Saturday, September 27, 2003 (Group, Kentucky)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Aldo (Nissah), Anthony (Hillary), Bill (Khalil), Bunny (Kafka), Carter (Cynthia), Cathy F (Felicia), Christine (Lurine), Craig (Griegore), David A. (Flynn), David N. (Sashie), Deane (Leland), Donna F. (Luera), Donna M. (Martha), Elizabeth (Dikto), Erin (Melody), George (Bethette), Joanne (Gildae), Jon (Sung), Joy (Bocnise), Julie (Fontine), Kathy (Mia), Katie (Muriel), KC (Nanaiis), Len (Bathyn), Linda (Shikta), Lorraine (Kayia), Louise (Meldah), Lynda (Ruther), M.C., Marj (Grady), Mary Jo (Eazon), Matt (Herron), Michele, Mike (Ealon), Naomi (Kallile), Pat Ber. (Ling-Tu), Pat Bet. (Fryolla), Pat W. (Treice), Patrick (Derricka), Paul (Ottell), Rodney (Zacharie), Sue (Catherine), Suzanne

Elias arrives at 1:58 PM. (Arrival time is 28 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

GROUP: Good afternoon, Elias.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This day I shall be engaging all of you with your questions. For I am aware that many of you are experiencing challenges with this new wave in consciousness, and therefore I have chosen to allow you to present your questions rather than engaging a dissertation within this session. Therefore, YOU may conduct the forum.

SUE: Which wave in consciousness are we in?

ELIAS: Addressing to the belief system of truth.

NAOMI: Elias, this is Naomi. Elena asked me to ask you a question. She perceives that there is a lot of vindictiveness within the current situation in the world and in our country. Can you comment on that? Is that what is really happening, and if it is, why?

ELIAS: This is QUITE associated with this wave. Individuals throughout your world are engaging the action of addressing to truths, individual truths.

Now; addressing to a truth begins in expressing them. Expressing these truths generates conflict, for there is little or no acceptance of differences in association with truths. Truths are truths, they may not be compromised, and in this they are not questioned. They ARE and therefore they are absolute, and if there is a difference it must be wrong.

This is what is being expressed throughout your world, individuals expressing their truths and generating tremendous conflict in the differences of these truths. But this is an initial step. You cannot address to a truth if you do not recognize it, if you do not identify it; and how you identify it is to present yourself with a difference, another truth - another individual’s truth, another culture’s truth. That emphasizes your own truth, for it sparks your lack of tolerance or acceptance in association with difference. This is the reason that it is significant and important to be paying attention.

Now; let me also express to you all, within this wave in consciousness addressing to this belief system of truth, it is significant that each of you recognize and pay attention to the type of energy that you each are expressing outwardly in association with your own truths, for that either contributes to the perpetuation of the conflict or it contributes to the dissipation of the conflict. Regardless of whether you view yourselves to be individually involved directly with any expression of conflict within your world or not, your energy is affecting.

Many individuals express opinions of negativity in association with mass decisions that are being expressed presently with governments, but what they are not paying attention to is that they themselves may be expressing a contribution to the very expressions that they dislike in their own energy, regardless of their opinions. You may disagree with many of the choices that governments are engaging presently, but look to yourselves also and pay attention to what type of energy you are expressing in each of your days, and whether you are expressing a lack of acceptance in differences and whether you are expressing protection in your own energies, whether you are generating comparisons, what your perception is of equality - and that is tricky.

Equality is a dangerous area, for you view yourselves to be quite noble and good if your opinion is that every individual should be equal. But if you encounter another individual that is expressing differently, you immediately move into judgment that any expression outside of equality is bad. Therefore the subject of equality is equally as narrow as any other expression, for it only allows for one expression of sameness and no difference. Difference is what is generating the conflict now and the lack of acceptance of differences, for the differences are the truths and the absolutes.

(To the group) What absolutes do you incorporate? You are exempt, Zacharie. We have already discussed your truths! (Laughing)

RODNEY: Thank you! (Group laughter)

ELIAS: What do you identify as your own truths?

KC: Elias, this is KC. Could we just take a small local truth of mine?

ELIAS: Very well.

KC: Expressway noise - the expressway is very close to my house, and when I moved into the house I don’t remember hearing the expressway noise. Then a few years ago, I’m getting tenser and more tense and more tense, and finally ... I wasn’t really noticing what it was, and then I noticed this whine. You probably heard it at this hotel. The expressway is right here, and I live right around the corner.

So I go over what I know about creating my reality. Therefore, I am creating the entire expressway, the cement, the tires, the cars, the people driving the cars, the location of my house, the distance, the wind, the median strip that’s cement - which, of course, is what I blame on the sound. (Laughs) So I’ve been trying to think, okay, my attention lies in the trust of this truth that when the cars go by they are going to generate this noise and the wind’s going to carry it to my house and I’m going to hear it; but now I don’t know how to move my attention if I want to create that differently. Is that an example of a truth?

ELIAS: Yes!

KC: Because that’s an absolute to me.

ELIAS: Yes, and this is not what you qualify as small.

KC: No, it’s not to me!

ELIAS: For none of your truths are small. (Laughter) They are absolutes and they are challenging.

Now; remember, you are not eliminating beliefs, and this is also one of your snares, for you automatically move into an association of eliminating. You do not allow yourselves the objective understanding that you may continue to express a belief and not be affected, or that you may continue to express a belief but choose how you manipulate your energy and how you create what you want, continuing to express the belief.

Now; this is an example, for this is an absolute with you, that the sound is generated by the vehicles and it is close to your dwelling and therefore you hear it. You may continue to incorporate that information and that belief as an expressed belief that the vehicles generate sound and the vehicles in relation to pavement generate sound and the larger the vehicle the larger the sound; you may continue to hold that belief and move your attention.

Practice distraction. I have expressed this many times and I shall reiterate once again, distraction is one of your greatest tools and it is efficient. You continue to be expressing the tension, for where is your attention? Upon the sound.

KC: Upon the vibrations of the sound, yes.

ELIAS: Correct! And as you continue to concentrate upon that vibration, you continue to perpetuate it.

Now; in distraction, you automatically interrupt your attention and you automatically move your attention. This is the reason that this is one of your greatest tools, for it is easy and it requires little effort and no thought. You need no method and you need no plan to distract yourself. You may incorporate a myriad of actions to be distracting of yourself.

Now; in the distraction, notice how your attention moves and the sound disappears.

KC: All I have to do is be talking to somebody else and paying attention to the conversation and it always goes right away, and I notice that. But when I notice that, I move my attention right back to the noise and I say, ’Oh, yes, it’s still there.’ (Laughter, and Elias grins) I haven’t done anything, because it’s still there.

ELIAS: Ah! Now; this is significant also, for this is an expression that you all incorporate, of generating an actual change in your perception and changing your reality, [then] reincorporating the previous annoyance and discounting yourselves and expressing to yourselves that you have not accomplished anything - but you have. You have moved your attention, you have created differently, but you do not allow yourselves to acknowledge that, and therefore you return to the familiar.

KC: Can I ask another question? (Elias nods) I was wondering the other day about this. I can distract myself in speaking with a friend in the backyard and we’re not hearing the noise, and I’ll look at her and grin and she’ll grin, because she knows it’s about the noise, then I move my attention to the expressway and I hear it again. So I was wondering, can I move my attention to the expressway and not hear it?

ELIAS: Yes.

KC: Okay, you want to talk about that? (Laughter)

ELIAS: Practice the exercise of outer senses.

KC: The clarity exercise, where you go through your outer senses and place yourself right here in the now...

ELIAS: Yes, and concentrate your attention on ONE sense and tune out the other senses.

KC: And that does work! Because what I did was I concentrated on my sense of touch and there was a cricket over there, and then where did it go? My sense of hearing completely left and I forgot what the other senses even were! Because I could feel everything, and that was it. Oh my god! It works! (Laughter) Elias, you certainly know all the tricks!

CATHY: I’m Cathy F., this really is hitting home for me today, because I’ve been through a situation with a friend who’s ... we basically split the friendship. The truth I found, going through all this, is that I seem to need reassurance that I’m on the right track, and then I don’t like myself for needing the reassurance. I feel like I should be able to get this without help. I should be able to do this myself. I call it being an ’F’ student in a class of ’A-plusses.’ You want to get it right, you want to feel like you’re doing it right, and then you just end up thinking well, I screwed up there! How do you get to where you can feel secure when you’re feeling so insecure? Does that make any sense to anybody in here? (Laughter, and many agreements)

ELIAS: First of all, one of the expressions that generates considerable conflict and discounting is comparing. This action is damaging. It automatically discounts you. In this, you are not comparable to any other individual, for you are you, and you are unique, and your movement and your methods and your choices are yours, and they are not worse than any other individual’s. They are different. Ah, this word of ’difference’ again! In this, it is not a race. There is no finish line.

What you occupy yourselves with so very often are outcomes. You judge your value upon outcomes, and you measure yourselves with outcomes, and you compare yourselves with outcomes. But what you are engaging in this reality are processes. It is the generation of the creating, not the created. What is significant is what you are DOING, not what you have done, what you are creating, what your process is. For this is the expression of you, and this is what offers you all of your information.

Individuals, as an example, at times express the question to myself, ’I have generated this experience, Elias, and I am not understanding what I have created in this experience. If I had not spoken with you, would I have generated an understanding of what I have created?’ And my response is it matters not, for I am an element of your process. You have spoken with myself, and this is the manner in which you offered yourself an explanation or an answer. I am another element of your process, which is being created and chosen by you.

Therefore, it is not that you are not ’getting it.’ Every individual wants to be getting it, and every individual in this forum wants to be getting it themselves and are discounting of themselves if they are getting information from other individuals or from myself. But you are creating that! Therefore, you are getting it yourself! (Laughter and applause)

Another pitfall is that you are not getting it if you generate an experience that you deem to be negative. That is a trip, you have stumbled, for you have generated some experience that is uncomfortable or that you deem to be negative. Relatively recently I engaged another group of individuals and inquired of them ’what do you value?’ Generally speaking, each of you shall automatically express an identification of some positive expression. Any expression that you view or deem to be positive, you value - not necessarily. There are many positive expressions that you do not value, and there are many uncomfortable and negative expressions that you do value.

PAT BET: Can you give an example? This is Pat Bet.

ELIAS: An example - you may be generating an uncomfortable interaction with another individual, perhaps in a relationship with another individual. You may generate a tremendous conflict and express an extreme uncomfortableness in encountering the other individual’s energy or their interaction, and in that interaction you may be discounting of yourself or you may be elevating of yourself...

PAT BET: Oh, don’t look at me like that! (Laughter) You hit it on the head there!

ELIAS: (Grins) And in this, you value the elevation of yourself and you value even the conflict, for it reinforces your expression and it offers you a payoff.

Individuals at times even value pain. They may not be comfortable in the moment, they may not be expressing what you identify as happiness in the movement, but this is not to say that they do not value what they have created, for subsequently they may be offering themselves valuable information concerning their experience.

Even in uncomfortable situations and circumstances and encounters, you are offering yourselves reflections, and you are offering yourselves information, and you are offering yourselves an opportunity to examine what energy you are creating, what you are expressing outwardly and how that is creating a situation that you are experiencing in uncomfortableness. Discomfort is not synonymous with a lack of value. Were it not valuable to you, you would not create it.

You merely generate this idea of a utopia that incorporates no discomfort ever, which - you may believe it or you may not believe it - but I may express to you quite definitely, were you to be creating that utopia, in actuality you would also be quite bored, for you incorporate no spice. I am aware that all of you want to be creating a focus in which you generate happiness and comfort and ease, but you also enjoy surprise and spice. Some individuals generate the spice intentionally! (Chuckles)

PAT BER: I like it, I like the spice! This is Pat. But my question is, I’m aware that I do that, and it’s like sometimes things will be going really great and life is so wonderful and happy and joyful, and then I’ll create a certain situation of the opposite, of real intensity. I’ve identified that part of it is I just dig that intensity of experience! I like it like that! Because otherwise I’m bored, I get bored with joyfulness, so I create something that’s a really big drama.

So my confusion is, how much of that is because I create it because I dig it, or is that an automatic response to a situation? Sometimes I’m like, ’Did I do it just because I was bored and I wanted to shake it up a bit to make it spicy, or did I do it out of an automatic response again?’ It can be both, right?

ELIAS: Yes, and this is the reason it is significant to familiarize yourself with automatic responses. This is not as difficult as you perceive it to be. As you recall any situation, you may identify whether you have been generating an automatic response or not. But at times you may be choosing to generate an automatic response to be creating that...

PAT BER: That intensity.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT BER: Right! That was kind of a real light bulb thing for me. I don’t have to judge that I’m doing that, because...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT BER: ...I wanted to do that, because I wanted to shake it up a little bit.

ELIAS: Now; what is significant is that most individuals do NOT want to be generating that type of action, and it is not amusing to them and they are not entertained! (Laughing, and group laughter)

PAT BER: I may not be entertained in the moment, but I’m processing it a lot quicker. ’Oh yeah, there it was again; I’m shaking myself up. Oh, cool!’ (Elias chuckles) I do it about every six months; I’ve even identified that.

ELIAS: Ah! Very well!

PAT BER: I can go about six months before I have to shake it up because I’m bored. (Elias laughs)

ELIAS: What is significant in what we are discussing is that for the most part in time frameworks in which individuals generate experiences that are uncomfortable, you automatically move into an association of yourself as a failure, that you should know better, that you should be beyond this, that you incorporate enough information that you should not be creating these experiences any longer. For you incorporate this belief - as a truth - of enlightenment, that once you offer yourselves information it is a one time experience and you shall never encounter that experience again, for you are done with it and it shall never darken your door again! For this is not a belief, it is an entity that you are ridding yourself of through knowledge.

You incorporate the intellectual understanding of information, but you do not incorporate the experiential application of it. You incorporate the intellectual understanding of being in the now and paying attention to yourselves - and they are words, words, words, words, words. Where is your actual attention, and are you in the now? You have even become very proficient at convincing yourselves that you are in the now and you are paying attention to yourselves when you are not. (Laughter)

’I am present in this moment, I am paying attention to myself - except for my chili in the kitchen!’ (Laughter) ’Except for that meeting I must engage next week, I am present in the moment.’ ’I am aware of myself, I am here, I am aware of the now - except did I remember to disengage the light before I came to this meeting?’ Except for, ’I hope that the break is incorporated soon, for I must engage the bathroom.’ (Laughter) And therefore it is literally words, words, words, for the actual application of holding your attention in the now and upon yourself is a concept and not necessarily what you actually generate.

You generate it in moments, and in those moments you may be experiencing and expressing similar to Ling-Tu, ’HOORAY, I have accomplished in this moment!’ and in the next moment you shall be expressing to yourself, ’I am SUCH a failure! I could not continue that moment, therefore I have failed.’ (Much laughter) And you continue the circle and you discount yourself and you reinforce your discounting of yourselves by expressing to yourselves, ’You see, what have I done? Once again I have ruined the experience; I have failed in my attempts. I shall never be successful, I shall never win the race, I shall never generate the right outcome.’ For there is absolutely a right outcome for all of you, not merely for you individually, for there is one enormous general right outcome for every situation which encompasses every individual on your planet.

LORRAINE: Elias, this is Lorraine. I have a question about being in the now, in the moment. Where is thought in that? Do you have to try to stop thinking?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. The role of thought is significant, but what is important to be generating is a balance, a balance between allowing your attention the flexibility to move to communications, action, and thought. The pitfall with thought is that your attention moves to thought to the exclusion of other information, to the exclusion of what you are actually doing and to the exclusion of your communications, and you rely upon thought in manners it is not designed for.

You rely upon thought to create your reality, and this is not its function and therefore you disappoint yourselves for it does not create your reality. You rely upon thought to be offering you accurate information, and your association is that it is a communication, which it is not. It is a translating mechanism. It translates what you do and what you believe and what your communications are.

But if your attention is not moving to the actual avenues of communication, thought does not accurately translate, and this becomes confusing for you think one expression and you are doing another, or you are thinking in one direction and you are feeling another, for you are not offering the thought process accurate information. You are concentrating your attention upon that as the main operator of your being, as the control point, as the steering wheel, and it is not.

Your choices, what you actually do, are your indicators of what you are expressing. This is the reason that is it very important to pay attention to what you are actually DOING, paying attention to yourself, and this is challenging for it is unfamiliar. You are familiar with projecting your attention outside of yourself and holding it upon any and every expression that you encounter outside of yourself, and you are quite familiar with placing your attention upon each other rather than yourselves. This is not to say that you place your attention upon self to the exclusion of other individuals, but that you are aware of what you are expressing in association with your interactions with other individuals.

We shall break and thusly continue subsequent to the break, and you may all practice - for a brief moment - interacting with each other and paying attention to your own energy in that interaction! (Chuckles) We shall continue subsequently.

BREAK at 2:44 PM
RETURN at 3:32 PM (Arrival time is 17 seconds.)

ELIAS: Continuing!

KATIE: Elias, I have a question. This is Katie. This question is from Malhai. How does the movement in Region 4 influence the shift in this dimension?

ELIAS: Some of the movement - not all of the movement, for not all of the essences that focus their attention in Regional Area 4 are participating in this shift in consciousness, merely those that are associated with the essence families that are associated with your physical dimension are involved in participation - would be an involvement, generally speaking, in energy, offering energy to the accomplishment of it. But I may express that there are also essences that are offering information in similar manner to myself in this time framework to individuals within your physical dimension. This expression is becoming much more common, for there is being generated much more of an awareness throughout your world of the movement of this shift, and therefore there is more of a request for it, for information.

KATIE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome! And you may express my greetings to Malhai.

KATIE: I certainly will. (Elias chuckles)

RODNEY: Question - I’m Rodney. In attempting to focus attention on myself ... you gave all of those examples prior to the break, and I can understand that if the distraction is something that’s going to happen next week or something that happened last week, but you gave the example of ’I have to go to the bathroom; I hope this ends quickly.’ Well, when I pay attention to self I become very aware of all of my physical feelings and sensations, almost like an exercise in clarity, and I may be aware that I have to relieve myself. Is that ... am I missing the point here? I mean, when I focus my attention on self, I’m confronted with my body, my physicalness. I try to go beyond that or open to what’s beyond that, but I’m not sure of how successful I’m being.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

RODNEY: So is it the physicalness of my body, is that something I need to go beyond in focusing on self?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for that is merely one element of you. You may be paying attention to physical sensations, but what are you actually communicating to yourself?

RODNEY: (Laughs) Just it’s those physical sensations.

ELIAS: And what are you actually doing?

RODNEY: Not much.

ELIAS: And what energy are you projecting?

RODNEY: I haven’t been in touch with it enough to even think of answering that question.

ELIAS: (Nodding vigorously in agreement) Correct - that’s the point, being aware of what type of energy you are expressing. For you are continuously expressing energy, but what type of energy are you expressing?

RODNEY: Well, I could move my attention - and I do - as to how I’m feeling. That would be moving more in the direction that you’re talking about, correct?

ELIAS: In the example of moving your attention to relieving yourself and the physical sensation, you may be in that moment expressing an energy of anxiousness or frustration and tension for you are focusing upon an anticipation. That example was purposeful, to illustrate how you are not aware of what type of energy you are projecting and the significance of knowing what type of energy you are projecting continuously.

Prior to that offering of examples I expressed to you all, you concern yourselves with your viewing of your cultures and your governments and your disagreement with what they may be generating collectively, but you are unaware of the similarity of energy that each of you are expressing also, which is a contribution to the collective, to the mass.

RODNEY: So when I write a letter to my congressman telling him that I don’t approve of dah-dah-dah or that I would vote for something else, there’s a really good chance that I would be contributing to the same energy?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

RODNEY: No?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon what energy you are expressing in your own choices, in your own actions. Are you expressing an energy of suspicion? Are you expressing an energy of anxiousness? Are you expressing an energy of protection? Are you expressing an energy of lack? Are you expressing an energy that you need to acquire?

What is the mass creating, and how are you aligning with it? There can be no mass without individuals.

RODNEY: One of the exercises that I do - because I do listen to or at least I try to feed myself with the most accurate description of what’s happening in the world, which is one reason I don’t own a television set - and one of the things I make an effort to do is to see what’s happening as a movement in this shift. I look for the shift in a change of what’s happening, as in Iraq. It’s such a tremendous crosscurrent at the moment of a whole lot of probabilities taking shape and taking form. Without saying one is right and one is wrong, I simply view it as, ’Wow, look at this volcano, if you will, of probabilities coming to the surface. I wonder what the results are going to be?’ And that kind of takes me away from, in my view - and that’s the reason I’m explaining this - it kind of takes me away from placing a judgment, or at least a lesser judgment, and simply kind of being fascinated by what is actually happening there.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

RODNEY: Is this more of lending energy to an ease...

ELIAS: Yes.

RODNEY: ...or am I tricking myself?

ELIAS: No, but it is significant that you are aware and that you evaluate what you are actually expressing. In your example with your letter to your congressman, it is dependent upon what you are actually expressing what you shall be offering energy to. If you are aware that you are expressing your opinion and that it is relevant to you, but you are also aware that you are not judging that individual in what they are choosing, you are merely stating that it is not your preference but that the other individual is not wrong...

RODNEY: I recently wrote a letter, an email, to my congressman stating that I personally disapprove of reinforcement of the so-called Patriot Act and would rather see it dismembered than to see it increase the power of the federal government. That’s kind of the way I put it, I would disapprove of more spying on our citizens, et cetera. Am I lending energy here?

ELIAS: Yes.

RODNEY: To what, to which side? I’m actually trying to protect myself, aren’t I? (Laughter)

ELIAS: Yes, and you are expressing in the disapproval that what is being expressed by other individuals is wrong. You may disagree and not express a judgment. It is not necessary for you to agree to cooperate.

RODNEY: So if I simply state and truly see myself, I disagree with the necessity of the Patriot Act as a method of increasing our security, if I really feel that and say that, then I am not...

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: ...I’m safe, so to speak. (Laughter) Forgive me for the use of the words here. But I am not lending to the conflict, I am lending energy to the ease.

ELIAS: Correct. There are fine lines, and it is important to be paying attention, for in those fine lines it may be confusing to recognize what you are actually offering energy to in your expression, which you define in evaluating your motivation and your judgments.

You may define your judgments, in actuality, quite simply. If you view another expression that is different from your own choices or your own preferences as wrong, you are expressing energy in the direction of perpetuating what you do not want, for you are expressing the same as the masses that are generating choices that you disagree with. They are generating judgments and absolutes; you are also. Yours are merely different, and you believe yours to be right and theirs to be wrong. They believe theirs to be right and yours to be wrong.

RODNEY: I recognize that.

ELIAS: For there are no absolute rights and wrongs, there are merely different perceptions and different expressed beliefs. And the more that you generate expressions of these judgments of what is absolutely right and what is absolutely wrong, the more you perpetuate the conflict and you offer energy to the collective, to the mass, and this is what is generated. You may each sit with yourselves and express quite righteously that you are not participating, for you view these actions to be wrong - and you are participating! (Laughter)

LORRAINE: How many of us are not participating? Is there anybody on the planet who is not participating in that kind of a way?

ELIAS: Yes, there are many.

LORRAINE: Are they aboriginal and bushmen?

ELIAS: No. There are many within this culture, and there are many within this forum, and there are many more of you that are striving to that! (Laughter) You are accomplishing and you are paying more attention, but remember it is the process that is significant, not the finish line.

NAOMI: This is Naomi. Would that be more indicative of people with intermediate orientation, who are not involved in the mass?

ELIAS: No! (Chuckling and shaking his head; laughter) It is an individual expression, and any one orientation is no more inclined to be expressing acceptance than any other orientation.

DEANE: Elias...

ELIAS: Yes, sir!

DEANE: Your favorite mouse is right here! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ah! And has chosen to speak!

DEANE: I have, and it takes great intestinal fortitude and courage to do that, sir.

ELIAS: Therefore I am acknowledging of you! (Laughter)

DEANE: I have two parts here. The first part is regarding the A-N-D pyramid in its intent of breaking down these interdimensional barriers - I’d appreciate some comment on that - and the second part would be validation of some of my experiences with Atlantis and Bah’Rand.

Regarding the A-N-D pyramid intent and breaking down these barriers, how are we doing? I’ll put it that way.

ELIAS: Accomplishing. This is a direction that you have chosen to be engaging some of these actions of this shift in consciousness, and choosing to be focusing your attention upon thinning these veils of separation in association with different dimensions; and in your movement, you are accomplishing. You are offering yourselves evidence of that, for you are increasing your experiences in association with different focuses in other dimensions.

DEANE: I’ve had some of these experiences, and to be frank, sometimes I think I’m just full of it, you know?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Now; this is a significant example, for this is what many of you generate in many of your experiences. If they are not solidly familiar to you, you doubt and you automatically move into that absolute association of how you define imagination, that it is fantasy and it is not real and therefore you are deluding yourselves - another discounting.

What you may imagine is a unique avenue of communication. Imagination is NOT fantasy. It is NOT unreal. It may be unfamiliar, and you may express through imagination different associations that appear to you to not be real now, for they may not be associated with your actual physical reality now in this manifestation; but were it not to exist, you would not incorporate the ability to imagine it.

DEANE: It’s one thing to ... let me put it this way. When Jim/Andrel asked about if they had pets, I’m sitting in my chair and I go to talk to Bah’Rand. I go to sleep and I wake up, and here’s this image of this dog and it’s sort of blue in the mane, and I’m getting all these impressions and I’m saying, ’Okay, that’s probably okay, because I’ve had similar experiences before in these probable selves that we had once discussed; I’m going to say that that’s valid.’ But there’s other times like when I was making pickles, when I was cutting the lawn, and Bah’Rand thought I was out to lunch, making pickles. What the hell you doing, boy? (Laughing) And cutting grass, it was totally unfamiliar to him. There’s times when I’m in my chair and I hear your voice, which you have acknowledged that I do that before, and I hear his voice and I’m saying, ’Come on Deane, sip another bourbon here!’ (Laughs)

I’m not really sure, number one, how I can determine the validity of that, because that image I can see is really valid, but I’m not sure about the other, and number two the element of distortion, because you say there’s distortion there. So If I get pictures and there’s imagery and I hear sounds and there’s communication, how can I determine what’s being distorted and what’s not being distorted?

Because I’m assuming now that everybody in this room is going to have similar experiences, should they choose - maybe they may not, maybe not everybody - but this is going to be a thing, if you’re breaking down barriers. There’s going to be a great deal of activity associated with that...

ELIAS: Perhaps.

DEANE: ...people and other dimensions, and there’s going to be these experiences. I see us breaking ground. How do you really know and really tell? There’s some you can really tell, yes, but I’m not sure about those other things, this...

ELIAS: It is all valid. They are all translations, but it is all valid, and it matters not in association with the idea of distortion, for you are incorporating an action of engaging other dimensions. They are unfamiliar and they do not fit within your dimension; therefore, there shall be translations, but you may interact with the translations regardless.

DEANE: The information, for example, that Bah’Rand gave me about his family, and I discovered through that that I have a focus there that you confirmed, Ahh-Nach, his son. This is not a picture, this is information.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

DEANE: And I’ve been in his house and I see all this stuff and the other people there and all these interactions that I haven’t really discussed with anyone. I can count on that?

ELIAS: Yes. It is valid.

PAT BET: You’re not crazy. (Laughter)

ELIAS: No, you are not experiencing lunacy. (Laughter) No, you are not experiencing senility. You are generating valid experiences. Yes, they incorporate translation, but that is what you shall generate to allow yourself the ability to interact. That is the element of thinning the veils of separation between dimensions, for those energies, those manifestations, do not fit within the design of this reality.

You incorporate a specific blueprint in this physical reality, as do other physical realities, and they do not fit in imagery in association with each other. Therefore, there are translations that occur. You translate into images, you translate into forms, you translate into associations such as dwellings or terrains or atmospheres. You translate what you know in this dimension, in this physical reality. And yes, that may be technically termed a distortion for it is a translation, but that is not to say that you are not genuinely interacting.

DEANE: See, I’ve been pulling away from this stuff for the last few months, as you probably know, simply because I’ve said, ’Hoop-de-damn-do, go have another bourbon, son; this can’t be like this!’ (Laughter)

ELIAS: Do not discount yourself, Leland. It matters not. It is an individual expression and interest and preference and direction, and in that, if you prefer to be generating this type of movement and interacting in this manner, I may be quite encouraging. For in the time frameworks in which you are generating that action, you are not concentrating upon expressing an outward energy which offers to the perpetuation of what you all do not want in this reality. You are generating an action in which the energy that you are projecting outwardly is in conjunction with thinning the veils of separation.

DEANE: True, but I’ve got a major concern here; maybe I should say ’had.’ Because if you’re breaking new territory and these barriers are coming down and there’s people who are initially doing this, it’s in a sense providing a roadmap for other people. And you want that - I want that - I would hope that it would be in such a form that it would provide benefit to other people, something that they could in fact follow rather than...

ELIAS: If they are so choosing.

DEANE: If they are so choosing, well...

ELIAS: And what you offer is your sharing. Do not move into the direction of instruction. You are sharing your experiences, and if another individual chooses to be engaging similar experience, it may be beneficial. But your motivation is you and associated with YOUR preferences and YOUR direction, and in that, beyond that, you merely offer sharing of your experiences without an expectation.

DEANE: I understand, like I share my cognac with you on occasion, and that great pleasure that you continue to afford me, sir. (Elias chuckles) I appreciate your help and assistance and continued guidance.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

LINDA: Elias, I have a question, along the same lines as ... it’s Linda, speaking up now, loudly. I’ve been playing with this thing about memory and time. I’ve had two experiences with this, where I go back into a memory and I’ll go back to what I remember and explore what’s there. I’ve been getting more and more detail, like for example being a child and being in a store, and starting to uncover more than what I initially remember and to zero in on more and more detail of it.

I go into playing with it, but I get to a point where I start to freak out with it, and my body reacts and I start to hyperventilate. I guess that’s just fear, and I’m just wondering what the heck I’m doing and if there’s a way to relax with that. I’m not really looking for a method, I guess, but I really don’t know what I’m doing with it.

ELIAS: And what is your motivation?

LINDA: Well, I don’t know. I guess I’m just playing with it, and I guess the whole thing has to do with time and memory, and the idea of linear time and trying to see how simultaneous time fits in with linear time, and how everything that was is now memory and everything in future is probability. For a long time I lived with memories very prevalent in my life, and now I’m moving away from that and I guess I’m just playing with it, if that makes any sense. I guess I’m trying to figure out what it is I’m doing.

ELIAS: Exploring. Remember, in your playing in this experimentation, each time you move yourself, your attention, into memory, you change the past, and that is how the simultaneousness fits within your linear experience. For each recall of the past is somewhat different, and in the now it changes the past and what it was. Now perhaps allow yourself in this experimentation to view it as a game and playful, and therefore not frighten yourself, for you can manipulate the energy in any manner that you choose; and in that, knowing that you change the past in the present merely in your investigation of recall or memory, you may incorporate that playfulness and choose how you wish to be generating the memory.

You may manipulate memory and the past in very similar manners to manipulating dreams. If you are aware, if you are paying attention, you may direct dreams in whatever manner you choose, which in actuality is significant information. For if you can manipulate dreams to move in whatever manner you choose, if you are generating an uncomfortable dream you may choose to change it and move it in a different expression and create different energy. You may generate a similar action in relation to memory, and if you may create those, as the subjective and objective parallel and are in harmony with each other, you also may direct your waking state in objective reality in the same manner. If you are uncomfortable with what you are presenting yourself with in imagery objectively, you may alter that as easily as you alter a dream.

RODNEY: Elias, may I ask you to wait a moment while we change the tape?

ELIAS: Very well. (The video stops momentarily while Lynda changes tapes.)

LYNDA: (Patting Elias on the knee) You’re doing great - keep going. (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ah, electrical difficulties.

LYNDA: Yeah, it’s your fault. (Elias chuckles; group laughter) Thank you.

ELIZABETH: Elias, I have a question. I’ve been having a lot of imagery with the number 43 lately. I’m just wondering, what does it mean?

ELIAS: And what do you present this imagery to yourself surrounding?

ELIZABETH: I don’t know, it pops up just at odd times. I’ll be watching a TV show and usually on a clock I’ll see it, and it doesn’t seem to have a pattern.

ELIAS: And do you incorporate any impression?

ELIZABETH: A couple people have said I might be creating more focuses.

ELIAS: It is a number associated with newly generated observing essence roles, which incorporate the same experience as a directing essence role in any focus. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, you may consider this to be an additional numbering of focuses, for they are generally the same.

ELIZABETH: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

PAT BET: I have a question. This is Pat. About two weeks ago, I decided to see if I could pick out lottery numbers in the dream state. (Elias laughs, and group laughter) And I found these numbers were just coming into my head! It was right when I was first awake but wanted to go back to sleep, and I was seeing these numbers. Well, I failed to get up and write them down, but I went over them a few times in my head. When I woke up I did remember three of the numbers and a bonus number. So I went and played the lottery - five dollars, five chances. I got those three numbers and I got the bonus number.

Now, did I actually generate the knowledge, and should I have written it down so I would have had all five of them and been a lot richer, or is it that I just didn’t allow that, for some reason I didn’t want to win the lottery, even though I thought I did but I didn’t do it?

ELIAS: It is not a matter of wanting to win the lottery or not wanting to win the lottery...

PAT BET: Was I showing myself that I could do it?

ELIAS: ...but offering yourself an experience to allow yourself to validate yourself and to trust yourself.

PAT BET: And I got twenty-one dollars! (Laughter)

PAT BER: So you did win!

PAT BET: Yeah, I won, but you know.

ELIAS: Congratulations! (Chuckles as the group laughs)

KC: I have a question about the expressway again. (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ah, more concentration upon the cement!

KC: Linda’s question actually reminded me about memory. I got to thinking about a little game that I’m playing with a little family group, about remembering that we’ve done something before that we’re actually trying to do now, so it makes it easier to actually do it again. The game is, you’ve already done it anyway, so you’re just going to remember that new memory or create the new memory and then you’ll do it again, because you’ll remember how to do it.

Well, why can’t ... I should be able to remember the expressway being somewhere else then.

ELIAS: Yes.

KC: I mean, I might not engage that ability because it’s really unfamiliar to manipulate physical reality that way. But I actually could remember the expressway, so I could sort of just practice that.

ELIAS: You may be much more successful in engaging the clarity exercise. (Grinning, and group laughter)

KC: Now, you said I could actually move my attention to the expressway and not hear it?

ELIAS: Correct.

KC: Okay, I just wanted to make sure! (Laughter) I will report!

ELIAS: Very well, I shall be anticipating! (Laughs)

PAUL: I’m Paul/Ottell. How does the belief system of control fit in with the truth wave, or belief systems surrounding control?

ELIAS: Many individuals incorporate that in their truths. Control is a strongly expressed belief and many individuals incorporate that as a truth, as an absolute that they must be expressing control to be successfully executing what they want, and many individuals express this truth of control in association with acceptable and unacceptable behaviors - many, many, many individuals - for themselves and for other individuals. This is a significant truth to be examining.

SUE: This is Susan. What about people who are, for example, currently in prison for one reason or another? In what way are their beliefs about control feeding into that situation?

ELIAS: They may be expressing beliefs concerning control or they may not.

SUE: So that would vary with the individual?

ELIAS: Yes. Merely that they may be incarcerated is not necessarily an indication that they are expressing beliefs or absolute beliefs of control as their truths.

JOANNE: Elias, Joanne. Question - in the last couple months, and sitting here listening, I’ve just associated with the wave in truth. I find myself being a lot more vocal about my opinions and the things that I want, and in thinking about that, it started with the feeling that I’m very tired of not feeling I had a space to be me, so I’m being more vocal in my wants, in my opinions, in my thoughts. I was wondering, is that really associated with the wave of truth, that I’m finding my truth and maybe giving myself permission to have that truth?

ELIAS: Partially.

JOANNE: What’s the other part? (Laughter) Well, I know I’m lending energy to all that’s going on, ’cause I like that, but aside from that, for me personally, what’s the other part?

ELIAS: You are also presenting to yourself these expressions to discover what some of your truths are, and in that, what some of your truths are in association with what you do not want, and how you associate in some of your truths with judgments in relation to other individual’s behaviors, as we have expressed. For you view other individual’s behaviors to be affecting of you and limiting you and in a manner of speaking, controlling you.

JOANNE: And I feel myself getting very tired of that and being more aggressive, more assertive, and stepping into things where before I just would have been quiet and gotten through it, dealt with it.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this is an example of the swinging pendulum from one extreme to the other, and this is significant. Do not discount yourself in this, for many, many, many individuals are engaging this type of action and these types of behaviors in association with this wave.

JOANNE: I sort of like it.

ELIAS: For it allows you to experience and explore and experiment with unfamiliar and different actions and expressions and behaviors, which thusly shall allow you to move into a balance in which you are not expressing a harshness in energy and demanding but generating an allowance within yourself to accomplish. For the reason you are demanding is that you have generated an association that if you are not demanding, you shall not be expressing the strength to override the control.

JOANNE: Right, I have noticed that, and I noticed that that doesn’t work. There’s other times when I express myself and it just flows and everything’s fine. But there’s other times when I can feel myself push really hard, and it just comes right back at me.

ELIAS: Correct. And in this also, in the force of the energy, it is quite easily expressed to move your attention to the other individuals and generate the expectation of their allowance or their permission, rather than generating your OWN allowance and doing.

JOANNE: But it is partially...

ELIAS: Yes, it is a movement into recognizing your truths and moving into a direction in which you may generate that balance.

JOANNE: Because there are times when I feel very comfortable with myself, which I haven’t felt in a long time. I’ve kind of gotten to where that’s my goal in life, I just want to feel really comfortable with myself. At times now I’m actually doing that, and I’m finding myself not so much worried about the rules and what I thought was appropriate, but actually allowing myself to be me, and I just was wondering if that...

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome. (Chuckles)

KATIE: Elias, I have a Game entry.

ELIAS: Very well.

KATIE: This is Katie, for those transcribing. I’d like to connect the rave party phenomenon with Tumold.

ELIAS: In what category?

KATIE: Oh shoot, category! (Elias laughs) I forgot about that. Is there a category for that? We might have to start a new one.

ELIAS: Which shall be what?

KATIE: Culture.

ELIAS: What type of culture?

KATIE: Pop culture?

ELIAS: Very well, accepted. (Laughter, and Elias chuckles) One point!

KATIE: Thank you! (Scattered applause)

DEANE: Elias, I have to ask about a confirmation for my friend George here. This is Deane. When Pat and I were in Egypt many years ago, and she was Ahshee Anah and I was Khufuru, I got the impression that her husband, George, who’s here with us today, was a priest in that temple, had a great influence on her, and was part of these little problems we had. The name that I got I believe was Ahj-net. Can you confirm that?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DEANE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome. We shall be incorporating two more questions, and we shall be discontinuing.

Yes?

DAVID N: My name is David, and I’d like to get my essence name, family, alignment and orientation.

ELIAS: Essence name, Sashie, S-A-S-H-I-E (SAH she). And your impression as to your essence families?

DAVID N: I don’t know if it’s an impression, but Sumafi/Sumari?

ELIAS: Essence family, correct; alignment, Gramada. And what is your assessment of your orientation?

DAVID N: I’m thinking intermediate.

ELIAS: Correct.

MATT: My name is Matt. I’d also like the same information.

ELIAS: Essence name, Herron, H-E-R-R-O-N (HAIR uhn). And your impressions?

MATT: They would also be guesses, because I’m not sure of this impression business, but I’m thinking as a guess Tumold might be one of them and Sumafi might be one.

ELIAS: Reverse.

MATT: So it’s Sumafi belonging and Tumold aligned?

ELIAS: Yes.

MATT: And as a guess I’d say intermediate as orientation.

ELIAS: You are correct.

KATHY: My name is Kathy, and I’m on this path for self-discovery as well. I think it might help to have some of that information, such as the essence name and family and alignment and orientation.

ELIAS: Essence name, Mia, M-I-A (MY). And your impression?

KATHY: Well, I’d have to say - and it is a guess - but perhaps Borledim? Am I saying that correctly?

ELIAS: Borledim (bor lah DEEM), belonging. And alignment? (Slight pause) Milumet. And your impression as to orientation?

KATHY: Common?

ELIAS: Correct.

KATHY: Thank you. (Elias chuckles)

DONNA M: Elias, this is my husband. He won’t ask, but I want to know! (Laughter) I would like to ask his essence name, his family and alignment.

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Griegore, G-R-I-E-G-O-R-E (GREE gore). And your impression?

DONNA M: Perhaps Ilda and Gramada?

ELIAS: Reverse.

DONNA M: Thank you. Can I ask for my father as well?

ELIAS: Essence name, Bathyn, B-A-T-H-Y-N. And your impression?

DONNA M: Gramada and something. (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I do not recall this essence family! (Laughter) A new subdivision, make a note! Ha ha ha! Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Gramada.

DONNA M: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

CATHY: I’m Cathy F, the other Cathy, and this is my son Patrick. We’d like the same information for both of us.

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Felicia, F-E-L-I-C-I-A (fell EE see ah). And your impression?

CATHY: Well, I’ve guessed Sumafi before and then I’ve guessed Vold, and then I saw something recently in one of the other sessions that had Milumet, so I kind of ... I wasn’t sure of those two. I could be completely off!

ELIAS: Belonging to Vold; alignment, Milumet. And your impression as to your orientation?

CATHY: I don’t know for sure.

ELIAS: Another intermediate.

CATHY: And what about Patrick?

ELIAS: Essence name, Derricka, D-E-R-R-I-C-K-A (DARE eh kah). And your impression?

CATHY: I think for him Gramada plays a significant role. The other one I couldn’t even begin to guess.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Gramada.

CATHY: I knew Gramada was in there!

ELIAS: And the impression as to orientation?

CATHY: It’s really hard to guess for someone else. (Slight pause)

ELIAS: Common. (Chuckles)

JOY: Hi, I’m Joy, and this is my first time here. I have a question. I’ve been trying to find and experience my own truth, and the ways that I’m doing it are not necessarily aligned with other people’s beliefs about what’s right and wrong, and in so doing I’ve thought that I had to be deceptive or deceive certain people in my life, at least for a certain time period, in order to allow myself to be who I am, who I want to be. But I’ve come into conflict with that sometimes, sometimes maybe guilt or just wondering should I be doing this. Do I need to really be honest with everyone all the time or what?

ELIAS: Honesty is an interesting belief (laughter) and incorporates many different forms. I shall express to you, it is not a matter of being honest or not being honest. It is a matter of allowing yourself to express yourself and to expose, and you may choose what you expose and with whom, but to be exposed with yourself. In this, you shall allow yourself to receive the energies that you want in association with other individuals.

Do not concern yourself with honesty; it is a tricky business! (Laughter) And it is quite relative. Therefore concern yourself with exposure rather than honesty.

Very well, my friends!

LYNDA: Oh, don’t go! (Laughter)

ELIAS: (Humorously) I have important business to attend to! I incorporate a very busy schedule! It is taxing to be involving myself with thousands of individuals simultaneously - correction - millions! (Laughter)

LYNDA: Pardone, mon ami!

ELIAS: For their questions and their issues are so very exhausting - therefore, I must adieu! (Laughter)

To all of you in tremendous affection and encouragement, as always; to each of you individually, I am with you always and I am available always. You need merely ask. I offer freely my energy of supportiveness and great encouragement. And in parting terms to all of you, I may express one encouragement to each of you: you are all ’getting it’! (Cheers and applause) To you all, my dear friends, au revoir.

GROUP: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:40 PM

LYNDA: Oh Mary, Mary, you missed a great session!

MARY: (Throws up her hands) I ALWAYS miss a great session! (Much laughter)

(1) Here is the exercise of outer senses Elias refers to, or the Exercise in Clarity, from Session #122, 9/22/96:

ELIAS: ...Within the beginning elements of this exercise, I shall be asking you to be holding your field of vision, not closing eyes; for you are turning to this attention, this station, this channel. You are noticing and allowing clarity of this channel. Therefore, the purpose is not to be altering your state.

In this, I will ask you to sit comfortably. Focus upon any given object within your room, but do not concentrate intensely upon this object. Allow for your vision to normally encompass the entirety of the room, with one main focal point. Do not strain, and do not force yourselves to be concentrating very hard upon any given object. In this, now tune your consciousness to your senses. Notice your vision. Allow your vision to be as clear as it may possibly be. Tune to your hearing. Notice all of the sounds that occur. Many sounds are occurring that you automatically tune out and pay little attention to. Notice your body, your physical feelings, your body temperature. Notice your sense of touch. The air touches your skin continuously. Your clothing touches your skin. These are all elements that are a part of the clarity of your focus, to which you pay little attention to. Notice smells. You pay little attention to your sense of smell throughout your individual, mundane day. Notice your sense of taste. You view that if you are not consuming something, you are not tasting anything. Your senses are highly tuned, and respond regardless. They incorporate continuous stimulation. You only choose to not be clear upon these senses.

Take a moment to concentrate, unstrained, upon the activity of all of these senses that you incorporate throughout every moment of your physical focus. (Here there is a ninety second pause)

Now, I will be instructing each of you to be closing your eyes and allowing your attention to drift. Do not be focusing upon your outer senses, so to speak. Allow yourself to feel comfortable, and calm, and quiet. (Here there is a thirty second pause) Enough drifting!

You will notice that with your eyes closed, you will drift. You have experienced, within your attempts at meditation at times, difficulty in holding your focus. You experience, much of your time within your dream state, an inability to hold your focus and manipulate within that focus. This exercise of tuning your directed attention, your consciousness which is tuned to this channel, will be very helpful to you in instructional areas of developing your ability to be manipulating within alternate channels. Altered states, as you term these, are all alternate channels. If you hold the ability to consciously manipulate within the consciousness that holds your attention, you will more easily learn to manipulate and understand within alternate channels of consciousness. Therefore, throughout this week, until our next meeting, I shall offer you the opportunity for what you would term to be homework! I shall be instructing you to be practicing this exercise three times within each of your days. You may incorporate this exercise at any given moment, for your eyes are open, and you are attentive to all those individuals around you and also any activity that you may be engaging, for you are tuning your consciousness more clearly. You are not drifting. You are not placing yourself into an altered state. Therefore, this exercise will not be interrupting of your normal activity.

In this, incorporate one time for initiating this exercise within your evening time, while you are relaxed at your home, individually. Therefore, you may follow your directed ’tuning in’ to your attention channel by closing your eyes and allowing yourself to drift. In this, while you are allowing yourself to drift, you may incorporate this action briefly, only within a time element to be noticing those events that are occurring. This may be color flashes, it may be feelings, it may be scenes. You may incorporate visualizations. You may incorporate mental images, as you term these. You may find yourself incorporating thoughts ’slinging’ by you rapidly. Notice what occurs.

Do not concentrate intensely upon the experience. It is only an exercise. It is unnecessary to be very serious and directed! You may incorporate this as fun, and it may be brief. It is not necessary for you to be setting aside hours of your time and very directedly concentrating on accomplishing! It is more important for you to be tuning consciously, eyes open, to the awareness that you are familiar with; for as you learn to be directed, and manipulating within that directedness, you shall also learn to be directing within alternate realities.

I express to you that you may be manipulating within your clarity; for what you have experienced presently within this exercise is only noticing. As our week progresses and you are incorporating this exercise, you may attempt to manipulate these senses. Allow the clarity of your hearing, and then intentionally turn it off. Allow the clarity of your sense of smell, and then disengage. Allow yourselves the opportunity to view your own ability to manipulate your own consciousness and its functions; for in this, you may much more easily recognize how to be manipulating when encountering different events within alternate focuses.

(2) Refer to , 3/15/03, the Vermont group session.

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