Why? You are motivated to pay more attention to your right eye, for you define that it is malfunctioning. You are not paying as much attention to your left eye that is functioning as you are to your right eye. You are not engaging actions to support your left eye as much as you are with your right eye.
LUANA: So, it's attention and not feeling – whether it's ANY kind of a feeling, happiness or joy or whatever, it helps to reconfigure the energy. As far as perception goes, which creates a reality, the feeling component of things is not paramount.
ELIAS: No, it is not paramount, but it can be instrumental, for that is an expression that you can quite definitely manipulate, and you can experience the alterations of those manipulations. Just as we discussed, you can incorporate singing, and [when you are] engaging singing a happy song you can feel the alteration of your energy. It becomes obvious. You can engage singing a tragic song, and you can also feel the alteration of your energy. Therefore, it allows you to incorporate a focal point in directing your energy, and it allows you to intentionally manipulate energy in the manner that you want. And, it also can distract you from generating opposing energies which would be expressed in continuing to move your attention to what you do not like.
LUANA: I think I've got that, but I think I'm gonna have to listen to the tape one more time. (Both laugh) I think I'm filled up with too many “ahas” inside of my head in order to sort them out right now. So I’m going to say a good afternoon to you. It's after 12 and my hour is gone plus a few minutes, so I appreciate again all the information you've given me, and I love you and I will move on with my day and maybe become just a simple observer.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And I express tremendous appreciation to you, my friend. (Laughs) And great encouragement in all of your directions and activities. (Laughs)
LUANA: Thank you, dear.
ELIAS: Until our next meeting, in dear friendship and in great lovingness, au revoir.
LUANA: Sweet lovingness to you too, my dear. Au revoir.
[1] Session 2125
[2] Session 1540
[3] Session 2125
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