Monday, October 6, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Seale (Seale)

Elias arrives at 7:09 AM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

SEALE: Good morning! This is a very good morning. (Elias laughs) I think I’m doing more of making my concepts into reality, experience.

ELIAS: Ah!

SEALE: It is fun, so thank you very, very much for lending me energy to accomplish, because I can see I am.

ELIAS: And you are quite welcome!

SEALE: I’ve been pooling energy, so I have questions just to validate, I guess, or to make sure that Ariel and I are on the right track so we can continue with more abandon, I guess, or more trust in ourselves.

ELIAS: Very well.

SEALE: We were artists together?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: We have many focuses together?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: We have a mermaid focus with Vic and we have a dolphin focus together?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Oh cool! I felt like I painted Ariel and that she meant a lot to me, like a lover or somebody really, really deeply emotionally involved.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

SEALE: In terms of the paint that I used, like pastels or acrylics, like bright, bold colors, or the pastels are watercolors?

ELIAS: All.

SEALE: Oh cool! Now, that sounds good. Ariel, Bella and I have been together before also?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: She had a dream where she saw me or a vision. I was a painter in a wooden structure with big windows and very bright light, lots of light.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: In the future focus, she thought she was a student of art of my future focus who teaches painting, and Ariel is there as an OE.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Oh, I told her we were right about all this stuff! (Elias laughs) You confirmed to us that we did not need the ouija board when we met together at Ken’s?

ELIAS: Are you inquiring of a validation of my direct interactions through that focal point?

SEALE: Yes.

ELIAS: No. I may express to you that my energy was present, but I do not participate in communication through that medium.

SEALE: I recognized your energy was there. So that was us seeing that we were past that, that we didn’t need that tool?

ELIAS: Correct.

SEALE: And Vic was there?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: But Steve? I don’t know that energy, so was Steve there too? (Pause)

ELIAS: Incorporated in a brief time, yes.

SEALE: I felt this big surge of energy — was that Vic?

ELIAS: A combination of the collective energies present.

SEALE: Quite a little jolt! Then when I brought basil, I interpreted that as we were healers, Ariel and I.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: And she was a gypsy?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Or actually both of us were gypsies?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

SEALE: That just came to me. When we were walking out the door together I just... We were lesbians together?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Oh, my goodness. Now these are some things that I’ve been working with myself... Oh wait — first let’s see. She had a black and white dream and there were two girls with wavy blonde hair, same length of hair, and we were in pinafores and ruffled pantaloons, pulling taffy, turn of the century. So we were twins, is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Then we were witches together?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Now, Bridgy’s there, too?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Then she said that we were together as four of us, and that Ariel called in the air, communication; Bridgy called in fire; I called in water, emotions and creatures of the seas; and the fourth person called in the earth. She wanted that validated, if she had that all correct,

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: She wanted me to ask to see if you could give us a hint as to who the fourth person was.

ELIAS: Ha ha! I shall encourage all of you to be pooling your energies and...

SEALE: Figuring it out ourselves.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: (Laughs) Well, could you give one clue, like male?

ELIAS: Another female.

SEALE: All right, thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

SEALE: Then I have a couple questions about me. I watched that “The Gorilla in the Mist” — the Fossey lady. I don’t know how you pronounce that, but that really struck home to me. So do I have a connection? I mean, I know I have a connection with her. Is that like a focus or OE? I can’t tell the difference between those yet.

ELIAS: Observing essence.

SEALE: Oh, that’s great. Then about observing essence of Emanuel Swedenborg?

ELIAS: Correct.

SEALE: Oh, I got it! Then what about the focus of Jesus?

ELIAS: What is your question?

SEALE: Well, do I have a focus?

ELIAS: As that individual or within that time framework?

SEALE: As that individual.

ELIAS: No.

SEALE: Okay, then in that time framework?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Oh great. That’s not very helpful! Okay, then the focus of Gordon Henschel? I’m just asking because they felt so familiar, both he and his wife.

ELIAS: The wife as observing essence.

SEALE: Oh, that’s why. Cool, no wonder I liked her. What about the focus of Helen Keller?

ELIAS: No, but you do incorporate a focus in that time framework which expresses a strong admiration and did meet that individual.

SEALE: See, that’s what’s so hard. I know when I’m connected, but I haven’t figured out how I’m connected yet. But I guess that will come with practice.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Is Bridgy focus of John the Baptist?

ELIAS: No.

SEALE: Now, when you were saying about the Wizard of Oz, you weren’t teasing me about not being Dorothy then, right? Because I thought maybe you said that, I mean when you said about having fun, because you were kidding me.

ELIAS: I at times incorporate that expression that you term to be teasing, but not in a manner in which to confuse you or to express in a manner that is deceiving.

SEALE: The reason I ask you that, too, because Ariel got that too, that I’m Dorothy. Oh great, now we’re both in the same boat! (Elias chuckles) But I’m trying to figure out why both of us would get that, unless she was picking up off of my thinking. I shouldn’t create her reality, so there’s something there why both of us got that, yes?

ELIAS: You are connecting with each other’s energy and creating an empathic experience.

SEALE: So in other words, I have to still research that part. (Elias laughs) Well, I didn’t do too much because I just feel strongly that I am. Is Ken the tin man in the Wizard of Oz?

ELIAS: No.

SEALE: I can’t remember what I thought he was originally. I thought it was tin man. Maybe it’s lion. (Elias chuckles) Are you going to... What about lion?

ELIAS: No.

SEALE: Oh well, then, forget it! (Elias laughs) I don’t want to be guessing. I’m not good at guessing.

Ariel wanted to know if you could give us any hints. We’re not good at time frames, although she’s better than I am. Bridgy’s really good at getting things in what period. So is there a hint that you could give us to look at some other focus that we have together, like Bridgy, Ariel and me?

ELIAS: You incorporate a few. Therefore, my suggestion is that you connect with each other and create your mosaic, so to speak, each contributing your own pieces to the puzzle, and this shall offer you the picture.

SEALE: That’s what I thought. Okay cool! Oh, this is so exciting!

I forgot to ask you about the scratching thing. I know it’s for me to be noticing but I don’t know why I can’t have it be gone. I must be noticing that I’m noticing, but I don’t have the message then, I guess, because it’s still scratchy. It’s getting worse, so that means it’s getting more intense. Can you help me with that part?

ELIAS: And what is your impression? What are you noticing?

SEALE: Intense. Itching to go, that’s what I think. Itching to go to Costa Rica.

ELIAS: And in this, what other expression may you associate with this action that you are not expressing? You are correct in your interpretation of your impression.

SEALE: You mean the frustration I feel about not being able to create my wanting to do it? That it’s taking longer than I really want? My impatience?

ELIAS: Yes! That is the message.

SEALE: Okay, so non-acceptance that it’s just taking longer than what I hoped.

ELIAS: And expressing an impatience, which is not expressing the allowance.

SEALE: Thank you! And do you know what? That’s the other thing. I don’t have that on my list. I finished all my list questions. Thank you very much, so now I can just take what comes. And what came just now was reading the machines. I want to make sure I’m not confused or I’m clearly understanding what I’m doing with that. It’s like really fun. That one day it was so easy. Just go in there, go to each machine and it wins.

Now, how come sometimes I can just do that with no problem and then other times no? I can feel that it doesn’t feel right but I can’t put a finger on why, what’s blocking that.

ELIAS: There are different elements that are involved in what you are presenting to yourself. One is to be genuinely paying attention to your energy, one is associated with timing, and one is associated with listening to yourself. At times, you may be projecting an ease in energy and you may be expressing a confidence and a trust in yourself. And in that particular moment of timing, you allow yourself to create certain expressions easily.

Now; in other moments, these three factors may not necessarily be in harmony with each other. You do offer yourself communications that you briefly notice but you may be ignoring, or you may be choosing to continue regardless of your noticing that your timing may not be being expressed easily, or you may be projecting an anxiousness in energy, or you may be offering yourself a communication that within that time framework you are not expressing that trust of yourself and therefore are not expressing an allowance of your creations freely.

In this, what you do is you ignore those factors and generate the action regardless, and reinforce what your communication was initially, and how you reinforce that is to disappoint yourself.

SEALE: And I know that, not to go when I’m tired. I understood that and I still went, because we were there and what was I going to do? Well, I should have just gone out to the car like I was going to and slept with Bella. (Laughs) Okay well, that’s good, so I am noticing. Well, practice, practice — uck!

Now here we are. I don’t even know what to say. I mean, I’m so excited about what happened with Mary and me, and my recognizing how I was blocked before and how I was using protection. Expressing myself on the E-list just allowed... It’s like I’m getting to know myself in a whole different way.

ELIAS: Ah, and this is quite significant!

SEALE: I’m letting go of that weak... Well, now that I term weak. Then there’s that little confusion part, too, about not depending on how people will react, but also I’m not understanding for sure what’s allowed. My energy, when I’m sending out, I don’t have a lot of trust in that, I guess, because of the last year of how I’ve been doing. But I know that once I said what I said and I felt like people might react to that, I just knew I had to say it for myself.

I’m understanding in my terms, and that’s what I wanted to ask you if that’s in fact true, that I needed to do that for me to remove the blocks that I was blocking within myself.

ELIAS: Yes, and to offer yourself evidence of how allowing yourself to be expressive of yourself and not restricting yourself in regard to an apprehensiveness of how other individuals may or may not respond, how that generates an actual expression of freedom. You have allowed yourself to express, and in that experience you have provided yourself an example of your own freedom.

SEALE: Oh, and it feels so wonderful!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Quite liberating, is it not?

SEALE: Oh yes! Yes! Then I think why did I put myself through that for the whole last year. Oh yuck!

ELIAS: Ha ha! But this is not to be discounted either, for many times you generate difficulties and struggles in your exploration to motivate yourselves to risk.

SEALE: Oh yeah, I have to get downright miserable sometimes to risk, get through that fear.

ELIAS: I’m understanding, but...

SEALE: That’s pretty sad!

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

SEALE: But hopefully that’s a turning point now where I’m not going to get that downright... (Laughs)

I transcribed that session about my daughter. I told her the truth that I feel disappointed when we set up times and she doesn’t do what she says she’s going to do. Was that not appropriate? I mean, that’s freeing to me to be able to say that, to not be in fear of saying those things. In a lot of times I was afraid to say anything, because she always reacts to it so strongly when it’s something she doesn’t want to hear.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

SEALE: Is there something I need to do differently? She does that, too. Then she gets hurt or I can tell when she’s hurt because then it’s like, “I’ll never call you, Mom.” And I never even said anything about that. It’s like you can’t even say one thing or it’s an end all be all for her.

ELIAS: Ah, but recognize the reflection, the strength of the black and white, the either/or. In this, you are beginning to allow yourself the freedom to be expressive of yourself and beginning to move in a direction of creating what you want in allowance and in an acceptance of differences. But understand that you are moving into the beginning expressions of that, and therefore there are some elements that you continue to be expressing in similarity with this individual in the black and white and in the expectations. If an individual expresses a commitment, there is an expectation in absolute that they must follow through.

SEALE: Or call and let me know that they aren’t or explain it! Because when she calls back, it’s like ignoring like anything’s happened. And to me that feels discounting.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but in this, as we discussed previously, what is important is that you be aware of the energy that you are expressing and whether you are projecting an energy of expectations and of judgment, for that is affecting of what you actually create, for it is received, regardless of what you say.

SEALE: That’s the part that I’m having troubles with, because if I did that to her, she would be irate because I don’t do that to her.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But in this, what you have expressed in this moment, recognize that as a comparison. That is dangerous, for that is an evidence of not accepting differences and expressing expectations. “I do this; therefore I expect that other individuals shall do the same. Other individuals expect me to do this, but they do another.” These are comparisons.

SEALE: Oh, so you’re saying instead of getting caught in the comparisons just keep creating what I want to keep creating?

ELIAS: Yes!

SEALE: Okay, got it. For me, I needed to say that, that was impactful about her not being there, and then just go on?

ELIAS: Yes. It is not that you have expressed wrongly to allow yourself to express what you are experiencing, but not to be incorporating that comparison, which discounts and also generates expectations.

SEALE: That’s what you were saying when that comes up, because that’s how I feel always judged when she says I wasn’t there. I mean, I can’t even talk about anything when she started back with her trigger. I said, “I didn’t say that, that I wanted to disconnect.” That’s not what I said, so I guess in that respect I’m still trying to create what I want.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: I’ll work on the comparison.

ELIAS: That is a powerful expression, my friend, and is strongly influencing of the type of energy that is projected. And in that, it is quite affecting.

SEALE: I’m coming from her always judging me about any time I say anything to her that I like or don’t like. That’s the trigger you’re talking about, not to get into that when I feel that coming up, and just keep focused on what I want to create in the moment.

ELIAS: Yes! And not generate these expectations in anticipation. What you are generating is an absolute association with past experiences, and therefore you generate an expectation of yourself and of the other individual of how your interaction shall be, for it has become an absolute. In that, you continue to create similar expressions. This is the point of addressing to truths that have become absolutes. And therefore...

SEALE: Absolutes in her mind too?

ELIAS: Yes. But if you are reconfiguring your energy and if you are not continuing to perpetuate that association with absolutes and your expression is changed, that interrupts the cycle and diverts the other individual’s energy, and allows an avenue to change.

SEALE: Okay, makes sense. I’ve been trying to do that.

I recognize you. I must be more allowing because I’m recognizing more and more when you’re around again. But how do I talk to you? When I was asking those yes and no questions, that was pretty funny when we could shake a different way for yes and no. So thank you for that.

But how do I talk to you like this? I would really like to do that. Way back when I was asking you about meeting, right, after Cancun? That was pretty cool about the fish. But then you said that it took a lot of energy and you weren’t that interested in being objective, but I guess you’ve changed that. Fran said that during her birthday you materialized to her. So are you open to that or no?

ELIAS: Yes, but understand what is occurring. My energy is always available to each of you and is always present with each of you, and it is expressed in that presence in strength.

Now; it is your choice, each of you, how you shall configure that energy.

Now; in this, let us incorporate the example of any other individual. As you are aware, in theory and in concept every individual that you encounter, that you interact with, what you are actually directly interacting with is their projection of energy. You automatically without thought and in a natural allowance receive that energy and generate a projection. You create an actual physical form in matter of that individual’s energy. YOU create that. In this, you have configured their energy in association with their projection and their blueprint into a solid physical form that you may interact with.

Now; you are familiar with that process and you are familiar with that action, for there is an automatic association with physical form.

Now; what generates some difficulty for any of you to configure my energy into a physical form is that you do not associate my energy with being physical. Although you are aware that I have incorporated physical focuses in what you term to be past, you interact with myself now and your association with me is that I am nonphysical. Therefore, you do not incorporate an automatic identification of how to configure a nonphysical energy into a physical energy.

In brief and infrequent time frameworks, occasionally an individual may be expressing an openness and much more of an allowance of themselves. In those moments, they may be configuring the energy of my presence into an actual physical form and allow themselves a brief interaction physically, and in those moments, they shall offer themselves some expression of familiarity that shall be their clue that they have actually created this interaction. They shall offer themselves strong enough clues that they shall recognize that energy as my energy.

Now; this may be generated in several different manners. At times, an individual may be configuring my energy in association with my projection in conjunction with a physical form of another individual. Momentarily they shall superimpose my energy upon the form of another individual and allow themselves an actual physical interaction with myself. At times, they may create what we term to be a pop-in, which is a physical manifestation of my energy that is not superimposed upon another individual. It is an actual physical manifestation of myself, of my energy.

At times, individuals may not necessarily express an openness or an allowance of themselves to be generating that much of a solidity of form and may generate an apparition, in which they may be configuring my energy in a physical form but it shall be translucent. But nonetheless, it is interactive and it is creation of a form that they may be physically be interactive with.

At times, individuals may be aware of my energy and my presence, and they may be expressing a verbal conversation with myself — not actually generating a form but aware of my presence. They may actually incorporate an allowance of themselves to hear my voice. Are you understanding?

SEALE: Oh yes, that’s what I want to do. I know when we were communicating but I couldn’t hear your voice. We did it with the energy. I don’t care about the form so much, because you’re you whether it is however it is. But the voice is what I wanted to try to play with, play with the energy so that I have the voice, too.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and you may create this and you may generate this, and I shall be actively participating and present and projecting energy, as I am always. But it would be your allowance to configure that energy into an actual interaction in some type of physical expression, such as a voice or a form.

In this, there are individuals that do allow themselves this type of interaction with myself. You all incorporate that ability. It is merely a matter of allowance and trusting your ability to create that.

SEALE: Oh cool... Oh no! Oh see, this phone only goes so far. Oh, Mary’s going to kill me!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I highly doubt that!

SEALE: This is a low battery but I don’t have to accept that, right? We can create still talking without the telephone?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Correct, and I may express to you that I highly doubt that Michael shall be incorporating any expression of violence with you! Ha ha ha!

(Phone disconnects and Mary returns; short break while telephone communications are reestablished, and then Elias returns.)

ELIAS: Continuing.

SEALE: (Laughs) I hate this; this is not an absolute. I told Mary that. So what happened? I just didn’t trust myself. See, that’s what I mean. It’s like I know in my head we can do it, but then silence and then I panic: I’m missing my time of actually talking to him! I didn’t even give myself the opportunity to try it any more than a second.

ELIAS: Ah, but this is an excellent example of what we have been discussing in this conversation.

SEALE: The big dog! I listened to the big dog and freaked!

ELIAS: And what you are creating once again? An absolute association with past experiences. You create this absolute association with past experiences, and what does that generate? An anticipation of recreating the same. Incorporate this as an example in association with what you create with your daughter.

You generate a strong want, but the automatic absolute association with past experiences is stronger and overrides the want and restricts you and limits you, and you do not allow yourself to accomplish the want. But also incorporate this as an example to you in association with your interaction with you daughter, for in THIS situation you do allow yourself to continue.

And what did you express to myself in identification with your interaction with your daughter? You expressed to myself that you incorporated this interaction and expressed to her that you did not wish to be disconnecting. That is significant. You do not wish to be disconnecting with myself. And although you do briefly incorporate that action in the strength of the automatic association, you also continue.

SEALE: Oh yes, so that should give me my trust not to freak. I can see that now...

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: ...that aspect of it. I was focused on the freaking part and not accomplishing. As always, I do get stuck there rather than even giving myself that noticing — nope, I still kept connecting. And I will.

ELIAS: Yes, and that is significant.

SEALE: That’s what I mean, just like not being so focused or something. I’m trying to listen to what you’re saying because it’s hard for me, the audio, when I can’t see you.

What came to me was about identical twins, when we said twins. Yesterday or whatever day I was talking to Ariel, I believed I showed myself that we were identical twins.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: Oh boy, I’m learning how I show myself things! Thank you. Then I got blue eyes and black hair with you, when you were talking about form.

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: I’m sitting there saying, “Now listen, I’m supposed to be paying attention, knock it off,” because what was coming to me was that you had blue eyes and black hair. Do I have a focus with you that you are known to me as someone with blue eyes and black hair?

ELIAS: Yes.

SEALE: See, that’s what I mean. I just get little blurbs. I don’t get a whole big picture. I don’t even know where the information comes from. It’s just boom, there it is.

ELIAS: And do not discount yourself. For regardless of what method you incorporate or how you offer yourself information, you are offering yourself information.

SEALE: Well, no, and I appreciate that, but how am I going to elaborate on it when I don’t even understand how I get it? It’s like if I want to get more, well, I guess it’s still the same thing of relaxing.

ELIAS: And trusting yourself. It is that simple, my friend, in just trusting yourself. You do not analyze a method or express an objective understanding of the process of how you create another individual’s form, do you?

SEALE: Well, yeah, because that’s so automatic that, no, I don’t.

ELIAS: Correct. It is automatic. It is not questioned or analyzed or evaluated, or generating any attempt to evaluate what process you incorporate in how you create that. You merely do it.

SEALE: So that’s my non-acceptance of I create it and just go on with that.

ELIAS: And not to complicate.

SEALE: (Laughs) That’s almost as hard as trusting myself!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I am quite understanding.

SEALE: Oh, you are so great! I really missed you. And that’s the other thing. I have been trying to prepare myself, I guess, trying to do things and not be focused on money. But I still think there is a big issue there. I want to be able to just be, I mean get to that point where I just be, but I don’t feel like that yet. Do you have anything to say about helping that? That’s one of the reasons why I don’t want to have sessions either, because it’s like I don’t want to have to get into that whole thing of feeling like oh, I got to make so much money and all that stuff.

ELIAS: But also recognize in the time frameworks in which you are not concerning yourself with money and you are allowing yourself an ease and you are trusting yourself that you shall generate this creation and not discounting yourself, you create it quite easily.

SEALE: Yeah, that’s truly amazing!

ELIAS: But in the time frameworks in which you are concerning yourself and you are worrying, you do not create it very easily.

SEALE: Got that right!

ELIAS: It is a matter of what you concentrate upon. And concentration, remember, is not necessarily thinking.

SEALE: Exactly. Why I haven’t found that place in myself? That’s why I think I’m generating some of this stuff, so that I can find the places. Even when I’m playing, I’ll catch myself thinking or be aware that I’m thinking oh, it’s the machine — hello, nope, it ain’t the machine. So I get back in myself about you’re creating this. I’m trying to feel around in my body to that part that creates. (Laughs with Elias) But I don’t know. I mean, I can’t touch it and say okay, this is it; this is the part that creates. And that’s what I was trying to find, to determine.

ELIAS: And how you offer yourself that evidence is paying attention to what you are actually doing. That aspect of yourself is what is generating the creating. What you are actually doing is what you are concentrating upon, all of which is filtered through beliefs. But as I have expressed previously, beliefs are not the enemy and they are not necessarily what you would term to be bad. They also influence creating what you want.

In this, the manner in which you objectively recognize what your influences are and what beliefs are expressed is in paying attention to what you are actually doing and what you are communicating to yourself. In time frameworks in which you fret, you generate evidence of that by creating more of a thickness, more difficulty, conflict and less of an ease and an abundance. In time frameworks in which you are trusting yourself and you are not concerning yourself with lack, you easily create an abundance in many different manners, not merely money.

SEALE: Exactly. Well, I’m getting that part. I mean, I’m understanding. I’ll keep focused on my doing.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well.

SEALE: And I’m really excited. I think our time is about up, but I’m really excited about playing with you and talking with you.

ELIAS: Very well, and I shall be projecting my presence. Ha ha ha!

SEALE: Thank you very much as always, my dear friend!

ELIAS: You’re very welcome, my friend. And as always I express to you my great lovingness and encouragement in your allowance of our playfulness. Ha ha! To you, as always, I anticipate our next meeting and I encourage you in your journey.

SEALE: Thank you!

ELIAS: To you in tremendous affection, Seale, au revoir.

SEALE: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 8:10 AM.

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