Session 200701071

Being Bold


“Being Bold”
“Experimenting with Sexual Expressions in a Safe Environment”
“Directing/Observing, Final Focuses, and Essence Flecks”
“Evelyn/Rili’s first chat with Elias”

Sunday, January 7, 2007 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Debi (Oona) and Evelyn (Rili)

ELIAS: Good morning!

DEBI: Good morning! How’s my friend?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

DEBI: “As always”: I knew you’d say that. I have a little friend here who would like to say hello to you. Would that be ok?

ELIAS: Very well.

DEBI: This is Rili, Evelyn. I’m gonna put her on real quick, okay?

ELIAS: Very well.

EVELYN: Hello?

ELIAS: Good morning!

EVELYN: Good morning. How are you?

ELIAS: I am quite well, thank you.

EVELYN: That’s good.

ELIAS: And how are YOU?

EVELYN: I’m good, thank you. I have a question. It’s about one of my friends.

ELIAS: Very well.

EVELYN: I think her essence color is pink, but I’m not sure. Her name is Lauren.

ELIAS: You are quite correct.

EVELYN: Wow! Do you know her essence name? Because I’m not sure about that. We just call her “Pink-Punk.”

ELIAS: (Laughs) One moment.


ELIAS: Essence name: Pelae [pell’-ay]. P-E-L-A-E.

EVELYN: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome!

EVELYN: ‘kay. Bye-bye, thank you. Here’s mom.

ELIAS: Very well.

DEBI: Hi! (Elias laughs) Isn’t she lovely?

ELIAS: Quite!

DEBI: I so appreciate you speaking with Ev.

Well, it’s been a little while, my friend, and I know you’ve been with me and I’ve got a few questions for ya, so I would kind of like to do as always and run through my friends’ questions and a couple things, and then let’s jump into some meaty stuff.

ELIAS: Very well.

DEBI: Sound good? (Elias laughs) Okay. For Sheri/Milde, I’m just reading what she wrote: “I’ve had a tickle/cough in my throat for months. I’m guessing it has to do with expression, but I’m not sure in what way. Maybe he can give me a clue or two” – that being you. I don’t know if that’s...

ELIAS: I am understanding. You may express to her that her impression is correct. It is associated with expressing herself but being aware of HOW she is expressing herself.

DEBI: Oh, so it’s kind of a reminder to be aware of how you’re expressing?

ELIAS: Yes. And being aware of what type of energy she is projecting when she is expressing and what her motivation is.

DEBI: Okay. Okay. Perfect! That made sense to me (Elias laughs), but it’s always easier to look at someone else. Wasn’t it you who said we know ourselves the least? (Laughs)

ELIAS: You are quite correct!

DEBI: It is true. Okay, thank you for that, and she said to thank you also ahead of time.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

DEBI: Now, for Sandy/Allesander: He has three focus questions he would like confirmed. The first one is Gonzalo de Sandoval, who is a conquistador with Cortes; is that a focus of his?

ELIAS: Yes. Correct.

DEBI: And he’s directing, right?


DEBI: The next one is John Jacob Astor, the one who died on the Titanic?

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: And last but not least, Cabeza de Vaca, a Spanish explorer?

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: He’s gonna be really happy. He always gets “No, you’re OE or counterpart or whatever. (Elias laughs) I think this is the first time he’s had a trifecta (both laugh).

Okay, I need to clarify: Olaf the White, who is my husband in my Aud focus: Is that a focus of Malhai?


DEBI: Yes, okay. All righty, and is Evelyn an initiating focus for Rili?

ELIAS: No; continuing.

DEBI: Continuing, okay. And then Sandy brought up an interesting question last night about my dog. Is my dog an initiating focus? (Both laugh)

ELIAS: That would not actually be quite accurate, for creatures are not actually focuses.

DEBI: That’s what I thought. I mean, I thought this doesn’t make sense to me in focus terms, but… Okay, here’s the way I see it: The day we found the dog was the day we created the dog.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: The energy existed.

ELIAS: Yes. It is how you configure it.

DEBI: It’s how I configured it?


DEBI: Okay, because she looks sort of like a platypus, like a combination of parts of other animals (both laugh). Anyway, that was just an interesting question.

I’ve been dying to ask you for the longest time my essence animal and my focus animal, and I’ve kind of gone back and forth, so what I want to do is, my first initial impression was that my essence animal is a jaguar.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: Okay. All right. So that leaves me with my focus animal. It’s either a meerkat or a Tasmanian devil.

ELIAS: The latter.

DEBI: (Laughs) Of course it would be! (Elias laughs) Meerkats are just something I love. (Elias laughs) So I was right with my initial impressions. I’m glad! Is Blackbeard a focus of mine?

ELIAS: Observing.

DEBI: OE, okay. And Billy Bob Thornton?

ELIAS: Counterpart.

DEBI: Okay. Anthony Kiedis?

ELIAS: Also observing.

DEBI: OE. And would he be a focus of Sasha?


DEBI: Yes. And that’s the essence that Sandy and I fragmented. Okay, so he’s a focus of Sasha, and I OE him.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: Okay. Winnie Troutt, a Titanic survivor: Is that a focus of mine?

ELIAS: Observing.

DEBI: And a friend of mine suggested a book to me by Constantine Cavafy. Am I related to Constantine Cavafy by any chance, as a focus or an OE?

ELIAS: A family member.

DEBI: Oh, I’m a family member of. Wife? No, he was gay. (Elias chuckles) I’m guessing. I’m gonna just let that go and we’ll hit that one the next time around. No, I’m his brother.


DEBI: Okay, I better quit, huh? (Both laugh) When we did visit the Titanic we got cards of different people, and the card that Evelyn got, I want to ask you, is that a focus of hers? I can’t think of the name. Can you access that?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DEBI: So that is her focus, okay. Am I counterpart with Terri Irwin?


DEBI: Yes. Okay. And the last one on my focus hunt: I believe I have a focus by the name of… it sounds like Nyoni, N-Y-O-N-I, something like that, in the Malonga tribe as a female. Can you straighten me out on that?

ELIAS: You are correct.

DEBI: Okay, so her name is Nyoni, female, and it is the Malonga tribe.


DEBI: Thank you. Okay. Do Diette and Rili have focuses, as well as I, as Valkyries?


DEBI: Both of them do. Well, I got my name through Iona. I’ll have to research and figure out who they are. Awesome!

I need to talk to you about a couple of things, one of them being will you tell me how to pronounce, is it Lazour, Lazhour, Lazour...? What is the current tone for this essence?

ELIAS: Lazour.

DEBI: Lazour, like L-A-Z-O-U-R.


DEBI: Okay. It’s almost like “…oor,” Lazoor. Thank you! That’s driven me crazy. And now what I want to ask you about is my interactions with this essence. It’s my impression that I have been interacting very intensely with Lazour.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: And I am, correct. Now, I’m translating that into some very deeply sexual-type stuff, and I’m trying to understand… Well, first of all, I’m having a hard time couching these questions because I’m not quite sure… I had a desire to get to know this essence. I’m getting a lot into some areas with men and stuff that we’re going to talk about in a minute, and I guess what I kinda wanted to ask you is, I understand that when we interact with others, they can be projecting energy and I can translate it any way I want. So for instance I can translate Lazour’s energy very sexually, but I also wonder if part of the interaction was Lazour working with me in that area?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DEBI: Okay, you’re understanding my question.


DEBI: He – she – I refer to him in the male - so that IS a very specific thing that he’s helping me with?


DEBI: He’s helping me have an awful lot of fun! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: It is –

DEBI: Is he the one that picked me up? It was like I was having a dream – this was maybe three or four months ago – and I wasn’t quite awake. It was really lucid, but I thought I was awake – I’m not sure, but I literally felt someone like a strong man lift me up off of my bed real tenderly, you know like a husband would pick a wife up to carry her or you would pick a small child up and carry her. I literally felt myself being lifted up by some hands…


DEBI: That was Lazour?


DEBI: Oh, it was! Oh, that was so cool! (Elias chuckles) It scared me at first, and I opened my eyes and I saw I was in bed but I just kind of drifted back into the experience and then it became very sexual feeling. But I wasn’t real sure who I was with, what was going on and all that. So all of that is part of working together and me branching out a little bit more… I guess the word is sexually.

ELIAS: And becoming more comfortable.

DEBI: Umm. With that expression?


DEBI: So that maybe I can actually do it with live people?

ELIAS: (Laughs) It is a supportiveness which is being offered to you to allow you to generate different associations in which you can become more comfortable and recognize that this is a natural expression.

DEBI: Oh my god, it’s so totally different. It’s so total. It’s beyond just the immediate sexual gratification thing, it’s my whole body just feels loved. I feel like a goddess! (Elias chuckles) Are you understanding?


DEBI: That’s what interacting with him in that way makes me feel like, and it makes me feel like that’s how it’s SUPPOSED to be.


DEBI: Or that that’s how I prefer it to be.


DEBI: So would you consider that part of that gray area for me where we talked about a while back, as far as relationships and sex and this and that and the other? You told me, “Get out of the black and white, allow yourself more things”?

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct.

DEBI: Okay, that’s part of that as well. I kinda thought so. Well, then, that moves us into my… I’ve met several men online, and I have questions about a couple of them, but one overall question: Is all of this… not the interactions with the women and the friends and all that, but the ones that are very sexual, this is also a part of me playing in that gray area, correct?

ELIAS: Yes, and allowing yourself to be expressive in what you would associate as a safe environment.

DEBI: Okay, exactly: “I’m here, you’re over there, nothing can really go wrong.” (Laughs) “Nothing bad can happen to me.”

ELIAS: Correct! And you can experiment and you can allow yourself to express yourself but in an environment that you experience a sense of security, and in that, you are not entirely investing yourself; you are allowing yourself to experiment and allowing yourself to be expressive.

DEBI: It’s really been fun, it really has, and I guess for those reasons I get a little… You know me, I get a little carried away. I want to ask you something specifically, first of all. Is [name omitted] even real? (Both laugh) Did I generate some…? I can’t pin this one down. Is this a real person?

ELIAS: Yes, this is a real individual.

DEBI: Okay. Well, he’s so back and forth I can’t figure him out. The last message I got from him was to get this book by Constantine Cavafy. Is HE Constantine Cavafy?


DEBI: No. But he kind of led me to finding someone who I’m a family member of.

ELIAS: Yes, for you are drawing that to yourself.

DEBI: I’m drawing that to myself, and so he was a great tool to do that.


DEBI: I don’t know what to do with him. (Elias laughs) I don’t know what to do with [him]. I know what I WANT to do with [him]; everybody wants to do that with [him]!

Anyway, I want to ask you about my Russian friend [name omitted]. Are we in any way like essence twins?

ELIAS: Not essence twins, but there is a strong familiarity, for there is a strong interaction of these essences.

DEBI: I would assume that means we probably share a lot of focuses.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DEBI: And are they typically of this very supportive back-and-forth nature, or would they run the gamut of relationships?

ELIAS: Different capacities of relationships, but mostly quite intimate.

DEBI: Okay, like lovers, husbands, wives, stuff like that?

ELIAS: Yes, and family members.

DEBI: Family; okay. ‘Cause we kind of connected so deeply so quickly, it was as if we’d known each other for much longer.

I don’t really want to go too much into it because you already answered. A lot of the stuff I’m doing online is basically playing, exploring, exposing in a safe environment, and I have been rather bold. Have you noticed?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And this is practicing. It is practicing allowing and not restricting yourself.

DEBI: You know, every time I’ve made what I consider to be a very bold move, I’ve gotten nothing but a lot of love back.

ELIAS: And therefore surprising yourself also.

DEBI: Surprising myself in such a delightful way.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, what you are doing is offering yourself new experiences, and in those new experiences you can generate clearer evaluations, for you incorporate a broader foundation of reference points.

DEBI: So, basically this gives me a much better view of what type of individual I really… I’m clarifying what I really want.


DEBI: So I’m trying a lot of different, um, outfits on.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, and in that, you are also allowing yourself to experiment with your own expressions and allowing yourself to risk, and when you engage that type of action, you present yourself with new experiences and you open new doors.

DEBI: Oh my god, it’s so true. Some of ‘em are a little scary, a little freaky, a little… gosh, I’m not even sure… I know you understand what I’m talking about. But I’ve gotten a little involved and then went, “Ooh, gosh, what am I doing? This guy’s in another country and he’s married now. What the hell, I don’t care, we’re never gonna see each other anyway.” (Laughs)

ELIAS: But in that, it also allows you to more clearly evaluate your own guidelines and your own preferences.

DEBI: Exactly. Like, you know, my core truth – honor – well, sometimes I find these guys out: “You’re married?” That kind of stomps all over one of my core truths, of honor, and I think to myself, “Yeah, but you’re so much fun I’m still not giving you up, okay?” (Laughs) So it is giving me a chance to evaluate all of that.

ELIAS: In this my friend, remember: It is important for you to genuinely evaluate in conjunction WITH your guideline and not be moving so into the black and white, recognizing what you are actually DOING and what your motivation is, and genuinely allowing yourself to evaluate are you actually moving in opposition to your guidelines in relation to what to what you are actually DOING and what your motivation is, or are you merely experimenting in expressing yourself, not with the intention of being dishonorable but merely experimenting.

DEBI: I think it’s more that.

ELIAS: You are correct, and this is the reason that –

DEBI: Because you know in my heart of hearts I want to hurt no one.

ELIAS: I’m understanding, and this is the reason that I present that to you, that you will not discount yourself or question yourself. If you are aware of your motivation, you can evaluate if you are generating an expression in opposition to your guideline or if you are not.

DEBI: Yeah, I can tell, if I get that twinge, I know.


DEBI: And if I hit an area where “Wait a minute, this is a little too far,” or “You’re a little too close,” or whatever, then I get… Can I ask you a question about one guy in particular?


DEBI: I’ve just found one that’s actually within driving distance, and I’m not quite sure how to pose this question. (Sighs) Is he just part and parcel of the rest of them? Or, do you see me moving toward actually having a real live-body relationship, or would you just lump him in with the rest of the experimental stage? I’m talking about [name].

ELIAS: I’m understanding. I would express that you have drawn this individual to yourself also in similar manner to the other individuals.

This is not to say that you cannot engage the individual in physical proximity and continue your exploration in different manners, but this individual would also be one that you have drawn for the purpose of facilitating your own experimentation.

DEBI: Okay. That’s what I needed to know. I’m assuming I share focuses with all of these guys, but that may or may not be true. Is it?

ELIAS: Yes, you do.

DEBI: I do. Okay. Because I know we kind of “hang together.”

Well, you kind of answered a lot of my questions in that, just by myself opening a blog, and when I blog, I blog about me right now, where I’m at – the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful, and all that. I consider that to be a bold move.


DEBI: And it’s been really good for me in a lot of ways. So I guess I just wanted you to co-sign. You told me, “Don’t be afraid to be bold,” and I started trying to figure out where do I go to be bold? (Elias laughs) What do I do? And so I think these interactions with these men – and women, as well – I’ve made some wonderful friends and branched out with people with a lot of different belief systems and things like that, so I think that’s all part and parcel of me being bolder, exposing more of myself, but also my desire to understand others’ beliefs so as to focus on our similarities and not our differences.


DEBI: And so I think that’s also part of what this online experience has been for me, is it’s allowed me to be in contact with many different types of people.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DEBI: So, I think that’s pretty good.

I don’t have a whole lot of huge problems right now, although you’re with me all the time, you’ve seen me totally lose it and come back. I want your opinion. I’m not, like, overly concerned, but would you think that this might be a time for me to start cutting back on my medication? Am I okay now in your viewpoint with still what I’m doing because it’s kinda working for me, or do you have a suggestion?

ELIAS: I would express encouragement to you. I would express presently to you to be generating a balance – once again, not moving into the “either/or.”

DEBI: Like no cold-turkeying.

ELIAS: Correct. I would NOT be advocating of that action.

DEBI: Yeah, I know you know how I am about that.

ELIAS: And in that, I would express that you can generate the action that you are considering, for that can be an acknowledgement of yourself and your progress, but not to overwhelm yourself.

DEBI: So if I decide to do it just take it slow and easy like anybody with a good head on their shoulders. (Laughs)


DEBI: Thank you for that. I really appreciate it.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

DEBI: I kind of felt the same way, I just guess I kind a wanted you to verify that for me, you know?

Now, one of the big things I wanted to ask you about is, I absolutely love the Museum of Latin American Art. I volunteer down there. I put in an application. I boldly told them I’m here because I want a job here, blah, blah, blah. I know you’re not going to tell my future because you can’t… Or maybe you can but you won’t! (Both laugh) But, do you feel me on the right track? I so love art!


DEBI: But I’m not an artist

ELIAS: I am greatly encouraging of you, my friend.

DEBI: Oh gosh, thanks so much!

ELIAS: For this can be an avenue in which you can genuinely engage yourself, engage your preferences, and generate fun and an environment that you genuinely enjoy and appreciate, and therefore, it will not be work.

DEBI: I so am there! I’m getting a job there, Elias. (Elias laughs) I am! I totally am, I know I am.

ELIAS: And I express my congratulations to you in this movement.

DEBI: Thank you, sir. (Elias chuckles) I’ll take that congratulations with so much love because you were so right, I got bold in my own little scaredy-cat way, but I DID. And I just said, “I’m here because I want a job!” And I couldn’t believe what was coming out of my mouth, and nobody freaked out! (Elias chuckles) I expected them to look at each other and roll their eyes and all that, sort of in the back of my mind, but they didn’t. They were like, “Cool!”

ELIAS: For when you appreciate and acknowledge your own enthusiasm and your own excitement, other individuals reflect that.

DEBI: Yes, they do! And I don’t even know where I want to work there, but I know that I’ll find my spot. I just know that I will.


DEBI: I don’t know what my options are, but I don’t think I have to yet. I filled out the application as the director said, filled it out and I gave it to him, and I’m just chillin’ right now, because it was the holidays and all that, and the museum is being built up and new jobs are being generated – which I know I’m creating, right?


DEBI: And I know I’m gonna get one. I’m gonna get me one of those! (Both laugh) I’m so excited because I so want to be there! I love it there! (Elias chuckles) Have you ever been to the museum with me when I was there?


DEBI: Do you feel me?


DEBI: Ahhh! When I’m kinda like I am right now. I don’t know why, I just love it. This is, I guess, a theme through most of my focuses, or my essence in general loves that. I’m an aficionado; I’m not an artiste myself, I just appreciate it and the energy. God, it’s so Sumari it’s a phase. (Elias laughs) But I love that! It’s just… Oh, thanks. I’m just….Thanks! Thanks so much – you’re such a good anchorman!

ELIAS: (Laughs) You are very welcome. I am TREMENDOUSLY encouraging.

DEBI: I don’t have a whole lot left on… Oh god, you just made my day. I just… (Elias laughs) God, I feel good.

A couple of questions I wanted clarification on. Two topics, one being final focus and the other observing/directing. I would like to know… I don’t think, honestly – and maybe this may differ on whether it’s lifetime observing or not, maybe it doesn’t differ – but I have a sense that you have couched things the way you have so that we don’t lose our identity.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: That there really is no difference between an observing and a directing.

ELIAS: You are correct.

DEBI: They can switch places anytime they want.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DEBI: It is correct, isn’t it?


DEBI: Is that only applicable to lifetime observings, or does that also apply to even a 10-minute observation?

ELIAS: It applies regardless of the time framework of the action.

DEBI: And am I correct in saying that you kind of didn’t want to break that off to us too quickly so that we wouldn’t feel lost, or not special?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking you are actually correct, for within your reality you hold so strongly to specifics and singularity and identities, and in that it becomes confusing if those identities are blurred and are not absolute.

DEBI: Exactly. And until we got to a point to where we could grasp the process – I’ll speak for myself – until I got to the point where I could say, “Okay, I’m cool with that, now I’m ready to hear that yes, that is actually what’s happening.”

Can I ask you how many observers I have onboard right now?

ELIAS: Of you?

DEBI: Um-hm.

ELIAS: 12.

DEBI: ‘Cause I’m so freakin’ fascinating, isn’t it? (Elias laughs) Actually, what it sort of more means is that the 12 of us make up Oona in some weird way. [Note: She meant to say Debi, but Elias understood]. Are any of them essences that I currently know in this focus?

ELIAS: No. But remember: that fluctuates.

DEBI: Yes, I know. At one point you told me I had two or three observings and now I have 12. I know that that does fluctuate and will fluctuate, but for all intents and purposes, there really is no difference in an observing and a directing because we do change places all the time, don’t we?

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: Like as far as… how do I say it? Do you know what I mean?

ELIAS: Yes. Within consciousness, there is no separation.

DEBI: Yeah!

ELIAS: But there IS separation within your reality, and to an extent it is purposeful, for it allows you your individuality and your identity, and it is in keeping with the structure and the blueprint of this reality. Therefore, that is the reason that you do incorporate separation, and some of the expressions of it are quite beneficial. But within consciousness, outside of physical realities – and even some physical realities do not actually incorporate as much separation – but within consciousness there actually IS no separation, for consciousness is not a THING.

DEBI: You’re right. Yeah, I get it. I don’t know what to do with that. I kind of feel like, “Everybody, come on in!”

ELIAS: To generate separation you must incorporate things, manifestations.

DEBI: Right. Things we give names to.

ELIAS: And that is what creates separation – objects. But, consciousness is not a thing, and therefore there actually IS no separation.

DEBI: So while I… Let me see if I can say this correctly. Okay, my essence name is Oona – is it still Oona?

ELIAS: Yes. (Both laugh)

DEBI: “Ooooooo-Naaaaaaa” – I love that name, by the way, so I’m keeping it. I don’t care how much it fluctuates. (Elias laughs) But anyway, I have tons of different names, we know that, but I feel like it’s cool. Like, I have a lot of observers, fine. I guess they all influence me in some manner, way shape or form, and maybe even the addition has helped me grow in certain directions I wanted to grow in.

ELIAS: Correct. Yes, you are correct. Their influence is merely what you draw upon.

DEBI: Oh, okay. So I’ll draw certain things just because that’s what I’m doing right now.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: I’ll draw certain essences to me that… I think we understand each other, but I’m having a hard time making words.

ELIAS: I am understanding. You draw other energies to you in conjunction with your exploration and the direction that you are moving in and what you want to present to yourself or what you want to discover, what you want to offer to yourself in information. You incorporate the term “growth” and, in a manner of speaking, that can be somewhat correct, for it is an expansion. And as you expand and as you explore, whatever direction you engage you draw energies to you to enhance your experiences, to generate more information, and to be supportive in what you are experiencing.

DEBI: Oh, that’s so cool! I love that explanation.

ELIAS: It is not that other essences, or other energies, are influencing you to generate certain experiences; it is that you are generating certain experiences and you are DRAWING those energies TO you to be supportive and to enhance your experiences.

DEBI: And that will change as my direction and desires and explorations change as well?


DEBI: Perfect! This is such a wonderful dimension. It’s so frickin’ complex some days, and other days it’s like “How could I possibly live anywhere else?” You know? (Elias laughs) It amazes me.

Well, I just have one final thing I wanted to run by you regarding the final focus thing. I just wanted to clarify something with you. It’s a little bit head-bangy for me, but regarding the final focus, I just want to state this to you and you let me know if I’m on track or not, okay? And would you mind if I flipped my tape over very quickly?

ELIAS: Very well.

DEBI: One moment, just a second. I appreciate your patience. (Elias laughs) It’s like you have all the time in the world. (Both laugh)

Okay, we’re back on. So regarding the final focus, it’s my understanding now that it doesn’t really matter when the final focus… Because simultaneous time is simultaneous time, every single moment that ever existed exists right now –

ELIAS: Correct. Yes.

DEBI: So knowing that, when the final focus disengages, it’s my understanding now that it doesn’t mean that in that moment in time all of the other focuses get the rallying cry, “Hey, it’s time to make a decision” – all they do is when they decide that they want to disengage, if the final focus has already disengaged, is it correct to say that if the final focus has already disengaged, the continuing focuses, when they choose to disengage, will know that they need to make a choice at that point in time whether they want to leave this dimension forever or to fragment?

ELIAS: Correct, but you may –

DEBI: But it doesn’t necessarily happen in that same moment, but the…

ELIAS: Correct, and you may not necessarily be objectively aware of that action. But dependent upon your individual desire in association with your exploration, you will either choose to disengage from this reality or you will choose to continue, in which you will fragment and generate a new essence.

DEBI: Well, am I still the final focus?


DEBI: Okay. So when I go, I’ve already made that choice. I’m not fragmenting, I’m going.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: Okay. Good! (Both laugh) I’m gonna try my best to get in as much as I can before I go.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, this I am aware is somewhat of a confusing subject to many individuals, for when the designated final focus chooses to disengage, that is a signal to all of the other focuses.

Now; remember: All of these focuses ARE simultaneous; therefore, when the others choose to disengage, they will be naturally engaging that action in conjunction with the designated final focus.

DEBI: Oh, so that it would be kinda the ever-present-now-moment. They do make the decision at that point: “I’m either gonna disengage or fragment.”

ELIAS: Yes. For it is the individual’s choice when they will disengage, and a continuing focus or an initiating focus, once they choose to disengage do not return to this reality. NONE of the focuses return to this reality; that would be redundant.

DEBI: Exactly.

ELIAS: Therefore, in ONE manner of speaking, EVERY focus is a final focus.

DEBI: That’s kind of what I was feeling. I’m glad you put it that way.

ELIAS: But, one focus is the DESIGNATED final focus – which, that designation is merely the designation of a signal point.

DEBI: Okay. In other words, if you guys decide to croak, the final has already left. Well, they have to make that decision anyway.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: Whether to stay or go. What if they disengage… I know this is weird, it’s si-time [simultaneous time] and I get messed up in this area. What if a continuing focus disengages today and Debi doesn’t?

ELIAS: It matters not.

DEBI: It matters not, because Debi will eventually – si-time being si-time – disengage, and that focus, if it disengages today it still has that same choice of either fragmenting or not coming back.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEBI: And that explains what you said about in a manner of speaking all focuses are final focuses.

ELIAS: Correct. For once you have generated the exploration of this focus in this reality, and you choose to engage the action of death, you move into other areas of consciousness. You explore other areas, for you have already explored this reality, and you have explored it in your experiences and all of the other experiences of all of your other focuses which have been occurring simultaneously.

DEBI: And they gain the benefit of all MY explorations.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore it is unnecessary to remanifest within this same physical reality. You MAY choose to project what we have expressed as an essence “fleck.”

DEBI: Oh, like a little piece?

ELIAS: Yes. You can, subsequent to disengaging or subsequent to essence removing itself from a particular reality, project essence flecks, which are what may loosely be identified as small expressions of attention that are projected to other focuses that can participate with the other focuses and continue to be somewhat partially participating in this reality – or any reality – and not actually engage manifestations but continue to experience somewhat in conjunction with the reality through the experiences of other focuses of other essences.

DEBI: Okay. “Flecks” – what a cool term!

ELIAS: But that is not what you term to be reincarnation. It is not a remanifestation.

DEBI: It’s not physical, right?

ELIAS: Correct. But it is an element – a small element – of attention that can be projected to any manifestation or any focus within the reality. It is not limited to focuses.

DEBI: Is that anything comparable to what you do?


DEBI: Okay, now I’ve got a grip on it. So what you’re doing is kind of the fleck thing when you interact with us? You don’t, like, walk into my room and sit down and we have a chat, although you have or we could and all that, but…

ELIAS: No, that is a different action. That is a projection of energy, which does involve considerable attention.

DEBI: Absolutely.

ELIAS: What I am expressing is a SMALL element of attention which the essence can project to any manifestation within the physical reality – such as a creature, or it can be an individual, or it can be a plant, a tree. It can be a mountain. It can be an ocean, a stream.

DEBI: It’s just like maybe I disengage but I still hold a tremendous love of a particular mountain or some such thing in this dimension. I may choose to revisit that in energy.


DEBI: That’s awesome!

ELIAS: And project a fleck of attention in energy and merge with that manifestation, and in that, you can continue to experience it without actually generating a manifestation.

DEBI: I love that. That’s so cool. It’s sort of like knowing that “you can always go back home” if you want to.

ELIAS: (Laughs) In a manner of speaking.

DEBI: In some weird kind of way. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding. And in this, this is not an uncommon expression to engage.

DEBI: I would think not, yeah. Do you do that? Do you have favorite places and things from when you were here that you revisit?

ELIAS: Yes! I engage projecting these essence flecks actually quite frequently, and I do incorporate a preference for engaging that with your creatures.

DEBI: Particularly like the butterflies?

ELIAS: Those, and also other animals.

DEBI: What’s your favorite?

ELIAS: I’m particularly fond of butterflies, but I also incorporate a preference for canines, and I incorporate a preference for seals.

DEBI: Seals?


DEBI: Very cool!

ELIAS: For in generating this type of action, it allows you to experience the experience of the creature.

DEBI: And each of those three are very different.


DEBI: So you get a totally different experience with each one.

ELIAS: Yes. When you are interactive with creatures within your physical reality, you are a creature yourself. You are one species; they are other species. Your languages are different, your experiences are different, and you do not experience what the creature is experiencing. But –

DEBI: But you do when you engage the fleck action.


DEBI: YOU – actually it’s like merging with the butterfly or the canine or the seal. You get that experience, correct?


DEBI: Ah! This is so cool, Elias! (Elias laughs) It really is. You know, it’s very comforting. You know I love animals – I love animals, and I love my new dog. I don’t know if you’ve engaged any interaction with my dog or not, but she just seems different in some way I can’t explain. (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Laughs) Or perhaps YOU are different now.

DEBI: (Laughs) That’s probably more accurate.

ELIAS: For YOU are paying more attention, and you are allowing yourself to notice more and to be more interactive and to generate more of an understanding.

DEBI: Well, I’ll tell you one thing: They are absolute MASTERS at showing you how to be in the now.


DEBI: I mean, when I forget what that means, all I have to do is turn and look at my dog and go, “Yep, that’s it.” (Elias laughs) “That’s it right there – total attention on self, in the now.” Whether it be sleeping, playing, running or whatever, they are the most exquisite example of attention on self in the now. And I get that, and I love that.


DEBI: I’m really happy now that we got a dog, because a dog suits our family much better than the birds did. (Elias laughs) And no harm, no foul on the birds [Note: Debi says, “No pun intended!”], I loved the birds but I couldn’t interact with the birds the way I can with the dog.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

DEBI: You know I hate to say it, but I swear an hour has passed, and it went so fast! (Elias laughs) But you have absolutely been a joy to talk to today. You always are, but this has been a really cool session. It’s been a long time, and I just kinda really missed hearing your voice and just wanted to… I guess I wanted you to tell me, “Yes, you are on track, you’re gonna be okay, you ARE okay.”

ELIAS: And you are!

DEBI: And that’s how I feel. In our conversation you’ve let me know that yes, I am moving forward, I’m gettin’ my groove on, so to speak. (Both laugh) I will try to just kinda take it gently and slowly and not be too sloppy and trust myself. And I’m thrilled like I can’t even… God, you just feel me about the museum. (Elias laughs) I mean, be still my heart!

Anyway, I won’t go on about that, but I want to tell you I love you like the sun on a rainy day. (Elias laughs) I thank you so much, so much for just being with me all the time and just for everything you do. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend. (Chuckles) I express tremendous appreciation of you and great encouragement. Hold to that enthusiasm, my friend; it shall serve you well. (Chuckles)

DEBI: Aw, I love that. Thank you!

ELIAS: In great lovingness and in dear friendship, until our next meeting, au revoir.

DEBI: Au revoir, my friend.

(Elias departs after 64 minutes)

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