Saturday, July 31, 2004 (Private)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Daniil (Zynn), Natasha (Nichole) and Inna (Beatrix)

(Elias’ arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

ALL: Good morning, Elias.

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

DANIIL: We have two questions from people we don’t know. One is for Ted. Does he have a focus of Elizabeth Elias Kaufman?

ELIAS: Yes.

DANIIL: Another one is from Dirk Z. He wants to know his essence name, family and alignment.

ELIAS: Essence name, Markus, M-A-R-K-U-S. Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Sumari.

NATASHA: And orientation?

ELIAS: Common.

NATASHA: We got that out of the way.

ELIAS: Very well!

DANIIL: Since all three of us are here, this will give us an opportunity to discuss what shared focuses we have with each other, and with you perhaps, unless you have other ideas.

INNA: We didn’t plan it, really.

NATASHA: We discussed it while we were driving here, but we decided it would be a general scheme for us, a few questions, but we just decided to see where it would take us.

ELIAS: Very well.

DANIIL: So was there any time when all three of us knew some focus of you?

NATASHA: And the three of us were together in the same time framework?

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: When was that time, the place?

ELIAS: You incorporate focuses, all three together, also with myself, in northern Africa, also one in France, also one in Brazil, also one in Japan, also one in India.

INNA: India!

NATASHA: You are talking about the four of us together?

ELIAS: Yes.

DANIIL: She tried to deny our connection to India, but I knew she was wrong.

NATASHA: Wow. That’s amazing.

INNA: We were thinking that probably Daniil and I probably were shamans.

ELIAS: One.

INNA: Was I a witch?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

DANIIL: So in other words, our sharing a focus with your focus of Elias in the same group of shamans? Was she also a disciple of yours?

ELIAS: Student.

INNA: I like that.

DANIIL: And Italy, did I share a focus with Natasha in Italy?

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: Who were we at the time? What relationships did we have?

ELIAS: You each engaged friendship (indicating Natasha and Inna), and both of you are adversarial with you (indicating Daniil).

INNA: Wow, that’s so funny! (Laughter) Is this like 15th century?

ELIAS: Yes. (To Daniil) You are not well received by these two! (Laughter)

DANIIL: Was it like opposite camps during the war or was it more like a personal intrigue?

ELIAS: Personal. And in this, you provide a strong irritation to these individuals.

DANIIL: I knew I could do it! (Laughter) Inna was speaking about Shakespeare, some connection?

INNA: Yes, something about Shakespeare. Recently I watched “Much Ado About Nothing,” is it related to that?

ELIAS: You incorporate a focus within that time framework which expresses an admiration for that individual and a strong appreciation of the works.

INNA: Is this play based upon the (inaudible). Because when I watch it, I feel aligned with the Beatrice character.

ELIAS: It is somewhat but not entirely. It is somewhat associated with some real situations.

INNA: It wasn’t my focus which would relate to this type of personality?

ELIAS: This type of personality, yes.

DANIIL: In her focus as Isadora Duncan, I was thinking I was either a Russian poet at that time or maybe an amateur poet. Did I have a focus of a Russian poet or some Russian at the time as Isadora Duncan?

ELIAS: Briefly.

DANIIL: Was I really a poet?

ELIAS: Yes, and also lyricist, songwriter.

INNA: I have confusion about this focus that you talked about, Isadora Duncan. We have a database on the website about focuses, and somebody else’s name was above this focus, not me, and that was my confusion. So my confusion is, first of all, did I get the right information, and second, if it is the correct information, how does it work?

ELIAS: It is correct information, and this is not unusual. As I have expressed previously, there are no absolutes. Also, this is an example, which I have discussed previously with other individuals, of the significance or the importance of the individual, each individual, and the significance of the choices of each individual.

You are not OWNED by an essence; you are not CONTROLLED by essence; you ARE essence. Therefore, YOU choose.

In this, let me express to you, each focus of attention is a manifestation. It is the physical embodiment of essence. Therefore, essence is not this immense entity that is outside of you. It is not another entity that you belong to or that you are a piece of. You are the entirety of essence. That identification of a particular essence is the identification of a personality tone of energy, but there is no separation within consciousness. Therefore, each essence is not a separate entity from consciousness. It is all one. There are different personality tones of energy, which is what we identify as essences. But that is merely a distinction of tones, of differences in energies, but it is all one consciousness.

Therefore, any physical manifestation of a focus of attention, which is you, chooses what tone it expresses of consciousness in any time framework. Therefore, it is possible to be incorporating the identity of one personality essence tone and energy, and to choose a different energy also. And you may move easily within any essence energy and tone.

INNA: Who is to choose?

ELIAS: The individual chooses.

INNA: So Isadora would choose what she...?

ELIAS: Yes.

DANIIL: Then, when the focus disengages, who is really disengaging? Who goes through the transition, the essence...?

ELIAS: The individual.

NATASHA: The focus goes through transition.

ELIAS: Yes.

DANIIL: When the focus goes through transition, is that essence remembering all its focuses, all its focuses simultaneous?

ELIAS: Yes, that is one aspect of transition, yes.

DANIIL: So when Isadora, for example, dies, disengages, the essence that is currently the focus goes through transition. What about the other essences that used to be focused?

ELIAS: That also would be realized. All of the focuses would be realized of any of the essences that that particular individual chose to be incorporating within that focus of attention.

DANIIL: So the decision to share a focus, so to speak, or to switch, is that made by both essences?

ELIAS: No.

DANIIL: Or is that still made by the individual focus?

ELIAS: Yes, by the individual.

DANIIL: So decision making, so to speak, is kind of balanced. Some decisions are made by essences and some decisions are made by individual focuses.

ELIAS: Once a focus of attention is manifest, all of the choices concerning that focus are of that focus, because the focus is all of essence.

What you are expressing in this question continues to generate a separation between essence and focus, and continues to perpetuate the concept and the idea that they are two entities, that there is a focus here within physical (puts one hand out to the right) and there is an essence here, nonphysical (puts the other hand out to the left), and that this essence here, nonphysical, chooses for this physical manifestation. No. This nonphysical is one. (Brings hands together)

NATASHA: We just don’t know when the choices are made objectively.

DANIIL: So it is basically a cooperation, so to speak, between two essences, an unusual one, but it happens when the two essences decide that the focus will have one essence directing it for some time framework, and the other...

ELIAS: THE ESSENCES DO NOT DECIDE. The FOCUS decides.

DANIIL: But the focus is part of the essence, so in a manner of speaking...

ELIAS: But there is continuous mergences that are occurring with essences, for there is no separation with essence. There is no separation of consciousness. Therefore, there are not all of these essences, entities, within an enormous containment of consciousness. It is not...

INNA: But you said the identity...

ELIAS: The identity lies in the individual.

INNA: In the focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: Okay, what about essence identity? You identify yourself as Elias, you tell us our essence names are such and such, so there should be some identity in essences as well, even though they are all together and there is a connectedness. But there also should be some separation... Or is that the only way we can understand how it works?

ELIAS: I am understanding your confusion, and I may express to you that this is one of the reasons that I do not engage much conversation with individuals concerning nonphysical areas of consciousness or actions of consciousness, for it is entirely unfamiliar to what you know within physical focus.

You incorporate a physical reality in which you do express separation. That is what seals your identity; that is what maintains your identity of who you are and what you are. Within consciousness outside of a physical reality, there is no separation. There is an awareness of identity, in a manner of speaking, but not in the manner that you associate with identity, for it is not so very singular.

I identify myself as Elias. That is an expression of this essence, but this essence is not a thing. It is an action. All of consciousness is not a thing; it is not an entity. It is action, movement. Therefore, there is no thing to attach an identity to. In a manner of speaking, there is somewhat of an identity, for there is an awareness of the tone and the essence personality, but that also is a movement and is continuously intermingled with all other essence tone personalities.

NATASHA: The merging is always going on somewhere.

ELIAS: Correct.

DANIIL: So if we compare it to the music of the orchestra, it would be almost as if different voices were essences, but they would merge and each one would be aware of itself and also aware of other voices, and would be able to split the voice into several voices or merge several voices into one, and still be aware of the individual voices.

ELIAS: Correct. That would be, within your terms, somewhat of an accurate description or manner in which you may associate with consciousness, but incorporating also not merely each instrument and each voice but every note that is played and every sound that is not sounded. Every silence and every note, and all of those silences and notes of all of the instruments and all of the voices merge to produce one creation, one symphony.

NATASHA: May I bring up another analogy? It may be not exactly the same, but when you want to be with somebody — I don’t want to use the word “like” or “love” — I personally always felt I don’t just want to have sex, I want to be whole with that person. I want to go into that person and just be a whole with that person. Is this a recognition of what is going on in essence form?

ELIAS: Yes, and you can accomplish that also in merging through your empathic sense in which you actually project your energy and mingle your energy with that of another individual, and you physically experience being each other. Or if you are genuinely allowing yourselves and are daring enough, you may even merge your energies to a point in which your identities mingle in such a manner that there is no individual identity.

NATASHA: I think that is the coolest thing! (Elias laughs)

DANIIL: I think I am beginning to notice some qualities of Natasha in myself, a different energy that I didn’t have before.

ELIAS: You might be manipulating energy in what you would term to be quite amazing manners and surprise yourselves, for you do incorporate the ability within physical focus to be projecting your energy in a manner in which it merges so fully with another individual’s energy that both of you shall physically experience that mingling and that mergence. I may express to you, within your individual physical body consciousnesses you shall experience an energy entirely unfamiliar to what you know objectively, for your physical body consciousness shall alter temporarily, and you shall be experiencing a new expression of yourself.

NATASHA: I want to experience that!

INNA: Can we fly?

ELIAS: You can. (Chuckles) It is merely the strength of your belief in gravity that prevents you.

NATASHA: And we cannot change that belief.

ELIAS: But it is not necessary to change the belief. It is merely the question of recognizing the different influences of each belief. Every belief incorporates many different influences, and therein is where your freedom lies. For what you struggle against in attempting to change beliefs is the automatic responses; that is what generates your limitation.

But once you begin to recognize what the different influences of your beliefs are, this allows you to choose which influences you prefer. You may continue to express the belief in gravity and also incorporate the influence that it holds you to the ground in some moments for that is your preference, to be offering you a solid mobility. But you may also incorporate another influence of that same belief, that within certain situations gravity, or the strength of it, is unnecessary.

INNA: But how do you choose? I don’t know how to choose!

ELIAS: You choose by being aware, by being aware of your belief, allowing yourself to identify a belief, recognizing whether that belief is incorporated as a truth or not. If it is incorporated as a truth, I may express to you, contrary to what you think, identifying truths and addressing to truths is easier than you realize. As you do that, you automatically generate a natural by-product of accepting other beliefs that are not truths. Those beliefs that you have generated into truths are those that you view as absolutes, such as gravity. That is an absolute. It is unquestioned, and therefore, you express automatic responses in relation to it continuously.

Now; as you recognize that as being a truth, you may express to yourself, “Ah, but it is not true. It may be one of my truths, but it is not true.” In this, as you acknowledge that truth rather than force against it, you acknowledge that any of your truths that you incorporate are also associated with some type of preference that you incorporate. Therefore, the key is to evaluate that truth and what are its influences. How does that truth influence your perception, and what other influences does that same truth incorporate? Once you allow yourself to begin to identify the different influences, that is the point that allows you to choose.

NATASHA: How does acknowledgment happen? I mean, I can tell myself all the same things that you just told us. I can tell it to myself and still nothing will happen. What should happen inside me? How does acknowledgment happen? I may identify the belief that we have gravity, we have weight, and that we cannot fly. Intellectually, I understand it is a truth for me but it is not true. But that is not enough for me to start flying. How does acknowledgment happen?

ELIAS: Acknowledging is recognizing, first of all, that this is YOUR guideline, and it is not necessarily applicable to any other expression of consciousness. It is what you have chosen as your guideline for your expressions and your behavior within your focus. Secondly, it is not bad, and there are aspects of this truth that are beneficial to you and that you appreciate.

You appreciate walking and placing your feet upon the ground, and you appreciate that your table sits upon the ground and is not continuously flying around your room and colliding with your head. (Laughter) You appreciate that your books upon your shelves remain upon your shelves. Therefore, there are elements of this belief of gravity that you prefer and that you view to be beneficial. In acknowledging that there are elements of this belief, there are expressions of this belief that you appreciate, you acknowledge it. That changes your energy, for now you are no longer forcing against the belief.

Now; once you are no longer forcing against the belief, you allow yourself to offer yourself evidences of other influences that are also associated with gravity or the defying of it. I may express to you that your aircrafts are also quite large and heavy, and they fly.

NATASHA: Well, for us there is a logical explanation for their flying!

ELIAS: I am understanding, but that is merely another method. That is a method. You incorporate methods for many, many, many actions that you generate within your physical reality. That is merely another method.

DANIIL: In other words, you don’t have to simply start levitating. If you levitate after (inaudible) or buying some machine, that is good enough. So the presence of a method does not negate the fact that the action is accomplished.

ELIAS: Correct! It does not negate that the action is accomplished. In this, you present to yourselves within your physical reality many expressions that defy what you term to be logic. Therefore, it matters not. All of these physical manifestations or examples that you may offer to yourselves are merely different methods of accomplishing certain actions, and in this, it matters not what your method is.

Have you not within your focuses incorporated an awareness of a game that is expressed within your physical reality in which an individual may place themselves upon their floor and two or three other individuals may lift the individual with their fingers?

NATASHA: Yes, in my childhood. I remember that.

ELIAS: This is a childhood game, and accomplishes. What do you perceive creates that action? All of the individuals?

NATASHA: Action in terms of physical laws. I can still explain this.

ELIAS: That is not what generates the action.

NATASHA: I mean I can find a logical explanation.

ELIAS: I am aware that you can offer yourself a logical explanation, but in actuality, what is occurring in merely your fingertips lifting an individual? No, the individuals with their fingers are not lifting the other individual. The individual that is placed upon the floor is levitating themself through their energy.

NATASHA: But they may not be objectively aware of it.

ELIAS: They may be or they may not be. But the strength of their will generates a strength in energy which they are aware of, and the strength of that will projected outwardly projects a strength in energy which defies your laws of gravity and levitates the individual.

The other individuals are participating merely by offering supportive energy. That is the symbolization in the fingers, supportiveness, but it is the individual themself that is generating the actual movement off of your ground. Some individuals have allowed themselves to generate that action without supportiveness, and individually create that action of levitation. It is not unheard of.

NATASHA: Is that what I created in my sleep, when I had a dream that I’m levitating and I was actually in this room and I felt that I am leaping off, flying?

ELIAS: That is a projection. That was not a dream, that was a projection.

NATASHA: And I was encouraged by Mary and Lynda, I remember this. I could levitate! So that was a projection?

ELIAS: Yes.

INNA: Is that related to sometimes I feel dizzy? A couple of times I wake up and the room is moving. All the walls are moving.

ELIAS: That is an experience that is what you may term to be an evidence of widening your awareness, moving more into shifting, for what you are experiencing is momentarily a clearer perception of your reality as what it is, as not as solid as you actually perceive it to be. For regardless of how you view any manifestation within your reality — walls, floors, tables — you view these objects to be solid. In actuality, they are continuously in motion, for they are all comprised of consciousness. Therefore, there is a continuous movement that is occurring.

You do not see that movement with your sense of vision, generally speaking, but as you begin to genuinely widen your awareness and you begin shifting more, you also begin to view your reality more clearly as it is, which is not as solid as you have perceived it to be previously.

INNA: I was scared.

ELIAS: It shall not be harmful to you, and you are not experiencing lunacy. It is merely a momentary experience.

If you allow yourself to relax in these moments in which you generate these types of experiences and are not necessarily incorporating fear, you may even perhaps express somewhat of a boldness and may even allow yourself to experiment in movement. In those moments in which your walls appear to be moving, you can actually put your finger into that movement and it shall penetrate your wall. (Laughter)

DANIIL: But don’t forget to put your wall back where it was! (Laughter)

NATASHA: When you were talking about it, I had an image of a hologram. It’s like a hologram?

ELIAS: Yes. That is what your physical reality is.

DANIIL: That reminds me of a person I knew, who has disengaged already, but he was termed to be an exorcist and he wrote a couple of books. He told my friend that one time he actually put his hand through the wall. At that point he got scared, and he was pushed back.

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: So you can actually walk through walls?

INNA: I don’t know yet!

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is the reason that I expressed the example of the finger.

DANIIL: So what happens at the moment of fear? Fear somehow pushes us back to our original perception.

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: It’s the familiar.

ELIAS: Yes, and that generates the perception of safety.

DANIIL: If I was to do some experimentation like that and I would anticipate the fear, for example, I would trust myself to put my finger through the wall but I know I will probably get scared. What can I do to ease that ahead of time, to ease the fear?

ELIAS: To recognize that regardless of what you do in that situation, you shall not be harmful to yourself. The wall shall not reappear in solidity with your finger stuck within in. The wall shall reconfigure, and your finger shall not be in the wall. Therefore, you shall not be harmful to yourself. No damage shall occur to you, and you shall not be harmful to yourself.

DANIIL: Now, why is that? Why is there no chance that my finger will get stuck in the wall? Because I shall not be harmful to myself, is that why?

ELIAS: Yes, and also in association with the strength of your beliefs.

Now; this is also an interesting point in association with not forcing energy against beliefs or viewing them as bad. For many of your beliefs generate a comfort for you, and automatically, in a manner of speaking, protect you. For in the strength of your beliefs, what shall occur if you generate the fear is that you shall automatically begin to express your belief that the wall is solid and you have not engaged your finger in the first place. Therefore, you cannot put your finger in the wall, and therefore, you alter the reality immediately.

Now; if you are engaging this action in playfulness, if you are amusing yourself rather than attempting to generate an action that potentially incorporates fear but engaging in playful action and experimentation in amusement with yourself, you may not necessarily recreate the solidity of the wall and (may) allow yourself to penetrate the wall as though it were water, and continue to create a perception of somewhat of a solidity but also recognizing the motion. Therefore, you may penetrate the water rather than the wall.

DANIIL: So our imagination would be one of the driving factors.

ELIAS: Imagination is a wonderful avenue of communication, for it is creative, it is inspiring, it is motivating, and it is also quite real.

INNA: One more question. We all feel focuses in other dimensions.

ELIAS: Yes.

DANIIL: Shared focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: Does she also have a focus as a whale, Inna?

INNA: Not as a whale, I was thinking of a mermaid, something like a mermaid.

ELIAS: That would be an other-dimensional focus. Yes, that would be a translation, how you translate it within what you know in this physical reality, but it is a similar type of manifestation.

INNA: So we’re all in that kind of dimension?

ELIAS: Yes, and in many others also.

NATASHA: I had an impression that Dan had 644 focuses. Was my impression correct?

ELIAS: In this physical dimension?

NATASHA: Yes, this.

ELIAS: Slightly more — 696.

DANIIL: You were close. I don’t even know what to do with this number!

NATASHA: That’s why he didn’t ask you. But for some reason I just wanted to know. So I guess we should be ending.

ELIAS: Very well.

DANIIL: Does Natasha have a focus as Louis Armstrong?

ELIAS: No; counterpart.

NATASHA: I told you I didn’t feel anything! (Laughter)

ELIAS: (Humorously) She told you!

DANIIL: But she does have a focus as black a trumpet player somewhere?

ELIAS: Earlier, yes.

NATASHA: Do we know another trumpet player? Objectively, do we know a name?

DANIIL: Is there a reference?

ELIAS: Perhaps an obscure.

INNA: Once on a trip to Alaska, we were on a ship, and we saw a whale. The whale was communicating, saying hello, and somehow I... Is it somehow related? It was a conscious hello to me, is it?

ELIAS: (Nods in agreement) Once again, I may express to you there are more amazing expressions within your physical reality than you realize. (Chuckles)

NATASHA: So it wasn’t my whale, was it? (Elias nods in agreement) So it was? It’s living right now?

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: What about the dreams I was having, when I was diving and the water wasn’t clear and I saw a cloud of krill around me, shrimp? In this dream, there were my past friends from Ukraine and then we went into the water. I wasn’t that pleased with the water, because the water was crowded with krill. I felt the krill on my face, and I thought it wasn’t very nice to swim in this water, I need clearer water. Was it like bleed-through from this...?

ELIAS: Yes.

NATASHA: Well, we should thank you.

ELIAS: Very well, my friends. As always, tremendous affection to each of you, and we shall continue. (Chuckles) To you each, in fondness and friendship, au revoir.

ALL: Au revoir.

Elias departs after 55 minutes.

(1) See for a look at the other focus database.

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