Sunday, May 23, 2004 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Georgia (Jacob)

(Elias’ arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

GEORGIA: Good morning! It’s good to hear from you again.

ELIAS: And you also!

GEORGIA: Thank you. My life is changing; I think everybody’s is right now and things are improving. I’m having more fun, trying hard to do that — not hard, I’m just paying more attention to things I desire rather than things I should do, right? (Elias laughs) The “shoulds” are slowly fading away.

One of the things I wanted to talk about was a dream I had. I dreamed that my children, my daughter and her family, moved into a new house and I was there. I don’t remember much about this dream except that I knew I was dreaming, and I told myself to wake up. I woke up, and I said, “Oh, I’m dreaming now, I should wake up.” I mean, I was awake, but I said, “Well, life is a dream; I should wake up. Wake up!” My body started feeling really weird, and I said, “Okay, go back to sleep!” because it scared me, right? I was wondering what happened.

ELIAS: And your impression?

GEORGIA: My impression was I felt like I was dying, I’ll be honest with you, which was frightening. It was like my body was turning off, as if all the impressions of being physical were going away. I found it frightening because it was happening so quickly, so I said, “Let’s stop this — go back to sleep.” I was wondering what was happening. Was my mind actually moving away from this reality or what?

ELIAS: I may express to you, your impression is correct, and in that, you have allowed yourself an experience to view and to incorporate an objective realization that death is a choice, and that it is what you may term to be a very simple and easy choice. But continuing is also a choice, and that is equally as easy. It is an experience that you offer to yourself to allow you to recognize, first of all, the significance of choice, the power of choices, and that the choice to be incorporating death is merely a movement into a different type of reality.

Although in the moment it may be somewhat frightening, it was a purposeful experience to allow you to realize that the choice to be incorporating the action of death is merely a choice and another movement. In recognizing that, and in association with the experience which moves the concept into reality rather than an intellectual concept, you may subsequently allow yourself less apprehension or fear concerning that subject of death.

GEORGIA: Yes, I didn’t look at it quite that way. It was just like that was what I was doing. I thought that might be what I was doing; I wasn’t sure — not that I was giving myself that experience for that reason, but that I was in the process of dying, right? I had chosen it for that second and then turned around and came back. But what I want to ask now is, because this puts this into my head, in any situation where you make that choice, is this like an objective choice?

ELIAS: Yes.

GEORGIA: Every time it happens, it doesn’t matter the circumstances, you make that objective choice.

ELIAS: Yes.

GEORGIA: Awesome, awesome! That’s cool! (Elias laughs) That’s an objective choice — that’s something I’ve always wondered, is it something you choose that clearly.

ELIAS: Yes, it is. In the moment of the choice, there is a complete awareness of engaging that choice, and you know whether you shall engage that choice or not.

In that moment, what occurs is a type of movement that the individual engages in which the choice becomes neutral. In the moment, there is no actual pull in either direction, but there is a strong awareness that this is the choice that you are considering engaging. You know that if you engage this choice you shall be moving into a different reality and you shall be choosing death. But death or what you term to be life in that moment appear to be equal and neutral, therefore the ease in generating the choice and the effortlessness in generating the choice to move in either direction, for what influences the choice is merely a curiosity.

GEORGIA: Wow, that’s cool. Living right now, knowing what’s going on, and being 59 years old, I have this objective belief, very strong, that I’m not going to live to be there in 2075. I tell myself and this is true — of course, I have other things getting in my way for actually really believing that I can create this right now — I don’t have to wait till 2075. I’m working on that, and so I tell myself I don’t want to die yet. I want to see this whole world change right now, so that I can see it happen. I want to live to 2075 because that’s what’s in my mind, that I have to wait for that time to see it happen. I’ve been trying to tell myself that no, I don’t, I can create it now. But that’s very hard for me to see, because I’ve got that 2075 date stuck in my mind. (Elias laughs)

I’ve been telling myself that death is a choice, and time is a choice also. But at the same time, I have the little mind blocks in my head that I put there. I don’t understand why, objectively, that they’re there, but they’re there. So that’s a chance for me to explore that concept. It points that concept out to me, that this choice is so free I can create for myself 2075 right now.

ELIAS: Yes, you may.

GEORGIA: It’s widening my perception of what choice is and how it works. I am so used to thinking of the mind as being three compartments instead of really one working together, and that objectively I know everything when to myself I say no, I don’t. But it’s beginning to work with that concept that I am a whole one rather than three separate things, and so I can do this kind of thing. It’s things that have been moving around inside me that I find hard to articulate.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

GEORGIA: Yes, and so life is, right now, pretty confusing. There’s all this stuff that I’m paying attention to and looking at, saying, “I’m choosing to participate in world events right now,” which I find very confusing and I find disheartening, in a way. Yet, I realize they’re there and they’re happening because people who choose to participate are. At least for myself, I think this is what I’m doing; I can’t say for everybody else. So I’m choosing to look at my beliefs irrespective of what’s going on in that arena, finding out how I feel about everything and beginning to accept that people do participate because of their strong beliefs, and their strong beliefs are controlling their behaviors.

ELIAS: Correct. Their strong...

GEORGIA: I mean, they’re letting them control their behaviors. They’re creating that because of their strong beliefs.

ELIAS: Which they have generated...

GEORGIA: I mean, every side of this conflict is right! I think Bush really believes what he’s talking about, so does Osama Bin Laden, so does Saddam Hussein, and so does the little man on the street or the little lady, and everywhere. It’s like, why can’t we just... I say, “Yeah, you’re all right! When you stand in your spot, you’re right.” But does that mean you can’t accept the right to somebody else to stand in their spot? That’s where my belief comes in. I’m finding it hard to see all the stuff going on because of people’s strong beliefs, and I think that’s why I’m still involved in it. I don’t know — I can’t understand why I find it so fascinating.

ELIAS: For you are addressing to your own truths.

GEORGIA: Exactly! Now, my own truths, they’re truths, but I know they’re just truths in this reality and just for me.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and I acknowledge that you incorporate an understanding of this, but...

GEORGIA: I’m finding it hard to accept what they’re doing.

ELIAS: A large portion of your understanding is an intellectual understanding, not an experiential understanding.

GEORGIA: That’s true, I can see that. That’s why I’m finding this confusing, I think.

ELIAS: And this is the reason that you continue to be participating in this arena, as you have termed it to be, for that is reflecting your own challenge within yourself, recognizing your own truths but allowing yourself to EXPERIENCE that recognition and to experience your own triggers that generate a threat within yourself in relation to difference.

For you may express to yourself or to other individuals that you do not understand why all of these individuals en masse cannot merely accept that their perception, their beliefs and their truths are correct within themselves but are not necessarily applicable to other individuals or other groups en masse. But within yourself, you are generating the same action and therefore...

GEORGIA: Yes, I know I’m doing that, and I don’t know how to... I am, I realize I’m doing that.

ELIAS: The manner in which you move yourself into acceptance is to examine your own truths, genuinely recognize that they are not true but that they are your individual guidelines as to your preferences. There may be many, many, many other individuals within your reality that are in agreement with similar preferences and similar expressed beliefs and guidelines as their expressed truths that they align with, but that is not an absolute. Once recognizing genuinely that your own truths are not an absolute, you may begin to recognize that other individuals’ truths that may be different are also not absolute.

The reason this becomes confusing and the reason that this is so challenging to be generating that acceptance is that there is a general perception and belief that there must be one direction that is true. Therefore, if there is one direction that is true, there is a doubt which is expressed within most of you, that as you present differences to yourself the reason you protect your truth and defend your truth and attempt to be convincing of other individuals that your truth is right is that if the other individual’s truth is the real truth, you shall be invalidated.

But this is the challenge, for there is no real truth. There is no one singular truth within your reality. Your truths are those beliefs that you have set into absolutes.

GEORGIA: Yes. Like you said, I get that intellectually, but when it comes to internally and really, really accepting it, I’m just doing it intellectually still. I haven’t gotten to the rock bottom of myself and accepted that completely. I know that. I know because I see myself doing exactly what you said, defending my individual truth: I’m right; those guys there are not getting it right; they’re making mistakes; they’re screwing off and making mistakes.

Intellectually, I see that that’s their truth, and I’m telling myself I have to accept that’s their truth. Not that I have to, but that I should try to because that’s what I’m working on right now, in learning to be accepting. That’s where I desire to be right now, to accept myself and to accept others, and I haven’t gotten there yet.

ELIAS: But...

GEORGIA: I realize that there are things I’m working on because I think that’s important. That’s one of my beliefs there, to accept people, and I’m not quite there yet.

ELIAS: But there is a pre...

GEORGIA: I realize I have very strong beliefs. My beliefs are like cemented and locked behind caged doors. (Elias chuckles) Then, when I think of it as a dream, where the walls broke down and I was out in that beautiful forest-jungle mix and I saw the beauty and the freedom of it, that’s where I want to be and that’s what I’m trying to get myself into.

ELIAS: But the prerequisite to acceptance of other individuals’ truths and differences is to be genuinely recognizing and accepting your own truths.

GEORGIA: I see my beliefs are very, very strong, and I know that the thing is not to discard my beliefs. Most of my beliefs, the ones I’m conscious of objectively, are beliefs I really like. But then there’s sides of me that scare me. You know, humanity is just like everything else in this reality. It’s not just white or black. We’re every shade of being that we can possibly be. Inside me, like you said, every belief that exists is there.

I look at that and I have so many conflicting beliefs it’s very hard to get down to the nitty-gritty. I have the belief that one should accept everybody else, but at the same time I think I’ve got the best belief there is. As someone said in the book “Conversations with God,” there is no wrong belief, just like you said. I find it so hard to say how can there not be good and evil, and I know that there isn’t, but it’s so hard when you’re living here in this reality to dismiss things as not being evil or not being good. We’re so used to looking at it as opposites.

ELIAS: My friend...

GEORGIA: And you want to get rid of the bad stuff; you want to be good all the time. The thing is, if you want to be yourself, what I want to be is me. At the same time, I don’t know who I am, and that’s what you’re telling me, I have to really look at who am I.

ELIAS: Correct. And also remember, duplicity is a belief system also. It is not being eliminated any more than any other belief system. Therefore, within your reality you shall continue to generate evaluations and assessments, which form your opinion and your preferences or identify your preferences, and you shall continue to express in association with that what you perceive to be good or bad or right or wrong. But those are your guidelines for YOU and how you choose to express yourself, how you choose to explore and how you choose to express your behavior.

GEORGIA: The way I am putting it to myself is that in this reality we have duplicity, we have opposites, we have gradients, we have a multi-dimensional reality. It’s like you said, we have the most... How did you said it? I don’t want to use the word complex.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: Complex reality. So we have all of this stuff going on and it makes it both more fun and more confusing. (Laughs) But okay, thanks for that. See, that’s what’s getting me, and I think that’s what’s getting some other people too, is that beliefs are part of this reality and we’re always going to have them.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: The thing is to accept all of this stuff, and at the same time to realize that they are only a part of this reality, an... I want to use the word “illusion,” but while you’re here it’s not an illusion...

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: ...but they are only real here.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: Perhaps as I’m thinking about this, I look at my beliefs and look at my conflicts with the way I am. When I say “conflicts,” I don’t necessarily mean I’m having arguments with myself; I just mean that between my beliefs and the way I see the world, it changes constantly. I don’t need to be frightened by it; I just need to look at it and say, “Hey, that’s just me.” It’s just me there, as I’m so much more than just an individual — who is still everything, but right now I’m looking at myself as a small thing, when I’m really not. Not to be frightened by it, not to be frightened by what I am creating, to just accept it and enjoy it. But like I say, I’m having a hard time feeling what I’m trying to say.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

GEORGIA: And at the same time, I’m still doing this. I’m not consciously doing this all the time, but when I am participating in the arena, as we’re putting it, I can see where I’m having a hard time doing this, to look at it and examine myself.

I’m beginning to see my preferences. I’m beginning to realize what I don’t want to look at, what I don’t want to experience. I’m realizing that I’m only looking at my preferences 99 percent of the time. I’ll flip the channel if they’re talking about something I don’t want to hear instead of sitting there and listening to it so that I can really examine what’s going on more. I’m tending, and I think that’s what most people do, to listen to the things that are reflecting my beliefs, not trying to look at my preferences and not actually looking at the things I don’t want to face. That’s what I’m finding myself doing.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but recognize also that although you are somewhat participating by allowing yourself to be incorporating this information and other individuals’ experiences within your perception, and you are incorporating that information as a motivation to be examining your own preferences, your own beliefs, your own truths, how you want to be directing of yourself and what you want to be creating in your individual reality, in this you are not physically participating in these conflicts. You present them to yourself to be a reflection, to allow you to examine your own conflicts with your own beliefs. But you are not actually creating the physical conflicts in your environment, in your individual reality, are you?

GEORGIA: That’s true — I’ll use that word! (Elias chuckles) No, I’m not. I’m not doing that.

ELIAS: Which, if you allow yourself to pay attention to what YOU are creating within your individual reality, you may begin to appreciate your own creations. This also allows you to view what type of energy you are expressing and projecting more clearly. For if you are generating actions within your individual reality that are reflective of the types of conflicts that you view in the information that you present to yourself concerning your world, you may recognize that you are offering energy to the continuance of these types of conflicts for you are generating them also. Whatever you express ripples out within consciousness and is affecting of all other expressions of consciousness, whether you physically view it or not.

If you are presenting this type of information to yourself and examining what you are actually doing within your reality individually and you recognize that you are expressing a different type of energy, you may reinforce or validate yourself, and appreciate yourself that you are allowing yourself to express within your guidelines of your truths, but they are not necessarily lending energy to the mass expressions in conflict. But how shall you recognize any of these expressions if you are not paying attention to yourself?

GEORGIA: Exactly, exactly. When I’m looking at that, I’m trying to look at myself, my reactions to what I’m seeing. And to be honest with you, I don’t know whether or not I am contributing to the conflict or not.

ELIAS: The manner in which you assess what type of energy you are projecting is by paying attention to what you are actually doing, what you are doing within your individual reality. Are you incorporating actions that are expressions of protection? Are you doing protective behaviors? Are...

GEORGIA: I think I’m beginning to understand a little bit. It’s like I’m just living my life. The way I see it, I’m living my life and in my little world there is a conflict going on. It’s not with me, it’s between two people I know, or three people I should say. What I try to do is if one of them says something about the other person, I used to try to say something nice about the other person, but now I think I’m beginning to just not say anything positive or negative about what’s going on. At least that’s what I think I’m doing. Perhaps in not doing either, I’m beginning to be neutral about the little thing in my world, right?

ELIAS: I am understanding.

GEORGIA: I think that’s what I’m doing; I can see that I have no part of that one. As I look at the wider conflict, the thing I’m seeing is I still have some small stake in what’s going on there, because I have perceptions about what I think my country should be or how my country should act. I am not neutral there, and I realize that and...

ELIAS: Now STOP.

GEORGIA: ...my stake is I think I’m projecting. I could be wrong, but people should be allowed to be themselves, you know, to be who they are. But because I’m doing that so strongly, I probably am contributing...

ELIAS: Now stop one moment.

Now; let us examine one statement and direction that you have expressed, that you think your country should be a certain way.

GEORGIA: Yes, that’s a very strong belief I have.

ELIAS: Now; if your country is not that way, in your terms what shall occur in your reality? How shall your reality be different?

GEORGIA: It just hurts my feelings. (Laughs)

ELIAS: For it has...

GEORGIA: What it does is it hurts my concept of... I feel that my country is a reflection of myself, so I feel that I am harmed by that behavior. That’s how I feel. If my country isn’t the way I want it to be, then that is a reflection on me. I realize that, and I find it threatening; I find it scary.

ELIAS: For it has devalued your ideal.

GEORGIA: Yes, it hurts a lot.

ELIAS: In this, how shall YOU create your country?

GEORGIA: I feel like... That’s what I find very... I don’t understand it.

ELIAS: But it is a matter of attention, and it is a matter of perception. Therefore, it is a matter of paying attention to yourself, allowing yourself to create what you want and to create the type of environment that you want.

GEORGIA: In my little small part of the world, I’m doing that.

ELIAS: Yes, and noticing...

GEORGIA: In my little small part of the world, I think I am doing that...

ELIAS: Yes.

GEORGIA: ...so that makes me feel better. I mean, it makes me feel perhaps that I’m not so much contributing to the conflict as I thought I was.

ELIAS: And in that, notice what you concentrate upon, not merely in thought. But you may be acknowledging yourself in recognizing that your concentration is expressed in your beliefs and in the influences of your beliefs.

GEORGIA: And actions.

ELIAS: Yes, and that is evidenced in action, in what you actually create, what you actually do.

GEORGIA: Thank you. That’s a validation there. I feel that what I’m doing is more contributing to what I want to create than what is actually going on in the arena.

ELIAS: Correct.

GEORGIA: So I’m good! Thank you. (Elias chuckles)

Today’s my grandson’s birthday. He’s going to have a birthday party today, and I’m looking forward to that. It’s going to be a wonderful day, a perfect day to call you.

ELIAS: And you may offer yourself an experience of appreciation, which also ripples outwardly.

GEORGIA: Yes. My life has been changing. I think my life is going in the direction I want it to go, that I desire, and I can see myself beginning to create what I want, slowly. I know intellectually that I could do it instantly, but like I say, I have these stumbling blocks inside that I’m doing it slowly. I think perhaps I’m a little frightened to do it quickly. I think it would scare me.

ELIAS: And this offers you the opportunity...

GEORGIA: It’s my way of saying if I can do it a little bit, I can show myself that I can actually do it. Is this what I’m doing?

ELIAS: Correct, and this offers you an avenue in which you shall not overwhelm yourself.

GEORGIA: Yes, I think that’s exactly what I’m doing, doing it slowly and showing myself it can happen, and it is happening.

ELIAS: Movement in increments is not bad. (Chuckles)

GEORGIA: I can see it when I look at myself, that life is much better. There are little things that are happening that I notice are not really affecting me, except peripherally. I’m aware of them, but they’re not hurting me. They’re not bothering me; that’s what I want to say.

ELIAS: This is also significant, my friend, to be aware and to be genuinely noticing that there may be actions that are occurring around you that are generated by other individuals or expressions or behaviors, or as we have been discussing, differences, but it is significant that you allow yourself to be aware and notice what YOU are actually doing and to allow yourself to recognize in noticing differences, “Very well, I view that another individual is moving in this direction but I am not,” and comfort yourself and acknowledge yourself in your choices, that another individual may generate choices that you do not agree with or that you do not like, but what is significant is that it matters not, for YOU are not doing those choices. Therefore, you are holding within your reality to your guidelines, those that YOU choose, and that offers you an avenue in which you may appreciate YOU.

GEORGIA: That helps a lot, because most of us are still learning how to look at ourselves and pay attention to ourselves, and I’m at least beginning to open the door.

The time is almost up; I only have a few more minutes. If there’s anything you want to share with all of us, I would like you to take that time. If not, then I would say goodbye to give Mary a chance to meet with her plumber and have a couple of minutes rest or whatever.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my dear friend, an encouragement. First of all, you have expressed that you view this reality to be a type of illusion, that it is quite real in this reality but that it is relevant merely to this reality, and that is somewhat accurate.

Let me express to you, remember, you have chosen to participate and to be physically manifest, and the reason you have chosen is to explore creations within a physical manifestation, a physical reality. It is a game. It is a game of choices, a game of experiences. You are not choosing to be manifest within this physical reality to create utopia. You are choosing to participate in this physical reality to explore myriads of experiences, to explore a physical existence, a physical manifestation, and to explore many different types of communications in a physical manner. And in that game, your prize is to discover the appreciation.

GEORGIA: Awesome! That’s a wonderful way to put it. I think that these computer games are one way that other people are beginning to realize this. Intellectually again, I know it’s a game, but I want to create utopia. (Elias laughs) But at the same time, I know it’s a game, and the fun of the game is the experience and the conflict...

ELIAS: And the PLAYING of the game.

GEORGIA: ...and all the different things that you go through. I’m sitting here in El Paso, Texas, experiencing a life, my whole life, most of it very mundane if we look at what’s going on in the world. I’ve enjoyed most of it. I mean, there’s been times when I’ve been really down and very unhappy, but most of the time I’ve been having fun. At the same time, I love to read novels, and in those stories I’ve experienced monsters and demons and evil and murder and chaos, and it’s fun; the whole thing’s fun and I realize that that’s what this life is. (Elias chuckles)

If we had no conflict, we wouldn’t want to be here. That would take some of the fun away, because one of the ways you look at yourself is you face the conflict and realize where you’re coming from and who you are, where you’re going to stand and what you’re going to do. The conflicts might be tiny, like an orange or an apple, or they might be humongous — am I going to participate in a war physically or sit back and live in a time of peace? Those conflicts — and when I say “conflict,” I don’t necessarily mean a war, I just mean choices...

ELIAS: I am understanding.

GEORGIA: ...and so you create it, and the hard thing is to remember when you get in the middle of it that it is okay. (Elias laughs)

Listen, I want to express my love, and I want to say goodbye, and I want to say thank you for spending the morning with me.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

GEORGIA: You have given me a lot of things to think about.

ELIAS: In this day, celebrate with your grandson and generate your appreciation in this day.

GEORGIA: Thank you.

ELIAS: I anticipate our next meeting, and I shall be offering my energy to you in supportiveness. In great affection, my friend, au revoir.

GEORGIA: Au revoir.

Elias departs after 55 minutes.

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