Wednesday, April 2, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Marcos (Marta)

Elias arrives at 12:09 PM. (Arrival time is 17 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

MARCOS: Good afternoon, Elias! It’s great to talk to you again.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And how shall we proceed?

MARCOS: I’ve got some things I just want to talk to you about and a couple of questions. First of all, a few months ago I was in Arizona. That was you in that wheelchair driving by, wasn’t it? (Elias chuckles) That intense look carries so many things within it, doesn’t it?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. (Laughs)

MARCOS: It’s not just the deep blue eyes, but the best word I can find is the intensity of that look. There were so many messages in that, and it was just a great feeling. I think about that a lot because I still have that impression of that look. It was just wonderful to see you, I guess. (Elias laughs) So thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. It does snap your attention, does it not?

MARCOS: Oh, it certainly does! My god, “snap” is putting it mildly. It’s still there. It’s so intense, so strong, so interesting. It’s one of those things that stays with you, and that’s what’s nice about it. It’s not the fact that I saw Elias — that’s a very strong momentary kind of thing. But all of that communication that goes with that look...

ELIAS: Yes.

MARCOS: ...that’s what’s nice about it because it just stays with you for a long time. (Elias laughs) So that was very, very cool.

I’ve never asked you if I’m religious, political, emotionally focused. My impression is that I’m politically focused, right?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARCOS: In that context, not asking you what politically focused means, but to me within my orientation, can you give me a little more information as to how that plays along with my intermediate orientation?

ELIAS: It is more closely associated with the processing of a thought-focused individual but incorporating more of the expressions and processing of an emotionally focused individual than does a thought-focused individual. Therefore, in your particular focus, the manner in which you process information is more associated with the type of process that is generated by a thought-focused individual, but you do incorporate many expressions and manners of processing information that are quite similar to an emotionally focused individual.

MARCOS: That makes a lot of sense because I’ve been thinking about this for some time. The doubts that I had, in a sense were initially, way back when, I thought I was thought-focused and then at times I thought I was emotionally focused. After a while, I just kind of let it go, and then it was very clear that I was political. It’s very clear from what you’re saying there.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARCOS: Let me go on to my next question. I’ve been doing a lot of, I guess, thinking is one way to put it, as far as creation in terms of desires versus wants. I know that Castille has asked you about that a little bit. But there’s one situation here that I would like some help on clarification.

As you know, a little over a year ago I left my job and I decided to do something different, and one of those things was to just kind of hang out and not get into the work-force again and try to create wealth differently, more effortlessly, perhaps more internally, and I think also taking into account the fact that I was allowing some things to happen in a patient way and so on.

Sort of at the end of last year, I started getting impatient and I started pushing some things, like this particular business with my brother up in Arizona. At the same time, there has been this sort of possibility out there with a debit card and some other products in the Hispanic market. That seems to me to be more of a desire, whereas the other situation with my brother it seemed to me that I’ve been pushing a want, because at times I get a little bit afraid at night and say, “Oh my god, I have to get a job! I haven’t worked in over a year!” and then in the morning I rationalize things differently and I feel okay, generally. But there are still times when I’m battling my own belief system of work and creation of money and things like that.

So I guess after this spiel, my question is this other situation within the Hispanic market, that’s a desire that I don’t even think about. Yet it keeps coming back; I keep getting information from other associates. Is that the way it works? In other words, is that something that’s being created because of my desire, and is this other situation with my brother something that I was pushing because of a want?

ELIAS: Let me clarify. In this, you are moving in the direction of the desires. But do not discount the wants, for although they may appear at times to be less clear, they generally do follow some aspect of your desire, unless you are generating a severe miscommunication with yourself. But generally speaking, most individuals generate wants that are associated in some manner with their desire.

Now; as you generate different wants and you move your direction in association with those wants, you may be creating different experiences such as what you have offered in relation to your interaction with your sibling and that business. What is significant for you to view is what you are actually doing, for in this situation you have offered yourself a stepping-stone, so to speak. You have moved yourself into certain experiences with your brother that have opened different avenues for you to explore in the manner of a type of stepping stone, allowing you to move in increments into a trust of yourself and allowing you a time framework in which you would allow your energy and therefore allow yourself to create imagery to present the identification of other directions that are expressed as a want but are also in association with your desire. Are you understanding?

MARCOS: Perfectly. I think that’s why sometimes I felt that impatience and the need to do something, rather than just sit and wait for something to happen.

ELIAS: It is not a question of sitting and waiting, Marta. It is a question of allowing and paying attention and not forcing energy.

Now; you are also correct that in this time framework you have generated this forcing of energy at times, and in that expression you also generate physical manifestations.

MARCOS: Physical manifestations being...?

ELIAS: Being those of physical affectingnesses of your body consciousness to be expressing a communication to yourself to pay attention and notice that you are pushing or forcing your energy. In responsiveness to that communication you would be discontinuing the physical affectingness, but in non-responsiveness you continue the physical affectingness.

MARCOS: I understand now. That’s exactly right. So that leads me to my next question, and that ties in perfectly. I can now see very clearly how that pushing creates those affectingnesses, if you will.

Now, this last creation of mine — my impression was that that had more to do with my issues with personal responsibility and such, rather than the subject we’ve been discussing. But taking that further, given the fact that I created something which is in the area of the heart or close to it, my impression had been that I’ve been putting a lot of energy there within the last years with the separation and the divorce issue and the stuff we’ve talked about with Isabel. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

Now; what communication have you offered to yourself in creating this particular physical affectingness?

MARCOS: (Sighs) Well, that’s the $64,000 question. I’ve been forcing myself to think — which is not the way to do it, I know that. When I let it flow, when I try to still myself and listen to myself, one of the things that I communicate to myself is that it’s okay, that — it’s kind of repetitive in a sense — that nothing’s really going to happen.

In a strange way, I’ve been putting all these difficult emotions in this area because I have a big heart and because I love these individuals and because it’s kind of like that’s where — I’m not sure how to say this, Elias — but that’s where I won’t do as much harm to myself or where I can place these difficult feelings that I have many times and they’ll be okay. I’m not sure if I’m making sense.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

MARCOS: It gives me the necessary time so that I can continue to listen and relax and look more to myself. I know that I have been making a lot of progress in that, in saying, “Make decisions for and about yourself, and the others will take care of themselves.”

ELIAS: Correct.

MARCOS: That doesn’t happen a hundred percent of the time though, as you well know. It’s other times where the old belief systems have a great power and grip on me, and then I have to relax and sort of get away from underneath them.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARCOS: But I’m still not a hundred percent clear as to that particular tumor that’s there and its meaning in this particular moment.

ELIAS: It is a manifestation that you are generating as a focal point and a type of trigger — a type of gauge, if you will.

Now; in time frameworks in which you are generating doubt of yourself and not trusting yourself and not clearly paying attention to yourself, you generate a larger expression of this particular manifestation. In those time frameworks, you notice it more and you begin to pay more attention to yourself. In time frameworks in which you are paying attention to yourself, it lessens in mass.

Now; there are significant movements that are occurring within your directions. In this, you are moving yourself into more of an expression of genuinely noticing and paying attention to yourself. But you continue to attempt, in a manner of speaking, to eliminate emotional communications in like manner to eliminating beliefs, rather than receiving communications and accepting beliefs.

As you have stated, at times you allow yourself choice but at other times you perceive yourself to be gripped by your beliefs. In these time frameworks in which you experience that grip, this is your opportunity and this is your point of power, rather than how you perceive it as your point of powerlessness. In actuality, in those moments you present to yourself the opportunity to genuinely listen to your communications, examine the influence of your beliefs and express choice rather than automatic response, and this is accomplished by paying attention to what you are actually doing.

Now; let me also clarify a point with you, for I am aware that at times you attempt also to deny your thoughts, and you express a judgment upon yourself if you are what you assess to be thinking too much. Let me explain to you, thought is a mechanism. It moves continuously. Just as your heart beats, just as your lungs breathe, just as your nervous system fires messages neurologically to generate movement within your physical body, thought is a mechanism also and it is continuously occurring and its function is significant. Its function is to interpret or to translate information that you offer to yourself through communications which are continuously occurring; therefore, your thought processes are also continuously expressing.

It is not a matter of not thinking or ignoring your thought process, but allowing yourself to move your attention in flexibility, paying attention to what you are choosing and to what you are communicating to yourself, and therefore offering more accurate information to your thought mechanism that it may translate more accurately for you the information that it is receiving. This is the challenge, for this is the unfamiliar movement which is involved. In this action, as I have stated, paying attention to what you are actually doing in a continuous manner is important, for whatever you are doing is your objective expression of what you are choosing.

Now; your thoughts do not always translate accurately. Therefore, you may be thinking that you are generating one direction and you may actually be creating another. But as I have stated, thought may only translate what you offer to it in information, and how you offer it information is by moving your attention. If your attention is not focused upon what you are actually doing, which is what you are choosing, and if it is not focused upon all of your communications, it does not offer accurate information to the thought mechanism, and therefore the thought mechanism generates translations of what it knows, what is familiar to it, and may draw upon previous experiences to be translating, for it is not being offered information concerning the now — or it may speculate as to future experiences, but that is not a translation of what is occurring now either; it is merely an anticipation or speculation.

Now; in this, as you pay attention to what you are generating now and allow yourself to genuinely listen and become familiar with your preferences, paying attention to you, not concerning yourself as you have — which is very familiar to you — with the choices and expressions of other individuals, you also change what you express physically in affectingness within your body consciousness.

This manifestation that you have created, as I have stated, is to be likened to a gauge. In the time frameworks in which you are forcing your energy and you are projecting your energy outside of yourself and concerning yourself with the choices and the expressions of other individuals and attempting to alter your expressions to be accommodating of other individuals’ directions, you generate this manifestation in more of an intensity, which also actually alters its size. In time frameworks in which you allow yourself to relax and you pay attention to you, you diminish its size and its affectingness.

MARCOS: That’s fascinating! The first day that I went to see the doctor last week, the size was quite large, so he was correct then.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARCOS: Then yesterday when I saw the second one and it’s very small, it’s not that the first doctor was wrong.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARCOS: Oh my gosh, this is perfect because now that you’ve clarified this for me, I can listen to that gauge.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARCOS: Oh my god, this is so cool! (Elias laughs) I had to go through this whole process of creating this...

ELIAS: Your initial physician, Marta, was not incorrect in his assessment of what you have created — he was quite accurate — and your physician that you engage now is also accurate. There is no inconsistency, and one is not wrong and one is not right. They are both correct. It is YOU that is affecting of this manifestation and changing it.

MARCOS: It makes all the sense in the world now! I knew that I was creating it. Both experiences I knew I was creating. I was just not listening, I think is the best way to put it, because I could have figured this out. But then I wouldn’t be talking objectively to you (Elias laughs) and it wouldn’t have been so pleasurable, in that sense. This is great, because it does clarify a lot of things for me that are tied together with this conversation and the different issues with the pushing of the energy and the different creations, etcetera.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; pay attention also, for it is quite significant to be recognizing your preferences and understanding that preferences change. They are not absolutes and they are not what you term to be constants. They may be expressed in a continuous manner within a particular time framework but they are not absolute, and they change.

In this, it is important to be recognizing what your preferences are, and this is more challenging than you realize. For individuals, yourself also, do confuse themselves in association with an inaccurate thought translation and may think that they incorporate a preference in association with other individuals’ expressions and therefore may be generating choices in association with that belief and that translation, but are not necessarily recognizing their own individual preferences.

MARCOS: I’m just thinking about what you’re saying, and thinking of different instances where that’s been happening, too. It’s also very helpful because I keep getting that reflection back from different individuals, which is exactly what you’re saying.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARCOS: Preferences do change, and I think I’m okay with it. Yet sometimes I think about them, and I make those inaccurate translations as to what my preference is or is not at the time. In fact, this is a very good tip.

ELIAS: This is why it is significant to be genuinely paying attention to what you are choosing AND what your communications are to yourself in those choices. For recognize that all that you do, all that you express within this reality is influenced by beliefs, and your preferences are also influenced by beliefs. But as I have stated, within themselves beliefs are neutral. As you recognize your preferences and are accepting of that and accepting of the beliefs that influence those preferences, it also offers you the opportunity to be recognizing that those are not absolutes — they are individual to you and they are your preferences, but may not necessarily apply to other individuals. They may incorporate different preferences, which is acceptable also. This is what is meant in the statement that you may be accepting beliefs but also continue to express your opinion and your preferences and not be expressing judgment. This is not inconsistent and it is quite accomplishable.

In this, as you pay attention to what you are generating, what choices you are expressing, you also shall offer yourself communications in association with those choices. If you are generating a choice that is NOT associated with your preferences and is NOT associated with what you want, you shall generate an immediate communication in some manner to identify that to yourself. If you are generating choices that, let us say, are not necessarily associated with your preferences but are not associated with what you do not want, you may experience a neutrality and therefore shall not generate much communication in association with those choices. If you are generating choices in association with your preferences and your wants and accomplishing a free expression of that, you shall generate communications in validation of yourself.

Therefore, the key is to pay attention more fully to what you do and what you communicate to yourself together, and subsequently allow yourself to move your attention to the translation of thought.

MARCOS: I’ve been reading the transcripts and I’ve been meditating on this, which you’ve mentioned many times, but it really wasn’t as clear to me as it is just now.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and I may express to you that I am aware that I am repeating this information quite frequently. But I am also aware that most individuals to this point now have not quite assimilated this concept yet and have not quite generated a clear understanding of what I am expressing to you. Therefore, for the most part, you move into the familiar expressions and continue to attempt to evaluate through thought and continue to express thought in association with creating, but simultaneously thinking within yourselves that this is not what you are doing, which is also a clear example of the inaccuracy of thought if it is not being offered information.

Now; the point is to generate all of these mechanisms in harmony and therefore create an efficiency within them, to hone your thoughts to be generating accurate and precise translations of what your choices are, what your direction is, what you want, what your communications are and what you are actually doing, rather than generating a reliance on thought to create your reality or a suspicion of thought that it is leading you astray, for it does not generate either of those actions. Therefore, what is significant is to be more clearly expressing that mechanism in a more efficient manner.

If you are a runner, you incorporate the most efficient methods of breathing to allow yourself the optimal expression of running, correct?

MARCOS: Correct.

ELIAS: If you wish to be incorporating your thoughts in their most effective manner, does it not behoove you to be practicing creating moving your attention to communications to offer it more accurate information and therefore, in your terms, develop it to a more efficient capacity?

MARCOS: Absolutely. I can see it in my mind’s eye. I can see exactly what you’re describing. Sometimes I have a hard time putting things into words, but I can see it in my mind’s eye. I can perfectly visualize the function of the thought process vis-à-vis the other parts and senses, both outer and inner senses, of our bodies.

ELIAS: Correct. In this, you develop different expressions or skills to be generating an efficiency in your expressions of them, and thought is no different. It is an objective mechanism which may be highly accurate and beneficial, for it is a communicating translator which, in association with objective awareness, is a necessary tool. Were it not, you would not have invented it.

MARCOS: That’s absolutely right. (Elias chuckles) This is truly wonderful. I’ve always known that you repeat things for a reason, that you choose the right words. They’re very precise words. But for all the reasons that we’ve talked about over the years, we just keep going back to the familiar, but it’s becoming very clear. I guess just from my perspective I really want to thank you because your patience has not been wasted on me!

ELIAS: (Laughs) I may express to you that it is not wasted in association with any individual, for I am aware of what you are understanding and what you are not understanding. The point is that I continue to speak with you in response to your desires. This is what you want, and I am merely responsive to that.

You each generate your assimilation and your understanding in your unique time framework. But do not discount yourself, for throughout this time framework you have been generating more and more of an awareness and more and more of an understanding and a familiarity with yourself, which is to be acknowledged and valued.

MARCOS: Thank you. I know that that’s the whole point of this. In moments when all of this comes together, the effortlessness of creation is so clear and also so surprising in many ways, you know?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARCOS: I understand it. I want to thank you so much. I think our time is about up, but it’s great. I know that beyond our infrequent objective talks, we do have tremendous communication, especially lately in my dreams.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

Now; I may also express to you, pay attention to the expression of appreciation, my friend, not merely acknowledgment but appreciation. Hold your attention in the now and allow yourself to appreciate what you ARE generating now. In this, recognize the value in all that you create, for although you may create some expressions that may incorporate an uncomfortableness, this is not to say that they do not incorporate value. In this present now, you may begin to appreciate what you have created in association with this physical manifestation near your heart and how it changes and how YOU change it. These are expressions and choices that you are creating in the now, in the moment. They are significant and they are valuable. Allow yourself to appreciate what you have created.

MARCOS: Thank you so much for those words. They really do strike home.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, as always, and I shall continue to be interactive with you, as always! (Laughs) To you, my dear friend, in great lovingness, au revoir.

MARCOS: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 12:55 PM.

(1) A brief definition of wants and desires: “Your desire is your direction which is created in conjunction with your intent. Your want is an objective thought process of elements that you wish to be drawing to yourself or creating.” 3/20/99

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