Sunday, March 26, 2006 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Pam (Pviette)

ELIAS: Good morning!

PAM: Good morning, Elias! What a delight it is to hear your voice again! (Elias chuckles) Thank you for sharing your energy with me. Actually, I have something funny to share with you. Mary was sharing with me a truth that she’s become familiar with in the last few months, and we both came to the awareness that it seems like when we get to these places where we think we’re really crazy, we’re close to a breakthrough. (Elias laughs) So, I literally have been crazy! We just decided that crazy is good! (Elias laughs) Crazy is good, would you agree?

ELIAS: Perhaps I would! (Both laugh)

PAM: Oh dear, I don’t know where to start. I want to be able to have your help with identifying beliefs, influences, what I’m generating, because I’ve been driving myself crazy. I know I’m doing it; I just don’t seem to be able to find a handle. But will you confirm for me what I did in the last couple of weeks? I’ve been going through a really traumatic time, traumatic internally for myself, and making myself crazy and feeling crazy.

I scheduled this session with you, and then last week was really different, much more calm, not so overwhelmed. I was going through getting things accomplished, almost to the point of saying well, gosh, maybe I should reschedule, because I really want to be in a place of craziness when I talk to Elias, because I want to get to the bottom of this. (Elias laughs) I almost rescheduled. I was going to call and reschedule yesterday, and then I woke up this morning in almost a panic, a panic attack, and I was freaking out again. As I walked myself through it this morning, I felt like I had literally created it again so I would be here, present, to be able to share it with you. Did I do that?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: I’m seeing the process a little better because of that, because that’s really what it felt like I did.

Help me understand that fear. I wake with it so often. It’s such a primal fear, and I know it has to do with… Well, let me tell you what I’ve been identifying it with lately. It goes back to my childhood. I feel like I had this as a very young, young child and throughout my life. It’s come in a little bit different ways sometimes, but basically this is how I’ve identified it recently: It has to do with creation; it has to do with manifestation; it has to do with all of these conscious creation principles. To the best of my ability, the fear is that this dimension has terrified me in its complexity, and I have not felt up to the ability to be able to negotiate the consciousness here. How close is that to…?

ELIAS: Quite accurate. And what do you view motivates that direction?

PAM: That’s the trick. Well, you know you shared with me in one of my early sessions that part of my intent. The way you defined it, the way you described it was my fitting a square peg into a round hole, and that was part of my intent. I’ve never understood that, and I think I’m beginning to.

I have been opposing what I have seen as my inability. I have been opposing this from the beginning. As a child, I opposed it by not allowing myself creativity, I think. I think I just reined myself in, and I put myself in this little box, and I said, “What does society expect of me? What do my parents expect of me? I’ll do that.”

Now I’ve done the opposite. I’ve allowed myself to blossom. As I’ve moved into overwhelm, my overwhelm is still reining myself in, because I so struggle. The minute I know there’s choice, I struggle with what choice do I want. So, I think when you ask me for what is my motivation for that fear, for setting that up – because I set it up or I chose it; I continue to choose it – there’s some value, I feel, to it. I mean, I love complexity. I love a treasure hunt. We’ve identified those things. But what I have felt lacking the most in this focus is fun and wanting to be here and enjoying it. I’ve had a lower percentage of those things than the other. That’s what I have fought, because I have thought no, if I’m going to be here, I want to enjoy it, and I keep fighting that fear. I want it to go away so I don’t feel like this has just been a loss. And I know I won’t – I mean, there’s a part of me that I know I won’t feel that way. But do you know, do you understand what I’m trying to get to? Help me.

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding. And what is the common denominator?

PAM: I think it has to do with this appreciation, being able to appreciate whatever I create and not call it good or bad or not discount myself because I don’t like what I’m creating.

ELIAS: And what does that require?

PAM: Appreciating myself?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: I don’t know how to do that. I don’t know how to turn that trick; I don’t know how to turn that corner.

ELIAS: What did we discuss previously? What was the subject matter?

PAM: You mean about the shielding and exposure?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: In Mary’s discussion with me today, before we talked, before you came on, we were talking about that. She was helping me. I’ve seen that in a couple of sessions, and I hadn’t really internalized it yet, that idea that exposure is really about appreciating myself, accepting myself and all that I am and all that I create, and being open to myself and my creations.

ELIAS: Yes, precisely. This is the common denominator.

PAM: So, re-say it for me. What is the common denominator?

ELIAS: The common denominator is the non-allowance for that exposure with yourself. You are continuing to do the same underlying action. You are merely expressing in different manners. In your assessment, as a child you did not allow your creativity. The motivation is what? The motivation for not allowing your creativity is the exposure.

PAM: I didn’t trust what I was going to create.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: I wouldn’t let myself, or I thought I wasn’t.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: But I really was creating all the time.

ELIAS: And in your adult years, you move in what you perceive to be the reverse expression, but you continue to express that lack of exposure.

PAM: By exposure, we’re talking about appreciating my ability and my creations?

ELIAS: And acknowledging yourself. Acknowledging every aspect of yourself, and in that, generating a confidence and empowerment of yourself, acknowledging your worth and your contribution.

PAM: My contribution to what?

ELIAS: To existence, your contribution in existing. This is the exposure. Allowing yourself to be aware of the light and the shadows of yourself and acknowledging those as the composition that is you, and that it is not a matter of the right or the wrong choices, the right or the wrong expression, the right or the wrong behavior. It is a matter of allowing yourself to move in direction with your preferences, acknowledging your guidelines and expressing them, and allowing yourself your own freedom.

PAM: I’m feeling that my challenge in identifying my preferences is all balled up with this.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: It’s almost been more difficult knowing that I have choice, and then not knowing… I mean, I feel like that’s what my overwhelm is. I’ve given myself so many options, so many choices. I was going to say I haven’t a strong enough preference in any area, but I haven’t identified…

ELIAS: What your preferences are.

PAM: Or allowed myself to.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: What’s that fear?

ELIAS: That is also associated with exposure. This is a strong truth with you.

PAM: Exposure?

ELIAS: Yes, for that also generates this constant influence of questioning all that you do and all that you think. You are continuously questioning yourself, for you have not allowed yourself to recognize and experience your preferences, for, of course, whatever you prefer must be bad.

PAM: Must be suspect.

ELIAS: Correct, and what generates that? A devaluing of yourself. You are not expressing an acknowledgment of your own value, and in that, all else becomes suspect. You allow yourself to view abilities that you have, and acknowledge and appreciate some abilities that you express in what you create, what you do outwardly. You acknowledge and appreciate some expressions of yourself, such as your capacity to love, but you are hiding you in who you are. That is the exposure element.

PAM: I’m hiding me in who I am?

ELIAS: In not allowing yourself to expose all of yourself to you. You are not what you do.

PAM: Do I think I’m that bad?

ELIAS: It is not a matter of perceiving that you are bad.

PAM: I feel like this has to do with experience in other places, not just here, as well.

ELIAS: Yes, for you draw that energy to you, to enhance the energy that you are experiencing in this focus.

But the point is not necessarily that you perceive that you are so very bad or that you have engaged bad or wrong actions. That is not the point. The fear is the potential that you may discover some element of yourself that you shall judge – not that you identify any, but that there is that looming potential, which creates the fear that there is a possibility that you may discover expressions of yourself or elements of yourself or that you may discover some of your guidelines that may be bad or that you shall judge, just as you are with the exposure.

Are you acknowledging that as one of your truths? No. You are opposing it, and expressing to yourself, “This is bad. I am not exposing; that is bad. I am not allowing; that is bad.”
What are you focusing upon? You are not focusing upon the acknowledgment and the appreciation and the whole of you. You are focusing upon what you are not doing, what you cannot do, what you have not done, what you probably will not do, what you have done inefficiently or ineffectively, what you are not generating, what you do not have. You focus upon how you cannot focus, or you do not incorporate enough time, or it is impossible to hold your attention in the now, or you do not like holding your attention in the now, for it is not stimulating.

It is a matter of what you are paying attention to in the now. If you are paying attention to surface actions that you are generating in the now but not necessarily paying attention to you – which there is a difference – I would agree, that can be quite unstimulating. If you are holding your attention in the now and you are expressing to yourself merely the identification that you are walking across your floor, that does not present much stimulation or excitement. But what else are you doing?

PAM: I did tell Mary about that. I mean, you’ve picked that up, obviously. That was my whole experiment one day where I made myself so frantic that I was pulling myself back into the now, and the only way I knew how to pull myself back into the now was literally doing that. I have a tendency to say, “I’m walking towards the office, because when I get there I’m going to do da-da-da-da-da; oh yeah, and I want to do…” and then I’d say, “No. I’m literally walking across this room. That’s what I’m doing right now” or “I’m driving my car.”

ELIAS: But there are other actions you are doing also.

PAM: That’s what I was aware of, and it was interesting to me that when I pulled myself into the now what I felt was that lack of stimulation.

ELIAS: Correct, for you are not paying attention to you.

PAM: So, help me. You know what’s going on with my business and all the different things that I’ve pulled into my life, all these activities that I do want to do. I know there’s a big part of me that likes it. I just don’t want it to be as difficult as I’ve made it. Help me find my preference in this moment, right now with you. Help me find my preference.

ELIAS: Begin with the mundane. The reason that you are experiencing this overwhelm is that you are attempting to consume a whale all at once. It may be much easier to consume the whale if you cut it into small pieces.

PAM: And you know I’ve been making attempts to do that.

ELIAS: I am aware, but you continue to overwhelm yourself, for you are attempting to view this…

PAM: There’s so many pieces that I’ve cut up that I don’t know where to start, and so I do none of it.

ELIAS: Correct. This is what creates the overwhelm. Therefore, begin with the small pieces.

PAM: Well, that’s…

ELIAS: No, listen. Begin with the mundane. Temporarily, initially, do not address to the projects. That is a part of the big overwhelm, and as you continue to concentrate upon that, you overwhelm yourself, and you demotivate yourself, for it appears so large that you do not know where to begin. Therefore, this is not our beginning. Our beginning in discovering preferences is today.

What shall you consume for lunch? What do you like?

PAM: I have a sandwich that I really like that I was planning to have for lunch.

ELIAS: This is a preference.

PAM: And I want to walk the hills today. It’s really pretty today.

ELIAS: That is a preference.

PAM: We’ll go back to what we’re talking about, but will you confirm about exercise, that it is something that I really do appreciate and gives my body consciousness…? I know there’s an element of “should” in there, but for the most part the bigger element is a true appreciation of the movement of energy and being outside in the sunshine.

ELIAS: Yes, this is a preference. This is how you begin.

PAM: Another preference today is to do some planting in my yard. I have been trying to do this, and my challenge is to not end up feeling frantic about what’s not getting done. I have really been doing a lot of these mundane things because I’ve not been doing…

ELIAS: I am understanding.

PAM: …the little pieces that I’ve cut up.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but the snare in this is that you continue to generate the opposing energy also. You are allowing yourself to engage some of your preferences, and you are allowing yourself to do actions that you like and that you prefer, but simultaneously you are also generating an opposing energy with yourself, for you are opposing your preferences. Even though you are allowing yourself to do them, you are opposing them, for you are expressing that you should not be engaging these preferences.

I have offered an example previously of opposing a preference in association with an individual’s home. The individual may actually incorporate a preference for tidiness within their home, and they may generate the actions to accomplish that and to express that, and their home shall reflect that. But they may also simultaneously be opposing of that preference, expressing to themselves that they do this for they should do it, or they incorporate a tidiness in their home for they have to, not acknowledging that yes, this is my preference.

In this, you also generate that in association with other preferences. You do incorporate some preferences in association with your business, but you also oppose and then you overwhelm, rather than appreciating your allowance of yourself to express yourself in conjunction with your guidelines and acknowledging that and appreciating it.

Rather than at the ending of your day generating the opposing energy of expressing a discounting of yourself in what you did not accomplish, what you did not do, practice at the ending of your day in acknowledging all of the successes that you expressed in that day, each action that you did accomplish. This is significant, for this is the beginning. You cannot move into an appreciation of what you are opposing without beginning to offer yourself an appreciation of what you are doing.

PAM: This is core for me, isn’t it?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: And this is that exposure.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: I kept thinking exposure in relation to other people.

ELIAS: No.

PAM: I wasn’t thinking about this.

ELIAS: It is your exposure of you, and [the] expression of that exposure is the acknowledgment of what you are actually doing, rather than the opposition of what you have not accomplished yet.

PAM: Yesterday when I was planting, planting at my parents’ house, I enjoyed the planting, and yet I know underlying it was these opposing things. I’m upset with the house, that they still have the house. I feel the obligation for keeping it up and that someday it’s going to fall on me, and so that’s what gets carried away from the experience.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: It’s become such a habit for me.

ELIAS: And in that, you are not being present with you.

PAM: I’m not paying attention. That’s when I’m not paying attention.

ELIAS: Yes. You are distracting and projecting, and you are not allowing yourself to be present with you and with your existence. You are projecting to another area, and you are not appreciating your presence in your existence in what you are doing in that moment.

PAM: Is this just this focus?

ELIAS: (Pause) Clarify.

PAM: When you use the word “existence,” it makes me think of my overall being here.

ELIAS: Your existence now, you – you as the individual that you are, your existence now and your presence with yourself.

What were you planting?

PAM: Flowers.

ELIAS: But your appreciation of yourself, your existence, your interaction with earth, with what you view as living elements, your presence and existence in your environment, your interaction and handling of the flowers, your smell of the dirt, of the air – this is existing. This is acknowledging your existence. But rather than acknowledging of the existence and appreciating what you are doing, you mute that. It is not that you eliminate it, but you do mute it, for you override it with concerns.

PAM: Yes. I override it with all that I’m not.

ELIAS: Yes, rather than all that you are.

PAM: That the house is what it is, that I don’t have more control over that, that the yard isn’t more beautiful. Yes, all of it.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: That’s what I take away from it.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: I’ve made this such a habit, Elias.

ELIAS: This is the reason that you begin today. Your exercise is to each day, at the ending of your day, acknowledge all of your accomplishments that you have generated in that day. Acknowledge what you have accomplished, what you have been successful in, and therefore interrupt that familiarity of expressing the opposing and the discounting of what you have not.

In this moment, appreciate your success and your accomplishment that you have engaged a conversation with myself and have allowed yourself to participate, and you did not interrupt it. That is an accomplishment. That is a success. As you consume your sandwich, acknowledge that you allowed yourself a preference, and that is an accomplishment also. And when you are planting this day, experience your planting. No thinking!

PAM: No thinking. (Elias laughs) Oh, wouldn’t that be fun!

ELIAS: Experiencing.

PAM: I want to ask about my connection with my Roman painter focus, because when I became aware of him a few years ago the similarity that we shared was that we were both annoyed that we lived in a society where we had to quote-unquote earn a living and basically pay for ourselves when we wanted the freedom of not having to think about that.

I moved into the place of allowing him to be as he is and appreciating him as he is, rather than wanting to see him change. When I came up with my business idea – this is something that I’ve struggled with for 55 years, what am I going to do with myself – and then, lo and behold, I get my business idea. Initially it was a feeling of oh, my god, something that has been such a weight around my neck is now resolved! Then, of course, we know I’ve moved it into this other area of yes, it’s still a commitment and a desire and that I want to do it, and yet I’ve forded myself in it.

When I connect with my painter now, it’s really interesting to me. He had been really annoyed that he was not able to just paint, and as he saw it, he was forced to earn a living by teaching children of wealthy families and being hired by families, wealthy landowners, to do their landscapes and their portrait paintings and things like that. Recently, in the last few months when I’ve connected with him, he’s amazingly moved into a place of real satisfaction. I don’t know if he’s in a university; I don’t know the culture well enough or I don’t see in well enough to understand it in my terms, but I know he is satisfied. I know he has moved into a place of truly appreciating his skills and abilities. As a result, he’s passing along his information, and it’s being very appreciated, and he feels this appreciation. Obviously, he could not be feeling it if he didn’t feel it for himself.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: Can you confirm for me that shift in him?

ELIAS: Yes, and that is also offering energy to you. That is the point, is generating this appreciation of you – but you cannot generate that if you are not allowing the exposure.

PAM: And allowing the exposure is acknowledging my existence and all that I create?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: Without good or bad, without labeling it.

ELIAS: Not necessarily without good or bad, for duplicity is a belief system also, and it is not eliminated, and you do incorporate your preferences and your opinions. And your preferences to you are good, for you like them.

PAM: So, a part of that acknowledgment of me is permitting me to identify more of my preferences?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: That’s what I really need to focus on. It’s funny; I know so many of them. I’m aware of so many of them, but I guess I taint them with the shoulds and the…

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: Before I let you go, a quick question for a friend of mine, my friend Andrea and her dog, Baxter. There is something going on between the two of them that she’s really been struggling with. What can you share with me that will help her understand?

ELIAS: What is the situation?

PAM: It’s a behavior challenge with him. He’s not the dog she thought she wanted. He won’t tolerate other dogs. She can’t take him on walks, and he’s peeing everywhere in the house just constantly. Initially, she thought it was a medical problem, but she’s pretty convinced that it’s not. She’s been beside herself and really angry and upset.

ELIAS: And the more she continues in this energy, the more that shall occur. It is associated directly with her energy.

PAM: And over her own confusion with her development of her business and all of that?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: And her traveling?

ELIAS: Yes, and her opposing herself and generating that type of energy of agitation and also generating an energy of guilt, at times. Which, as I have expressed to other individuals, the creature engages a different language from you. First of all, they do not incorporate emotion. It is not necessary. They do not incorporate beliefs, and their objective and subjective are so merged, they are always experiencing their subjective awareness. Therefore, it is unnecessary for them to incorporate emotion.

They do incorporate feelings, but it is expressed differently from you. Their language is action, and what motivates their expression is energy. They respond to energy, for this is what they understand. Therefore, if the creature’s energy appears to be, or their behavior appears to be, out of control, it is reflecting and responding to the individual’s energy and what she is projecting.

PAM: She is experiencing and projecting a lot of what I am, isn’t she?

ELIAS: There are many similarities, yes. I may express to you, as I also have previously with other individuals, these creatures, dogs, are especially responsive to human energy.

PAM: More so than cats?

ELIAS: They are different. Felines are responsive to human energy also, but they respond differently in not necessarily always mirroring. They reflect, but they express in a different language, and they interact in a different manner.

PAM: Dogs are almost more of a mirror?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: So, Baxter is reflecting her being pissed?

ELIAS: Yes. I may express that they are more interactive than felines. Therefore, in being more interactive, they are more mirroring and somewhat more responsive to the human energy.

PAM: Porter is like that to me, though, isn’t he? My male cat. I feel like his energy so often reflects what I’m feeling.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: I mean, he was racing around here a little bit ago when you and I first got on the phone.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I am not expressing that they are not interactive or that they are…

PAM: No, what I meant was that Porter is reflecting energy a little bit differently than my other female cat.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: And in some ways, it’s a little bit more direct than it has been with any of my other cats.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: When you were talking about dogs, I was feeling that similarity.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: So, what’s the first thing she could pay attention to that would be the most affecting?

ELIAS: Her energy and expressing a recognition of her energy, paying attention to what she is doing, for what she is doing is being mirrored by the creature. The creature is merely responding to the energy that is being projected.

PAM: You know what’s challenging about that to me, Elias? I’ve experienced that myself, where I want to be more aware of the energy that I’m projecting, and I don’t feel like I’m being very good at it. There are times where I feel I’m not all over the place or scattered or agitated, and yet I’ll come home and that’s when Porter will be flying around the house, and vice versa.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, I am quite understanding. Your feelings are not an indicator of your energy. The manner in which you can more accurately understand and identify what type of energy you are projecting is in what you are doing. You can be feeling neutral, and you can be projecting a very agitated energy. You can be feeling distressed, and you can be projecting a neutral energy. Your feelings are not an indicator of your energy. What you are doing is an indicator of your energy.

Just as you may be feeling comfortable in planting your flowers, and that is a physical doing, but what else are you doing? Projecting and generating a discounting and a distress and projecting an opposing energy. Or in the reverse, you can be confused within yourself and frustrated, but also projecting a neutral energy outwardly. It is associated with what you are actually doing.

PAM: All right. Well, I’ve got my homework.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Yes, indeed you do.

PAM: Check in with me, please.

ELIAS: I so shall.

PAM: I’m going to really need… I’m not going to say that. I know I can do this! Is this the square peg/round hole thing that I like, to make this more challenging than it needs to be?

ELIAS: Yes, and complicating.

PAM: Sometimes I think I want to get every little morsel I possibly can out of what it’s like to create here. (Elias laughs) Well, thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. I shall be offering my energy to you in encouragement and supportiveness and acknowledgment, and I express my own appreciation for you.

PAM: Thank you.

ELIAS: I shall be anticipating our next meeting and…

PAM: Okay, Sir Elias, thank you. Oh, I have a quick question before you go.

ELIAS: Yes?

PAM: Am I at all in transition?

ELIAS: No.

PAM: Is that a factor here at all?

ELIAS: No.

PAM: I have trouble grasping it. I’ve read a little bit about it. I know it has to do with shedding of beliefs. Is only a final focus involved with transition?

ELIAS: No. Any individual can engage transition, and within physical focus it is not an action of shedding beliefs. That is the action that occurs subsequent to death. Within physical focus, it can be an aid, so to speak, in shifting in accepting beliefs, but it is not an action within physical focus that engages shedding of the beliefs yet. That occurs merely subsequent to disengaging.

PAM: When you move into transition, do you stay there?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. Some individuals do. Some individuals engage transition temporarily and disengage it, depending upon their movement. It is not what you would term to be a permanent action. It is a choice, and individuals may generate that action temporarily to facilitate some movement that they are engaging. Some individuals continue to express that action to the point of death, and subsequent to it in a different capacity. Some individuals do not engage it at all until the action is engaged after death.

PAM: I don’t remember whether or not you have any remaining focuses or not.

ELIAS: No.

PAM: You don’t interact with individuals when they are in transition, which is, as I am understanding, a shedding of belief systems to leave this dimension, correct?

ELIAS: Once you disengage this physical reality, this dimension, then you engage the action of shedding the beliefs. That is a different action of transition than it is while you continue within physical focus.

PAM: I thought I’ve read that you’ve said that you don’t interact with individuals when they are in transition.

ELIAS: Subsequent to death.

PAM: You and I are in interaction in other dimensions, correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAM: All right. Can you help me? Can we come up with a trigger that I can use to be aware of you, to help me pay attention to when I’m going into my lack of appreciation mode? It’s such a habit. It’s such an autopilot for me.

ELIAS: I am aware. This is the reason that it is important for you to be paying attention to what you are doing throughout your day and not distracting.

PAM: But you know I have tried this, and I want to do it. I don’t quite understand why I’m making it so difficult for myself. I must be enjoying this more than I’m aware of.

ELIAS: Whenever you notice that you are in the midst of projecting, allow yourself to momentarily stop and visualize a monkey, a very small monkey. That shall be my energy. Each time you notice, regardless of how far you have proceeded into the projection, it matters not, at the moment that you notice that you are not being present, in the moment that you notice that you are entertaining the future or the past and you are not present, stop momentarily and merely visualize this small monkey. Do not manipulate it. I shall manipulate it, and I shall generate a moment of entertainment that shall distract you and move your attention back to the present – which may be more playful than watching yourself walk across your floor.

PAM: I agree. (Elias laughs) Sir Elias, thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

PAM: I love you so dearly, and I look forward to our continued interactions and relationships. I realize I was fearful there was going to be a place where we weren’t going to be in interaction, like when I went into transition or something. I don’t know why I was thinking about that. So, now I know that’s not going to happen.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: I mean, there won’t be that time when we’re not in interaction?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAM: I can always reach out for you?

ELIAS: Yes, you can, and I am always present.

PAM: Thank you.

ELIAS: In great friendship and in dear lovingness to you, au revoir.

PAM: Namaste, Elias.

(Elias departs after 1 hour, 3 minutes)

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