February 2, 2006

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Carmen (Tirza)

ELIAS: Good day!

CARMEN: Hi Elias. I’m going to try to breathe now.

ELIAS: Ah, that would be advisable.

CARMEN: I don’t know why I feel nervous talking to you. I talk to you all the time.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: As you know, I have been continuing in this dimension with very little and usually no desire. I have created some instances of fun and expansion but in many moments now I have little doubt that I do wish to move on. My emotional communications regarding this have been almost unbearable at times. But my fear is that I won’t allow it. One reason for that fear is that I still am focused here despite an often intense desire not to be. However, I’ve thought that one reason that I’m still here is that I have strongly wanted to put my affairs in order before I leave and I haven’t quite finished with that. I’m just wondering, am I correct that wanting to get my affairs in order has been a primary reason I’m still here and that I am still creating movement in allowing for the potential to disengage.

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: Because I really have been giving myself those communications, but then I think how can I blame myself for being here when every time I begin to approach the feeling (of letting myself leave), I think “No, I can’t. I’ve got to clean my apartment or get my financial affairs together.” So I’ve been doing that dual thing. Through Christmas I told myself that I just want to have fun. I just want to do some fun things. I even created Art coming back, which alarmed me, but it was fun. And it’s fine. It’s a challenging relationship but it does serve me in some ways. I think I’m accepting myself a little bit more so there isn’t as much annoyance there. I’m rambling now. Oh. After Christmas it just hit me to move these barriers, even creating a flood in a closet to motivate me. So I have been interpreting those communications correctly?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: Ok. I’ve also kind of consoled myself with what I think is the fact that… because there have been times when I’ve almost consciously tried to will it and that is not allowance that we have talked about, so that leads to a lot of conflict. But one thing I’ve tried to console myself with is that, at least I think this is true, that my wider essence will simply remove me from this dimension when I am no longer generating value fulfillment. Because I believe you have said that we shall not continue if we are not fulfilling our value, that that’s one of the rules we’ve created for this dimension.

ELIAS: You are correct. You shall remove yourself, not some other entity, for the essence is you.

CARMEN: Right. My sense is that I have actually could have in the past, that there have been times in the past ten months since I’ve talked to you last, that I could feel myself moving (toward disengaging) and I’ve had to wrench myself back. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: Ok. See, I’m still giving myself permission. I’m still working on those belief systems that I do align with to a certain extent about death.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And also there is a factor concerning other individuals.

CARMEN: Still. That I am allowing other individuals to dictate through my feelings of responsibility?

ELIAS: It is not that you are allowing other individuals to dictate to you, but that you yourself align with certain beliefs that influence you in association with personal responsibility in not wanting to disappoint or distress other individuals.

CARMEN: That’s interesting. I did want to hear that if I’ve still been doing that. I just think about my mother and all those feelings just flood to me, although interestingly I am creating her as creating similar feelings (of wanting to disengage herself) or at least surfacely that I observe myself (in her).

ELIAS: Yes. I shall express to you that you are expressing this less than you were previously, but as with any belief, it is not being eliminated.

CARMEN: I understand.

ELIAS: Therefore, it is more of a matter of accepting and acknowledging that you do incorporate these beliefs and that allows you to relax.

CARMEN: As long as I don’t allow myself to move into… because even thinking that thought brings up affection (for her), feelings of affection, which are binding, I think.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

CARMEN: That is something that I will be addressing because I was feeling, as you confirmed, that I was moving in the direction of feeling less responsibility. The belief of responsibility has been one that I have strongly aligned with in my focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: That is a challenge. Ok. I don’t want to kill myself. We talked about preferences before and I am recognizing that it would not be an easy thing for me to do as an individual to blow my brains out. So if I can allow it, that is what my preference is.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but I may also express to you that whatever you choose is a method. Therefore, I am understanding of your preference and I am acknowledging of you, but whatever you choose is a method to accomplish a particular movement.

CARMEN: Yes. I have listened to my (last) session several times and was listening to that (part) closely. And, as I said, there have been times that if I had a cyanide pill I would chomp on it. There aren’t any bears around here. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: Thank you very much for that. Which brings us to “The Creatures of Prometheus,” which we created twice, which gave me the idea I didn’t get it right the first time, the translation. As you know, my translation did upset me because I translated it both times as in that moment suggesting to me that I do creative activities or that I make more effort at allowing myself to do creative activities. My emotional signals (that accompanied that translation) were revolt, because I have pushed myself in the past, a long time, to keep thinking of things I should be doing, although part of that has been to alleviate boredom as a way to be kind to myself. But I’m wondering if you could help me clarify what we were communicating to me in those moments. I know we discussed that that piece symbolizes balance, but I tend to interpret the piece as being weighted on the side of activity.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but that is the point of balancing and not generating this pushing of yourself in the intensity that you do.

CARMEN: Ok, so in those moments I was pushing?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: Ok, because I thought I was giving myself a little bit of restfulness and diversion, but in the back of my mind, which constantly… I’m aligning with the belief that I must be doing. I’ve tried to console myself with the fact that I align with Sumari who are the doers, who may incorporate an energy that kind of naturally propels them to do, but I also align very strongly with my society’s belief systems regarding productivity.

ELIAS: I am aware. And in this, in every moment you are doing.

CARMEN: Yes.

ELIAS: (Missed word here) is doing.

CARMEN: Yes, we discussed that.

ELIAS: Therefore, it is not actually a matter of doing but producing.

CARMEN: Ok. I hear you. Yes.

ELIAS: In this, if you allow yourself to alter your perception slightly and recognize that you are constantly doing, but that it is not necessary to constantly be producing. For your worth and your value is expressed whether you are producing or not. Your worth and your value is not measured by what you produce.

CARMEN: Boy, have I been obstinate in that one.

ELIAS: And a continuous pushing to be producing also creates an obstacle in association with the direction that you want to engage. For if you are continuously pushing yourself to be producing, you are actually holding yourself in continuing in this physical reality.

CARMEN: Yes. The moments where I reach no desire, those beliefs just kick in. I try to allow myself restfulness and stopping. My beliefs, the ones I align with, kick in and say you cannot be lazy. Aside from the other things that we just spoke about in terms of barriers. I thought prior to this fall, toward the end of the summer, I was giving myself those emotional communications that it’s time (to disengage). Then I created the opportunity of the choir. That caught my attention. That was an expansion opportunity, so I began that and I did feel like I’m expanding, I haven’t sung with a group since I was young. But toward the end of the semester, it started feeling that I had obtained what I desired from this experience and now, even though I’m enrolled this semester and you know all of the positive things associated with it. I really liked the teacher and so forth. But it’s like “it’s not fun anymore.” So when I do make those efforts to do… I thought I kind of snagged myself with that one, because I thought to myself that if it hadn’t been for this choir, I’d be out of there.

ELIAS: But you continue to generate actions that hold you within this reality.

CARMEN: Yes. What I would term both positive and negative (actions).

ELIAS: Correct.

CARMEN: Ok. That is very helpful.

ELIAS: In this, what is your assessment of what you are creating, of what you are doing?

CARMEN: What I feel like I’m doing is going through the motions. I feel like everything is a task that I’ve got to do. Just to get it done and not because I’m enjoying it. I recognize that I’m doing everything that you’ve said so far. I see myself in that. It’s like mud. As you’ve said, when you’re not following your intent, and I interpret that as meaning when I am exhausting my value fulfillment, you feel like you are walking through mud.

ELIAS: I am understanding for it generates a tremendous thickness in energy. Whatever you engage becomes tedious and difficult.

CARMEN: Yes. And I’m wondering. There are times when I am fearful of the unfamiliarity of the next place I’ll go. But I think what human…well, there may be humans who aren’t a little bit fearful, but that has got to be common. I’ve thought that I more strongly aligned with beliefs and also what you have told me in previous sessions about it not needing to be a fearful or traumatic experience.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, but it is also an unknown and in that, with many, many, many individuals, regardless of how strongly they may incorporate faith or how strongly they may incorporate ideas or philosophies concerning what occurs subsequent to death, it is such an unknown for most individuals that there is an underlying slight question as to whether is any beyond death.

And although you may offer yourself considerable information and align with that quite strongly, as I have expressed, even individuals that incorporate undaunting faith, incorporate an underlying question and doubt for it is an unknown. Even allowing yourself to speak physically, objectively to one that you perceive to be dead is not entirely convincing.

CARMEN: Yes, because I see you as a person.

ELIAS: Correct. And in this, this is the reason that motivates all of you to hold strongly to your physical manifestation until the point which you, in a manner of speaking, resign. With that resignation, you relax. In that relaxation, you can allow yourself to move and the fear dissipates.

CARMEN: I had a feeling that something like that may be influencing, even though I’ve been telling myself that I believe this and I believe that.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but it is an unknown. Therefore, that creates an underlying fear. That is not to say that this fear cannot be overridden. It can. But to override the fear requires the resignation.

CARMEN: Yes. There have been moments when, as I’ve said before, I’ve felt I’ve come close (to allowing myself to disengage).

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: But then I think I’ve got to clean my apartment.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: Aren’t we funny?! (Laughs) My mother said the same thing. “I can’t die (yet). I have to clean my house.” That is very helpful. I never want to cut you off if I am requesting additional information, so is there anything else on that?

ELIAS: The most important factors to allow yourself to address to are the expressions of forcing yourself in productivity and the factor of resignation. These are at odds with each other. Therefore, if you are continuously forcing yourself to be productive, you cannot allow yourself the resignation, for the resignation is the discontinuation of the productivity.

CARMEN: Yes. That is very helpful. Kind of an obstinate little cuss aren’t I?

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: Well, I do have tenacity.

ELIAS: One of those individuals that the cliché of “leaving kicking and screaming” was created for. Haha!

CARMEN: (Laughs) Yes! Except the kicking and screaming would be that I feel that I SHOULD do more (in this dimension) rather than I WANT to do more.

ELIAS: Correct. Haha!

CARMEN: Because I imagine myself moving into that area and I can’t imagine having regrets once I’m there, but who knows I may generate some of that, but I haven’t aligned strongly with the belief of “Oh, boy, when you get there you think about all the things you should have done.” I don’t…

ELIAS: Ahhh… incorrect. This is quite incorrect and I may express to you that it is incorrect in incorporating regret also. For disengaging from this reality alters your associations. You may temporarily continue to generate an objective awareness and therefore also generate perception, but as you are no longer actually participating in the physical reality, you are also not bound to its blueprint, which alters the perception.

Now, as I have expressed, you may continue to generate imagery. Many, many, many individuals do. There is a temporary time framework in which the individual does not recall their death and continues to be creating physical imagery, which may physically appear quite similar to what they were participating with within this physical reality.

But remember, you are no longer participating with all of those energies. Now you are merely interacting with your own energy in whatever imagery you are creating. In this also, dependent on the individual, some individuals may continue to be generating an objective awareness and may project almost immediately to some other reality.

CARMEN: Hmmm.

ELIAS: Dependent on the individual and what their tendencies are, their fascinations in energy. But even that action is a temporary action. That may be generated, borne out of an intense, strong curiosity. Therefore, the individual may project themselves almost immediately into some other reality as a curious exploration.

But, as I have stated, that is also temporary, for eventually the individual does engage the action of transition in which the objective awareness is disengaged and all of the beliefs are shed. At that point, that attention can choose to be engaging some other reality fully or may choose to be moving in other areas of consciousness and engaging different actions. But generally speaking, most individuals subsequent to the choice of death temporarily do not incorporate a memory of that. That is generated in increments.

CARMEN: Ok. Am I dead?

ELIAS: No.

CARMEN: That thought has occurred to me because I hold so strongly to some beliefs and I do know there are individuals that just kind of walk through the veil and keep on doing what they were doing ten minutes before. But I thought that I would have given myself an indication plus I wouldn’t, well, maybe I would…I hesitate to ever talk in absolutes.

ELIAS: You would offer yourself indicators for you would not generate surprise. Whatever you are generating, you are creating and there is no other individual energy involved.

CARMEN: That’s a question I have. You mentioned in that pre-transitional area of Regional Area 3 (Note to transcriber: I said Area 2 during the session, but meant to say Area 3) that I could speak with you, so if that’s me…

ELIAS: You would speak with me, but not in this manner.

CARMEN: But would your energy be involved?

ELIAS: Yes, but I am not participating in physical reality.

CARMEN: Ok. Yes, I see the distinction. I see the distinction.

ELIAS: You would be creating imagery that appears the same as the physical reality that you are participating in now, but in this physical reality that you are participating in, there are many, many, many other energies that you are participating with.

CARMEN: Yes. I see the distinction.

ELIAS: Therefore, there is the element of surprise and also your interaction with myself in an objective physical conversation is created through another individual to incorporate vocal tones, words, emotional expression. These are being facilitated through a physical manifestation of an individual that you are participating with also in energy.

In that state, so to speak, subsequent to death, you are no longer participating with any of the individuals that participate within physical reality. Therefore, your imagery of any individuals or any structures is a projection of your energy alone. In interacting with myself in that state, you would not engage your equipment. You would not engage Michael. You would create a manifestation of myself.

CARMEN: And that would be my energy. I mean…

ELIAS: It would be my energy that you would configure into a form, which would also be an indicator to you. But another indicator is that one action that commonly occurs in that state is that you can generate an idea and it shall alter your imagery immediately.

CARMEN: That’s what I was afraid of before, if I am extremely agitated when I disengage. Even here, I’ve been taking moments to try to understand that I am creating all of my physical…well, with the participation…I’m interacting with other people’s energy but the imagery that I create even here is my projection. So I’ve sort of eased myself a little bit with feeling that well, if I understand that it’s ALL me, I won’t throw myself into too much chaos or it would be temporary chaos.

ELIAS: Generally speaking, individuals do not actually generate chaos subsequent to death. Generally speaking, whatever was a tremendous challenge or difficulty or struggle within physical focus becomes what you would term to be a non-issue.

CARMEN: Really! Ok. Well, I’ve thought that I’ve been such an emotional person in this focus I thought oh, boy, if anyone would throw themselves into chaos, which I have done here… but that’s really reassuring.

ELIAS: Just as with individuals create some type of dis-ease that might be quite debilitating or generating tremendous painfulness and disengage. Subsequent to the death, the individual may be creating physical imagery, but the dis-ease is no longer, for the individual is no longer actually incorporating a physical body. Therefore, there is no actual physical manifestation to be incorporating dis-ease.

CARMEN: My image has been that these people continue to create pain and suffering.

ELIAS: No.

CARMEN: Oh, my gosh. Ok.

ELIAS: This is not to say that if you incorporate a strong issue within physical focus that some element of that shall not also be expressed subsequent to death. It shall be expressed in somewhat of a different manner. But it shall be expressed to the point that you allow yourself to relax and accept. But as I have stated, it is expressed in a different manner not in a manner of painfulness, but it may also influence the time framework in which you continue to generate the objective awareness.

CARMEN: Well, I’ll just be trying to remember accept.

ELIAS: Or, rather, relax.

CARMEN: Yes, although I do have moments of relaxation before I jerk myself out of it.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: And I went all those years being one very, very tense, VERY tense individual, so in the last few years I’ve had many more moments, well, some more moments of relaxation. The images that I sometimes see before I fall asleep. Are some of those my other focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: Are they all me?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: Ok! That’s interesting. That’s interesting. I’m wondering about my maternal grandmother’s energy deposit. Is it still around here?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: It is. Ok, because I had a dream a few years ago where I created her in the dream saying that she wished to move on and I interpreted that (as meaning) that she was now ready to go into transition or whatever…

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, but that does not necessarily remove an energy deposit.

CARMEN: Ok. That deposit, I understand it is not that person’s primary focus of attention, but I think I’ve read where you’ve said it is energy, it’s alive, it’s interacting.

ELIAS: Correct.

CARMEN: Ok. Because I had a tendency after reading about energy deposits to dismiss them and say ok, only if I had a need to reassure myself that life goes on would I create imagery of her. See, I’m still confused about it, but I’m not going to worry about it. I’ll just accept her energy…

ELIAS: It is an offering of comfort.

CARMEN: Yes. And I do give myself symbols of her from time to time. The defective DVDs of my sessions that I’ve created. Am I correct that I’ve done that because when I watch the DVDs my attention goes to Mary and her surroundings and what she’s experiencing and that I created the problems with the DVDs to bring my attention to how strongly put my attention on other people…

ELIAS: Partially. Also you generate your own image of myself and the image of Michael distracts from your image.

CARMEN: It does.

ELIAS: In not generating the visual, you allow yourself to focus your attention more and you allow yourself more of an openness to actual interaction with myself. In the incorporation of a visual, but not physically present, that generates somewhat of a distraction.

CARMEN: Yes. I’ve even thought about attending group sessions and besides myself, my intent and everything not really going along with that kind of situation, I know I would just be staring at Mary and trying to think about what is she experiencing and that I would feel less connected with you.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. For within physical proximity, there is an alteration. For within physical proximity, most individuals allow themselves more of an openness and actually experience my energy stronger. Therefore, the visual does not become a distraction. But within a recording, you are incorporating a two-dimensional image, which generates many times an obstacle for individuals to genuinely allow themselves to experience the energy.

CARMEN: Ok. The public sessions for other reasons having to do with me individually, I’m just not drawn to it, although I would have liked to have met Lawrence and Bobbi because I feel connections with them. That’s helpful. The intense energy movement in my indigo area that I experience at times, is this an indication that that center is intensely working to balance my emotions, my yellow energy center.

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: And is it also signaling me to de-clutter my thoughts and stop analyzing and pushing.

ELIAS: Yes, and to relax.

CARMEN: Ok. That’s helpful, because I feel that very strongly in that area.

ELIAS: And if you are so choosing, you may also incorporate the pink energy center with both of those energy centers.

CARMEN: Do I have a pink energy center?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: So we’ve all created it or just…

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: Ok. I was wondering about that, because when I close my eyes and see my energy centers, which ones are dominant at the time, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that I’ve never seen pink.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: What’s that telling me, huh? (Laughs) I’ve wondered about some occasional instances of Oscar Wilde imagery. I’m only familiar with the broad outline of his focus, so I’m wondering what I’m communicating with myself and I assume there is some participation of you involved. I’m thinking one may be that, as I understand it, he created significant distress prior to his own disengagement and I’m thinking that I may be bringing that as an example to me to remind me that this is not necessary.

ELIAS: Quite correct.

CARMEN: That is?

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: I try not to think about that (Oscar’s distress) too much because I don’t want to be projecting energy to be reinforcing of that so I try not to think about him in those circumstances very much. But I do have to ask you about the wallpaper quote. Did he say “Either this wallpaper goes or I do?”

ELIAS: Yes.

CARMEN: He did?! Ok.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: I love it! Because it also gives me a sense that he saw it (death) for what it was. There was an element of lightness and a humorous sarcasm element to it, which makes me feel better.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: I just laughed when I saw that. Ok. This is the time that I usually ask if there’s anything else that I’m requesting in consciousness that I have not objectively requested in the way of information?

ELIAS: Not in this time framework.

CARMEN: Ok. I’ll take that as an idea that I may be offering myself information about issues. One thing I’ve noticed today is that your energy is different. I know that each time we speak with you that chances are very good that we are speaking to a different aspect of your essence. I’m wondering if this is a quality of my own energy that I am projecting. You seem more subdued.

ELIAS: There are two factors. One is associated with your energy and what you wanted to present to yourself. And one is my projection of energy to you as an example of the calm, the quiet resignation.

CARMEN: Ok. That is very helpful. I’m glad I chose you.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: Honestly...well, sometimes I do fawn over people, but I have felt a genuine appreciation for your participation with me.

ELIAS: And I also for you.

CARMEN: Thank you.

ELIAS: Haha!

CARMEN: I think our time is up for this session.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall continue to be expressing my energy with you in perhaps an expression of calm.

CARMEN: I have felt that at times. I appreciate that.

ELIAS: In this, my appreciation of you and our friendship continues. I express encouragement in whatever direction you choose, my friend.

CARMEN: Thank you.

ELIAS: In great lovingness this day, au revoir.

CARMEN: Au revoir.

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