Friday, February 7, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Paneus)

Elias arrives at 10:13 AM. (Arrival time is 19 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

PAUL: Good afternoon, Elias! How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

PAUL: Outstanding, but improving! (Elias laughs) Hey, you ready for a bunch of questions today?

ELIAS: Very well!

PAUL: I have a few skin spots that I think may be basal cells, cancer that I had cut out a few years ago, and I’m wondering why I am getting them. Is my body consciousness sending me a message, and if so, what is it?

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAUL: Oh, man! (Elias laughs) The only thing I’d say is that maybe it’s a form of discounting of myself. Either discounting or the fact that it’s giving me a signal that I am changing my beliefs. So, I don’t know, it’s either a form of discounting or a signal that I’m actually changing some of my beliefs or moving to different beliefs.

ELIAS: The first, in a manner of speaking, is more accurate, but is also quite black and white and perhaps slightly elementary in its vagueness of discounting of yourself. In this, it is associated with your image of yourself, creating this manifestation as an outward reflection of how you image yourself in association with your beliefs. This is associated in part to beliefs concerning sexuality.

PAUL: Sexuality as in the sex part, or the man/woman-type part?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, both, for it is associated with your image of yourself in relation to how you express yourself in relation to sexuality.

PAUL: Boy, I don’t know. That’s a puzzling one to me. I’m going to have to really...

ELIAS: This is also associated with expressions of intimacy.

Now; this is not necessarily confined to what you associate as intimacy between yourself and another individual, but also the intimacy that you may or may not express within yourself, to yourself.

PAUL: I always thought I was making progress in this. Are those skin spots something I should worry about getting treated from the standard medical profession, if my beliefs...? I’ve adopted the belief that I don’t have to go to a standard doctor to get better. I’m trying to follow that new choice, if you will.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and as you are aware, this is your choice. What I may suggest to you is that you allow yourself to genuinely examine your beliefs and allow yourself to acknowledge beliefs that you incorporate. This is not to say that you may not choose to be moving in different directions and incorporating different choices, but in acknowledging the beliefs that you incorporate in relation to physicians and medical practices, you may allow yourself to more efficiently neutralize those beliefs and therefore move in choices of different beliefs more easily.

PAUL: I thought — and I’m going to tie this into some other stuff — I thought you could recognize your old beliefs, that seeing a doctor if you needed to deal with a particular disease or issue, I thought it is as simple as recognizing that I have that belief — it was very strong and it felt very strong — but choosing to accept another belief and say, “Okay, I recognize the old belief and I choose to go with the accepted new belief.”

ELIAS: Or express another belief.

PAUL: Yes!

ELIAS: Yes — but this is not necessarily associated with thought, and this is the significance of genuinely examining your beliefs and recognizing whether you are continuing to express those beliefs or whether you merely disagree with those beliefs but are continuing to express them. Are you understanding?

PAUL: Yes! (Laughs) I’m not sure I know how to tell, but I understand that one.

ELIAS: In this, it is not a question of merely expressing to yourself in thoughts “I choose not to be expressing this one belief any longer.” You may incorporate that thought repeatedly over and over, and it shall not necessarily change your concentration, for this is not the function of thought.

Therefore, it is significant that you allow yourself to genuinely evaluate what you are actually expressing. Many times individuals may express a belief, but they may say that they do not incorporate that belief any longer merely for the reason that they do not agree with that belief. But this is not to say that they are necessarily not expressing it any longer.

PAUL: Well, let me ask you this. Am I far enough along in accepting the new beliefs regarding medical treatment for myself? (Pause)

ELIAS: Partially. You are expressing a strength in different beliefs, but the other beliefs continue to be expressed also.

PAUL: Battling beliefs, huh? (Both laugh)

Okay, let me slide on to another question; it carries over to an extent. I still get in arguments, I guess, regarding differences in perception with my daughter and my ex-wife, and this leads to frustration. It’s probably a source of my acid reflux that I have. I’ve tried centering and listening to myself, I’ve tried to pay attention within the now when it happens, and I’ve also tried releasing my anger and emotion rather than withholding it. I’m not sure the best way for me to address these situations. When they use the “hate” word, I know that’s a discounting of myself, it’s a reflection to myself, and I recognize that when it’s happening or shortly thereafter. I wondered if there’s a different way or different perspective I should use on these situations?

ELIAS: What do you perceive to be your motivation in such situations that spur you into anger? (Pause) What motivates you?

PAUL: Like I may have said in the other sessions we had, they are not reacting the way I think they should react, or the difference in their perception of the situation.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; in that, examine what you are attempting to generate.

PAUL: Control.

ELIAS: Now; why?

PAUL: Because I don’t agree with their actions.

ELIAS: And therefore you attempt to alter the expressions or the choices of these other individuals to more conform to what you do agree with.

PAUL: So the solution, or a solution, would be to just accept their actions as their actions, and not try to do the old judgmental thing.

ELIAS: And be paying attention to you! THIS is the significant element.

Now; in such a type of scenario in which you are engaging in conflict with either of these individuals, what you are doing is projecting your attention to the other individual, generating an immediate assessment of how you wish the other individual would change their expression or behavior.

Now; you are not paying attention to you. In the moment you are not inquiring of yourself “what do I want?” And if you are, in one particular moment, you are not responding to yourself in a genuine manner, for your response is that you want the other individual to change, which is not paying attention to you and is not answering what YOU want.

PAUL: So I should focus in on myself when they say or do some action that I would initially disagree with.

ELIAS: Let me offer to you an example. Generally speaking, and not in association with conflict, what do you want to express in relation to your daughter?

PAUL: I want to express peace, if you will.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: No conflict.

ELIAS: No. I express to you not in association with conflict; therefore, the statement of no conflict is irrelevant and is not associated with my question. What I am inquiring of you is what do you want to express in relation to your daughter?

PAUL: (Sighs) You know, there are times when I almost felt like saying to her I don’t love her, in a given situation.

ELIAS: Do you want to love this individual?

PAUL: Well, yes! I mean, she’s my daughter.

ELIAS: Ah! This matters not. That is an expression of obligation. I am asking what you want.

PAUL: (Sighs) I would say no, or not necessarily.

ELIAS: But your beliefs associated with roles express within yourself that you SHOULD want to express love or affection to this individual for she is your daughter and you are her father, and in association with those roles, the obligation is that you should be expressing these types of offerings, so to speak, and that you should feel this affection or love in relation to this individual.

Do you like this individual?

PAUL: (Laughs) Well, yeah! I mean, I like HER. I don’t like some of her actions.

ELIAS: Very well. This is significant. You like the individual but you do not like her behaviors, which is quite understandable and quite common. Individuals do not always agree with each other’s behaviors, but this is not to say that they do not incorporate a liking of another individual.

Now; what is significant is that you recognize what YOU want to express. If you want to express affection or appreciation for another individual but the other individual is generating an expression that is instigating conflict, in turning your attention to you and identifying what YOU want to express — rather than preoccupying yourself with what the other individual is expressing — you may allow yourself permission to outwardly express what you want, which alters the scenario.

PAUL: So, what I want in a given situation, or what I want overall with my daughter?

ELIAS: In the moment. But it is also significant to recognize what you want in general also, for this offers you information. If you do not want to be expressing affection in relation to this individual, it is pointless to attempt to force yourself to be appreciating of the individual in a moment of conflict, for the likelihood is that you do not wish to be expressing an appreciation. Are you understanding?

PAUL: I think. So I should be true to myself, my inner feelings.

ELIAS: Correct! And therefore not force yourself to be expressing in manners which you actually do not want, but also to recognize what you genuinely do want and allow yourself permission to be expressing that, regardless of how the other individual is expressing.

PAUL: I’ll ponder that one. Let me ask you one more question on my daughter, and then we’ll move on. My daughter has lost several glasses over the last couple of years, and I was thinking that she was trying to tell me that maybe she really does not need glasses, or is her action of losing the glasses symbolic of some other message?

ELIAS: And I shall pose to you, what expresses to you that she is offering you a message? She may be generating repeated imagery in association with some communication that she is expressing to herself. The question is what are YOU expressing to yourself in association with this imagery, not what she is expressing to you. What are YOU offering to yourself?

PAUL: Then again, the initial thought I’ve had off and on is that she doesn’t need glasses, otherwise she wouldn’t lose them all the time.

ELIAS: But this is not your communication to you.

PAUL: Maybe it’s that when I see her I need to look at her in a different way.

ELIAS: Ah! THIS is much more of your communication to you.

PAUL: That new way may be associated with that other question we were discussing at length.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you have presented to yourself imagery that is quite symbolic but also quite specific, to perhaps remove the spectacles that YOU are viewing through, remove the lenses that you are viewing her through, and allow yourself to incorporate a clearer vision.

PAUL: That’s scary. I mean scary because I’m not sure what my vision is with her yet. I’ll start jotting down some ideas.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: Let me go into a history question. I’ve seen some discussions about the Egyptian symbolic ankh. How did the Egyptians use that? I gotta believe it’s more than just a purely symbolic thing, that it was actually some type of tool.

ELIAS: And what is your impression?

PAUL: I want to say it’s a tool but I don’t know what it’s used for! Maybe it’s a catalyst-type tool that opens up something, some capability for something else, whether it be within the individual...

ELIAS: A type of focal point to focus the attention in a specific manner that allows individuals to be expressing abilities in manners that are not incorporated in their usual routine, so to speak.

PAUL: So, extraordinary abilities, then. You basically said it would be used as something to do out of the ordinary.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

PAUL: So, they used it in the form of focusing.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Did they put it on a part of the body, or did they just...?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the practices of the individuals — at times, but not generally.

PAUL: So it wasn’t really a catalyst by itself.

ELIAS: No.

PAUL: So, again, it was more of a symbolic device. I’m just trying to understand this.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, for it is associated with the focused attention of the individual not the thing, in similar manner to how individuals in this time framework, and in others also, incorporate the usage of crystals.

Within themselves, they do not actually generate specific powers, so to speak, but they may be incorporated as a type of conduit in which energy may be focused in relation to the object. Dependent upon the concentration of the individual in relation to certain abilities, they may incorporate that stone as a focal point to streamline their energy in a specific manner.

PAUL: But I could go out and buy an ankh today, and I could use it in the same fashion as crystals?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Neither one is better versus the other.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: It’s very interesting! I like that approach. I might be able to use that in my screenplay, which I’ll ask you later on.

My essence name — am I connected with the god Pan or the representation of the god Pan? People have told me that my essence name means I am Pan.

ELIAS: You generate a strong preference in essence to that character.

PAUL: But that character was a mythological character, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: It’s weird, because I don’t feel an affinity for that mythological character.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but be remembering, my friend, that we are speaking of you as the whole of essence, and every focus of attention does not necessarily recognize or realize all of the preferences of essence. You generate an association that this one focus is the clearest representation of you as essence, but this is one attention.

PAUL: Well, I’ll go back and read up on Pan and maybe something will spark me.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Very well!

PAUL: You were in a dream of mine saying something like it was too early to meet, and I wasn’t sure if it was regarding a session, like a phone session. Was that you saying that, or was that a symbolic message to myself of something else?

ELIAS: This has been my interaction with you.

PAUL: What were you saying? What were you trying to communicate to me? That it was too early to do this session, or too early to do something else?

ELIAS: Not in relation to this session, but in relation to timing associated with different actions and not overwhelming yourself.

PAUL: Kind of like don’t force my energy, huh?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: (Laughs) I had a dream where I was speeding past a corner and a cop was signaling me to slow down. Was that your involvement in that too, or was that just myself telling me to slow down?

ELIAS: That is you.

PAUL: I had a dream a few weeks back about relocating to London to open a restaurant there with my brothers and sisters, and there was a scene where it was my present self riding in my car with my either alternate or future self, and I was having a conversation with that other self and my daughter in the car. Was this a probable future event or just an alternate self? What was that?

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAUL: (Laughs) That it was a probable future, but I sure can’t visualize that in the probable future!

ELIAS: Now; pay attention to the imagery and rather than guessing, attempt an impression as to what you were presenting to yourself. (Pause)

PAUL: Change.

ELIAS: Yes, associated with your relationship with your daughter. Therefore, you present what appears to you to be a probable future self AND yourself also.

PAUL: But not in a literal fashion, more in a figurative fashion.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I gotta rethink that one! (Elias laughs) I sort of skipped around here, too many questions.

Buying a BMW car that we talked about in the last session, I have moved closer to that purchase, and as I have done so I’ve run into conflict with the different salesmen because I believe they’re not offering a fair price, a fair deal. I’m wondering instead of taking a big leap of faith and buying the vehicle at a higher price, that I’m forcing my energy and I should sit back and relax and just try to visualize the ownership of the vehicle instead.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you may engage either choice and generate the vehicle, but what is significant in this is your association with what you are creating, and this is also associated with your relationships.

What you are addressing to is the belief of fairness. For in your mundane terms, the price of the vehicle matters not. If you wish to incorporate the vehicle, if this is your want, you shall, and its price is irrelevant. But your association with fairness IS relevant.

PAUL: Well, my finances are not as substantial as I’d like to see them today, in this present moment focus. That is also a leap of faith, I understand. I just would be extremely uncomfortable, even if I resolved this fairness issue with these salesmen, to buy the vehicle, and I prefer at this given stage to visualize it being in my possession versus going out today and using my reserve of savings at my end.

ELIAS: This once again is significant, my friend, for this is a matter of paying attention to you, paying attention to what you want, and also paying attention to your communications, what generates conflict and what does not, and what is your motivation — which I may express to you is the theme of this conversation!

PAUL: It is? (Elias chuckles) “What is my motivation”?

ELIAS: And whether you are genuinely paying attention to you.

PAUL: I’ll have to think about that. You’re going to get me really thinking, that’s for sure! (Elias laughs) I don’t fully understand that. But I will! (Laughs) Simultaneous time notwithstanding, I’ll figure that one out! It’s a matter of when, not if.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Let me express to you, in any expressed time framework, generally speaking, individuals may be presenting to themselves beliefs and subject matters that they are addressing to in that time framework, and in that action it shall be presented in many forms of imagery. Just as I have expressed many times previously, objective imagery is highly abstract; therefore, for one action that you may be engaging subjectively, you may incorporate thousands of expressions of objective imagery.

Therefore, you may begin noticing that regardless of how unrelated subjects may appear or seem to you surfacely, if you are genuinely paying attention to yourself and to your beliefs and what is motivating the actions that you are incorporating, you shall begin to view many different types of objective imagery that all relate to the same action. Regardless of whether it be interaction with other individuals concerning a vehicle, or interaction in conflict with your daughter or your partner, or your expression concerning finances, it matters not, for you are generating objective imagery in many manners that are all associated with the same subject.

PAUL: Now, when you say the theme of this conversation today is what is my motivation...

ELIAS: And are you paying attention to yourself.

PAUL: (Laughs) I am not paying to attention to myself consistently in the now because I... Here’s the way I visualize it in an analogy. I’m in this whole personal shift of mine, accepting new beliefs and paying attention in the now, paying attention to myself. It’s like a bird hatching out of an egg. I’ve cracked the shell, I can see the outside, I can even stick my head out a little bit, but I’m not quite strong enough to climb out of the egg entirely yet.

ELIAS: Ha h aha! I am understanding your analogy. But you are moving!

PAUL: I like that. When you say “what is my motivation,” are you saying that in regard to that given situation, or are you saying in regard to my theme or my intent?

ELIAS: In relation to the action in the moment.

PAUL: Let me jump to a dream I had the other night that was sort of puzzling me. I was with this young woman in my dream, and we were kind of being romantic, actually it was kind of more aggressive on my part, but as her shirt was lifted and her stomach was revealed, I saw these bubble-like blisters on her stomach. This was a person I did not recognize. What’s that symbolism representing?

ELIAS: This is actually a viewing of another focus.

PAUL: Oh, cool! In this dimension or a different dimension?

ELIAS: This dimension.

PAUL: I was the person with the bubbles on my stomach?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Why did I think there was not much of an issue with that? Even though I was the person taking the shirt off this young woman, you’re saying I’m actually the young woman?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: What timeframe?

ELIAS: Middle 1800s.

PAUL: What were those blisters?

ELIAS: Associated with a burn, but not what you term to be life threatening.

PAUL: Why did I view this focus, for any particular reason? Was it related to my acid reflux?

ELIAS: In actually, yes, you have drawn this focus to yourself purposefully, for as you recognize, the manifestation seemed to you to be insignificant — although were you to be incorporating that manifestation in this now, your association would be quite different. Therefore, you have offered yourself an example of different perceptions and how differently that influences your reality.

PAUL: So this woman’s perception was that it was not a big deal.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: And it was conveyed to me to don’t focus on my acid reflux, it’s not a big deal.

ELIAS: Or rather to be recognizing that you do concentrate a significant amount of energy in relation to this manifestation, and in not concentrating that volume of energy upon the manifestation, it becomes less significant.

PAUL: So, almost like I should ignore it.

ELIAS: This is slightly more black and white than I would suggest.

PAUL: I’ll translate that to say listen for the communication, and don’t focus so much of my thoughts on the signal.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: I want to jump to a different question. Based on my present focus and the potentiality I have in my life, will my disengagement date be around the year 2044?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Interesting speculation! That probability and choice has not been engaged; therefore, I may not express to you an identification of a date or even an approximation of a date of your disengagement, for you choose that action in a moment.

PAUL: I’m not going to disengage any time soon based on a current path I’m on?

ELIAS: Not in association with the movement that you are creating now, no.

PAUL: Okay, I can wait then. Was the name of my WWI pilot focus Ernst Hess?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Ah! That was a tough one. I was looking at a lot of different names and that was tough to figure that out! (Elias laughs) So in the picture in my room, that is the guy, as I face the picture, of the three men in the picture, that’s the man with the elbow on the plane.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Cool — I like that! Elias, how many focuses do I have that incorporate the activity of like a shaman, a wizard, a priestess and other types along those veins?

ELIAS: Twenty-two.

PAUL: Ooo, cool! (Elias laughs)

I’m seeking a clue for a final breakthrough to the climax of my screenplay. The guy I’m working with up in Toronto believes once I hit that idea that it will sell itself. We won’t have to do much marketing because it will be such a good idea that it will sell itself. What could I do to achieve that final breakthrough? I’ve been trying to do different things to come up with that final breakthrough idea, and I think I’m getting very, very close. Maybe I’m already there but I just don’t recognize it.

ELIAS: Be playful, relax, and allow yourself to genuinely listen to your communication of imagination. Imagination is an avenue of communication and it is quite real. Therefore in playfulness, not in seriousness, but in playfulness allow yourself to listen to your communications of imagination. The playfulness is key, for this will allow you to generate your creativity without forcing.

PAUL: I’ve been recently playing some music while I do some brainstorming, motivational music for me. Is that sort of the right path, if you will?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, for this offers you somewhat of a distraction, which allows you to not concentrate your attention in forcing your energy but allows you to express more of a relaxation. Allow yourself to be incorporating a lightheartedness, my friend, in playfulness, and you shall offer yourself a much clearer communication.

PAUL: Would another playful activity be almost like word association, brainstorming?

ELIAS: Partially, but not in intensity.

PAUL: Let me jump to a few other questions. I’ve got such a long list and we probably won’t get through every one. We should work on that simultaneous time thing with these questions!

I’ve been focusing, trying not to force my energy, to get information about this priestess, this Egyptian priestess. I had a dream, and unfortunately I didn’t write it down because I sort of discounted the name. Puzzled by the name — it was a very common name. It was a name like I would almost say would be a woman’s name in today’s timeframe, you know, within the last 20 or 30 years, and not a name that at all sounds Egyptian. Was that her name or could that have been her name? It didn’t make sense. I don’t think it made sense.

ELIAS: You are confusing focuses.

PAUL: How about this one, Wasee Namaste? It’s one of the words I’ve been expressing in my relaxed focus during the course of the day, and I looked up both those words. Wasee was the name of an Indian leader, and Namaste is Sanskrit for honoring thyself within. Was that a name of one of my focuses, or was this just a combination of energy communications?

ELIAS: Both.

PAUL: You’re going to have to explain. Wasee was the name of one focus, and Namaste was the name of another focus?

ELIAS: No. The combination of terms is the name of one focus, but it is also a communication to you.

PAUL: I get the communication about Namaste. What does the communication Wasee mean? I got it as the first name of an Indian chief.

ELIAS: Which is significant in association with your beliefs concerning these individuals. What is your association with that type of manifestation?

PAUL: Bravery, love of nature, that type of thing.

ELIAS: And power.

PAUL: Cool. So Wasee Namaste was a focus, or is a focus of mine?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Can you give me a...

ELIAS: Investigate!

PAUL: Oh! Damn! (Elias laughs) You’re not even going to give me a timeframe either!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! This is an element of your practicing, my friend!

PAUL: That priestess’ name has been eluding me for some time, and is there some reason why I haven’t picked up her name yet?

ELIAS: For you are trying quite hard.

PAUL: Maybe, okay. I will not focus on her for the next few days or a week and I’ll see what happens.

ELIAS: Very well!

PAUL: WWII question — did I have a focus named Ruth who was fleeing from capture over water?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Was she a refugee?

ELIAS: Not precisely, but was quite fearing for her focus.

PAUL: So I was not a soldier during WWII. I was a civilian.

ELIAS: You incorporate more than one focus in that time framework.

PAUL: What’s my other focus? It’s got to be a German soldier, because I’ve had a lot of dreams of manning some outpost and running out of ammunition, fighting like Russians and stuff like that.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: As a German officer?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: How could I have a different, how could I... I won’t ask. I won’t waste the time on that.

What is beyond the edge of our universe as we presently develop this form of camouflage? What’s out there beyond the stretches of our perceptions and ability to create this universe? What is that?

ELIAS: Nothing. (Laughs) For it is consciousness, and consciousness is not a thing.

PAUL: My intent — I’m going to take a stab. I still have so many questions here. I was meditating on this a while back and I came up with a word like water or watcher or washa, or something like that. It’s maybe a name, an intent name, if you will. Am I sort of there? (Elias chuckles) If I’m somewhat partially close, that would be cool.

ELIAS: Evaluate the THEME of all of your experiences within this focus, and you shall identify your intent.

PAUL: I’ve been jotting it down almost every week. I gotta be getting close! (Elias laughs)

Let me ask you a couple more questions, because I don’t want to be running out of time. I had a dream where there is a linkage...

Tape runs out at 11:15 AM.

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