Sunday, March 23, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Joyce (Irma)

Elias arrives at 12:26 PM. (Arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JOYCE: Good morning! Elias, so now I finally get to talk to you! (Elias laughs) Wish I had you all to myself for about a whole day!

ELIAS: And what would you propose to do with me? (Laughs loudly)

JOYCE: (Laughs) Well, I would pick your brains. I guess the simple stuff I’ll get out of the way first. I’d like to know what my essence family is.

ELIAS: And your impression?

JOYCE: I think I’m Sumafi.

ELIAS: Correct and...?

JOYCE: Sumari?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: That was easy! So what is my essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name, Irma, I-R-M-A.

JOYCE: Golly, I would have never have picked that! (Elias laughs loudly)

Elias, can you enlighten me on what is going on with my son and I, with Eric? I mean, what is our connection? What’s our dynamic?

ELIAS: What is the nature of your concern?

JOYCE: Well, I keep rescuing him. His father and I keep rescuing him financially. I think he’s amazingly gifted and intelligent, and I’m concerned that he isn’t taking care of himself. I just had to plunk down another $750 to rescue him and pay for his rent so he didn’t get thrown out. So that is part of my concern.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

Now; let me express to you that what may be most helpful to you is to be understanding what you are doing and what is influencing your choices, for I may express to you that you do not need to be rescuing this individual. You choose to engage that action, but as you continue to engage that action, you also continue to perpetuate the type of relationship that you are generating with this individual and he receives his payoff. In actuality, so do you. But he also continues to generate the expectation that you shall incorporate this action.

Now; express to myself, what do you view within yourself as influencing of this action that you engage repeatedly?

JOYCE: I’m sorry, I’m having a little trouble hearing you. Are you asking me the question?

ELIAS: Yes. I am inquiring of you what do you view within yourself that influences you to continue in this action.

JOYCE: Number one, my love for him. I want to see him do well. I don’t want to see him out in the street. And it’s kind of like a Catch-22. I knew you were going to tell me it was my choice. (Laughs) However, the wolf was really at the door, and I...

ELIAS: But is this not his choice?

JOYCE: Yes, I see what you’re saying.

ELIAS: This is his choice, my friend. It is not your responsibility in relation to his choices, but there is a dynamic which has been established. He generates expectations of you, and you generate expectations of yourself. What influences this is not what you view to be love. For in a genuine expression of love, this is not to be assuming personal responsibility for the other individual. Therefore, what IS influencing of your participation are your beliefs in association with your role as the parent and your belief which expresses an obligation to your son, as the parent.

You are aware of his expectation, and therefore you also generate expectations of yourself to be compliant. Within your beliefs you express within yourself this distortion that if you incorporate this action, this is an act that shall show the other individual how much affection you hold for him, which does not translate to that message, in actuality.

Now; let me also express to you, I am not advocating what your psychological beliefs express in denial of your child. What I am expressing to you is that you examine your motivation for your participation in this particular manner. If it presents no conflict for you to be engaging this type of action with your son, by all means, continue — but you would not be speaking to myself if you were not engaging conflict.

JOYCE: (Laughs) Yes, you’re right!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Therefore, it is worthy of your examination as to these motivations, the influences of your beliefs and how this influences how you perceive yourself. For if you continue to engage this action with him, you view yourself as good. You are being responsible and you are being good. But what else are you generating?

JOYCE: Anxiety.

ELIAS: And also judgment. For in this, regardless of how you may express affection for your son, you also generate a tremendous judgment. You may view him to be talented and intelligent, but you also are judging his choices as unacceptable and not good enough, and that energy is projected strongly and is received.

JOYCE: Are you saying I’m projecting that to him?

ELIAS: Yes. As you continue to incorporate this action, what are you actually expressing in energy and what message are you actually offering to this individual but that of a discounting of him and his choices, that he incapable or is inadequately generating choices in relation to his focus and that you may generate choices that are better and more responsible?

JOYCE: Wow! My head has been spinning, really, and I agree with everything you’re saying. I mean, obviously that’s the way it is.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, perhaps you may entertain a different perception in relation to this situation.

JOYCE: I would love to.

ELIAS: Rather than continuing to project your attention to your son and concerning yourself with his choices, move your attention to you and ask yourself what your choices are. Rather than incorporating rules for him, perhaps examine what rules you might express in relation to yourself. What are your preferences?

JOYCE: That is hard sometimes, I think, as a parent.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But let me offer a hypothetical example to illustrate this difference in perception. Let us say, hypothetically, that your son visits your home frequently, and this perhaps disturbs you at certain times for it may interrupt your routine, so to speak.

Now; as an example of altering your perception and moving your attention in a different manner, your automatic expression may be to express to your son the rule that he must follow, that at certain hours of the day he may not visit your home and this is your rule, or that he may not engage certain activities within your home.

Now; this is the rule that you have set for him. In turning your attention to you, the rule may be engaged for yourself instead and you may express, “I generate a rule with myself that I shall allow myself certain time frameworks in which I shall engage the actions or the activities that I choose, and not necessarily in association with my son.”

Now; perhaps your son may visit and it may be a time framework in which you choose to be engaging a different action.

Now; you have not incorporated a rule to him, but you have offered yourself your own rule and you may follow that. This expresses no discounting of the other individual and does not express any limitation upon the other individual’s freedom of their choices; but it also offers you the freedom, without justifying yourself, to engage what you choose. Are you understanding the difference?

JOYCE: Yes, and I’m certainly going to enjoy listening to this tape over again. (Elias laughs) He’s in another state, Elias, and I realize that was a hypothetical example.

ELIAS: Correct. I chose this example as a simplification of actions that may be easily understood, for this is a simple action and a simplistic offering of how you may alter your perception and turn your attention in a different manner.

Now; if he incorporates the choice to not be paying his bills, so to speak, this is his choice. Is it your preference to continue to being offering these expressions of money?

JOYCE: Mm-hmm.

ELIAS: It is?

JOYCE: Oh, you’re asking me the question! I’m having a hard time hearing you. No, it is not my preference. I would prefer to save some of this for a rainy day, but these beliefs, they’re really like concrete!

ELIAS: They are quite strong, but they are not absolute and they are not immovable.

JOYCE: Yes, boy! I have some work to do on me, don’t I?

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is the significance, my friend, of paying attention to yourself and becoming familiar with your beliefs and what influences you in what you do and also generating a genuine understanding in relation to the interactions that you create, of what is actually helpful and what is not.

JOYCE: I do feel like I keep beating a dead horse here, so to speak.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this is an expression within yourself that is worthy of your attention.

JOYCE: (Laughs) Yep! I guess you nailed that one down, Elias! (Elias laughs)

What have been my past focuses with my son? Is there some other lifetime or something that is influencing why I feel so responsible for him, or is it just who I am?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, you do incorporate other focuses with this individual, but that is not what is influencing this relationship and this interaction. Do not discount the strength of the beliefs in this focus and how very influencing they are. Therefore, it is not “just this focus” as you have stated. It is this focus and the strength of this focus and the strength of the beliefs in association with the dynamics of roles and relationships.

JOYCE: I kind of did the same thing with his father, didn’t I?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. Let me express to you, my friend, within this time framework there is a tremendous expression of energy which is being generated throughout the entirety of your dimension, throughout your world, and with the strength and power of energy which is being expressed, it also is creating an atmosphere in which it is easily expressed in conflict.

JOYCE: I see. Is this energy what I’ve been feeling lately? I mean, it’s like not just this incident with my son, but just my total unrest — to give it a word, I guess, frustration and wanting to move.

ELIAS: Yes. This is all associated with this shift in consciousness.

JOYCE: Am I making any progress with this shift?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes!

JOYCE: Boy, I’m glad to hear that.

I was going to ask you about a couple of incidents that maybe I did peek into another timeframe, so to speak. One was over a year or so ago, and I had read the next day’s paper. Like on Tuesday for example, I get a newspaper and it’s actually Wednesday’s paper, or the news is. Then when I get Wednesday’s paper, I’m thinking I read all that yesterday! (Elias laughs) Did that really happen?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: That’s what I thought. But then you start to second-guess yourself and think, naw, that couldn’t have happened.

ELIAS: I am aware of how you discount yourselves and you express this has not actually occurred. But let me express to you that time is quite bendable and your ability to move your attention sideways, so to speak, and incorporate time in a different construction is quite clear.

JOYCE: How many focuses have I had?

ELIAS: Numbering of focuses in this physical dimension, 916.

JOYCE: In this dimension? So I’m off somewhere else, right?

ELIAS: Ah, yes, my friend. Most essences that participate in this physical dimension also participate in many other physical dimensions, and you also incorporate many attentions in nonphysical areas of consciousness as well.

JOYCE: Do you have any suggestions for me personally as to how I can be more aware of the subjective part of me?

ELIAS: I shall express to you in the same manner that I have expressed to other individuals. The most clear avenue of incorporating an awareness of your subjective actions is to be paying attention to your communications and to what you actually do. You rely upon thought tremendously, and you move your attention to thought consistently and more so than in any other direction. But thought is not an avenue of communication.

Therefore, if you are not paying attention to your communications or to what you actually do, which is what may be termed the “choosing aspect of you,” you do not offer your thought process accurate information. Therefore, it may not be translating accurately or completely, which expresses gaps and also generates confusion, for you may be thinking in one direction and doing a different direction.

JOYCE: Oh yeah, I’m good at that! The brain does not shut off!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And this is quite natural, my friend, for thinking is a mechanism quite similar to your breathing or your heart beat or your digestive system. It is an objective physical mechanism with a function, and it is continuously functioning. But it is also a matter of what you pay attention to and how you are directing your attention. Most individuals direct their attention to thought quite consistently and to the exclusion of their communications at times.

JOYCE: I keep reading as much of your messages as I can on the Internet, and I keep wondering how I can implement this paying attention to yourself. It seems quite easy when you say it. (Elias laughs) When I try it, I don’t know, there’s a short circuit or something.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And perhaps I shall offer to you the exercise that I have offered to other individuals, to incorporate merely one day — one day — as an example to yourself. Within that one day, attempt to pay attention to every action that you do, regardless of how insignificant and mundane it may appear to you to be. This exercise is, in actuality, quite informative, for it allows you the opportunity to actually view how many times you are not paying attention. It also allows you to recognize in the moments that you do notice how automatic your responses actually are.

Now; in this exercise, do not merely pay attention to every action that you incorporate — even in how you bathe yourself, how you dress yourself, whether you lock your door as you leave your home, how you engage your vehicle, how you interact with other individuals within shops or businesses, whether you respond to your telephone with its first ring or its third ring, every action that you incorporate — for every action that you incorporate there is a belief that is influencing that. What is significant in this exercise is that you allow yourself to recognize what belief is influencing each action, for those actions that you incorporate in each day repeatedly are influenced by the same beliefs that influence what you deem to be significant or large events.

JOYCE: So what you’re really saying is to be fully conscious or in the now.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOYCE: All day long.

ELIAS: Yes. I am aware of the challenge of this action, and I am also aware that generally speaking you shall not incorporate that action in this present time framework yet, for it is very unfamiliar. Eventually, as you practice, you shall allow yourself to incorporate this action naturally. But merely as an exercise, incorporate that action merely for one day, which offers you a volume of information concerning yourself.

JOYCE: Okay, I’ll give it a whirl! (Elias laughs) So there’s a lot of similar behavior going on with my boss, right?

ELIAS: In what capacity?

JOYCE: In feeling responsible.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: That is a biggie for me. I am responsible!

ELIAS: But you are not.

JOYCE: I’m not?

ELIAS: No. You are responsible for you, and that is enough. (Laughs)

JOYCE: It is a real challenge sometimes working with this man. Am I correct in my assumption that he does leave an awful lot up to me?

ELIAS: Yes, but that is your choice.

JOYCE: Yeah, well, not so much anymore. (Laughs) I’ve got to break that habit. That is not fun anymore. I want to have more fun. Can you enlighten me on how do that?

ELIAS: This is the point, my friend, and this is the reason that it is so very important to become familiar with you and recognize your preferences. I may express to you, most individuals within your world are unaware of what their genuine preferences are, and you are not an exception. Ha ha ha!

JOYCE: Gee, I thought I was exceptional, Elias!

ELIAS: (Laughs) You may be exceptional but you are not an exception!

JOYCE: I understand; it was a joke. I think that you’ve kind of set a road map here for me to follow. I appreciate that. It’s going to be a real challenge.

Can you tell me, have I been male more often than female?

ELIAS: Yes. Not tremendously, but yes, you do incorporate more male gender focuses than female.

JOYCE: Is this sense of responsibility I have, is this more of a so-called male quality?

ELIAS: A male energy, yes.

JOYCE: Like I’m going to take care of everybody.

ELIAS: Correct. But this is associated with beliefs that are incorporated more strongly in some manners by the male gender in association with your society.

Now; let me express to you, in other manners that belief is incorporated in equal strength associated with the female gender, merely different expressions of it. But I may express to you in relation to yourself individually, yes, you are correct that you do express more of a male energy and you do associate with the expressions of these beliefs with that male energy.

Now; I may also express to you that this may be somewhat challenging for you individually in association with this shift in consciousness, for one of the actions of this shift in consciousness is altering the expression of the mass energy associated with your physical dimension from the male to the female.

To this point, prior to this shift in consciousness, from the onset of your physical dimension it has been expressed in a male-dominated energy expression. It is shifting to the female domination of energy, which is not necessarily actually associated with gender. It is associated with the energy projections of the intellect or the intuition. It is changing from the intellect to the intuition.

JOYCE: Are all our choices then, Elias, based on our beliefs?

ELIAS: Yes, but your preferences are also influenced by beliefs, but the difference is your perception of those beliefs. Your preferences reflect the beliefs that you incorporate no conflict with and that you express in ease.

Now; let me express to you once again, beliefs are not being eliminated. It is not a question of eliminating those beliefs that you deem to be bad, as your enemy, and continuing to incorporate the beliefs that you deem to be good as your preferences. It is an action of acceptance of all of your beliefs, recognizing that regardless of whether you express a belief or not, you do incorporate choice.

JOYCE: In another direction — I’m sure this incorporates a belief, a mass belief — but for example, is gaining or losing weight a belief system?

ELIAS: It is associated with your beliefs, yes.

JOYCE: It has nothing to do with what you eat?

ELIAS: No.

JOYCE: Nothing?

ELIAS: Not in actuality, but let me express to you, beliefs are quite real. Therefore, as they influence your perception, that generates a quite real reality. Therefore, if you express a belief that you may consume certain foods and that they shall produce weight, this is quite real. Therefore, you shall generate that action and you shall generate that reality. If you express a belief that if you are consuming other types of foods that this shall be helpful in the loss of weight, you shall generate that quite realistically also.

Now; there are also other expressions that may be incorporated, for you may actually express a belief... Which is not to say that you think about the belief or that you even recognize it per se, but that you incorporate action in association with it. This is expressing a belief.

Now; you may express a belief and you may also objectively disagree with the same belief. THAT is generated in thought.

JOYCE: Fat is? So I just gotta think skinny, right?

ELIAS: NO. This is what I am expressing to you. You may be expressing a belief concerning weight, and objectively in thought you may disagree with that belief. Therefore, you may think that you may alter your expression merely through thinking, and this is incorrect; or that in thinking in a different direction, you may change your action, and this is incorrect also. For thinking does not generate reality.

JOYCE: Right! Beliefs do.

ELIAS: Perception does — beliefs influence perception. Therefore, you may express to yourself that you incorporate a preference of a particular body type in association with yourself and you may also express to yourself in thought that you do not believe in dieting — now; this is the thought — but in action, you may actually monitor what you consume, which IS an action of dieting.

Your thoughts are expressing to you that you do not believe in dieting, but this is incorrect. What your thoughts are expressing to you is a disagreement with that belief, but you continue to express that belief.

JOYCE: Oh, man! I’m gonna need to listen to this tape again, Elias. (Elias laughs)

How soon is this shift? I mean, when are we all going to be there? Is it ten years? Is it five?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon each individual. Some individuals are already accomplishing the action of this shift now. As to the completion, so to speak, in which the entirety of the collective will all be expressing this shift in consciousness and it shall be evidenced throughout the entirety of your world, I have expressed previously, approximately — not precisely, for this also is a associated with choices — but approximately it shall be accomplished at about your three-quarter mark of this century.

JOYCE: I believe Seth has said the same thing. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: Say, are you and Seth in correspondence here? Are you in communication?

ELIAS: Not presently, but I do incorporate an awareness of that essence.

JOYCE: When are you going to dictate some books, Elias?

ELIAS: I am not.

JOYCE: I wish you would, so that I could study them more fully.

ELIAS: This is the action that individuals may choose to be incorporating, and some individuals are already incorporating that action. It is unnecessary for myself to be dictating books. You within physical focus generate books. I choose to be interactive with individuals.

JOYCE: Yes, I knew this.

Can you tell me, what is this frequency that’s ringing, that I hear in my ear? I don’t even know what to describe it as. What is that?

ELIAS: This also is associated with this shift in consciousness and has been presented by many individuals within this forum incorporating very similar experiences. I have expressed, for the most part — although there are exceptions — but for the most part many individuals are incorporating this physical expression in this time framework in association with widening their awareness. It is associated with other dimensional focuses. As you become more aware of yourself as essence, you also allow many more experiences that may or may not be associated with merely this dimension.

JOYCE: Does this awareness, this shift, have anything to do with the vibratory sensations I have had in my body? I haven’t felt them in a couple months, but there was a time when I felt like I was buzzing from my head to my toes.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: Is this what they’re saying, that there’s actually a change in the DNA?

ELIAS: No, not necessarily. But you do affect your vibrational qualities and also open new neurological pathways within your actual physical brain. This generates physical effectingnesses, and as you continue to widen your awareness you are altering some expressions of your physical body consciousness to accommodate the expanded awareness.

JOYCE: Is that also associated with that tickling sensation I’ve had on my forehead? It feels like there’s a little hair or something between my nose and my eyebrows. (Elias laughs) I mean, I was wondering if there’s something wrong there. Should I go see a doctor, or this also part of it?

ELIAS: Actually, I must confess this is not associated with what we have been discussing, but rather is an incorporation of my energy in association with you. Ha ha ha!

JOYCE: Is that right? Well, thank you!

ELIAS: Attempting to gain your attention. (Laughs)

JOYCE: (Laughs) The next time I get a tickle I’ll think of you, Elias. That’s wonderful! There’s a whole bunch of questions I guess I could ask, but you get my mind going.

Here’s a question that I’ve circled here. How do I recognize an impulse?

ELIAS: Ah! Impulses are expressed differently from impressions. Impressions may be translated by thought. Impulses are generally not translated by thought. They are a type of communication that you offer to yourself which generates an action automatically. You immediately respond to impulses.

JOYCE: Can you give me an example of something that I’ve responded to as an impulse so that I understand you?

ELIAS: I shall offer you a hypothetical example. You may be riding within your vehicle and you may in a moment turn and deviate from your original direction and perhaps choose to stop and enter a particular building. Perhaps we may incorporate a bookstore.

Now; this may not have been initially within your plan, so to speak, and you may not actually incorporate much thinking concerning what you are actually doing. In that action, you may be incorporating a time framework in which you have distracted yourself.

Now; recognize that you may be merely allowing yourself to be following this impulse to stop, to move into this bookstore and distract yourself momentarily, and not think about why you have incorporated that action. Subsequently, you may re-enter your vehicle and continue in the direction that you had originally planned, and perhaps you shall pass a collision upon your street, which were you to have not distracted yourself momentarily you may have been involving yourself in that collision.

Now; impulses do not always divert you from some action that may be uncomfortable. At times you may incorporate the action of responding to an impulse and perhaps present yourself with information or interactions unexpectedly which may be quite valuable — not that the other action is not valuable also, but in what you may recognize within your beliefs to be a positive expression. Impulses are recognized in action, action that is not translated or necessarily questioned by thought.

JOYCE: I think I’ve got that pretty clear. We’re getting close to time here. I wanted to run by you a few impressions that I’ve got as far as other focuses.

ELIAS: Very well.

JOYCE: One, that I have previously been a lawyer?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: A dancer?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: An actor?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: And a nun?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: I have been told that I have been a nun at least three times. Is that right?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: Can you tell me what my association with my friend Ann in New York has been, what our connection is?

ELIAS: You incorporate several focuses together and you have expressed many different types of relationships with each other.

JOYCE: Can you tell me of a few important ones?

ELIAS: And shall you not investigate and perhaps generate an expression of fun together?

JOYCE: Of fun?

ELIAS: Yes, for if you are allowing yourselves to generate a connection and investigate together, you may be incorporating this action as a game and perhaps generate quite a playfulness and an expression of fun.

JOYCE: (Laughing) You’re not going to give me any of this, are you?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Which I may be encouraging of you both to be incorporating more of an expression of fun!

JOYCE: Despite the miles between us, we have always stayed in contact with one another. I feel there definitely is a connection with us. So, I will be exploring that.

ELIAS: Very well. One of these focuses that you incorporate as a nun is one that you share with this individual.

JOYCE: I thought so!! (Elias laughs) Thank you for validating that. (Elias laughs) Does that also mean that my mother was once my Mother Superior?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOYCE: Score points for Joyce! Any parting words for me, Elias?

ELIAS: Pay attention! Pay attention to you and LISTEN to your communications. Discontinue actions that express conflict within you, my friend. Allow yourself permission to express your preferences.

JOYCE: Elias, I thank you very much. This has been very enlightening.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

JOYCE: We’re going to do this again!

ELIAS: Very well. I shall be anticipating our next conversation!

JOYCE: And I will anticipate that any tickle I feel on my forehead is you. Correct?

ELIAS: Yes! Ha ha ha!

JOYCE: Thank you again.

ELIAS: You are welcome, my friend. To you, in tremendous affection...

JOYCE: And likewise. Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: ...au revoir.

JOYCE: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:27 PM.

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