Wednesday, February 19, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Margot (Giselle)

Elias arrives at 10:58 AM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

MARGOT: Good afternoon, Elias! (Elias laughs) I have something to ask you right off.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARGOT: I always think that when I sit and talk to Mary an hour and tell her everything that’s going on with me and everything, that you’re listening. Is that so?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

MARGOT: That would save me a lot of words today.

ELIAS: I am aware of the energy exchange that is occurring between you.

MARGOT: Great, then you know that I’ve gone in and out of depression all week, and I know why and I’m working on it. We had a long talk about that, and she’s been very helpful to me in the attitude that she holds about everything that’s going on in the world. I worked on it all week and I feel pretty good; in fact, today I feel great. (Elias laughs)

The last time that we talked, we talked about the overwhelmingness that I get myself into, and I have learned a great deal about that as I’ve watched myself. I have a ways to go still, but I’m seeing more and more of the factors and more and more about the way I look at things and have always looked at things, and I’ve decided to give a lot of it up.

ELIAS: Aha! And what have you offered yourself in information in this regard?

MARGOT: In this regard I’ve finally realized that what overwhelms me is my own office here at home. I’ve learned to mentally lock the door when I leave the room and not let what’s sitting on my desk undone overwhelm me, and not to worry about it.

I also realized that I was going through a difficult change, which I have always had a problem with. I have issues with change, as we know. When I moved the accounting office home — which was a very good move, it was my choice in every way, and I felt very good about it — that was a big change in my life, and a lot of the overwhelmingness that I dealt with or have dealt with since that time is just because I made the choice to bring the work home. But I’m doing very, very well with that now. I’m comfortable.

I have something for you a little later on in my notes, but I think I’ll get into it right now, and that is this perception that a lot of us have. I’ve talked to Lynda and to Bobbi both about it and we all seem to have been smitten with the same thing, and that’s that we never feel like we have enough time.

Somebody suggested to us, I believe it was at the Castaic session — that of course is not on tape. I really laughed about what you did, Elias! I thought that was classic and what you should have probably done a long time ago! (Elias laughs) Anyway, the thought that was introduced to us is that according to scientists who are looking at this, time is actually shrinking. We wondered if we were automatically picking up on the fact that time is doing that, if it is, or what your explanation would be for that sense that we have or what’s giving us the sense that we don’t have enough time.

ELIAS: I may express to you two responses. One, time is not necessarily shrinking — but I am understanding of this expression — but rather it is accelerating, for you all collectively are bending time within your physical reality in a different manner, and therefore it is accelerating. But this is not to say that you do not incorporate enough time to be accomplishing what you want.

This is a matter of attention, and this is the second response to your question. For in moving your attention in association with time, you may discover that in actuality you incorporate ample time to be accomplishing what you want to be accomplishing. For much of your time slips through a sieve of attention, as sand would slip through a physical sieve, for you are not paying attention in the now. Therefore, in your perception, time escapes you.

MARGOT: Yes, I understand that very much in my efforts to stay in the now. I do understand that, because in the now everything’s okay.

ELIAS: Correct, and you may be incorporating quite enough time to be accomplishing what you want. But much of your time is spent in projection of past or future. Therefore, there is little attention which is being directed to the now, and the now is the time in which you actually accomplish.

MARGOT: I understand that very well because I’ve worked on that for so long. Thank you very much for the explanation.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

MARGOT: I had a very interesting dream a couple of nights ago. It was a lucid dream, and it went on all night. The only reason that I could think for this to happen was that I have a tooth that needs to be pulled. While it isn’t painful, I’m very aware of it. I think that kept me objective enough or in enough of an objective state that the lucid dream went on until I woke up in the morning.

It was very interesting. In the dream, over and over and over and over again, I kept having this sense that I was some sort of psychic painter. I’d receive messages, and immediately and very quickly sketch them as pictures. Then I would put each picture aside and the next one would come.

I wondered afterwards if I was seeing a focus of mine who did that sort of thing, or if you could offer me an explanation that I haven’t been able to come up with for that type of an all-night dream.

ELIAS: This is not another focus. This is associated with you now.

MARGOT: I’m a psychic painter now?

ELIAS: Or that this, figuratively speaking, is a possibility, not necessarily in absolute terms associated with exactly the imagery of the dream, but more in a symbolic message to yourself concerning living artfully.

MARGOT: “Living artfully” — I like that! (Elias chuckles) Thank you! I knew you’d have just the right words for that!

I’d like to go on now. There are quite a few people that have asked me to ask things for them. Timo would like to know if he is the focus of Mark Twain.

ELIAS: Observing essence.

MARGOT: Is Mark Twain in the forum? Do we know Mark Twain?

ELIAS: And shall you investigate?

MARGOT: (Sighs exasperatedly, and Elias laughs) I’ll tell him that he should, because I’m really not all that interested!

ELIAS: Such sighs of anxiety! Ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: KC says that you confirmed that she’s the mother of one of your wizard focuses. She’d like to know if this is your Brian one.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I kind of thought so. Carla would like to know if she is in transition, and if so, has it been since 1997?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: She would also like to know if only final focuses can choose to experience physical transition.

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: George would like to know if he is the focus of Edgar Allen Poe.

ELIAS: No, but is associated with that individual.

MARGOT: I’m going to read this exactly because I don’t want to get any of the words wrong. Sid would like confirmation as to whether Gramada facilitates the belief system of physical creation of the universe and Zuli facilitates the belief system of science and coincidences, or if this is the reverse.

ELIAS: Reverse.

MARGOT: Since I’ve talked with you last, the Romanov court came into full view because so many of us were identified as having been part of that court, myself as Alexandra. But it brought up a big thing, when all of a sudden there were all of these identified in that particular court, and I heard a lot about it.

This flood of identification, along with earlier ones, once again produced some agitation within some folks in the forum because they find it just too coincidental to believe that so many in the forum have so-called famous personalities. One of the comments that I heard kind of sums up the rest of them, and that comment was, “It’s just too pat.”

I had never been concerned about this because I have my own theory about this whole thing. I’ve wanted to ask you about it for a long time, and this kind of gives me the opportunity to do this. My theory goes along the lines that before the beginning, so to speak, a group of essences drew themselves to each other because of an interest that each held in, first of all, assisting in the creation of this dimension as well as in the creation of the eventual shift, and that this group of essences is, so to speak, under the leadership of you and other essences that assist in the energy exchange you engage with Michael. This is why so many of us have so-called leadership or famous focuses, because we often get the opportunity to assist the shift to move into place. Is this partially true or what?

ELIAS: I am understanding your explanation to yourself, but not necessarily. First of all let me express once again, essences do generally group themselves together and therefore manifest in groups. Therefore, it is not uncommon or unusual that you would identify focuses in which many individuals within this forum would be participating, for you are all manifesting in this time framework also and have allowed yourselves to connect objectively to each other.

Now; in this, in association with THIS time framework, you have created manners in which you may be interactive in a group, which in other time frameworks with more limited accessible objective communications, you may not have expressed. In THIS time framework, you continue to manifest in groups but not necessarily within physical proximity of each other. In previous time frameworks, you have manifest in physical proximity of each other more often, for you had not created methods of communication objectively that would allow you to connect without engaging physical proximity.

Now; also let me express to you, relatively speaking, what has been offered within this forum as the identification of focuses that express fame, so to speak, or notoriety are relatively small in association with the entirety of your history. In this, there are many other groups of individuals within your physical reality that also manifest together and also incorporate groupings of focuses that incorporate fame or notoriety.

Look to your books. How many thousands of books do you incorporate concerning individuals that incorporate fame?

MARGOT: Yes, and I have mentioned this as well, that it’s relatively easy for us because we know what we’re looking for, and so when something in a book jumps out at us we investigate it. Others haven’t done that down through time.

ELIAS: Correct. But you are exercising your awareness, your communications to yourselves, and you are paying attention to those communications, for you generate an interest in these particular types of movements and investigations. It is expressed as a preference.

Now; in that preference, you do pay attention and you allow yourselves to exercise your abilities in connecting to other aspects of yourselves as other focuses of yourselves. Other individuals may choose to be offering themselves different information.

I may express to you also, even within this forum there are many individuals that do generate an interest and a preference in the investigation of other focuses, but there are also many individuals that do not.

MARGOT: That’s true, and I understand that. Those of us that get interested in it, it becomes a hobby, like with me.

ELIAS: It is an avenue in which you may playfully incorporate fun and also offer yourselves information and a method to be trusting yourselves and listening to your own communications. Therefore, in your terms, it serves several purposes, which is the reason that I am encouraging of this action. But this is not to say that I am not also encouraging of other directions that individuals may choose which do not incorporate the investigation of other focuses.

This is one method in which individuals allow themselves to become familiar with themselves, to trust themselves, and to listen to their own inner communications and practice with acknowledging and paying attention to impressions and visualizations, some even in the practice of projections.

But there are many, many, many individuals within your world, many of which are not participating in this particular forum, but are generating their own sojourns and offering themselves information in different manners, but also shifting.

This is merely the manner in which you are participating and offering yourselves more of a clarity as to yourselves and this information. In a manner of speaking, it is a game, and one to be encouraged, for it affords you the opportunity to be incorporating a playfulness and not continuously expressing such overwhelming seriousness within this physical reality, which also reminds you of yourself as essence being playful.

In this, I may also express to you an emphasis that although many of you may be discovering famous focuses that you incorporate and that you incorporate in groups, as I have stated, relatively speaking, what you have discovered in relation to the entire history of your physical dimension is small.

MARGOT: I have felt so, but somehow it just gets to seem so big, I guess, for some folks. As I’ve said, this has not been anything that’s concerned me at all.

ELIAS: Let me express to you also, Giselle, that you may recognize it is not for you to instruct in relation to, but you may recognize as you engage other individuals that may be expressing judgments in relation to some of the directions that others of you are incorporating, the reason that those judgments are expressed are stemming, so to speak, from the individual themselves and judgments that they are expressing within themselves.

MARGOT: Yes, right. Thank you. That was a great explanation.

ELIAS: For I may also express to you, those individuals that genuinely do not express a preference or an interest in this type of investigation shall not be so nosy and shall express little opposition to your choices in your investigations, for they are not paying attention.

MARGOT: And that’s not a choice that they wish to make at this point.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore, they incorporate little or no judgment in association with your choices, for their interests are directed in a different manner.

MARGOT: Since we’ve been talking about the Romanovs, I also have a focus in St. Petersburg that you have confirmed for me, in which I was married to a man who was involved with the court. The first question I have is would it be that he was involved in this court of the Romanovs? Is that time framework right? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I thought so. I felt that. I have always felt, ever since I first discovered this focus of mine, that my husband in that focus is my first husband in this one. Is that true?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Was he perhaps the one who taught the Romanov kids, whose name was Pierre Gilliard? (Pause)

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: In that focus, though, that I’ve just been referring to, is my first name Petrovna?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I’ve discovered another essence theme of mine, I believe, and I’d like to run it past you. I think that my essence has demonstrated in many examples an interest in politics, not necessarily always a participation in politics in this dimension, but an interest in it, in watching it, how it works.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: That’s what I thought. I felt that for quite a little bit. In regard to theosophists, I became very interested in Annie Besant and I’ve been inclined to think that I’m her. Is that true?

ELIAS: Observing essence.

MARGOT: That makes a lot of sense. Here’s something else now. I believe that I am William Bent who was known as Little White Man and was associated with the Cheyenne. He was a close friend of Black Kettle of the Cheyenne.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: His first wife’s name was Owl Woman. Is she in this forum?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Is she Shahma/Fiona?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I thought so. His second wife was Yellow Woman, who was the sister of Owl Woman. Is she in this forum?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I’m going to work on that one because I don’t know who that is yet. Is Howard the focus of Dull Knife of the Cheyenne?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Is the writer of “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee,” whose name is Dee Brown, someone that I know now?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Would it be Howard/Bosht?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I thought so. He’s been denying that like crazy, but I knew he was!

ELIAS: Now he may discontinue his search for his Native American focus!

MARGOT: Oh, yeah! (Elias laughs) I think he’s going to be quite pleased about this, Elias. Could we say that the American Indian wars are a chapter in the book of adventurers? (Pause)

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Howard and I watched a couple of movies Sunday night and a couple or three things jumped out at me. One of them is, as you have already confirmed, that I’m a Confederate spy and a friend of Bill Boyd. Was I perhaps a black runaway slave from the South when I became the spy?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I thought that was so. Did I eventually live in Maryland?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I’m getting a lot of good answers here! Now here’s one that just blew my mind. If I’m remembering correctly, you once confirmed that Adolph Eichmann is in the forum.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Would that be me?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Damn! (Elias laughs loudly) I really did want that to be me! (Laughs)

An interesting thing happened to me yesterday or the day before. I personally think I’m very good at playing solitaire. But all of a sudden a couple of days ago, I got more information on it, is what I’m inclined to say. At any rate, I saw aspects to it that I had not ever seen before, and it was just like, “Geez, this has really been fun!” Is that impression coming from my focus in the court of Henry VII, I believe in which I assisted him in inventing that game of cards? (Pause)

ELIAS: Partially.

MARGOT: Am I a male or a female in that focus?

ELIAS: Male.

MARGOT: Am I on Henry VII’s staff, or am I a friend of his, or...?

ELIAS: An acquaintance.

MARGOT: I’ve had some conversations with three of my focuses since we talked last. You did confirm at one time that I have a focus in Greece in which I am a street vendor. I talked to her one night and I got that her name is Myrna. Would that be correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: And her husband’s name is Tomas and he’s a sailor?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I talked to her also about in which seaport in Greece that they live, and all I could get from her — or all I could understand — was that it was a name that begins with C. I immediately thought of Corinth or Crete or even Corfu. Am I on the right track?

ELIAS: Yes, and you may continue your investigation! (Both laugh)

MARGOT: When I talked to her about the time framework in which she lived, she didn’t have a clue. She didn’t even know what I was talking about. Can you help me with that, or do you want me to keep digging at her?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) My suggestion is that as you allow yourself this interaction, also allow yourself to sense or to feel the time framework.

MARGOT: It feels very old to me.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MARGOT: That’s what I thought. Okay, I’ll pursue that.

When interest in the Donner Party came up within the forum, there were quite a few people who felt right away that Howard and I are Margaret and James Reed. So I talked to her one night, or at least I talked to a Margaret, and she was very open and talkative. Did I connect with the Margaret Reed in that group?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Would it be that Howard is James Reed?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: I had quite a chat with Margaret that night. She told me how she felt about the whole ordeal in quite a bit of detail and that she feels that she got through it in the manner that she did — that is, that she lived through it — because she’s of mixed Native American blood. When I read about her in the history, it doesn’t indicate anything like that at all, but is that true in some context?

ELIAS: Yes, although not as easily trackable.

MARGOT: That’s what I thought, that it was there someplace, but she’s aware of it.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Was I killed in the Chicago fire in 1871?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Was my name Annabelle Foster or Frasier or something like that?

ELIAS: Foster.

MARGOT: I think I was about 18 at the time, and I was in love with a man by the name of Nathan.

ELIAS: Slightly younger, but yes.

MARGOT: Slightly younger! What I saw was that he and I were having sex and were both killed in the fire because of that.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: And I was younger than 18, oh my! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: (Very humorously) You brazen hussy!

MARGOT: Oh yes, I imagine so! (Elias laughs)

About three years ago, several of us did a projection to Rome at the time of Augustus Caesar. I just found the notes on that the other day, and that was the clearest projection I have ever done. In the projection, I was about five years old and I just found a coin in the sand that really interested me. My name was Julea. Is that true?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Can you confirm that my mother’s name was Elsa and that in my present now she’s my friend Jean?

ELIAS: Eleanor.

MARGOT: That’s an old friend! But my mother’s name was Elsa?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: And my father’s name was Donatimus and he’s now the one I know as Tom/Malhai?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: My nurse’s name was Gelda and I know her now as Bobbi/Jale?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Oh god, that’s so neat! And our cook was named Nino, who is my friend Paula now.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Great! One day a name came to me and the name was Maude. I felt very strongly that Maude is somehow connected to a focus of yours and that you often called her Maudey. Would this be so?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Since I’m talking to Oscar himself, can you tell me what the connection was?

ELIAS: A friendship that was expressed similar to a parent and child.

MARGOT: I’ve talked to Ben about this and he just doesn’t think there’s a Maude in your past at all. (Elias laughs) So I’ve got something to say to Ben!

ELIAS: Scotland.

MARGOT: Scotland, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Oh! So it’s not in the Oscar Wilde focus?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Is it the focus I have with you in Scotland in which I have herds of sheep and you trade in sheep?

ELIAS: A different focus.

MARGOT: William Wallace of the William Wallace/Scottish clan fame — we have a little bit of a controversy going here, Howard and I, about who this man is, because we feel like we know him. Is that individual my son Michael?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Is it Howard?

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: But we do know him?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: We’ve talked a lot about the 11th century chapter focus here at our house because of the history at that time. The first thing that we got to wondering, all of a sudden after all these years, was exactly what was the nature of sorcery at that time? Was it something like tossing bones or stones, or was it more of a shamanic type of thing?

ELIAS: More associated with what you identify as shamanism, but also different — sorcery that expressed what you would view presently as magic.

MARGOT: We’ve watched our friend Jade work a lot of magic. He does it because he builds power by combining the power in the group with his own. Does this describe what you did as a sorcerer?

ELIAS: In some capacities, yes.

MARGOT: By the way, speaking of Jade, we’ve talked about him to you so much. Howard feels that Jade’s essence name may be Jaill, which also spells jail.

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: Would you care to give us his essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Jardwah, J-A-R-D-W-A-H (JHARD wah).

MARGOT: Thank you. In the 11th century chapter focus, were your clients mostly from the peasantry or did you also have clients among the aristocracy, royalty? In that century, there were so many contenders for the throne. Did any of them ever consult with you? What was the nature of your clientele?

ELIAS: Both.

MARGOT: Oh man, there’s a whole field of people to investigate there! (Elias laughs) There was so much upheaval. It’s amazing to read. I can’t even keep it straight.

You told me last time that the geographical location was bordering the eastern sea, which I take to be the North Sea. I feel that you lived in Northumbria. Would that be correct?

ELIAS: Partially, at times.

MARGOT: Was it in Mercia?

ELIAS: At times.

MARGOT: You moved around!

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Oh! I always thought you stayed in one place.

ELIAS: No.

MARGOT: You were a traveling sorcerer.

ELIAS: I did incorporate one dwelling as a base, so to speak, but also incorporated the experience of much travel.

MARGOT: Very good. I think I’m just about all through with anything that I was going to talk to you about. We still have just a few minutes left. Let me look through my notes and be sure that I’ve got everything that I wanted to ask. I think I have.

To maybe wind this up just a little bit and go right back to the first, in the depression that I felt during this last week — which stems from what’s going on in Iraq, or not going on yet in Iraq, and my anger at George Bush, which I’ve always had — I decided that the first thing I needed to do was to get over my anger. I also finally got the sense that a source of the depression that I felt is simply part of my intent, which really surprised me. But if I am investigating death, and there’s getting to be more and more death everyplace and not just in Iraq, is that part of my intent?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Oh, that’s really helpful to know that, because I’ve never looked at my intent in that manner before.

ELIAS: Now; also allow yourself to explore your expression of generating anger and disappointment with this individual that you identify as the leader of your society, for this may offer you significant information concerning yourself, also. For your anger is being expressed in association with your beliefs and expressed differences between your beliefs and your preferences and the choices and expressions of another individual — which is significant to be examining, for this type of expression is precisely what I have been discussing with all of you in association with becoming familiar with your preferences, your beliefs, and expressing acceptance, for the energy that you project OUTWARDLY is a reflection of what you are generating inwardly.

In expressing this type of energy in association with this individual or any other individual, what are you actually projecting outwardly but the same energy that is being expressed in precisely what you generate upset in relation to?

MARGOT: I’ve heard you say that before, but that was just so many words at that point. I don’t think in my life I’ve ever been through a week of periods of time when I’ve been so depressed.

ELIAS: In this, a partial expression of that depression, so to speak — although a considerable portion is associated with your intent — another portion of that expression concerns your communication to yourself in relation to the energy that you are projecting outwardly, which IS affecting. Let me express to you, Giselle, there is no collective without individuals. Therefore, each individual and the energy expression that they project is quite significant.

Now; you express dismay and even anger in association with the expressions of other individuals as wrong and non-compassionate, and you are expressing outward very similar energy, which lends to the collective.

MARGOT: I also had a little private talk with you on Monday night about this, and out of that I got that the collective is kind of about a fifty-fifty thing.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: So, the possibilities of actually going to war are kind of fifty-fifty?

ELIAS: Correct. This is the reason that it is important to be aware of yourself, to continue to hold your attention in the now and to be aware of your expressions precisely in what we discussed in that group session. For all of these expressions that you engage in mundane activities, or in each day projecting your energy outwardly — which you do continuously — you are generating choices to be aligning with certain collective expressions.

MARGOT: I can see that. By the way, thank you for the talk that we had on Monday night, just you and I, because it did help me a whole lot at that point.

ELIAS: You are welcome. Ha ha ha!

MARGOT: I appreciate that, and I also appreciate me for having realized that I can talk to you anytime I want to.

ELIAS: And so you may!

MARGOT: And so I do! (Elias laughs) Thank you so much today, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend. As always, I offer you tremendous affection.

MARGOT: Thank you, and I to you.

ELIAS: I shall be anticipating our next conversation.

MARGOT: And so shall I!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well, Giselle. To you, in lovingness, au revoir.

MARGOT: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 11:59 AM.

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