Friday, February 11, 2005 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Cathy (Felicia)

(Elias’ arrival time is 15 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

CATHY: Good morning! It’s almost afternoon — good day! (Elias chuckles) So, how are you doing? You’re as always, right? Got that! (Elias laughs) I guess we’ll just dive on in, okay?

ELIAS: Very well!

CATHY: Let’s start with another brief laundry list. This time I’m going to be looking for information on my sisters and their kids. I would like to start with my sister, Wendy, just getting her stats and her essence name and things like that.

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Eliza.

CATHY: E-L-I-Z-A?

ELIAS: Yes. And your impression?

CATHY: The belonging, I’ve got three things written down. I’ve got Sumari or Ilda and then really tiny, maybe Borledim, but I think more the Sumari.

ELIAS: Belonging, yes.

CATHY: Okay, and then I’ve got Zuli for her alignment, but...

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: And common and emotional.

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: When we were kids, she always had this joy of living, this feeling of freshness to her, so I’m wondering if she is an initiating focus.

ELIAS: Continuing.

CATHY: So that freshness, is that more related to the Sumari-ness?

ELIAS: Partially, but also that may be expressed quite commonly with continuing focuses.

CATHY: Her husband, Roger, I’ve got down as Zuli belonging. Would that be accurate?

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: What is his essence name?

ELIAS: Ewa, E-W-A (OOO wyah).

CATHY: Would his alignment be Sumafi or Vold?

ELIAS: Vold.

CATHY: I have a question mark for his orientation. I have intermediate, but I’m not real sure.

ELIAS: Common.

CATHY: And focus type I put thought.

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: I have no impression on whether he’s initiating, continuing or final.

ELIAS: Continuing.

CATHY: Now my niece Alexis — I call her Lexi — she, I think, is also aligned with Vold.

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: I’m getting pretty good, I think, at picking up Voldness in people. I think she’s also soft and emotional.

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: But I’m not sure about her belonging family. I think possibly Zuli also.

ELIAS: Borledim.

CATHY: Do you have an essence name for her? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Lilianna, L-I-L-I-A-N-N-A.

CATHY: Very pretty, she’ll like that one. Is she a final focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: I thought she was. My niece Shelby, what would her essence name be?

ELIAS: Essence name, Lantron, L-A-N-T-R-O-N.

CATHY: That’s really interesting. Is she Tumold belonging, and I was guessing Milumet alignment?

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: Common orientation?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: And thought focus?

ELIAS: Political.

CATHY: Political, ooh! She’s like her Auntie Cathy! (Elias laughs) Okay, and continuing focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: Now my sister Moira, I was looking for her essence name.

ELIAS: Essence name, Carmella, C-A-R-M-E-L-L-A.

CATHY: I have her down as Sumafi belonging, and I was wondering about a Borledim alignment.

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: Boy, she’s had some dramatic stuff related to her children. Soft orientation and emotional focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: I don’t have an impression if she is initiating, continuing or final focus.

ELIAS: Continuing.

CATHY: Maybe that’s the clue. If I don’t have an impression, they’re continuing. (Elias laughs) She’s got two sons. I’m not going to ask for her husband, because I don’t think he would care to know. But she’s got two sons, George and Joshua. George I’ve only met briefly twice and Joshua I’ve only met in a dream, I think, so I don’t really have any impressions for either one of them on any of their stats. I was wondering if you could just offer their stats and their essence names, of course.

ELIAS: Very well. First individual?

CATHY: George. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Alissandro, A-L-I-S-S-A-N-D-R-O. Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Ilda; orientation, common; focus type, political.

CATHY: Is he initiating, continuing or final?

ELIAS: Continuing.

CATHY: And Joshua?

ELIAS: Essence name, Beatra, B-E-A-T-R-A (bee AT tra). Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Vold; orientation, common; focus type, emotional; continuing.

CATHY: Real quick, before I do the rest of my stuff, I want to ask this for my son Patrick. His essence name is Derricka. You gave him that in Kentucky. He and my nieces, Lexi and Shelby, the ones that I just asked you about, were playing around with energy deposits one night when the girls were here, and they felt like they connected to several different energy deposits, I guess in our living room or in his room, I’m not sure which. He was wondering if you could validate whether they had a connection and whether they were legitimately getting impressions on those energy deposits.

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: He was wondering how many you would say they had reached into. He says he thinks it was about five.

ELIAS: Six.

CATHY: He’s been trying to get impressions of their names, of their most recent names, I guess, in their focuses, and he came up with some names but he’s not sure whether they’re valid. He came up with possible names of Tom, Timothy, Diane, Linda, Damien and John, and he wonders if any of those are valid.

ELIAS: All of them.

CATHY: Wow. I’m impressed with him! (Elias laughs) He also got an impression of a hospital name when he was wondering where they died, Christ Hospital. He’d never heard of a Christ Hospital, but he looked on the Internet and he saw that there was a Christ Hospital in Cincinnati. He’s wondering if that’s a valid impression for where one of them may have died.

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: Was it Linda that died there?

ELIAS: No.

CATHY: That was a question mark for him. So, which one?

ELIAS: And shall he not continue his investigation?

CATHY: Let me write that down for him!

ELIAS: (Laughs) He has been generating considerable success thus far.

CATHY: I will make a note here: And shall he not be continuing... (Laughs) He’s going to be very interested in this, and I will let him know that you’ve acknowledged his success. (Elias chuckles) Okay, that’s Patrick.

I’ve got all kinds of sheets of paper here, different directions I can go with this session. I’m not sure which direction I really want to go! (Elias laughs) This one sticks out to me right now. I’ve had a lot of dreams and subjective types of activity pretty much since 1995 on, and we talked about the Light Guy last time. Sometime, I think, between 1996 and 1998, I had this dream about a wild woman. That’s just what I call her. She punctured a tomato with her thumb in my dream, and at the time I interpreted that as being a projection of myself. But sometime within the last year on one of the message boards, people were talking about Ayla — is it Ayla or Ilya? How do you say her name?

ELIAS: Ayla (EY lah).

CATHY: What they were describing sounded really similar to that wild woman in my dream, so which interpretation fits there? Was that really me projecting myself in a dream communicating something to myself about a submerged part of me that I wasn’t paying attention to? Or was that just Ayla saying hi?

ELIAS: There are actually three notable layers of this imagery. One is associated with Ayla, one is associated with your impression of an aspect of yourself in this focus, and one is an identification of another focus of you.

CATHY: Oh, that’s interesting! So let me ask you this. Is that other focus of me tied in any way to this vision I have of myself and my daughter Katie as an adult, that I hold onto? With Katie’s struggles, the word “autism” has come up and things like that. But I’ve always had this desire, this vision to hold onto where she is standing before me as a confident and happy young woman and I’m 40 or 50 years old, and she’s just looking so happy. I embrace her and she holds me so tightly. There’s just this incredible love in this vision, and for some reason, when you were talking about it being an identification of another focus, that vision just popped into my head again. Is there a connection?

ELIAS: Yes. In that focus, she is also your daughter.

CATHY: Is there a way to bring that vision into this reality?

ELIAS: That focus is contributing energy to you in this focus. You are drawing that energy to you in a reinforcement of your energy and your desire in this focus. Therefore, you are already doing that, in a manner of speaking.

CATHY: Great. I can’t wait for that hug to be real. That is going to feel so good!

Let me flip back here to these other pages. Another thing that came up on our message board was talk of the Alterversity. In one of our Darlings sessions we discussed that, and I submitted a question for you about whether there was a class in the Alterversity about the links of consciousness, manipulating them and things like that. Of course, we made this question very general because it was a group session and everything. Well, I had this dream where I had mastered dispersing and rebuilding of my own body in thin air, basically. I said in the dream that consciousness units can be dispersed and gathered at will. So my question is, was I making a legitimate connection to the fact that I’m... I hit that word “fact,” and I just went oop! Was that a legitimate impression that I’m participating in some sort of class in the Alterversity, or have participated, in which links of consciousness are directly manipulated?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: So I kind of decided that I started with a rock or something like that and worked up to manipulating them in my own body, (Elias laughs) But I don’t know if that was just me playing with myself or what.

ELIAS: That is a valid impression.

CATHY: I also had an impression of that being, in actuality, related to the Bible stories of what Jesus was doing when he was rising from the dead. Was he actually rebuilding his body using links of consciousness and that’s why there is that piece in the Bible where he says to Mary Magdalene “touch me not”? Was he in the process of rebuilding himself in that story? Is that the idea that was being presented there?

ELIAS: It is the idea; the event is not an actual occurrence, but the idea is the presentment of that type of manipulation.

CATHY: That’s what I was thinking. I don’t really think I would take the stories to be an actual literal interpretation of what actually physically happened.

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: So I’m on a roll with these impressions! Let me give you a few focus impressions I’ve had over the years. They’re all very brief, and they’ve all happened pretty much in dreams and imaginings and things like that. I have an 18th century, I think, Scottish man who died in a narrow, confined, cold, dark prison cell, and his last thought was “to live, we must touch.” Was that a focus impression?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: I feel that man a lot when I’m in a powerfully self-righteous rage! (Both laugh) I feel like I just draw out his sword and I’m ready to go! I had another impression of dying on a shipwreck such as the Titanic or the Lusitania, I’m not sure which, but I died in really cold water. My mother got an impression that she was in a lifeboat and knew that I died. Both of us are correct on that?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: That’s excellent. We thought that was pretty interesting that we tapped into one together. I had a dream about someone whose name I interpreted to be Angela. My mother also had a dream at the same time in which a version of me was in trouble, but I forget the name that she gave her. Now, for me, Angela hung herself in an attic. She was pregnant by a diabetic man who died. Was that just a dream?

ELIAS: No. That is another focus.

CATHY: I was really mad at Angela because she scared the daylights out of my mother. My mother thought it was me in the dream, and I kept telling my mother it’s not me, it’s Angela! And so I was throttling this Angela. I didn’t know you could throttle yourself! (Both laugh) But does Angela forgive me for throttling her?

ELIAS: That is your imagery of the projection of your energy, but it has not actually occurred to the other individual. Ha ha!

CATHY: (Laughs) Oh good! I’m so glad! I felt kind of bad for that! This one is in the old west in the U.S., Oklahoma or thereabouts. I was married to a beautiful dark-haired man. I was just totally in love with him, and we had two kids. I was on a hilltop and I took the kids’ hands and we ran down the hill, because we saw that his horse was home, so he was home. So is that a legitimate focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: At first I asked myself if it was Mike, my husband now, but I’m not so sure about that now.

ELIAS: No.

CATHY: I didn’t think so. What about Kajah?

ELIAS: No.

CATHY: So since it’s neither, do I actually know this person in my present lifetime?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: Are you going to tell me who it is? (Elias laughs) You’re going to say shall I not be investigating, aren’t you!

ELIAS: Quite right! Ha ha ha!

CATHY: Oh, you’re so mean! (Both continue to laugh) Oh, man. Okay, I’ll just have to investigate.

ELIAS: That may be a fun game to feel into the energy.

CATHY: Oh, let me just ask this. How well do I know him?

ELIAS: Quite well.

CATHY: I’ll investigate. Now, when you say “quite well,” you’re talking about that I’ve seen this person’s face, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: That’s all I’ll ask for on that one today. I had an impression of a focus named Ruth in the time of Jesus. I get the feeling she is about 15 years younger than him and really insecure but totally adored him. I even thought to myself that that might be a younger sister of Jesus, but I’m not sure.

ELIAS: No. An admirer, but not actually an individual that is known to that individual.

CATHY: She was extremely insecure where he was concerned, and I think I carry a lot of that insecurity, still measuring myself against him and finding myself wanting.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

CATHY: Just recently, I had a dream in which I connected to a woman who was afraid of her husband. In my dream, I felt that I was part of her mind and I got irritated with her. I asked her why don’t you just leave him, because he was an abusive man. Was that a connection?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: Why do I get so irritated with my other focuses?

ELIAS: For they are expressing differently from yourself, and this is a presentment to yourself of your automatic responses to differences, especially differences in intimacy. These would be intimate connections, for they are also you. Therefore, it is a viewing of yourself generating different experiences and directions than you choose in this focus.

CATHY: So I judge that.

ELIAS: Correct, for you are generating a comparison between yourself and the other focuses as being you, and therefore should be more similar to you.

CATHY: Is this woman one of the current focuses, the current timeframe focuses?

ELIAS: No.

CATHY: It doesn’t really matter, but did she leave? That’s really a question that’s expressing judgment right there, isn’t it?

ELIAS: Yes, and no, she did not.

CATHY: So my real job is just to accept that. That’s her choice and let it be.

ELIAS: Yes. It is not your guideline and it is not your choice, but that is not to say that the other individual is not generating their value fulfillment.

CATHY: There’s this feeling of wanting to help somehow, but really, she doesn’t need my help, does she?

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: That’s going to take some work. There was one other focus impression, or I think there’s just one, and this was really not strong. I had a geisha in Japan?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: Let’s move on here. This one is interesting. This happened just a few nights ago, probably about a week ago now. I had this dream in which I was observing a Middle East kind of civil war; the two sides were similar to each other. It wasn’t like the Americans were over there and we’re so different. It was people that were similar to each other battling each other. It was incredibly bloody, very bloody. I found a woman I guess hiding, and I reached out my hand to her and asked her if she was all right. She said she wanted to go home. Then we immediately switched scenes to a beachy kind of place, a beach and sunlight and a lot of water, and it was very, very beautiful. That, I gathered, was her home. When I got up from that dream the next day, I looked on the Internet for this area, because I had a kind of visual picture of the shape of the water and the land and stuff. I found a similar area just south of Yemen in the Middle East. I was wondering if that was an accurate interpretation of where that impression was coming from.

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: Theirs is a civil war of sorts, or was in the ‘90s. Is this a current day kind of connection or is this reaching back into the past?

ELIAS: This would be a current present connection and a connection with a counterpart action with that other individual.

CATHY: Is she alive?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: If you make a connection like that, does the other individual see that, too? I mean, does she see that happening or does she see something else?

ELIAS: She experienced that, but does not necessarily incorporate the awareness of the different facets of it.

CATHY: Meaning? What did it appear like to her?

ELIAS: The physical imagery appeared quite similar, but the connection is not recognized.

CATHY: So to her I would have appeared like a ghost.

ELIAS: A stranger.

CATHY: That’s really fascinating. The other thing was with Anne on the Intermediate Orientation forum. You told Sid I was an observing essence of Sally Hemmings, and Anne also said that she was Sally Hemmings. What we’re wondering is if we got together, if I’m observing essence and I assume she was directing essence, if we got together, would we feel like Sally?

ELIAS: You can.

CATHY: I mean, would we feel a completeness there?

ELIAS: It is possible. That would be an intentional action to generate. If you are merely engaging physical proximity of each other, that would not necessarily occur. You may recognize a familiarity with each other, but not necessarily experience that particular focus as each other.

CATHY: We would have to subjectively kind of go into it together.

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: That would be interesting. Anne was wondering if we fragmented or if we’re counterparts.

ELIAS: Counterparts.

CATHY: Do we share a lot of similar focuses, experiences together and things like that, or is this just the one?

ELIAS: Several.

CATHY: She has said that I feel very familiar to her, and she feels very familiar to me. It’s interesting how that happens, that people on the lists and things, certain ones you just tap into, and you only know these people from email.

ELIAS: Ah, but you also know them in association with other shared focuses.

CATHY: That brings up an interesting... In 1995, I was with a group of people that met Richard Bach, and he asked what had brought us all together, what is it that we all shared that brought us together in that group. We all failed the question miserably; none of us knew. I was wondering if you’d like to take a stab at that question to see what brought us all together in 1995.

ELIAS: As I have expressed previously, you manifest in groups. Therefore, as your time and technology continues, you allow yourselves to connect objectively with more of the groups that you have manifest with in other focuses. For you have generated means to allow yourselves to be connecting with each other in a much more expansive manner, not merely within physical proximity. But you do also continue to manifest in physical proximity and experiences, with groups of individuals that you may have experienced shared focuses with.

This is not to say that the particular group that met together in that scenario may have been a group of individuals that have been manifest together in many different focuses, but that each individual in that group shares other focuses with every other individual in that group, and in one focus, or perhaps more than one focus, you may choose to generate an experience in which you all objectively connect with each other as a group.

CATHY: It was an amazing thing. The energy was so high it was like getting plugged into an outlet. I came home just so completely charged up from that.

ELIAS: It is an experience that you chose in moving together with other individuals that you have been manifest with in different capacities of intimacies in other focuses. Therefore, there is a significant familiarity within all of the individuals participating, and that generates an intensity in energy as you allow yourselves to connect with each other.

CATHY: It was fantastic. I can see, as you’re talking, I’m kind of following the little channels between me and certain people that were there, and I’m thinking that one felt really familiar, and oh, that one was not quite as familiar to me. I’m just not as jazzed by the remembrance of certain people. But then with others, it’s like two poles just kind of snap into place, and you just know that person immediately. It was a really amazing weekend. I’m so glad I did it! (Elias laughs) What is really strange about it is how in reality, cause and effect reality, how unlikely it would have been... It’s like I just wound everything up so that I would end up there, had to follow certain impulses that just came out of the blue, like “Really? I’ll go along with that! But why?”

ELIAS: This is the manner in which you connect with each other in energy, for you are projecting energy to each other and receiving that energy from each other, and that prompts impulses.

CATHY: This is the same sort of thing that’s happened to bring me into the Elias lists and things like that. It’s not as strong, the impulses are not as... Well, I say that, and then I think immediately to the dream with the Light Guy. What was happening in that dream was I was getting an urge to go to Kentucky, and I was thinking I don’t know anybody in Kentucky! But then years later down the road, here I am sitting in Kentucky listening to you talk.

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: So it’s the same sort of communication.

ELIAS: Quite similar, yes.

CATHY: And the Salt Lake City thing, it happened... I mean, I knew when I was a child that I would eventually meet Richard Bach, but I didn’t know how; I didn’t know why. I also knew that I would eventually end up in Salt Lake City. I had this dream when I was a child of this statue that terrified me by moving, and then an experience in Salt Lake City, later, in the Mormon buildings there. There was a huge statue, and as I’m coming up the ramp inside the building around the circumference, knowing what’s gonna be at the top of that ramp, I was utterly terrified. It’s like I literally had seen a ghost. Someone was asking me what’s wrong, and I kept saying, “Is that statue moving? Did it move? Oh my god!” (Both laugh) I was so shaken, because I had had this dream when I was like eight or nine years old. It was twenty years later that the connection was made. So I sat there wondering did I send out a vibe from the future self back to the child self to create the dream, or did the child self create the event for the future self? It was such a strong impact.

ELIAS: Neither. It is not a matter of time or precognitive or sending an experience to the past, but more of what we are discussing in association with projected energies.

You are all continuously projecting energy, and you are all continuously receiving energy. You do not necessarily identify the received energy as input or energy of another individual. You view it as your own energy, for you generate your own experience with it and you create your own imagery with it. But at times imagery that you create in association with received energies, you may at some point connect with similar energies again, and that may prompt you in impulses to actually incorporate an action in association with previous experiences. This is the reason that individuals believe themselves to be incorporating some type of precognitive experience. In actuality, it is not a matter of that, for...

CATHY: It’s more like a reading and then interpretation in the moment of whatever energies I’m taking in in that moment and making the picture fit.

ELIAS: Correct. You are translating that energy into some type of imagery that you are creating.

Now; you may connect with similar energies subsequently and be receiving similar energies in another time framework, and in the recognition of the similarity of that energy, you shall automatically connect that to an experience and imagery that you have already created that is familiar to you.

CATHY: The question that keeps coming up in my mind as you’re talking is why, why would I do that? Is it just to get my attention, then?

ELIAS: To generate an exploration.

CATHY: Just for fun or for hitting myself on the head with a two-by-four?

ELIAS: It is a curiosity, and it also is a validation of imagery and the realness of it, that you may generate imagery within dream state, and that is not imagined.

CATHY: Oh, that makes sense. It’s so easy to dismiss what happens in dreams.

ELIAS: Yes, and if you are generating some actual physical experiences that correlate with the imagery that you create in dreams, it validates to you that what you are presenting to yourself in imagery is not imagined, and it is real.

CATHY: That makes sense. It certainly makes me pay much more attention to dreams and realize that they have a lot more meaning and that I shouldn’t just dismiss them.

Speaking of dreams, I had a couple of dreams that... They’re kind of long, so I won’t read the whole thing to you. I give them shorthand titles to myself. One is called the Bus Kiss dream. I’m on a bus and a man kisses the back of my neck. One is called the Beach Bridge dream, where I’m crossing a bridge from a beach to a building. In both cases, there is an intensity associated with this man and there is also a fear in myself of addressing to that intensity and allowing it. I’m running away in the Beach Bridge dream. There is a friendly kind of acceptance of that in the man. He doesn’t seem to be bothered all that much.

What I’m wondering is am I using that imagery of the man... It seems awfully consistent to me. He keeps reappearing and reappearing and saying things like you’re afraid of me, aren’t you, and things like that. Everybody on the forums and stuff, they want to identify the people that appear in their dreams. So I’m wondering, again, is this Kajah participating in the energy? It doesn’t look like him, to me.

ELIAS: No, and the individual is not the point.

CATHY: Right. It’s about me.

ELIAS: Correct. The individual is an element of the scenery or the environment, actually, and the subject is not concerning the individual.

CATHY: This is more about my own fears.

ELIAS: Of passion and allowing yourself to express that, and that is quite associated with your orientation.

CATHY: There is also that element of it in the Ayla dream, the wild woman dream, the same...

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: I was the wild woman, and I was afraid of her.

ELIAS: Yes. For the fear is generated in association with the unleashing of passion and the power of that and the automatic association that that must be restrained.

CATHY: I said in the one dream, “Not yet. Not yet,” as if at some point in the future I will say, “Okay, now!” I hope it’s the case that I will, but I was clearly not ready.

ELIAS: And perhaps eventually you shall.

CATHY: I hope. (Elias laughs) We have just a few more minutes left here.

I sent this email, and it started a lot of dogs barking on the Darlings list. It was interesting, part of me was observing as if I was Spock on Star Trek: “Hmm, fascinating, Captain!” (Elias laughs) The other part of me got kind of twinged, so I was trying to address that and actually express what it was that was twinging me. In part, the initial email that I wrote is “Is it me, or does it feel mean to anyone else simply not to feed the big dog?” I mean for me, I feel more relaxed if I just quit being afraid of the big dog, pet him some, make sure he has a meal to focus on so he doesn’t die, and take care of him even though he’s not my preferred dog. Gently move him off his pedestal so the small dog can get his needs for feeding, attention and affection met, too. I thought I would offer that metaphor to you to see if... I noticed that when I am trying to ignore my big dogs, they bark louder and they get scarier.

ELIAS: Correct. It is not a matter of ignoring that, for they are both aspects of yourself. They are both voices of yourself.

CATHY: And the big dog is really okay. He’s big and he’s doggish and he’s not really dangerous. He’s just loud.

ELIAS: Correct.

CATHY: So sometimes it just helps — helps me — to go ahead and pet him and pay attention and let him speak and let him have his say, and then turn around and say, “Okay, so I hear you, dog, and I’m petting you and I’ve got my arm around your neck and I’m hugging on you, but let’s see what the little dog’s got to say.”

ELIAS: I am quite understanding, and I may express to you that that is quite accurate.

In the analogy of the large dog and the small dog that I have offered, it is not a matter of ignoring the large dog or eliminating it but recognizing that that is an aspect of yourself, but also recognizing that at times that aspect of yourself overshadows the small dog, and the small dog does not receive any attention.

CATHY: I guess what I notice is that a lot of times there seems to be this urge that I’m not supposed to feed my big dog, and then it becomes a suppression, like I can’t even acknowledge that the big dog exists.

ELIAS: That is not the point. It is the point to be recognizing that you do incorporate these two voices.

CATHY: I kind of like the big dog sometimes. He serves a purpose. (Elias laughs) He’s useful to me. I mean, he’s got his job and he does it well, and I don’t feel like I should be discounting what he’s doing. He’s really trying to accomplish something, and that’s okay. I just want to hear the small dog, too.

ELIAS: Correct. It is not a matter of opposing any element of yourself. It is a matter of accepting but also paying attention to that softer voice within you that may be overlooked.

CATHY: But in reality, we could balance the two voices.

ELIAS: Yes, and that would be the point, to be generating the balance.

CATHY: So am I heading in a more balanced direction from your perspective?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: When you advised me to try to find more balance last time, and you said something about I like to explore extremes, do you see that happening?

ELIAS: Yes, you are moving in that direction. It is an ongoing process, but you are generating...

CATHY: See, every now and then I just need a pat on the head: “Good girl, good girl!”

ELIAS: (Laughs) I offer my validation to you.

CATHY: On that note, I guess we need to go ahead and wrap this up, and get Mary back and let her have some lunch. She’s still got a body.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well. I express to you great affection, my friend, and enjoyment in our conversation.

CATHY: Thanks. I enjoyed it, too.

ELIAS: I shall be anticipating our next meeting.

CATHY: It’ll be in April in New Orleans!

ELIAS: And I shall be offering energy to you in playfulness. In friendship and in fondness, au revoir.

CATHY: Bye.

(1) Cathy’s note: Here’s the link to the map I found when I did my search on Google. I recognized the shape of the land and the water immediately when I saw it. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_cities/aden.jpg

(2) The Intermediate Orientation email group is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/intermediate/, and is for people with intermediate orientation only.

Elias departs after 1 hour 1 minute.

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