Saturday, August 28, 2004 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Markus (Mikah)

(Elias’ arrival time is 15 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

MARKUS: Hello, Elias!

ELIAS: (Laughs) We meet at last!

MARKUS: At last, yeah! (Elias laughs) Actually, yesterday I had thought we wouldn’t meet at all, but, well, someone decided differently.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?

MARKUS: Actually, due to the many delays, I have thought of most of my questions. I had a large list of questions and even after the first time when the session didn’t happen, I re-evaluated them and most of them didn’t seem so interesting anymore. When I called today, I thought I would just call you and see if the session occurs, and I would just go with the flow. (Elias laughs) Do you have any insights about why the delays occurred?

ELIAS: I may express to you, the reason is precisely what you have noticed in evaluating your questions and what you originally wished to discuss, allowing yourself a time framework in which you would re-evaluate and assess the significance of your original questions and whether you offered yourself answers in paying attention to yourself and in listening to yourself — also, an experiment in manipulating energy and exchanging energy with another individual in the now and how you respond to that action and interaction.

In a manner of speaking, it has been a type of practice for you to be actually holding your attention in the now and in conjunction with another individual, exchanging energy with another individual and recognizing what you are creating in the now, in each moment, and allowing yourself to experiment with actually being present with yourself.

MARKUS: I think that makes a lot of sense, because that’s exactly what happened when yesterday I didn’t feel in the mood to have a session at all; I just called it off. Today, when I laid down around noon, I had a short nap and I woke up with the impulse to just try to call you again. I trusted, followed that, because I thought the decision yesterday was yesterday and this was now. The impulse now is there; I’ll just go with that and see what happens.

ELIAS: Correct. This is a significant practice also, for many individuals may at times be practicing with the action of paying attention to what they are doing and what they are projecting and their energy in the moment in the now, but generally as they practice that action, they are engaging that action alone, merely with themselves and not necessarily in conjunction with another individual. As you are engaging interactions with other individuals generally speaking on a daily basis, it is significant also to practice being aware of your own energy, your own projections of energy, what you are doing in the now, and also (in) participating with other individuals, how you respond to other individuals’ energies and what your choices are, noticing what YOU are doing rather than projecting your attention to the other individual and what they are doing. Are you understanding?

MARKUS: Yes, absolutely. That’s actually quite a big topic for me over the last few months, especially since I started to read these sessions. I have, so to speak, a field of practice for that, and that is that I’m engaged in two online communities which basically deal with spiritual topics and discussions. I have noticed that most of the learning I’m doing there is to learn how I interact with other individuals and learning to see that, for example, my reactions are my own so I can protect it, or if I receive aggressive energy, my thing is to decide how to deal with that. That was where your material has been the most helpful to me.

ELIAS: I am understanding, for this is a significant challenge, for it may be somewhat less challenging to hold your attention in the now if you are not interacting with other individuals and if you are merely paying attention to what you are doing alone. But in an exchange with other individuals, it becomes more challenging, for you are engaging an actual exchange of energy.

In being aware of your own energy and what you are doing and what you are projecting, it allows you to recognize moments in which you are reflecting energy to yourself concerning what you yourself are projecting. Also, it allows you to recognize what you receive from other individuals in their projections and how you choose to respond, or whether you choose to receive that energy and reconfigure it, or whether you choose to receive that energy in the manner in which it was projected — which offers you a significant practice to be manipulating energy, to be aware of what YOU are doing and how that creates whatever you present to yourself through your perception within your individual reality. It also is reinforcing of your trust of yourself, that you are manipulating all of your reality, that you are not a victim to other individuals, and that you actually incorporate the freedom and the power to be generating what you want within your reality, regardless of what other individuals express.

MARKUS: That has been a big topic for me. I’m quite aware about the power of creating your own reality from having read the Seth books from Jane Roberts for many years now, and I really adore them. But it’s basically every day a new challenge to really accept everything as our own creation and to map that onto a co-creation with someone else who doesn’t know it that way. Most of the people I’m interacting with are simply not aware of that fact and are acting out of what I might call usual moral values and having, in my view, their attention mostly upon someone else and are dependent upon what someone else does.

I especially have one person whom I’m interacting with who would be in the online community, and she is basically a victim like out of a book. She is accepting anything and everything that is coming her way in the way it arrives there, is always in conflict or challenge with those other individuals, and is trying through her victimhood to manipulate the other individuals, because she is sort of not aware that it’s her own energy which she is interacting with. This is an interesting combination, because I’m trying to keep my attention with myself, and at the same moment I’m interacting with someone who’s quite practiced in manipulating other people through victimhood. That has created some quite interesting situations.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And this is an interesting presentment of a challenge.

MARKUS: Yes, absolutely. I just today had a mail exchange with her, which goes back to something that happened yesterday on the online forum, where I basically just said about a presentment of the text of a third person that I wasn’t interested. She is now trying to persuade me to dig deeper into that kind of text, because she thinks I’m misinterpreting that text and there is more to it and I’m missing something important. That alone is quite an interesting challenge, to see if I really want to look into that text again, do I even want to re-evaluate if I’m really missing something about that text and stuff like that.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this presents an interesting challenge.

MARKUS: Absolutely, I’m absolutely interpreting that way.

ELIAS: For this allows you to evaluate yourself and evaluate how easily individuals such as yourself may be receiving energy from another individual and not reconfiguring it, and therefore allow that energy to trigger your own doubts. Therefore, the other individual receives their payoff.

In this, another challenge is to be interacting with such an individual, their energy and how they manipulate energy, without expressing judgment and allowing yourself merely to share. Therefore, in not generating a judgment or an expectation, you do not attempt to instruct.

MARKUS: That was another thing that I learned through reading your sessions, because naturally in an online community or any community that deals with spiritual or with philosophical matters, at one point or another it boils down to who’s got the truth.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And I may express to you that you all incorporate your truths.

MARKUS: (Laughs) Yes, I have learned that over the last two months from your sessions. (Elias laughs) I absolutely appreciate that, because that was something that has caused quite some conflict and trouble within me. I guess that may be related to the family of consciousness which I think I belong to, the Sumaris. You said in one of your sessions that the Sumari are the pot-stirrers, and sometimes I just feel like I want to poke other people. Also Sumaris are ascribed to the whole truth business in a big way, and I found that to be very true in relation to myself.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Quite challenging, is it not?

MARKUS: Yes, absolutely. But I’m sort of a challenging guy. (Both laugh) It has become quite a lot easier compared to last year. I hadn’t dealt with myself or with spiritual matters for about three, five years, and I would have almost bet I accidentally came across the whole belief system or range of topics again, but I guess it was just time to address that. I presented myself with a very good friend with whom I spend a lot of time, and he deals with rituals and such matters in an intense way. He gave me one or two books, and they just set me on fire in so much conflict between what was expressed there and what I thought about myself and about truth in general. This started a very powerful process over the last one and a half years now. I find myself still digging up new things, where things need some polishing, or at least where I want things to be a bit more polished than they are. (Elias laughs)

Regarding that, I have a question that does interest me and which is coming from the first list of things, those individuals whom I feel are mostly believed in a worldview which has derived from an Eastern or Indian teacher. His name is Ramana Maharshi. I don’t know if you know anything about that.

ELIAS: Continue.

MARKUS: That is basically in line with what in Western philosophy is called perennial philosophy, like looking for the part in oneself who is always there. I think it’s called self-inspection, one of the methods or processes which Ramana Maharshi had presented to his followers. It’s a line of thought that goes like you can look at what you are perceiving and everything you can perceive that is not you. Or you can perceive the sky and the sky is not you, and you can perceive your thoughts and the thoughts are not you, and you can perceive your feelings and your feelings are not you, and you can perceive your body and your body is not you. In the end, this leads to a form of confusion where these people are basically saying there is no I, no I-ness, so there’s no doer because there’s nobody to do something because everything around the I or I-ness of people can be perceived, and that is not the person or the perennial part of one’s self.

In the end, what this leads to is that the people who I know from these communities, and my friend especially, are living in a way that is pretty irritating to me, at least the way they express this. For example, with a simple doing like getting up and fetching a cup of coffee and drinking it, they express that there was nobody who was doing that. That was just sort of the doing-ness of drinking coffee. Also, the wish to drink coffee or to get up was not part of them; it was just sort of part of the god-self who played his game of drinking coffee through this body.

On one side, they are actually very much paying attention to themselves, but on the other side I’m sort of irritated about the “there is no I, there is no doer” thing, how they describe that. I have tried to understand that for about a year now but didn’t really come up with anything significant, so I thought you may have some insight on that, probably.

ELIAS: Yes, and let me inquire of you, first of all, what do you assess generates this irritation within you, this response within you in association with their philosophy?

MARKUS: Well, basically in the beginning it was just a difference or a conflict in two truths that would appear. It was my indication of, first off, I thought these people had the real, real truth and I did not have it. (Elias chuckles) It has caused a lot of conflict at that point.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

Now; let me express to you, you are correct. Your irritation is a response to difference, and it is actually motivated by threat. The difference presents a threat to you in which you express defensiveness of yourself and of your philosophy. That also generates a type of competition, that one or the other must be the real truth.

Now; this is significant, for within this wave addressing to truths, this is what you are all presenting to yourselves, the opportunity to recognize what your truths are but also to recognize that they are not absolute and they are not TRUE. They are your truths, for you have generated them into an absolute, but they are not absolutes. Individuals incorporate different methods and different philosophies, but that is not to say that any of those philosophies are absolutely true. They are true to the individual, and that truth is the individual’s guideline for how they shall express themselves and how they shall orchestrate their behavior. But it does not necessarily apply to other individuals, for other individuals may incorporate different truths. None of them are right or wrong; they are what each individual prefers.

Now; I may express to you, I am understanding of this philosophy that you have explained. I may also express to you, in a manner of speaking that philosophy does incorporate some element of what you may view as correctness, for that philosophy is generating, in a manner of speaking, a search for the essential self, which would be quite similar to the idea of essence. As I have expressed many times, essence is an element of consciousness. Consciousness is not a thing; it is not an entity. It is an action. Therefore, essence is an action also and not a thing. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, the philosophy that these other individuals ascribe to is somewhat correct, for they are attempting to move somewhat beyond the expressions of separation and generate some type of connection objectively with the essence of themselves and of reality, which is not physical and is not a thing.

Now; what consciousness does, what essence does in conjunction with different expressions or qualities of consciousness such as time, is project energy, and in conjunction with time, generate physical manifestations, therefore producing physical realities. In this, the physical reality is quite real. I may express to you, what would be somewhat not accurate in this philosophy is that what is created is somewhat the opposite of what their concept is. For rather than expressing that the sky is not you, a cup is not you, your thoughts are not you, your feelings are not you, that there is some other force that is the essential you — yes and no. For the sky, the universe, the planets, the stars, your earth beneath your feet, a cup, a table, your body, they are all projections of that essential you. Therefore, they are all you, also.

MARKUS: That’s basically how I view things through the Seth material and also through your sessions. I guess that the biggest difference between this kind of philosophy and the way I view myself is that I’m always thinking in terms of that is me and I’m doing all this, and these other people are sort of identified with the original, where the wanting and the doing is coming from, so they just say God is doing things through them.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and there are many philosophies that express similarly to that philosophy. This is not to say that they are wrong. It is merely an interpretation, and it is filtered through their beliefs. Every philosophy within your physical reality is filtered through each individual’s beliefs, and therefore, none of the philosophies are absolute.

In this, it matters not that the other individual may incorporate a preference to that philosophy and incorporate that as their truth and therefore express that as their guideline within their reality. That does not diminish or invalidate YOUR truth.

MARKUS: Yes, that is the conclusion to which I’m coming closer and closer.

ELIAS: In this, as you begin to allow yourself more flexibility in recognizing that each individual incorporates their own truths, even an individual that is a perpetual victim and continuously blaming, that individual incorporates their truths also, and in that expression of victim and blame is also generating their value fulfillment. You may not necessarily agree with another individual, but that is not to say that you cannot generate cooperation with another individual. Agreement is not a requirement or a prerequisite to cooperation or acceptance. It is not necessary to agree to be accepting.

MARKUS: I think that’s a process which I’m currently learning.

ELIAS: Which offers you much more freedom and much more of an ease in your movement, in your expressions and in your interactions with other individuals. For if you are accepting of yourself and acknowledging and appreciating of yourself, you begin to experience less and less threat of other individuals’ differences, which generates an automatic by-product of being accepting of the other individuals also. Therefore, in that acceptance, you may allow yourself to share experiences and to interact without judgment and also without doubt of yourself or defensiveness within yourself, which allows you tremendous freedom.

MARKUS: I think that most of the engagement with the online community has been discussions with my friend that have actually been motivated by finding such thoughts or finding more and more the points which are becoming more and more subtle, which I am still doing to (inaudible) conflict or a threat.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And remember, this particular wave in consciousness addressing to truths is being expressed differently than any of the other waves that have occurred previously. This particular wave is not being expressed intellectually. This is not to say that individuals are not thinking, but the presentment of your individual truths is generated in experiencing your truths rather than merely intellectually evaluating them.

Therefore, as you present any of your truths to yourself, they shall be presented in an experience, and subsequently you evaluate the experience and allow yourself to recognize what your truth was in that experience and which influence of that truth — which is actually a belief that has been expressed in absolute — have you incorporated an automatic response with. Therefore, that allows you to recognize other influences of the same belief that you may choose and may be more in keeping with your preferences and more in association with what you want to create, rather than generating automatic responses that may be limiting.

MARKUS: Yes, I am seeing that quite clearly. A few of those conflicts that arose from the collision of different truths really hit home. It wasn’t just a heated discussion of something, but they really were played out in a way into the very core of my experience, not just at the periphery.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

MARKUS: Also, I already recognized a great increase in freedom in the way that I started looking to my communication. It has been extremely helpful reading from your sessions, and previously from another nonphysical entity, from Abraham, who is basically teaching that emotion is communication and not a reaction or anything else.

ELIAS: Correct. In this, my friend, as you begin to recognize your own truths, you may also allow yourself the understanding that as absolutely as you express your truths, so do other individuals express their truths very absolutely.

MARKUS: (Laughs) I already got that the hard way! (Elias laughs) In fact, I’m trying at this point to not be expressing my truth in absolute terms, and the new kind of conflict that arose with that, at least initially, was that not expressing truths in absolute terms has become some sort of an absolute term. (Elias laughs) I engaged in heated discussions with other people about the absolute addressing of their own truths. (Elias laughs) It was just something like a pet trying to catch its own tail. You make a step, you think you have it, and something new arrives and you have to deal with that.

ELIAS: And this is a presentment to yourself of how easy it is to generate an absolute! (Laughs)

MARKUS: Yes, especially for someone like me who has been in the pursuit of absolutes for many, many years.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Ah, my dear friend, what a disappointment to discover that there ARE no absolutes!

MARKUS: The first time I read about that in your sessions, that was a big fight for me as well.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Oh my, now what shall you do with your well-designed foundation?

MARKUS: (Laughing) A good question, and I think I will find out! (Elias laughs) I will be looking for more absolute truths for that stuff that you can’t even see.

ELIAS: Or perhaps you shall redesign your foundation and recognize that it is more likened to a holograph than it is to a solid creation. (Chuckles)

MARKUS: What did you mean by that?

ELIAS: Your physical reality, although it appears to be quite solid and also absolute, is not as absolute and solid as it appears.

MARKUS: Ah, I think I understand that part, at least intellectually, not that I have implemented it. (Both laugh)

This leads me to another interesting question. This has been taken from different sessions that have been presented to different people, but I remember one session where you were addressing the questions of an individual named Michael/Mikah...

ELIAS: Yes.

MARKUS: ...and were expressing to him about this new belief system of obtaining all of our wealth and wishes without incorporating any action. On the other hand, you often say that everything that happens here is just perceptions, and we are making our perceptions ourselves, so I sort of can’t get that together.

ELIAS: Both are correct.

Now; you create all of your reality, every element, every aspect of your reality, through the mechanism of perception. Perception is an objective tool or mechanism that creates all of your reality. Energy is projected through perception, and perception projects the actual physical manifestations within your reality. Every element of it is your creation.

Therefore, creating money is also a projection of your perception, for it is an object, it is a physical manifestation. In this, you generate that in the same manner that you generate your room, your sky, your planets, your trees. Whatever is manifest within your reality, you created.

Now; you also incorporate beliefs, which are quite real, and their influences are quite real, and those influences influence perception. In this, if your belief that you express is that you ACQUIRE money, that is what you shall manifest, the acquisition of money. I may express to you, in altering your perception, in genuinely recognizing that you actually generate money, it matters not HOW you generate it or what method you incorporate. What matters is that you recognize and trust that you are generating it and that you incorporate the ability to generate that. In that trust, you begin to generate the manifestation with more flexibility, and therefore allow yourself more avenues to create it.

As I have expressed with Mikah many times, Mikah does not yet entirely recognize that he creates his reality in its entirety. Therefore, he may generate many types of creations that he wants, but he credits those creations to other individuals rather than himself. This is not unusual. Many, many, many individuals express in this manner, for this is their perception, that they are not actually creating ALL of their reality, they are only creating the elements of their reality that individually, singularly concern them.

MARKUS: So it’s basically something that’s relative to the person who asks such a question, like someone who has not entirely recognized that he is creating his reality. He needs to create some action. While someone else, like I think there’s some Indian guy named Sai Baba from whom they tell that he is actually able to produce matter out of nothing, like to manifest a chair or dust out of nothing. That would be an example for someone who wouldn’t have to produce money through regular action. He would be able to not only recognize that he’s creating his own reality but actually being able to objectively modify it.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; I may express to you that generally speaking, for the most part most individuals do not allow themselves to generate that type of action. It is not that it is impossible, for it is quite possible, for this is what you do continuously. As I have expressed, consciousness and essence are not a THING; therefore, you are continuously generating things from no thing. You yourself in your physical manifestation of your physical body, you are creating in every moment a physical body from no thing.

In this, the point that I express to most individuals, recognizing that they are creating within the framework of their beliefs — and their beliefs are not bad and not wrong and not their enemy — and in creating within the framework of your individual beliefs, they are not necessarily as constricting as you perceive them to be. For you do incorporate the ability to alter your perception, and in altering your perception, that actually changes your reality.

As you allow yourself the flexibility in recognizing that you are creating all of your reality, you allow yourself to credit yourself with whatever method you choose to accomplish a particular outcome. If you choose to travel, or you want to travel, and you present to yourself another individual that affords you the financial ability to incorporate and accomplish that traveling, YOU have created that. YOU drew that individual to yourself. YOU manipulated the energy to present that to yourself and to accomplish what you want. Therefore, it is no less valid than were you to incorporate the action of materializing a significant sum of money within your hand.

MARKUS: (Laughs) And it’s great, probably, getting to the point of being able to materialize an amount of money in my hand. The way towards that would probably be an action far harder than the regular acquiring of money.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and that is the point, for that is what generates your own trust. The more you generate trust of your abilities, the more you allow yourself to express your abilities.

MARKUS: Yes, I’m finding this year that the money part in my life is working quite well, and I’m just seeing how effortless making money through effortless action is working.

ELIAS: Yes!

MARKUS: It’s a part which is quite (inaudible).

ELIAS: Which offers you an example of how easily you do create. If you are expressing that trust of yourself, you effortlessly generate what you want, and you do not concern yourself with it as an issue.

MARKUS: Yes, definitely. Speaking of Mikah, I had been on the Internet when I found the first Elias sessions. I browsed the Internet and the related sites there, and I came across pictures from a few of the past group sessions. When I saw Mikah’s picture, I felt a rush of energy like a chill or what we call goose bumps. (Elias grins and nods) Can you tell me what kind of relation that is between me and him?

ELIAS: And what would your impression be?

MARKUS: It’s a bit hard, because I’m having this kind of goose bumps or chills a couple of times. With Mikah, the impression that I had would be that it is probably someone I am intensely dealing with in another focus or probably many other focuses. I think he even mentioned in one of his sessions being a focus in an ancient Egyptian community or society as a priestess, and I think I have a focus like that in my own intuition or impressions, so that might be a common link, but I didn’t dig into that too deeply.

I just wanted to present that question as an example of what those goose bumps or chills might mean, or if they mean anything, or if it was just a point that made me... What actually happened is that I inquired on the website if anyone would know this person, and in succession to that, I read some of the sessions he had with you. It may as well have been just a point to pay more attention to the sessions he had than what I would have done otherwise.

ELIAS: (Chuckles, with a big grin) And interestingly, you have not inquired as to your essence name or your families.

MARKUS: Yes, I know. That would be an entirely different topic.

ELIAS: Not necessarily!

MARKUS: Okay...

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is the reason that you are incorporating this response.

MARKUS: Because my essence name would also be Mikah?

ELIAS: For you are another focus of that essence.

MARKUS: (Laughs) The facts are interesting because I would even have thought of that, but I discounted that idea because of two reasons. One of them simply was that it was a too straightforward answer, as everybody’s always inquiring about if this is a focus of me or not. I just sort of discounted my first impression in that regard. Also, the reason was that I actually had had an impression about my essence name, and it was totally different.

ELIAS: And what was your impression?

MARKUS: I don’t have an exact spelling, but it would be something like Waldemar or Waldemare.

ELIAS: That is a focus. In actuality, you incorporate several focuses with that physical naming.

MARKUS: Would one of those focuses be Ralph Waldo Emerson, the American philosopher?

ELIAS: No. (Chuckles)

Now; I may express to you, if you are so choosing, you may perhaps wish to be generating an interaction with this other focus of Mikah, or you may not; it is your choice. Generally speaking, for the most part, individuals that are focuses of the same essence do not generally express much interest in each other. But there are exceptions, and that is, as I have expressed previously, not a rule, and it is also not an absolute. (Laughs)

I may express to you, your identification of Sumari is your alignment in this focus, being aligned with the Sumari family, and therefore it appears to be much more obvious in your expressions.

MARKUS: And the family — I don’t remember.

ELIAS: Sumafi.

MARKUS: What would be my essence color or focus color?

ELIAS: And what is your impression?

MARKUS: Definitely a tint of blue, probably a dark blue with a light tint of green like ocean blue or something like that.

ELIAS: As your focus color, yes. And I shall...

MARKUS: And the essence color, that’s different from the focus color — it might be a royal blue?

ELIAS: I shall allow you to investigate with your other focus.

MARKUS: (Laughs) Okay. May I have one last question, as we are already over the time?

ELIAS: Very well.

MARKUS: I also have a very intense chill and goose bumps whenever it comes to reading something about Jane Roberts, even the Seth books but more her personal books like “Mortal Self in Time.” Can you tell me more about the connection there?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you have incorporated counterpart action with this individual, and you also incorporate many focuses together.

MARKUS: I see, that really makes sense. (Elias chuckles) That is much food for thought for now.

ELIAS: Ha ha, very well!

MARKUS: I am very grateful for being here and for all the input.

ELIAS: And I am available to you always, my friend. (Chuckles)

MARKUS: Yes, I am aware of that, but I think — this may be the very last question — that we had some type of energetic interaction when I started reading your sessions.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARKUS: I always had sort of a voice dialogue in my head, and one of the voices or the answers were always in the typical way you are formulating sentences. The funny thing is, at one point when I was reading a session, you expressed to someone that you are actually not necessary to answer the questions because our own essence would have the same answers, and I think that from that point on I blocked you and tried to get the answers from my own essence. Would that be somewhat correct?

ELIAS: Yes. And now, if you are so choosing, you may incorporate both. Ha ha ha!

MARKUS: Yes, I will definitely do that! (Both laugh) Thank you very much for your time, because... Oh, you have enough time! (Elias laughs) We will probably talk about time next time.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my friend. (Laughs)

MARKUS: Thank you, my friend.

ELIAS: I express to you tremendous affection, and I shall be reminding you also to be incorporating playfulness. (Laughs)

MARKUS: Absolutely.

ELIAS: To you in great fondness, my friend, au revoir.

MARKUS: Thank you. Bye-bye.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 7 minutes.

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