Friday, February 14, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Janet (Oleg)

Elias arrives at 7:08 AM. (Arrival time is 19 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JANET: Good morning! How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

JANET: I’m doing good.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well!

JANET: I have several things that I want to talk to you about. I’m sitting here trying to figure out how it all flows together. I’m sure that somehow it does, but I wasn’t sure where to start.

You gave me my orientation last time, Elias, and you told me that I was intermediate.

ELIAS: Yes?

JANET: I’ve read as much information as I could find or could come across on the website about intermediate, but can you clarify for me how I create? I think I’ve seen where you’ve said that coming from that orientation of intermediate, they create not physically. Subjective versus objective — I don’t know exactly where I fit into that. What was that other comment you made that I wrote down ... you said intermediates focus attention through perception inwardly objectively.

ELIAS: Yes.

JANET: I wasn’t sure then how I create. I think you even said that intermediates focus on inward creations, could be expressed outwardly but they’re not creating of things.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I am understanding your confusion. This is an interesting orientation and at times is challenging to be explaining the manner in which you actually create within your objective reality.

Now; let me clarify. Do you recognize within your focus that you may be, in your terms, moving through some issue or some challenge — and you may be engaging a thought process in relation to what you may assess that you are addressing to — but regardless of what you think, it may appear to you that you may generate a struggle with a certain subject matter for a time framework and eventually emerge in a manner in which the subject is no longer an issue, but you are not quite sure objectively how you accomplished that?

JANET: Yes, I am aware of that.

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is an example of the manner in which individuals of this orientation move, for the addressing to any particular issue or challenge is generated subjectively. Therefore, the individual may be occupying their attention with a particular subject matter and it may appear to the individual that it is an on-going issue for a time framework, and thusly almost magically in an instant, the issue is no longer an issue, and the individual is slightly puzzled in how they accomplished that action. But it matters not, for it has been accomplished.

In this, when I express to any of you incorporating this particular orientation that you do not create outwardly, I am not expressing to you that you do not create a reality objectively in similar manner to all other individuals, for you are participating in this physical dimension and you are participating in relation to its blueprint. Therefore, you do express beliefs, you do generate outward expressions, you do create objective movements and even objective manifestations in like manner to all other individuals. But the manner in which you move within your focus is somewhat different, for you are not always objectively aware of how you accomplish certain actions within your focus.

Now; I may express to you that individuals incorporating this particular orientation are less attached to the belief, in a manner of speaking, that thought creates reality or precedes reality, for individuals that are intermediate are aware that it matters not how much you may be incorporating concentrating your attention upon certain thoughts, that this is not necessarily what may influence what you create. Therefore, individuals incorporating this orientation do not incorporate that action as much as individuals of the soft or the common orientation.

For example, some individuals may be expressing the thought process of “I wish to win the lottery, and if I incorporate continuous affirmation in thought that I shall create winning the lottery, I shall influence my reality and I shall create that, for I shall convince myself that I believe this.” I may express to you, many individuals incorporate actions such as this, not recognizing that it matters not how often they incorporate a thought, this is not a mechanism that generates reality but rather merely interprets it or translates it objectively. This generates disappointment in many individuals, for they do not create what they think.

Whereas, generally speaking, although there are always exceptions, individuals incorporating the intermediate orientation do not concern themselves with this type of expression, for they are aware — in somewhat of what you may term to be a pessimistic manner (laughs) — that regardless of what they may be thinking, this is not necessarily what they shall actually create.

Now; the pessimistic aspect of that expression is merely influenced by the individual’s beliefs and their tendency to be discounting of their abilities, in comparison that they generate within themselves, in relation to other individuals. Intermediate individuals generate a considerable expression of comparison of themselves and other individuals, but as in any expression, they are not absolutes and therefore may be perceived in different manners, which create quite different realities.

Therefore, in understanding what your natural expressions are, you may recognize that it is beneficial to you to not be concerning yourself with what you THINK you might create, and rather recognize that thought does not generate reality and acknowledge yourself rather than discounting yourself in recognizing that you are incorporating one less step in how you create your reality.

JANET: I needed that. Thank you! (Elias laughs)

Since I talked with you last, my sister Leslie, the one that I live with, was recently diagnosed with breast cancer. I have so many questions about that. I’m not exactly sure what can I ask and what not to ask. But I am trying to understand what my role is in that. How have I created this situation? I guess I was trying to understand as intermediate and she’s common and how we... I don’t know. I was trying to figure were there shrines behind that. I think I read a little bit about you saying that there were shrines behind breast cancer.

I guess I don’t know if I’m really able to ask at this point what her issues are because maybe that doesn’t matter. Maybe she will come to that conclusion somewhere through this process now that she’s having to go through. I just want to know what is my role in that? What is the part that I played in this? Is she mirroring back something to me? Can you help me understand that a little bit?

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are inquiring.

Now; in this, recognize that although I may offer general statements in relation to certain manifestations, remember, each individual creates certain expressions within their reality for their own individual reasons. Therefore, it is significant that you examine yourself.

Now; also remember that you are directly interacting with the energy expression of the other individual, a projection of energy, and you are configuring that energy into a manifestation which is in keeping with what has been projected. Therefore, you have not created this expression singularly. Are you understanding?

JANET: I believe so.

ELIAS: You are not co-creating, for as I have stated previously, this implies that some other individual or other force of energy is creating some of your reality for you, and this is incorrect. But you are not alone; you do interact with other individuals’ projections of energy and you configure them, generally speaking — although not always, but for the most part — in the manner in which it is received.

Therefore, your sibling may be creating a physical manifestation and is projecting that energy outwardly, and you are receiving it and configuring that energy into an actual physical manifestation of the individual and of the disease.

Now; what is significant in your evaluation of what you are creating is to recognize that there are no accidents and that EVERY manifestation that you incorporate within your focus, even in relation to other individuals, you have in some manner purposefully drawn that to yourself. In this, were you not to be reflecting — not necessarily mirroring, but reflecting — some information to yourself, you would not be interacting with this particular person.

JANET: Just looking back and thinking, I thought I would be the one that had this obsession... Not obsession, but I wanted to alter my breasts at one time. I did that and then I wasn’t comfortable with it. I felt like it was this foreign body within me, and I had my breasts redone. Looking at my horoscope, breasts were an issue for me or symbolic for me in some way. I’m the one who’s always been kind of looking at that, the whole breast issue. I went and bought a book on total breast health, and she’s the one that ended up with breast cancer and I don’t think she’s probably even given it a second thought! Is there a relation there?

ELIAS: But it is significant that you are reflecting this to yourself, that this individual has created the manifestation and this particular manifestation reflects to you your beliefs and your issues in association with sexuality, that you may allow yourself to examine these beliefs and the issues that you have generated in association with these beliefs, and therefore allow yourself to relax, in a manner of speaking, and allow yourself to accept these beliefs and thusly incorporate more choices.

Now; your sibling obviously is creating this manifestation for her own reasons, associated with her own movement and her own beliefs, but also in relation to her interaction with you, for she does not accidentally draw you to her any more than you accidentally draw yourself to her or draw her to you.

In this, as you interact with each other, you share information — not necessarily entirely objectively or in language communication — but you share information in association with the energy that you project outwardly in relation to your concerns and your issues associated with sexuality. She shares information with you in generating a manifestation which you consider to be bad, but also as an expression of creating in ease, which is significant.

I am understanding that your association with this manifestation is negative. But aside from the association of negativity, there is expressed other information — that without concentration, without generating issues, without expressing tremendous concern, a manifestation that you consider to be of some magnitude may be created quite effortlessly.

Now; this may be applied in areas of creations that you deem to be positive, that creating ANY manifestation, regardless of whether you view it to be positive or negative, does not require struggle and tremendous effort.

JANET: I don’t know if this is related or not. She’s obviously very busy right now. She’s taken on several jobs in terms of employment, but she appears to me to be more at ease with her dis-ease than she is with her daily work. I see it causing her a lot of conflict, whereas she seems more comfortable... But it’s really not important for me to figure out her, right? It’s more important to figure out what my beliefs are towards breast cancer in general? I recognize a lot of those. Since all this has come up, I’ve recognized a lot of things.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but you are correct that it is significant that you pay attention to yourself. Recognize that you are providing yourself with a clear reflection through the expressions of your sibling.

Now; do you not find this curious that she expresses an ease or a lack of concern in relation to the dis-ease, but as you have noted, she does incorporate concern and conflict in association with other expressions?

Now; what may you attempt to offer yourself in information in relation to this reflection?

JANET: About her?

ELIAS: Concerning yourself.

JANET: That’s what I’ve been trying to tie in. She’s going on vacation from all her work. That’s what I’m trying to see and I’m not seeing it.

ELIAS: Now; in a manner of speaking, attempt to reverse the associations. In this, your sibling does not incorporate concern for manifestations that she has created individually in association with herself and generates an ease in those creations, even those that you deem to be negative. But in association with OUTWARD expressions with other individuals or outward manifestations, there is an expression of frustration and conflict, for it is viewed as requiring tremendous effort and your word of “work.”

Now; in reversing the reflection in association with yourself, outwardly you do not incorporate as much struggle or frustration or conflict in creating outward manifestations. But inwardly, in attempting to understand yourself and examine your beliefs and move your attention in a manner in which you are creating your objective reality in an intentional manner, you incorporate much frustration.

Therefore, in a manner of speaking, what you are reflecting to each other is the reverse of what you are each creating. What she expresses an ease within, you express frustration and struggle.

JANET: I see that now. Maybe not with great clarity, but I know I can attempt to understand that now. (Both laugh) Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes.

JANET: She’s being faced with this treatment, which obviously I have judged that treatment in the past and still judge it as harsh, and how we generate money is very up in the air right now, and we want to decorate our house in the next few weeks. It seems like we always do that; we have a major life change when we want to redecorate our house. I don’t know what it is. (Elias chuckles) Does that make sense? Are we running away from something? What does that say about us?

ELIAS: Reflecting change.

JANET: That’s it?

ELIAS: Some individuals generate this type of action, such as yourselves, in which in the time frameworks that you are generating what you view as tremendous changes within your reality, you reflect that in your environment and you alter the expression of your environment to reflect what you are generating inwardly.

Now; not all individuals incorporate this type of outward expression. But I may express to you, there are many individuals that generate a similar type of energy and similar types of actions of rearrangement of the environment as a reflection of the rearrangement of your expressions inwardly. This is not necessarily a denial or a camouflage or an ignoring of yourselves, but rather a reflection of the movement that you are generating. Some individuals choose to be reflecting in the rearrangement of their environment in altering ALL of their physical environment and relocating themselves.

JANET: I’m not ready for that! (Elias laughs) But I do see it, as we want to term it, positive. We just like to have nice things and we just like to change. Maybe not so much like this, but I don’t know why we like to have a change every now and then. I have seen people who’ve lived in the same house the way it was for 50 years, 40 years, and it seems like every four, five, six years we want to change everything. (Elias laughs) Does one happen after the other or is it all happening simultaneously?

ELIAS: Simultaneously. As you changing expressions within yourself, you also are changing expressions within your environment, which in relation to the two of you, may be viewed — as you do — as a positive expression, for it is your evidence objectively to yourselves that you are also changing expressions inwardly.

JANET: After the last time we redecorated, we adopted little girls. This is what I’m seeing here — everything seemed fine, then as we all grow and get to know each other and learn how to cohabitate for two adults and two toddlers in a house, it’s like the house started to just kind of run down, and all of the work that we put into decorating just four years ago in our time framework lost its appeal. So now here we have another major change with Leslie’s dis-ease and with all of the different types of employment that we’ve had just recently, so now it’s time to redecorate again.

ELIAS: Which also serves as an inspiration and a tremendous motivation. For as you generate this outward alteration of your environment, you, in a manner of speaking, infuse yourselves with new motivations which are quite beneficial, and this spurs you into further movement.

JANET: Last time we talked, I expressed a lot of frustration. I wasn’t sure what area it was in. With the girls, the little ones, in the house... I read on the website, and now I can’t find it again, it was a subject of intolerance to children. I think that’s the source of my frustration; I am not really sure. I know you told me to be accepting. I know I haven’t looked at it enough because I just feel so overwhelmed at times.

At times I’m thinking I PREFER my house to look this way, and you always say to start looking at what you prefer. But then when your toddlers come in and they want to destroy everything or rearrange or whatever, then that causes me conflict. What is that telling me? (Elias chuckles)

I like my house to be in order. I know that they’re trying to tell me that maybe I’m just too stuck in my ways and I need to be a little more free flowing, I guess. I prefer my house to look one way, but I realize that yes, they create their reality. They are no less creating their reality than I am. I guess it’s just going to happen like that when we conflict with each other, what they want their reality to be and what I want my reality to be.

ELIAS: Ah, but in acceptance of difference, you may also incorporate your creativity. In this, allow yourself more of an expression of flexibility to be generating an environment that is accepting of both, accepting of differences, and in that acceptance, generating an expression that allows you to express your preference but also allows for the acceptance of difference in relation to the small ones.

JANET: The way I look at it and the way I see it – and maybe you can help me with this – is that I want MY space to look a certain way and I want to feel comfortable in MY space, and if they want to express themselves and create their own reality they can do it upstairs in their space. But they want to be in my space and create their reality, and it just causes me anger. I don’t feel comfortable feeling that way with them, but anyway I’ll work on that.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Allow yourself to examine your rigidity and recognize that there are more choices than merely the black and white.

JANET: I understand. I see that a lot. Sometimes I feel like I’m too rigid. Being here and having to participate in this time framework, we have such a schedule and you know how it is with little ones! They could care less about a schedule! (Elias chuckles) And then you’re trying to keep things in order and still trying to keep them on schedule and yourself. Sometimes I just want to say, “I don’t care!” I guess I’m working on trying to be a parent and understanding this whole new shift and how everyone creates their reality and still trying to fit into this time framework.

ELIAS: Correct, and...

JANET: If I let them create their own reality, then Madelyn would not get up in the morning to go to school. She would sleep ‘til mid-morning and she would not make it to school. She would stay up all night. If she was creating her reality the way she wants to, she would stay up late and she would sleep late. Well, the reality is she has to be at school at a certain time, so I have to try to force her to... I don’t know. Does that make sense? Do you see what I’m getting at?

ELIAS: I am understanding. This is what I am expressing to you in viewing merely the black and white and not allowing yourself to incorporate other choices, but viewing your reality as trapped merely within these absolutes of the black and white: if you allow the small one to create her reality in the manner in which she desires, she shall be generating it in this particular manner; if you incorporate instruction with the small one and insist that she be creating actions that you want, you incorporate conflict.

But these are quite black and white, and it may be examined what you actually want. For in expressing what you think you want - that you want the small one to be incorporating school in a particular manner and therefore must incorporate bedtime at a particular hour and must arise in the morning at a particular hour, but you are also incorporating conflict — what do you actually want?

JANET: Like right now, that I know of? I do want her to go to school, and I don’t mind if she stays up at night. I don’t want to enforce a bedtime. If she wants to stay up, that’s fine. But that is my time for me in the evening. If she wants to stay up, she can stay in her room and stay up.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

JANET: And yes, I do want her to go to school. But if she doesn’t want to get up in the morning, are you saying don’t make her get up in the morning? Just let her be late for school, or just take her out of school? That kind of thing?

ELIAS: What I am expressing to you is to examine what you actually want, what is the source of your conflict, what you may be not allowing yourself a flexibility with, and examine your association with roles, responsibilities, and how individuals should be expressing in association with those roles, for these are all influencing beliefs.

Within your scenario, you are generating a considerable expression of frustration and conflict in attempting to be incorporating the rules in association with your society, but not allowing yourself a flexibility within your own creativity. It IS significant that you recognize your preferences and that you allow yourself to express your preferences, but also to recognize your motivations and the influences of your beliefs, and in this, allow yourself to move beyond the black and white, either/or associations, for this is what is generating much of your frustration and conflict. You view yourself to be at odds with the small ones, and in this, you may re-evaluate, recognize your preferences.

Now; your genuine preferences and...

JANET: You say that like I need to dig for those.

ELIAS: I may express to you a recognition that you identify some preferences that are surface, and they are not necessarily genuine preferences. They are associated with beliefs.

Let me clarify — all preferences are associated with beliefs. But at times, individuals may think that they are identifying a preference when in actuality they are identifying a strongly influencing belief or the responsiveness within themselves to a strongly expressed belief, and in examination of that, they may discover that the preference is not quite what they thought it was.

JANET: Like it was a surface belief.

ELIAS: Correct.

JANET: And underlying that it might be different.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; example — you express that you incorporate a preference to be incorporating your individual time and space in the evenings.

Now; I am understanding that within your energy you do express a preference to incorporate some time framework in which you may be incorporating your individual time and space, so to speak, but not necessarily associated with merely evening.

JANET: I see that. That is a belief, that all kids need to be in bed at a certain time and that’s the parents’ time.

ELIAS: Correct, associated with roles and how you view the role of the child, so to speak, and how you view your own expression, that throughout your day you have been expressing much energy, much effort, you have been responsible, you have been guiding and instructing with the small one, and within your evening hours it is the time that you incorporate to be relaxing and regenerating, for you are so very fatigued (Janet laughs) from incorporating interaction with the small one throughout the day.

Now; these are quite typical mass beliefs associated with roles. In this, you do incorporate the ability to change your perception and...

JANET: That’s altering my reality?

ELIAS: Correct. If you are viewing your day as a game rather than a struggle, your reality may be expressed quite differently.

JANET: A game, as in fun?

ELIAS: Correct, rather than work.

JANET: Right, which is why if you are doing something during the day that you loved, then it would not be work...

ELIAS: Correct.

JANET: ...but you would still generate money.

ELIAS: Correct!

JANET: It all ties back to that.

ELIAS: Correct.

JANET: Then I would not feel so short-fused with my children.

ELIAS: Correct. It is not what they are expressing or generating that generates such frustration within you. It is what YOU are expressing and your lack of incorporation of flexibility within yourself that creates this discounting of yourself, and therefore you generate frustration and conflict.

JANET: When you talk about effortlessness and fun, do those go hand in hand? Can you do something that is effortless but not be fun?

ELIAS: Yes.

JANET: It’s just my perception of it?

ELIAS: You may generate many actions that are quite effortless and may not necessarily be viewed as fun or pleasant or pleasurable or comfortable. In actuality, you generate those types of expressions quite often.

JANET: Definitely. (Elias laughs) Let me ask you one quick question, and I’ll schedule some more time to talk to you.

I find offensive in my home... Maybe it’s because I’m spending so much time here. I seem so sensitive to unpleasant odors, whether it is musty, dusty... Why am I so sensitive? I’m trying to figure out why I am so sensitive to smell. I think I even read where you told someone they could alter that perception, too.

ELIAS: You may. Different individuals incorporate different outer senses as dominant. Some individuals may express a dominance in vision or in hearing, some in touch, some in smell, some in taste. Generally speaking, each individual creates one particular outer sense and one inner sense as being dominant over the other senses.

Now; this also alters from time to time in...

JANET: I noticed that, because I used to not... Either that or I was not aware of it. But I’m more aware of that now.

ELIAS: Correct. At times, you do alter your dominant outer sense. As I have stated, all of your senses are avenues of communication. Therefore, you may be engaging one particular outer sense as dominant, which it may not normally be, as an avenue of communication that you shall observe and move your attention to more clearly, such as this action that you are incorporating.

You present to yourself what you term to be a sensitivity to smell, but in what manner for the most part? To smells that are unappealing or unattractive to you, which is a communication that you are offering to yourself in relation to actions and behaviors within yourself that are unappealing and unattractive to you.

JANET: I see that, or it could be my perception of things or the perception of my environment.

ELIAS: Correct!

JANET: I was telling you how I see and I perceive that the house has just been run down, and as that has happened it seems like there is an unpleasant musty, dusty, old smell that I never was aware of when I thought the house looked better.

ELIAS: But be remembering, within your reality individually, your environment is a reflection of what you are doing. Therefore, in this time framework you have generated actions that are no longer comfortable or appealing to you and therefore you are incorporating changes. You are becoming more aware objectively of yourself and you are incorporating a movement of change within yourself, recognizing what you term to be old behaviors or associations as unattractive to you and unappealing to you, and you reflect this outwardly in your environment.

JANET: So I’m still accomplishing?

ELIAS: Quite!

JANET: Sometimes I feel like I’m running out of time or I’m not accomplishing quickly enough, and I get frustrated with myself in that. (Elias laughs) I’ve certainly sensed that from other people as I’ve read the transcripts.

ELIAS: You are not incorporating a race, my friend. In this, do not concern yourself with speed and forget to appreciate now.

JANET: Elias, thank you again so much. I look forward to talking with you again.

In relation to my sister Leslie – just one more thing, real quick – I talked to her about you, but she looks at me sometimes like I’m strange. Obviously we don’t process information the same way. I don’t have much reliability with her. Do you foresee maybe talking with her in the future to kind of help her with her awareness and the questions to ask? Should I not even ask and just stay out of it and let her do her own asking herself her own questions?

ELIAS: It is her choice. In this, remember it is not your responsibility to be fixing or instructing, but merely to be accepting and sharing.

JANET: Sharing, as in keep my mouth shut, and if she asks me about something then I can share. But I’m not to impose my thoughts or whatever on her.

ELIAS: Correct.

JANET: That’s what I needed to know! (Elias laughs) I knew that, actually!

ELIAS: There is a potential that this individual may incorporate conversation with myself futurely, but it matters not. It is her choice.

JANET: Thank you again so much. I look forward to talking with you again.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I shall be anticipating our next conversation, and I shall be offering you energy in encouragement in the interim time framework...

JANET: Thank you. I’m always looking for that.

ELIAS: ...and perhaps incorporating some reminders to be flexible! (Laughs)

JANET: That would be good! Just don’t hurt me! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha! I shall not incorporate that!

JANET: I’m teasing! That’s great! Thank you so much. I look forward to that.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. To you in great fondness, au revoir.

JANET: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 8:10 AM.

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