Thursday, March 27, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jen (Margarite)

Elias arrives at 12:29 PM. (Arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

JEN: Hello, Elias!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) We meet again!

JEN: Yes, sooner than I had anticipated, actually.

ELIAS: And what are you creating in your adventure?

JEN: I feel I’m creating a little bit of trauma. I’m trying not to go in the direction of trauma, but my situation with David feels pretty heavy. I’ve been trying to process a lot of it through my head, but I’m feeling stuck, Elias. I’m feeling beat up. I’m feeling kind of sad and I guess a little scared.

So I have some questions about Dave. What am I mirroring to myself regarding David? Is it the energy potential? I think that’s something I had always felt about him, that he has tremendous energy and he mirrored to me my own potential for energy. But how is it that this energy that’s so intense has just spiraled so far out of control, where it feels violent?

ELIAS: First of all, let me express to you a distinction, for you do generate a reflection from this individual but not necessarily a mirroring. There is a difference. In situations in which individuals may be mirroring to each other, generally speaking, they are generating the same energy in association with the same subjects.

Now; you engage that type of expression with other individuals, but not frequently. For the most part, what you do is you present to yourself reflections.

Now; reflections do offer you information concerning yourself, but they may be more abstract and not precisely the same. Another individual may be expressing an energy which reflects some aspect of yourself, but you may configure it differently. Are you understanding?

JEN: Let’s go into a bit of detail with Dave on that. I think that the energy that I’m sensing in reflection is creativity and volume of energy.

ELIAS: And powerful.

JEN: Would you agree that those are aspects within me?

ELIAS: Yes, but you express them differently. There is a strong reflection in the powerfulness in which this individual expresses himself. For you incorporate that powerfulness also, but you do not always allow yourself to express it or even to view it.

JEN: It’s power when we get into a fight and I pick up a hat and slap him over the head with it? Is that what you mean by powerful?

ELIAS: No. What I am expressing is a power in energy in expressing your freedom.

JEN: Power in expressing my freedom. That’s different.

ELIAS: Correct, in paying attention to yourself and allowing yourself to express your freedom in association with your preferences and what you want, and not concerning yourself with the choices of the other individual.

JEN: Even though that’s causing some trauma in the other individual, or that’s not what the other individual wants?

ELIAS: It matters not.

JEN: I was just going to ask, “Who the fuck cares?”

ELIAS: (Laughs) Obviously you do!

JEN: Obviously! (Elias laughs) But that’s the problem! I’ve got to work on moving away from this. I’m trying to understand, Elias, why there’s such a strong pull to this individual. Maybe the pull is done now. It’s been nine months since this individual’s been in my life, and maybe it’s run its course. I don’t know.

ELIAS: What you are communicating to yourself? What do you feel? For this is your signal.

JEN: Right now I’m feeling real sad. I miss him. I miss my expectations of him, I guess.

ELIAS: Which are...?

JEN: Having fun together, cooking great meals together, laughing, intellectual stimulation, going out and partying, sex — those pieces. I don’t miss the discounting. As I reflect back, I sense that I allowed myself to discount myself a lot in that relationship, whether it was when he kicked me out of his apartment for something really kind of silly or a lot of the comments that he would make that made me feel demeaned on some levels. I don’t understand how I’ve made such progress in checking in with myself and being there for me and how I allowed myself to be so heavily discounted.

ELIAS: For you moved your attention away from you, and your attention has been focused more so upon the other individual and his expressions.

Now; what have you actually created? First of all, you have created a scenario in which you credit the other individual with your expressions, which is dangerous.

JEN: Can you elaborate a little bit on that, “with my expressions”?

ELIAS: Yes. Listen to what you have expressed to me in what you miss.

Now; in this...

JEN: You mean the playfulness?

ELIAS: Not necessarily playfulness. More specifically, you miss, in your terms, the expressions that you allowed yourself in association with that individual. You allowed yourself that playfulness. You allowed yourself expressions of sexuality and intimacy. You allowed yourself to express yourself, and that is what you miss. But you credit that to him, that he allowed you to be playful, that he brings out these qualities in you.

JEN: Right, they already exist.

ELIAS: Correct, and it is a matter of whether YOU choose to express them. Let me express to you, in actuality, this type of scenario occurs more frequently than you may be aware of (and) with many individuals. For you are very accustomed to paying attention to the other individual and not to yourself, especially in association with romantic relationships.

JEN: Is this a theme for me? It seems like I’ve been leaning heavily on men in my life to some degree.

ELIAS: Somewhat, yes. For you incorporate an admiration of their expression of powerfulness.

JEN: Oh god, I’m screwed!

ELIAS: Not necessarily. In actuality, in crediting yourself for your expressions rather than crediting the other individual, and moving your attention to you and allowing yourself your freedom, you project outwardly a very different type of energy, which actually changes your reality. And I may express to you quite definitely, it also changes the expression of the other individual.

JEN: But Elias, it seems like we’ve had such trauma, Dave and I.

ELIAS: I am not expressing to you an advocacy to be continuing in this relationship. I am merely offering you information concerning yourself.

JEN: Do you think I should continue in this relationship?

ELIAS: It matters not. It is a choice. (Jen sighs) What matters is what you want.

JEN: That brings me to my next question. You know, I assume, that we not only were working on an intimate relationship but we were working on a business relationship. Now he seems to be moving in the direction of being litigious and non-communicative. Yet there’s a part of me that thinks I could still hold a business relationship with him, and I’m very concerned as to why I want to do that. I know there’s a part of me that thinks Dave is very creative. I see the powerful energy; I know I hold that powerful energy as well. Yet I also know, through our business dealings, there was a lot of contentiousness. There was a lot of butting of heads.

I really am not clear within self as to why I would want to continue a business relationship, other than I think that there is potential for success with that. But why would I want to subject myself to contentiousness? That seems to me that I’m again discounting myself or I’m again not honoring my power, that I feel like I need to give my power to him on some levels.

ELIAS: But this is the point. You are presenting to yourself a challenge.

Now; in examination of what you want, if you express to myself that you want to be continuing in a business relationship with this individual, I express to you that your challenge is to genuinely move your attention to you and not match energy.

JEN: How do I know when I’m trying to... Oh, the matching energy of the contentious part?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: Then moving my attention to me, even though the contentiousness might come up, is not necessarily acting on it, or just noticing how my energy might be trying to leave me and pulling it back into me?

ELIAS: Correct, partially. But also enacting your power in your choices and not being dissuaded in differences, not...

JEN: I think you’ve got to be somewhat aware as to how intense this person is, so when I hold a difference it’s a battle!

ELIAS: I am understanding. But remember, if it is a battle, you have created that.

JEN: So enacting my power and my choices and not giving my power away, would that be a fair way to say it?

ELIAS: In your terms, yes.

JEN: And by being the straight little sapling, the other individual will react in kind?

ELIAS: Yes, for you are not attempting to change the other individual’s choices, you are not expressing judgment in association with the other individual’s choices, you are not matching energy with the other individual, and you are not concerning yourself with the expressions of the other individual. You are paying attention to YOU and therefore allowing yourself to be aware of how you are configuring your energy and what you shall receive and what you shall not.

Regardless of the energy that another individual may project, it is your choice how you shall receive that energy and how you shall configure it. Once again, I am aware that this is a very difficult concept, but it is quite real. You create all of your reality, even the other individual. What you interact with is an energy projection, but what is expressed as the actual individual is YOUR creation. Therefore, you incorporate the power and the ability and the choice of how you shall construct that.

JEN: It seems that with David I’ve given myself quite a few signs, if you will. It seems that the signs get bigger and a little bit louder, and that seems to indicate to me that it is trauma. It holds the trauma, and I don’t want trauma in my life! I want my life to flow, and it has been flowing. I have met some wonderful people down here, and I’m really just trying to figure out whether I want to keep this person in my life or not.

I think I can create the option to cut all the ties tomorrow; there’s a lawyer meeting tomorrow. I have choices, and I know it’s not necessarily black and white. I’m trying to see how those choices can manifest. But I’m also struck by the amount of signs that I’ve been giving myself and the amount of discounting that I’ve allowed for myself.

ELIAS: Which is worthy of your attention.

JEN: Yeah, in a big way! I’ve gotten this far with my own development in this field. It’s like I’m regressing, almost. I feel like I’m taking a couple of steps backwards and not honoring me. That feels really scary, that I wouldn’t honor me, that I would put someone ahead of me maybe because I don’t want to feel lonely and I really don’t know that many people down here. I’m feeling really vulnerable right now and kind of in a less powerful place than I would like. I’m also feeling like this tremendous sadness about how I ended the relationship — it didn’t feel very kind — and all that stuff.

ELIAS: I am understanding. In this, allow yourself to genuinely examine your communications to yourself AND your motivation. Is your motivation for continuing in a business relationship to be soothing what you view to have been a negative expression and to be calming yourself and generating more of a feeling of acceptance of yourself, for you have in some manner generated a type of apology? Or are you motivated for you think you must be acknowledging of this individual and his abilities, for you were discounting of him previously? This is all justification.

JEN: Which are not necessarily the best reasons to embark on a relationship.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: I think both of what you just mentioned — the calming of self and apology to Dave, acknowledging the skills that I believe he holds — I think those are real. I’ve said very objectively that I think that Dave has tremendous abilities to create and I think I do too, and together it seems like we could be a very powerful team. I don’t know whether I go in that direction because of ego, because of a need to prove myself and/or to prove Dave.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: I think that a part of the whole notion was because I thought these business ventures would create a certain financial flexibility and provide for me without having a nine-to-five job. So there’s sort of like the whole belief system of doing a different kind of business, if you will.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but this is not the only individual that you may engage in that venture.

JEN: You mean the other individual that I’ve met down here may be a potential as well?

ELIAS: There are many other individuals that you may be generating this type of venture with, if you are so choosing. What I am expressing to you is that this one individual is not the only individual that you may be engaging with in association with this type of venture.

In this, it is significant that you examine your motivation and recognize when you are expressing that justification, for THAT is a discounting of you once again.

JEN: The aspect where I think I need to acknowledge the skills that David holds is a discounting of self?

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: Even though I see how my skills and my talents... It’s funny — as I say that, I think of the battles that we’ve had in just writing a business proposal. My god, we fought for half an hour over what font to use! (Elias chuckles) Why am I allowing myself to discount myself so much, Elias, when I’ve had such energy?

ELIAS: I have responded to this question — for you are moving your attention outside of yourself and you are focusing your attention upon the other individual.

Now; what occurs in that action is that if the other individual generates any expression that you are not in agreement with, you move your energy expression into that of proving and matching energy to be gaining approval, for you are not offering it to yourself. Therefore, you generate the conflict as a manner of falsely enacting your power as a disguise but not actually expressing your power; rather, discounting yourself and defending yourself.

JEN: Based on what we’ve just said in the last fifteen, twenty minutes, it doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot of reasons for me to go into a business relationship with Dave.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Now you may be listening to you.

JEN: How much do you think I’ve been seeing Dave through these rose-colored lenses versus trying to change him?

ELIAS: I would not express to you an identification that you have been attempting to change him. What I may identify to you is that you have incorporated what may be viewed as two relationships simultaneously — one with the actual individual and one with your ideal of the individual, which almost becomes a second individual, for it is so strong.

JEN: I had a very strong ideal Dave.

ELIAS: Yes, and that is the individual which you wish to be interactive with. But that is your invented individual.

JEN: I put a lot of energy into that individual.

ELIAS: I am aware.

JEN: But isn’t my incorporation of that ideal also — I don’t know if it’s a mirror — but also an indication to me of my own expressions?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: Like what we started talking about — the cooking and the partying, blah, blah, blah.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: That’s pretty eye-opening. I’m really interested in the fear that I experienced with this individual. I’ve never really felt scared by anyone before, and I felt scared by Dave a couple times. I’m not real sure what that’s about. Is that just extreme discounting of self?

ELIAS: Yes, and an extreme in projecting your attention.

JEN: From myself?

ELIAS: Yes, which has generated an expression within you of not being in control.

JEN: Here’s a question for you. In this life, I want to feel vulnerable to someone, Elias. I think one of the reasons I found myself attracted to Dave was because he held so much energy, whereas with Tim my energy could kind of roll right over him. With Dave it couldn’t so much, and I found that to be attractive because I felt like in some ways this man could protect me or I could allow myself to drop my shield a little bit. I’m just wondering, am I really off-base in my thinking about what being vulnerable is? It doesn’t seem to me like... Vulnerable is not discounting self.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: Vulnerable and feeling in love with someone is feeling like I can drop my shield and I can drop all of that.

ELIAS: And you may express yourself freely, you may generate your choices, you offer yourself the freedom of the expression of your power, and you express a genuine openness. THIS is vulnerability — openness.

JEN: Genuine openness.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: I don’t think I’ve ever felt it in my life yet, Elias.

ELIAS: I may express to you, there are many individuals that have not yet experienced that.

JEN: Would you equate vulnerability to what love is — appreciation and knowing?

ELIAS: I would not equate that with love. But I may express to you that to be genuinely expressing love, that openness and that expression of vulnerability is almost a prerequisite. For if you are not expressing that openness, you also shall not allow yourself a genuine appreciation and knowing. How shall you know if you are not open?

JEN: To be genuinely expressing love, you have to have the expression of vulnerability to be able to experience that.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: Okay. (Sighs) This is helpful. I think I’m getting a little clearer as to this situation. I was going in the direction of feeling like maybe I didn’t push myself hard enough in this relationship to drop my shield. Maybe I didn’t drop my shield because the choosing part of me was able to see that this wasn’t someone you can drop your shield with.

ELIAS: And this is also worthy of your attention. You are offering yourself communications. Pay attention.

JEN: That’s what I was asking you earlier. It seems like I have been offering myself communications from probably the onset of our relationship, before we were objectively spending time together, and yet I didn’t... I don’t know. I don’t want to beat myself up for the fact that I didn’t get out of this sooner, but there was a high to me on some levels, Elias.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this has been your payoff. But also it has offered you the opportunity to become much more familiar with you and your preferences and what you value, which is significant.

JEN: Yes. The whole situation has made me more aware of me.

ELIAS: Yes.

Now; in this, as you allow yourself exposure, you also shall generate what you want in association with relationships.

JEN: How so? Because I’m getting clearer as to what I want?

ELIAS: Not merely that you generate more clarity in association with what you want, but in expressing an openness and allowing yourself to expose yourself, you generate a trust and an acceptance within yourself and you dissipate fear. This projects an energy which is quite attractive to other individuals. It is recognized immediately. You all are quite attracted to energy expressions that any individual may project that incorporate those qualities of openness, exposure, vulnerability, for to be expressing in those manners requires trust.

JEN: That’s true, though I have to say maybe where I’m at right now, I’m feeling a little vulnerable, and that feels more like fear than trust and acceptance of self.

ELIAS: I am aware.

JEN: But what you’re saying is to take that and be moving into the place of trusting and accepting self.

ELIAS: Correct, and therefore dissipating that fear.

JEN: I’m kind of curious — as I go forward here and I try to unwind the start of a business relationship, what input can you give me so that that situation doesn’t become traumatic?

ELIAS: The same as I have offered previously. Hold your attention upon you and be aware in the now. Do not project your attention pastly in association with previous experiences, do not project futurely in anticipation of what might be, but hold your attention strongly in the now and pay attention to your communications that you are expressing to yourself. Do not become distracted with the other individuals.

JEN: It’s not going to be an easy meeting tomorrow, I don’t think.

ELIAS: This would be your choice.

JEN: Okay — it’s going to be a really simple meeting and we’re going to dissolve this damn thing and move on.

ELIAS: It is a matter of how you project and your perception. Your perception is changeable and your attention is moveable. It is your choice. Empower yourself and offer yourself permission to generate your choices, your expression. Be mindful; do not match energy. As you in any moment notice yourself beginning to match energy, stop and remind yourself that that is an action of discounting yourself. It is defense, it is discounting and it is justifying. It is unnecessary for you to express any of those.

JEN: This person seems to have such a big impact in my life, Elias. I’ve got to ask whether we’ve shared more than just the Morocco focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: Always as lovers, husband and wife, or maybe not husband and wife but intimate relationship, or want to have intimate relationship?

ELIAS: Not all of your focuses together are romantic relationships, but most of your relationships with this individual are intimate.

JEN: How many have we had? Not in all my focuses — please tell me not in all of them!

ELIAS: No. Seventeen.

JEN: God, man, I wish I didn’t feel so sad about this whole thing melting down. I wish I didn’t feel like I missed him. I know what you’re saying is that maybe I’m not missing HIM so much. Maybe I’m just not dialing into the aspects of self. But he was someone that I spent a lot of time with here, and now I kind of feel like on some levels I’m starting over down here. I suppose I could look at it as a fresh opportunity. I have met some great people. Maybe I just need to pay attention to what I’m creating. But trying to get through the sadness and this feeling of vulnerability and the sense of loss — god, it’s so consuming! It feels like something’s eating away at me. It’s awful!

ELIAS: I am understanding, but I may express to you, this genuinely is not concerning the other individual. It is an expression that you are generating within you in association with your own perceived loss. Not the loss of the other individual, but of your perceived loss of your own expressions.

JEN: Oh, those expressions that I articulated earlier? You’re saying maybe I’m thinking I don’t think hold those anymore?

ELIAS: Not necessarily that you do not incorporate them, but your perception is — which is your reality — that you need to be in involvement with another individual to allow yourself those freedoms.

JEN: And now I’m not, and hence the sadness.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: You mean if I go in the direction of creating it with another individual, is there a likelihood that I’m then discounting myself by going in that direction?

ELIAS: No.

JEN: Good. Because it’s my choice, right?

ELIAS: Correct. But it is not the individual, my friend. It may be a hundred individuals. It may be one individual within one day, another individual within another day. It may be the same individual. This is not the point. The other individual is not the point. The point is that you are missing your own expressions of your freedom and your preferences. You are generating a perception that you cannot express those preferences if you are not generating some type of relationship with another individual in association with your beliefs of a romantic committed relationship.

JEN: One thing that I’ve been thinking about is I’ve created someone else down here that I would like to explore a relationship with. But I’m also really clear that I want that to be a light relationship and that it’s not going to be some heavy-duty intense thing. I have every intention, if I allow it to go in that direction — meaning that we start to become intimate, because we’re not — to articulate that.

ELIAS: Very well.

JEN: Creating the playfulness and creating the fun but not creating the seriousness and the intensity that wound up happening with Dave, where I did allow myself discounting of self and diminished amounts of freedom and so forth.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: So at tomorrow’s meeting I just need to be... I really want to focus in on the now and be focusing on myself, not matching energy and stopping when I notice that I’m doing that.

ELIAS: Correct.

JEN: Will you be with me tomorrow?

ELIAS: I shall! (Chuckles)

JEN: I really thank you for your support, Elias. It means a lot to me.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend, and it is always with you.

JEN: I want to ask you one question while I got you. I am working on this paper that’s on Jean-Jacques Rousseau, the French philosopher. Did you know him in your focus?

ELIAS: Of him.

JEN: I am trying to incorporate what I believe are the ways I’d like to see our country be. It really kind of comes back to a lot of the stuff that you talked to me and all of us about, which is the trust and acceptance of self and the personal freedom, and the notion that we can have tremendous freedom as individuals without creating what some might call anarchy. I don’t think that we’ve ever experienced that in our dimension, other than maybe when we were first on this planet — the notion that we can be free as individuals, trusting and accepting self and creating our reality and all these basic tenets. I was just curious if you have anything to say about this paper and the direction that I’m thinking of going, and whether or not this is, I don’t want to say viable, but...

You’ve mentioned to me before about tremendous potential for energy, and you know what, Elias? I know have a tremendous energy within self, and quite frankly I’m really not sure where to direct it. Maybe this paper’s part of it, maybe it’s not, but I just wanted to take a couple of minutes and throw it out your way.

ELIAS: This is another aspect of your exploration. I am aware that you have not yet defined all of your preferences and therefore have not yet defined precisely what direction you wish to be endeavoring in this time framework. But I may express to you that this paper, so to speak, is another aspect of your exploration, allowing yourself to express yourself and also generating more clarity as to what are your individual expressed beliefs, what energy do you project, and what your preferences are, which DOES offer you more information and does generate somewhat more clarity also in your direction. Therefore, I may express to you an encouragement.

JEN: It sounds like I need to spend more time though — and maybe it’s all about paying attention — in terms of figuring out my direction. It seems to me that being here in New Orleans is significant.

ELIAS: Yes!

JEN: It seems like there’s a lot of energy in New Orleans.

ELIAS: Yes, and in association with yourself presently, yes, you are correct.

JEN: Sometimes I just feel like such a lost little puppy. I’m not following the conventionality, which I’m fine with. I’m getting divorced, I’m moving, and some might say I’m regressing in my life. I play more than I ever have.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I may be acknowledging of you, my friend, and I may express to you, Margarite, you are NOT regressing! (Laughs)

JEN: Is there a correlation between my name being Margarite and the fact that I like margaritas?

ELIAS: (Laughs) That would be for you to answer!

JEN: Tequila’s a dangerous drug!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Only if you make it so!

JEN: Well, I’ve made it so. There’s no doubt I have made it so. (Elias laughs) I wish I could be on the phone and talk to you for hours. Maybe you could just leave some parting words regarding where I’m at in my journey.

I listened to the tape from when we last met in December and my energy was so high, in a way, and I think so much of it was me being excited about coming down here and connecting with Dave. I feel like I’m in a much different place right now. It’s hard to explain. I’m still really excited and I still feel the energy within self. The challenges with that relationship feel like they’ve sort of set me back a little bit, but maybe I need to look at it as I just offered myself more information about me and what I want.

ELIAS: Yes, you have. Therefore, perhaps you shall accept the suggestion that you discontinue discounting yourself now and allow yourself an acknowledgment of what you HAVE generated and that in actuality you have not created a disappointment to yourself, but you have created accomplishments.

You have offered yourself a significant movement in association with recognizing your power, your strength, your creativity, more of your preferences, MUCH more of an expression of yourself in your freedoms. And you have offered yourself a genuine expression of playfulness — that in itself is a significant movement, Margarite, for you have generated quite a seriousness within your focus. You are allowing yourself to genuinely acknowledge yourself and incorporate fun. This is NOT insignificant.

JEN: Do you think there is the potential — I guess, it probably always exists — that I can have a relationship with Dave at some point where I’m not losing my freedom, where I don’t discount myself?

ELIAS: That would be your choice. But it also would be dependent upon whether you genuinely move your attention to you and do not slip in projecting your attention to him.

JEN: I’m sort of stuck because I think sometimes that the other individual... I know the other individual does not create your reality, but the other individual’s expression of energy can be quite significant, can’t it?

ELIAS: Yes, but as I have stated, the individual of your invention is actually much more powerful than the individual that you interact with physically.

JEN: Who the heck is the person that I’m inventing, then?

ELIAS: That individual, but you are configuring that within yourself as your ideal. THAT is what you incorporate much more affection for.

JEN: The individual that I have expectations for, my imaginary Dave?

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: That’s the one that I’m in love with.

ELIAS: Yes.

JEN: That imaginary Dave, is it also me?

ELIAS: Yes and no. Yes, for with that individual you do allow yourself the expression of your vulnerability and therefore you fulfill what you want.

JEN: So I allow myself to be vulnerable with the imaginary Dave.

ELIAS: Correct, and this is the reason that you express that at times with the actual individual, but not consistently.

JEN: Do you think that all this stuff has had... It’s obviously had an impact on him, but I wonder if it’s had an impact on him to help him grow.

ELIAS: Let me express to you that you both have generated these choices purposefully.

JEN: You said that I can have a relationship with Dave but only if I can keep my attention on myself and not let it slip back to him. Is that how you said it?

ELIAS: Yes, for this individual incorporates a strength in power and is aware of his power and aware of how he projects that energy. Therefore, if you are not expressing your own strength, you shall succumb to the same type of interaction that you have generated previously in conflict, and you shall succumb to your fear.

JEN: So if I don’t hold myself solid — I’m writing — then I’ll succumb to my own fear.

ELIAS: In your terms, yes.

JEN: If this person’s got so much bloody strength and power, why hasn’t he been able to create what he says he wants to create?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And that would be associated with HIS issues.

JEN: True. I guess that’s another session, huh? (Elias laughs) I suppose analyzing Dave doesn’t need to be a focus of mine. I just maybe thought that it would give me a little more clarity, but I guess it’s not important. All righty.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall be anticipating our next meeting.

JEN: I love speaking with you. I just know that sometimes I’m speaking with you because I’m in a... Like this meeting today, which I’m very thankful that it happened right before my meeting tomorrow, is one relating to trauma. You know, Elias, I’m really trying to keep those blocks out of my stream. I’m trying to keep my energy flowing.

ELIAS: I am aware. But realize that your temporary deviation has also been purposeful and it has offered you a volume of information.

JEN: You’re right. Thanks.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I shall continue to express my energy with you and in supportiveness of you.

JEN: Thanks. I really appreciate it.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. As always, I express my tremendous affection for you, Margarite.

JEN: Same.

ELIAS: To you, my friend, au revoir.

JEN: Au revoir, Elias.

Elias departs at 1:29 PM.

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