Friday, August 26, 2005 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Deb (Oana)

(Elias’ arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

DEB: Elias?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Are you as ever?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes!

DEB: I want to express joy to you at our meeting today. I have so been looking forward to it. I know you’ve mentioned before that you don’t really express joy at these interactions, but I’m sending a tremendous amount of joy and excitement to you.

ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well, and it is received!

DEB: I have a list of questions. Shall I begin?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: First off, I would like to know my essence family, my essence name and my orientation. Should I give you my impressions?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: My impression is, my family I think is Tumold, aligning with Milumet.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: Can you tell me, what is my husband?

ELIAS: And your impression?

DEB: You know, I’m not sure. I’m thinking maybe Zuli.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: And aligning with Milumet?

ELIAS: No.

DEB: How about Sumafi?

ELIAS: Belonging to Sumafi, alignment Zuli.

DEB: I had those turned around then. And my essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name Oana, O-A-N-A (oh AHN nah).

DEB: Can you give me my husband’s essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name Xotis, X-O-T-I-S (ZOE tiss).

DEB: Very good. And our orientations? I’m feeling that I’m probably common.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: And my husband also?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: And my intent in this focus? Again, my impression is self-acceptance issues.

ELIAS: That would be associated with shifting. I may express to you as I have with other individuals, the manner in which you discover your intent is to be examining your experiences throughout the entirety of your focus. In that, you shall discover the theme of your experiences, and that shall offer you the identification of your intent.

DEB: Have I shared a focus with you in the past?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I wondered, because when I listen to you or have Mary’s little clip on the Internet, it just tickles me, particularly when you laugh. It just tickles me to the bone, and for some reason it’s very comforting and very joyful for me to hear that. So I was wondering if I had shared a focus with you.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: May I ask you about some other focuses that I think I have?

ELIAS: You may.

DEB: Do I have a Native American focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: And do I have a focus, a female, in the Civil War South?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Do I have a focus — don’t laugh at this — as a prostitute?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: (Laughs) I was quite sure. I have been very much aligned with these three things for a long time, have been very much interested in those things, so I was feeling that possibly that’s where that was coming from.

I want to ask you, about three months ago, I had an episode of very tremendous back pain that I could not relate to anything other than that is about the time that I started to read your transcripts and to incorporate some of your teachings. Did this have to do with the shifting of belief systems?

ELIAS: Partially, and also partially associated with a strong signal to yourself concerning paying attention to yourself, and in that, being supportive and gentle with yourself.

DEB: I’m not always doing that. (Both laugh) I would like to get some insight from you about the asthma and allergy thing, as so many people tend to ask you about that. I want to give you again my impressions as to why I manifest this, and your validation.

ELIAS: Very well.

DEB: My first impression is that I believe, or have believed in the past, that it was a genetic thing, because my father also had it as a young man. I believe, too, that some of it is a learned behavior. It’s almost like an automatic trigger to me. I know when I pick up my dog and kiss her on the head, five minutes later, if I don’t think about it, I’m going to be sneezing. I see that kind of as an automatic trigger if I don’t pay attention to myself.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Also, lastly, I think it have something to do with being raised in a family who had a very low opinion of animals per se; not that they hated them or anything, but certainly we didn’t have animals in the house and we certainly didn’t sleep with them, which our little dog does sleep with us. Can you validate those things? Is that where I’m coming from here?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DEB: It’s getting better. I notice that there is an ebb and flow type of thing, as you’ve mentioned before, and I feel like that as I’m aware of these belief systems and coming to address them, that those symptoms are getting better. Do you see me making progress in those ways?

ELIAS: Yes, and I am acknowledging of you. I may also express to you that these symptoms are manifest in association with not paying attention to yourself, but also at times they are automatic responses to offer you permission to not engage certain actions. It is at times an automatic response that you engage, almost as a viable excuse to not engage what you do not want to engage.

DEB: Can you give me some pointers as to what I may not be wanting to engage? I thought along those angles, and I’m not really coming up with anything.

ELIAS: Pay attention, in moments in association with the breathing, in relation to what you are generating in your environment in that time framework and what you are expressing of yourself in expectations. For at times, you engage this automatic response in relation to what you perceive to be expectations of yourself or what you perceive as expectations that other individuals are expressing of you that generates somewhat of an uncomfortableness. The manner in which you respond to that is restricting yourself, which you restrict in your breathing.

DEB: I’ll have to do some more thinking along those lines, then. But I certainly will continue to investigate that.

I had also wondered, too, back to what I was telling Mary earlier, that I am a nurse practitioner, and I have spent 30 to 40 years listening to the medical side of things. I wanted to verify with you — and I know what you’re going to tell me — regarding medications, that in and of themselves they have absolutely no physical effects. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I know this because I’ve been with the medical community enough to see them vacillate back and forth between one day they’re good and one day they’re bad. I know that they don’t have a bottom line that they never deviate from.

That really has been one of the hardest things for me to deal with as a medical person, in that I’m telling these people that if they take this pill every day they’re not going to get pregnant, or if they take this pill it will cure their bladder infection, or whatever they’re there to see me about. I got quite disgruntled with my profession for a little while after I started listening to you, because I thought I’m just out there pandering hogwash to these people! (Elias laughs) It was making me feel kind of bad!

Then I came to the realization that I have to work with their belief systems, and that within the 30 minutes that I might spend with someone, I can’t change their belief systems. So it’s okay for me to deal with them according to their belief systems, to have happen what they want to happen.

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: Then I’m happy about that. The same thing applies with vaccinations for children. Is the reason those youngsters don’t get sick because they’ve had this experience at the clinic that makes them believe that now they will not get sick?

ELIAS: Yes. Although there are some that choose not to follow that mass belief, and the immunizations are pointless with those children — but they also do not create the disease.

DEB: And it’s all due to their own belief systems, whether or not they do.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: One of the things, too, I wanted to ask you about in relation to my asthma is you mentioned before that smoking in and of itself is not bad for you, and I’m wondering, because of being a smoker in the past, if I have damaged myself so that now I manifest asthma because I believe that I am damaged.

ELIAS: That is a factor, although I may express to you that your configuration of damage, so to speak, that you had created previously has, in your terms, repaired itself. As I have expressed, the breathing incorporates many different factors, but for the most part, it is associated with expectations.

DEB: Of myself, and other people’s expectations of me?

ELIAS: Correct.

DEB: I have a little dog, and she is about six years old. Currently she has developed what the veterinarian tells me is a grade-5 heart murmur, or a very severely damaged valve in her heart. I’m wondering, can you tell me why she is manifesting this?

ELIAS: And what is your impression?

DEB: I have to think that it may have something to do with my asthma. Other than that, I’m just not really sure. But when I catch myself feeling short of breath and coughing, it makes me wonder if that’s not what she is mirroring back to me.

ELIAS: There is an element of a reflection, which is, in actuality, an expression of what you would term to be compassion. Not the association of compassion in the sense of an emotion, but in the expression of understanding and generating a reflection to you of that understanding and cooperation with you, and also generating, in a manner of speaking, more of a closeness with you.

DEB: As my asthma improves, which I believe it will, will I see an improvement in her?

ELIAS: That is a strong potential.

DEB: We were just absolutely devastated. When we took her to the vet, I mean she’s just six years old, and they’re saying she might live for six months, she might live two years. We were just totally blown away. I’m hoping that as my belief system shifts that she will pick up on that. Is that a good way to say it?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: That she may also come out of this mirroring or reflection that she’s putting back towards me.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Being that animals do not have belief systems, the medication that we are giving her, is this having totally no effect on her, one way or the other?

ELIAS: No.

DEB: “No,” it is not?

ELIAS: No, what I am expressing to you is that it is not a situation that it is not affecting, for it matters not that the creature does not incorporate beliefs — you do, and the creature is in cooperation with you. Therefore, the creature shall respond to your expressions and your beliefs.

DEB: And if I believe that the medication may help her, she responds in like manner.

ELIAS: And cooperates, yes.

DEB: From time to time over the past three months or so, I have gotten what I thought were tremendous insights that ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬all of a sudden pop into my head. About three months ago, when I was quite upset about vacillating between belief systems and Christianity or Native American or whatever, all of a sudden one day a little voice in my head said, “Why don’t you just go get your Seth books out?” I’ve had things happen like I’m thinking about asking you about cause and effect and that whenever you’re dealing with cause and effect, certainly you’re dealing with a belief system. Then a little voice came into my head and said, “Well, cause and effect is a belief system.” When I hear these little voices or get these spontaneous light bulbs come on, is that you?

ELIAS: That is you!

DEB: That is me?! That is MY essence speaking, then.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Excellent! Not that I can hear them, really hear them, but it very much goes through my head, and I think well, where did that come from?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: So that is my essence, Oana?

ELIAS: It is you speaking to you. It is you listening to your impressions and your intuition, which is your communication to yourself as essence, and offering yourself information.

DEB: Happily, I’ve had enough sense to listen.

ELIAS: Aha!

DEB: I’m very good at being on the hamster wheel and juggling my dead mice all at the same time. (Elias laughs) I’m very good at non-acceptance of self, which is why, I think, that has been my focus at the present time, to change that, to come into the realization that I’m really not such a bad gal.

ELIAS: And this is to be acknowledged, my friend. You are definitely worthy and valuable.

DEB: Thank you, I’m so glad to hear that. I’m very much an auditory learner, and so if I can hear Elias say, “No, medications don’t have an effect; no, tobacco doesn’t have an effect,” or that kind of thing, it tends to go into my head better than reading it. I think that’s because of all the years of attending medical lectures, listening all day to all this wisdom being expounded. I’m very good at learning and incorporating through listening, so I thank you for that.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You are quite welcome. I may express to you, perhaps you may choose to listen to my suggestion that you acknowledge some element of appreciation with yourself each day. That shall be quite instrumental in altering your energy.

DEB: About a week ago when I was meditating, I had a tremendously beautiful blue light show. Would that have been you?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Excellent! I wondered, because it was more beautiful than I think I would have come up with on my own. (Both laugh) I went, “If that’s just me, I don’t think so. I think this is something better than I would have come up with.”

ELIAS: Ah, do not be discounting of yourself!

DEB: I know, I do it all the time! Like I say, I have to catch myself doing it, because I’m good at that. But that was very beautiful. (Elias chuckles) Shall I tell you very quickly how my impression of your physical manifestation would be?

ELIAS: Very well.

DEB: Are you familiar with the movie “Dracula” by Bram Stoker and an actor by the name of Gary Oldman?

ELIAS: I can access your awareness of it.

DEB: My impression of you, then, is as Gary Oldman, when he was in London dressed in an immaculate suit, top hat, long ringlets, flowing hair, and very intense blue-shaded glasses. (Elias chuckles) Does that please you?

ELIAS: Yes!

DEB: Yes, it pleases me, too. (Both laugh) If it wasn’t that, then maybe like Gandalf in “The Lord of the Rings.”

ELIAS: I may express to you, I have incorporated many, many, many focuses in your physical reality. In that, individuals access different focuses of myself, and that provides them with particular images of myself. They draw to themselves the particular manifestations or appearances that they resonate with the most, and this is...

DEB: I find him highly physically attractive in that movie, so I would think that that is exactly how you would look.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Are my husband and I what you would term as soul mates?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I wondered, because quite often we’re almost telepathic with each other. He will be thinking something and I’ll be saying it, or vice versa.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

DEB: I have a very dear friend, and we participate together in historical reenactments, particularly in keeping with the Civil War time period and the customs of mourning that were common in that time period. Are you understanding what I’m saying?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I think this has to do with my Civil War focus as to why I’m terribly drawn to that. I have recently purchased, for the purpose of education about these customs, a small box that contains a piece of hair. I’m not sure as to when this person passed, but this was used at the time as a memorial or a way that they would express their love for whoever had passed. I have heard you speak before about cellular consciousness that remains in the body even after the spirit of the body has left, and I’m wondering if you can pick up any energy from this piece of hair to tell me anything about this person?

ELIAS: I may offer you clues, and I may express to you an encouragement for you to investigate in your impressions also in conjunction with these clues. (Pause) This individual was female.

DEB: Yes, I got that impression. I should tell you it is in a small box with red ribbons on it, and there’s a picture of a girl on the box. (Pause)

ELIAS: This individual also incorporates some similarities to you. This individual also incorporated restrictions with breathing.

DEB: Was that the reason for her passing?

ELIAS: No, but it was what you would term to be a concern throughout her focus.

DEB: Can you tell me what actually caused her to disengage? (Pause)

ELIAS: The disengagement was associated with what you identify as consumption.

DEB: Can you tell me her age at the time that she disengaged? (Pause)

ELIAS: Middle 20s.

DEB: And can you pick up a name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Leslie.

DEB: And what approximate year did she die?

ELIAS: What is your impression?

DEB: I’m thinking possibly late 1800s or early 1900s.

ELIAS: Somewhat earlier.

DEB: Like 1850s?

ELIAS: More approximately, yes.

DEB: I was very much drawn to this piece for some reason, and like I say, I do like to use them for educational purposes. Most people nowadays are not even aware of mourning customs and those types of things, and they are usually quite interested in them, as I am myself. In your last focus as Oscar Wilde, you would have been very much appreciative of these customs, would you not?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: The queen, I believe, in that time period was kind of an instigator of these type of customs.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: Well, Elias, I think I have come to the end of my lengthy questions. (Elias laughs) May I ask you a personal question?

ELIAS: You may.

DEB: What were you doing in Paris in 1821 that caused you to get shot?

ELIAS: Being somewhat subversive. (Both laugh)

DEB: Were you acting in the role of a spy?

ELIAS: Partially.

DEB: So it wasn’t anything just like a good old Irish barroom fight?

ELIAS: No. It was quite intentional and purposeful. The other individual believed it was quite purposeful! (Laughs)

DEB: I think we’re at the end of our time here, and I am so much thanking you for the insights that you are giving me here today. We will continue to work along those lines, and I hope to be talking to you again sometime in the future.

ELIAS: Very well, I shall be anticipating of that.

DEB: Yes, and I’m asking you to also send me your energies.

ELIAS: And so I shall, and I shall be encouraging and supportive with you also. Remember appreciation!

DEB: I will do that. Anytime you want to provide me with that beautifully spectacular blue light show, I will be noticing.

ELIAS: And perhaps you may also be noticing if you are encountering butterflies.

DEB: I have seen a lot of them lately. I have also been seeing a lot of hummingbirds.

ELIAS: I am quite playful with butterflies.

DEB: Are the hummingbirds a manifestation of Rose?

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: I wondered, because we put up a feeder and then didn’t see any for a long time, and I was kind of giving up that we ever would. A few days before my first scheduled interview with you, we saw hummingbirds. (Elias laughs) We were quite shocked, and I mentioned to my husband that you had said that quite often Rose will manifest through the appearance of birds.

ELIAS: Yes.

DEB: So whenever I see hummingbirds now, I always give an appreciation to that and I do try to notice them. (Elias laughs) It is so very helpful for me, who is very good at non-accepting of self, to see those validations; it’s very helpful.

ELIAS: Very well!

DEB: I appreciate very much. (Elias laughs) Thank you so much...

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

DEB: ...for all your information, and I will be thinking of you and looking forward to our next interaction.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend, to you in great affection and great encouragement, au revoir.

DEB: Au revoir.

Elias departs after 34 minutes.

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