Tuesday, October 5, 2004 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Vollard)

(Elias’ arrival time is 14 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

PAUL: Good morning.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

PAUL: Well, first I should just like to say how happy I am that I finally got through. (Elias laughs) The first thing I have on my list here — I was told I should write the questions down so that I don’t get discombobulated — the first thing I have is starting in the army, 28 years ago and then a couple years after, I started hearing voices, and I’ve heard them non-stop, pretty much ever since. They are basically a very benign influence and seem largely a simple kind of feedback dynamic in relation to my mental, physical and emotion processes ongoing within the present.

When they started, I had this idea that when I was about 30 years younger of hearing a small still voice of God at one time, then I ended up hearing these endless plural voices. I have a simple question: Why? I mean, sometimes it seems like some sort of a cruel joke at times. That’s my first question.

ELIAS: And what is your impression concerning this action?

PAUL: My impression is that they reflect my emotional frame of mind, for the most part. Sometimes there are things that are out of the ordinary, but for the most part, most of the times they seem very repetitive, reflecting my own thoughts and feelings, and acting like cheerleaders or prompters, almost like a tape loop feedback.

ELIAS: And does this create conflict or irritation?

PAUL: (Laughs) It’s been 28 years, more like 26 actually, and at first I was extremely irritated. I got to the point a couple of years after they started where I even cursed God because I was so upset. Because it didn’t seem like answers to prayers were forth coming, and the feedback I got from other people, it didn’t seem to help.

Now, over time, I’ve learned to pretty much ignore them. But I wonder sometimes, should I have paid more attention, or could it be like a gift I could develop and I completely misunderstood?

ELIAS: That is more accurate.

PAUL: That they are a gift?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, what you have allowed is a different type of communication. This communication is a presentment to you of essence. It is not more than one entity, so to speak. It is you, but it may be viewed figuratively as the larger you of you. In this, you have opened a door in which you may actually hear your own voice as essence. This is a powerful tool that you have allowed yourself to engage.

I am understanding that it is quite unfamiliar, and therefore, initially it may have been viewed more as a curse, as you expressed. But in actuality it is, as I have stated, a powerful tool you have allowed yourself to engage, for it may be polished, so to speak. In paying attention and in actually listening, it may be quite empowering, offering you avenues in which it may be easier to be expressing more of a trust of yourself in paying attention.

You have availed yourself of an avenue of communication that many individuals do not allow, and in actuality, this is an expression to be appreciated rather than generating irritation. It may be quite useful to you in shifting, for these are other aspects of yourself, other elements of yourself that incorporate information that may be empowering to you. It is not being generated to be hurtful or to generate conflict. It is merely a question of understanding what you have opened to.

PAUL: It seems like my sister and an old friend, who are both very conservative evangelical Christians, take up a big place in these voices. I wondered, from what I have learned from your information, if this has to do with belief systems and learning to accept them, and I just haven’t, or what?

ELIAS: Explain your statement concerning these other individuals in relation to these voices and occupying a large place.

PAUL: For instance, I have tinnitus or ringing in my left ear. Anytime I want to, I can pay attention to this tinnitus or any noise, the noise of tires on the highway, the wind — any noise will be like a carrier wave for anything I want to focus on. I’ll hear something, but I can listen to this tinnitus, this ringing in my ear, and I’ll hear my old friend sniffing. And I have found out there are many ways to sniff. One can sniff condescendingly; one can sniff with humor; one can make comments with sniffs. It’s like he is constantly present. So I have created this aspect, I guess you’re saying, of myself, and I guess it’s camouflaged, presented as this old friend?

ELIAS: It is not necessarily camouflaged. You are offering yourself communications. Therefore, the friend is significant, for the communication is associated with certain elements of the friend and how you associate with them and what your responsiveness is.

It is offering you a communication to allow you to examine your automatic responses and to generate a clarity in relation to what may be your preferences and what may be judgments, therefore allowing yourself to familiarize yourself more clearly with your beliefs, your truths, your differences and other individual’s differences, and how you generate responses to these differences.

PAUL: For my next question, could you please give me my essence family and essence name?

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Vollard, V-O-L-L-A-R-D.

PAUL: That’s almost the same as my last name.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And your impression as to your essence families?

PAUL: Well, I was wondering with the voices if I aligned with Vold.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: And because of my interest in this information, for instance, if Sumafi were correct.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: Also could I get my wife’s essence name and...?

ELIAS: Essence name, Pleisette, P-L-E-I-S-E-T-T-E (PLEE zet).

PAUL: It’s a long one. And her essence families?

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAUL: I don’t have a clue! I haven’t looked closely enough at families to really know, I guess.

ELIAS: Ah! But I did not inquire of an evaluation; I inquired of your impression.

PAUL: I am impressed by my cat walking across my lap... (Elias laughs) I’m just drawing a blank here.

ELIAS: Sumari and alignment Milumet.

PAUL: My next question is if I should get more rigorous in my approach with this information that I’m learning from you and from the Seth information. I often feel that maybe I’m too loose in my approach and I should be more organized and disciplined and maybe even memorize things. Is this is excessive in some way? Or is there a more balanced approach?

ELIAS: First of all, I may express to you it is not a matter of what you should or should not engage. It is a matter of what you choose and what is in alignment with your preferences.

I may express to you that in the incorporation of this information and the application of this information, it may be quite affecting within your movement and allowing yourself to generate more ease and less conflict within your experiences, and perhaps also enhance your experiences in a preferable manner. But it is a choice.

It is not necessary to push or to force energy. In this, as you incorporate this information, it is important to remember to be playful and not to be incorporating tremendous seriousness, for it is as a game. This is the point, to be incorporating a wider awareness and therefore also incorporating more of an ease in what you do and a greater expression of realizing your abilities, what you can accomplish and what you can do in association with what you want.

I do not offer information to individuals to generate an overwhelmingness or work, but rather to lessen conflict and trauma and to be helpful in assisting you in becoming more familiar with yourself and therefore empowering yourself much more effectively. It is your choice how you engage this information and in what quantity.

PAUL: So as we’re becoming more familiar with self and more trusting, then does that assist with collective consciousness in the same way, along the lines of your intent of reducing trauma?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Not like I have to preach to anybody.

ELIAS: No. It is not a matter of instructing other individuals, but rather, as I have expressed previously, being an example. Expressing yourself as the straight little sapling and therefore being a presentment of an example, being aware of what type of energy you are expressing, for what type of energy you are expressing outwardly does ripple through consciousness and is affecting. In this present timework, it is especially significant to be paying attention and aware of what type of energy you are expressing. For within this time framework, as you are aware, you are all engaging this wave which is addressing to truths.

Now; these are not actual truths; they are your truths. They are beliefs that have been solidified as absolutes, and therefore become your truths, and are unquestioned.

Now; many of your truths are associated with your preferences, but it is significant to recognize that they are not actually true. They are relevant to you, for they are associated with your preferences and your guidelines of how you chose to express yourself and how you chose to be incorporating your own behaviors, but they are not necessarily applicable to other individuals. Other individuals may express different truths.

This is significant, for if you are not recognizing your truths, you may not necessarily be aware of what type of energy you are actually projecting, and within this time framework associated with this wave, there is a tremendous expression of polarization which is occurring throughout your world. As you become familiar with your truths and what type of energy you are expressing, you also become aware of whether you are contributing to that polarization or whether you are contributing to balance.

PAUL: When you say types of energy, what are types of energy?

ELIAS: It is the manner in which you express energy and what it aligns with, how you manipulate energy without thought. It is an automatic action.

You are continuously expressing energy outwardly. In all that you do in every moment, you are expressing energy outwardly. How you are expressing that energy is the question. That would be the type of energy that you are expressing — be it in an expression of judgment or of acceptance, of sharing or of shielding, of matching energy with other individuals or generating allowance. There are many different manners in which you may be expressing your energy.

The manner in which you recognize what type of energy you are expressing is to be paying attention to what you are doing, what is influencing what you are doing, or what you are doing in the action of not doing.

PAUL: I’m going to have a lot to ponder on when I get this tape; I can see that. (Elias laughs)

My next written question here has to do with a brother of mine who vanished into the mountains when we were teenagers. It was four years after he disappeared when various family possessions and one vertebra were found on a local mountaintop. I was just wondering if in fact he did disengage from physical focus at that time on that mountain peak. If he did so, I was wondering if it was because he felt this shift occurring but he was depressed by his inability to adequately translate what was going on or to express it, or what happened.

ELIAS: I am acknowledging of your impression; yes, you are correct. The choice was engaged to be continuing to participate in contributing energy in association with the movement of this shift but not necessarily within physical focus.

Let me also express to you, in association with this question, that choice was recognized at the moment of disengagement, but it was not previously planned.

PAUL: Hmm. I don’t think I’ll pursue that any further.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: My next question: I’ve been interested over the last two and a half years in lucid dreaming and out-of-body experiences. I found this intriguing and wanted to adventure in that direction myself, but it seems like over the last five months or so I’m just blocking myself in some way. I was wondering if you could tell me how I am doing this.

ELIAS: By complicating. Projection is, in actuality, a simple action and does not require intense concentration. It is an action that you naturally engage quite often; you merely do not incorporate an objective awareness or recall of the action. Allow yourself to not complicate the method or the practice of projecting.

Merely allow yourself to chose a focal point, in a manner of speaking, such as a particular destination that you wish to project to or a particular time framework. Merely allow yourself to relax, not objectively concentrating with thought upon your destination but offering yourself the suggestion of a particular destination. Subsequently, allow yourself to relax, and in that relaxation, genuinely defocus your attention and allow it to drift, not attempting to direct it and not discounting what begins to appear.

For many times initially, as individuals are practicing with projection and being objectively aware of their projections, what interrupts the action is that the individual discounts or ignores the initial actions that begin to occur. They discount them as not real or what you define as imagination — OR they are discounted for they may not initially be moving in the direction of the objective or the destination. That is not to say that once you are fully moving yourself into the projection and incorporating the objective awareness of it that you cannot manipulate yourself to be moving to the original destination; but in de-focusing your attention, you may not necessarily initially begin to project to that chosen destination. You may be projecting in a different direction initially. But as you allow the action it matters not, for you allow yourself to move more fully in an awareness of projecting, and thusly you offer yourself the ability to direct where that projection shall move to in association with your own curiosity and your choice.

But as I have stated, what blocks the action is the initial moments that you begin to project and you do not necessarily recognize that you are already engaging the action, and you discount it. Therefore, it stops.

PAUL: There have been many times when I have had an image of concentric circles; it’s a very simple image. It’s luminous off-white concentric circles moving in a dark background. I’ll see that, and I’ll want to move toward it. Maybe there has been some success, but I just can’t seem to do it.

ELIAS: This is a presentment of a focal point. Your urge to move to it is accurate, for that is what it, in a manner of speaking, is beckoning you to do, as a method to allow yourself to be projecting. In this, once again, as you incorporate that focal point, do not push your energy. Allow yourself to merely relax and allow yourself to merge with it or become it, rather than attempting to catch it. (Chuckles)

The attempt at pushing yourself to move to it creates tension in your energy. That creates an obstacle, which blocks the action of the focal point. Therefore, rather than struggling and complicating, allow yourself to merely relax and become the circle.

PAUL: My next question is I had what seemed to be an out-of-body experience, where I initially was in the bedroom and left my body, and for a moment... There were several things that happened, but as best as I can remember, for a moment there was someone who appeared in the ceiling. It was an anomaly; it didn’t make sense. It was like there was a door in the ceiling, and he was rather large and slightly plump with a blondish-red beard and hair and seemed to be a very joyful-type person. Then later he wasn’t there, and I started identifying with going upwards and cultivating love and radiating love. I seemed to be going upward and upward, then in front of me I saw my hands, and there were very small spheres that were between my hands. Then after that I was back in the bedroom, and there seemed to be mud that was being cast upwards, up the stairwell, that came from the kitchen below me. I wondered what was going on, and before long I came out of that, and I was back in the physical body. So, what can you tell me about that?

ELIAS: (Laughs) First of all, I shall acknowledge yes, this was a projection in which you did allow yourself to incorporate your objective awareness. I shall also identify the other individual that was interactive with you, and express to you that was my dear one, the essence that you know as Patel. I may also express to you that that essence is quite playful, and that was the point, as an experience to assure you that projections are fun and may be playful, and that you may manipulate within them and generate actions that are amusing and not harmful, and in discontinuing the projection, your world appears to be quite normal once again. (Chuckles)

PAUL: What was all the mud flying around? That was just playfulness?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Oh, okay. For my next question, I take frequent walks with a close friend who’s been diagnosed with anxiety neurosis and obsessive-compulsive disorder. This is a person who’s lived with his family his entire life. He’s in his fifties and never held a real job. I was just wondering if there is anything I could relate to him from you that would be helpful. (Pause)

ELIAS: You may offer my invitation to this individual, if he is choosing and wishes to engage conversation with myself. You may also express to this individual my acknowledgment of him and that these labels are not as accurate as your society believes.

In this, he has chosen to be creating a different type of reality and a different type of exploration in this physical focus. What he has chosen has actually been beneficial not merely to himself but also to those individuals that he engages relationships with. There is a tremendously powerful energy that this individual expresses and an ability to be generating an action of meshing differences between individuals. Express to this individual my genuine appreciation of his focus.

PAUL: I will. Hopefully he won’t get angry with me for bringing it up! (Elias laughs)

My next question is I had a dream two years ago where I was chasing my wife around the house in Arizona, and then there was an Indian who was actually a person who was half Native American and who was angry with me. I said to this person that I was half Yaqui Indian. The reason I bring this up is because I did your exercise concerning using mirrors, in which sometimes one can see a simultaneous incarnation...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: ...and I had a very vivid impression of what seemed to me a very Native American face in the mirror, half of my face. I was wondering if that was directly related to the dream.

ELIAS: Yes, as another focus.

PAUL: That’s simple enough! (Elias laughs) So I was this person that was half Yaqui?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: I’d like to refer to three experiences which also seem related to a dream. Two of them, I was in the United States Army, and I had mental breakdowns that were very frightening to me. I ended up being permanently retired, even though I was only in the Army for two and a half years. I had a third experience after I got of the Army, and I thought at the time I was going to spontaneously combust and or that I had transgressed some boundary or had triggered something I wasn’t prepared to handle. I was wondering if you could tell me anything about that.

ELIAS: Offer your impressions.

PAUL: Within the context of so much of the information from you and Seth, I thought this was a process having to do with belief systems and reaching an understanding that it is best that I chose to accept these belief systems, and I went through these things as a part of that, to neutralize what within those belief systems created the problems or that I used to create the problem.

ELIAS: Correct. And in that, what have you recognized concerning your beliefs, realizing that they have not been eliminated?

PAUL: I recognized that I could take the worst of my beliefs and create my own hell almost as fast I could create my own heaven.

ELIAS: Correct. And what has that offered you in information? They are significant experiences.

PAUL: Well it seems like I was getting information on different levels that has taken me all these many years to decipher.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: For instance, you mentioned something about shrines that people have. Before the second breakdown I had, I had a dream about the destruction of a Buddha. The dream was replayed three times, as best as I remember. The Buddha was destroyed twice, then it was destroyed a third time by a cornerstone, and then I escaped in a vehicle. I was talking to friends who were on the passenger side of my vehicle who were shape-shifting as I talked to them, like they were different friends appearing in my vehicle as I drove away. I wondered if at some level there was the destruction or the removal of or the neutralizing of shrines that I held at that time.

ELIAS: Concerning...?

PAUL: For instance a chaplain who was a charismatic preacher; he preached charismatics. I used to hang around the chapel so much that I later found out he was annoyed with how often I was there. Plus, I was unable to let go of a certain female friend, and that was primary in the second breakdown.

ELIAS: I am understanding. These experiences and the dream imagery is a presentment of your movement in addressing to strongly expressed beliefs associated with religious beliefs, associated with beliefs concerning relationships, and beliefs concerning behavior and appropriate and not appropriate behaviors.

But what is also significant in association with these experiences is that you have offered yourself an evidence of how strong your energy is and how strongly you may create an experience effortlessly. Which is significant, for you incorporate the same strength to generate in any manner. That was a presentment to offer you an evidence of how strong your energy actually is and how easily you may generate intense experiences without incorporating elaborate methods, and how you may generate that strength spontaneously.

PAUL: Why was there the destruction?

ELIAS: That is your imagery associated with an attempt to be eliminating, in not quite incorporating a genuine understanding of not eliminating, which also is not usual. For, many individuals now continue to be automatically incorporating the action of attempting to eliminate rather than genuinely understanding that they are not eliminating; they are merely allowing themselves to incorporate choice. You generated an intensity in association with attempting to eliminate to evidence to yourself the strength of your individual power.

PAUL: Well now, why would I want to do a thing like that?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Let me express to you, all of your experiences are purposeful, and they are all beneficial. In this, this question that you have posed would be one of the most frequently expressed questions from the most individuals within your physical reality. For you generate an automatic association with the term “choice,” that if you are choosing or if you are creating, you should always be choosing and creating pleasant and comfortable experiences and that you would never choose or want to create an uncomfortable experience or a traumatic experience or a conflicting experience — but that is not necessarily true.

It may be one of your truths that you always want to be creating pleasant and comfortable and preferable and positive experiences, but it is not true. Many times you offer yourself considerable information in conflict or struggle, for there are many strongly expressed beliefs concerning struggle: that what you generate is more valuable if it is generated in accordance with struggle or labor; the more difficult the accomplishment, the more valuable. That also is not true, but it is a strongly expressed belief.

These are associated quite strongly with religious beliefs. Contrary to what many individuals express to themselves that they have eliminated religious beliefs from their experiences, most individuals continue to express some influences of religious beliefs quite strongly. One influence concerns value, what you value. Another very strong influence, which underlies many of your associations with your experiences, is this striving for utopia and this underlying continuous movement to attain completed harmony and bliss. Harmony may be expressed in conflict also; harmony may be expressed in uncomfortableness.

PAUL: I’m not sure I understand that.

ELIAS: For as I have expressed, all of your experiences are purposeful and beneficial. They may not necessarily be comfortable, but they are beneficial and they do offer you information. You may actually be generating a harmony within yourself in an uncomfortable experience, for the experience may be valuable, although it is not comfortable. The experience may motivate you to be generating much more of an awareness of yourself and of your reality, and therefore reinforce your trust of yourself in your abilities. That may be accomplished in a manner that may not necessarily be comfortable but in a manner that you shall pay attention to, and you shall offer yourself valuable information.

At times, you may even be generating acknowledgment and validation of yourself through an uncomfortable experience, and in that, you generate a harmony. It merely does not appear to be harmonious to you in the moment, for you generate the automatic association that uncomfortable experiences are bad, and the automatic response within the experience is to attempt to push away or to eliminate.

PAUL: So go with the flow! (Elias laughs) And now I think I have to end the session.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

PAUL: Thank you very, very much, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, and I offer to you my energy in supportiveness and encouragement. I shall be expressing my energy to you in reminder to be incorporating playfulness. (Laughs) I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my friend. To you in tremendous appreciation, au revoir.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 1 minute.

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