Session 1268




Friday, February 7, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Myranda)

Elias arrives at 7:43 AM. (Arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANJULI: Good afternoon, Elias! I just said to Mary, I always create something else about our sessions. This time I was not bored during the last hour before the session. Usually this hour is so long, but this time I fell asleep until ten minutes before the session started.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You are entertaining yourself in a different manner!

ANJULI: Yes! I saw, for example, the last session, the session of my mother, before it was also another type of session because I said a sentence and then you talked and talked and talked! (Elias chuckles) Interesting things, so I am always entertaining myself with new sorts of experiences.

ELIAS: Now; I also shall be expressing to you a reminder and clarification concerning our last meeting in association with your mother. You are understanding that I have offered explanations to her in association with what she understands, for some of the information that I offered to her I am aware may be easily distorted; but in recognition of the interaction with that particular individual and her understanding in association with her beliefs in this present time framework, I am merely clarifying to you that my explanations were simplified.

ANJULI: Yes, I thought that.

ELIAS: Very well. (Pause)

ANJULI: Since apparently I have lots of transitional imagery since we talked about my mother and my dad, I thought we could probably talk a little bit more about that?

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: And also about what it means for me and what I am undergoing. I am also a little bit curious about him.

ELIAS: In what capacity?

ANJULI: Just to get that confirmed, my experience with my father when he was in hospital and my mother was with him, that I did not feel a need to go there physically and that I connected energetically with him or projected to him sometimes. But in general, there was a feeling that I do not need to go there and that he feels my energy presence.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Was he in that time already as if his body was more like an energy deposit? I mean, of course, he was in our terms still alive, but he was, so to speak, already with most of his percentage in Regional Area 3?

ELIAS: No. Let me offer explanation that the individual continued to be directing of his physical focus in your reality but his attention, as I offered explanation to your mother, was focused more subjectively than objectively. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, the attention was more directed in what we term to be Regional Area 2.

ANJULI: I understand. Also in these past months he was more in Regional Area 2?


ANJULI: Did he experience this like dreaming or what? What did he experience?

ELIAS: Not entirely. At times, yes, but not entirely, for this is the area of consciousness associated with your physical reality, your physical dimension, but in an expression of a different manner.

In a manner of speaking, at times it is experienced in similar manner to dream state, but it also has been experienced by him in a movement of projections of essence, so to speak, in association with different focuses within this physical dimension, and also expressing movements in Regional Area 2, which were associated with the action of transition in preparation, so to speak, for immediate movement into nonphysical transition.

ANJULI: Then from the time of his death on he was in Regional Area 3?


ANJULI: Was he aware of his death?

ELIAS: Yes, and generating a choice and a movement that you may term to be directly into the actual nonphysical transition.

ANJULI: So he did not take rest before undertaking nonphysical transition?

ELIAS: In your terms, yes.

ANJULI: Is he already starting to shed a little bit his beliefs?


ANJULI: He seems for me much more expanded already. Or because time is there not like our time is, was I connecting with a sort of future of him? Or is this experience of me feeling him to be quite expanded a connection with a recent time of his transition after his death?

ELIAS: Not necessarily associated with time, but yes, your experience of him in expansiveness is correct, for it is an incorporation of expanded awareness.

ANJULI: When I am sometimes feeling into the interconnectedness of all essences and have some expanded experiences and including him in my awareness, does he then participate in my experience of joy and experiencing that, too? Expansion, not joy.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Then I was curious, because as he is disengaged, other focuses may have disengaged too. He may have had some focuses in the same time framework, so I tried to feel into them. There was an impression that a focus of his essence, Quan Ti, is the person called Ross Feltus who is a photographer and the father of Barbara Becker, who was the wife of the German ex-tennis champion Boris Becker. Ross Feltus is the focus name of that father.


ANJULI: Oh, interesting, because Ross Feltus died of a certain type of cancer. My mom has always had the fear that my dad could have that type of cancer, and I told her to comfort her that he could have disengaged because of something else, not Alzheimer disease, and with this choice he at least did not have any pain. So his other focus had a little bit of pain sometimes or had much pain but had an experience of how to deal with that?


ANJULI: We were also thinking, could that be a focus of him, the cartoonist in New York called Al Hirschfeld? (Pause)


ANJULI: Yes, it is a different energy. Ling Tu had a feeling when the father of someone she knows disengaged. He was a driver’s education teacher and his name was Aaron Sincoff. Is that another focus of Quan Ti?


ANJULI: Oh, she will be delighted! It is so interesting what Ling Tu is creating! That’s interesting! Was the Austrian painter with the name Winterhalter, who painted the most famous pictures of my focus Empress Sisi of Austria, another focus of Quan Ti?


ANJULI: Then I had the feeling that my future focus Nathan Forrester knows focuses of Birdeet and Quan Ti, the essences of my parents, and that they are brothers called Bert and Keith Eaton. Is this correct?


ANJULI: I had a feeling of much more connecting with the essence of my parents, not just with this particular focus of them as my parents, when I started to feel into their other focuses, and this gave me a new perception of my parents also.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: Could it be that sometimes with those who are in our family unit that we much more have our attention on the personality and that this is sometimes why we get into conflicts with them much more?

ELIAS: In association with what? Clarify.

ANJULI: I had the feeling that I was in the past with my parents less connecting with them as essence than with those individuals who are not part of my family, especially when they are not in my physical near, and I am wondering about that.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, but this is not necessarily associated with personality, but partially with the type of relationship and the familiarity within physical focus.

ANJULI: Then, within my own transition, am I addressing and exploring a lot the relationship beliefs right now?


ANJULI: Because I was thinking about that, also with what you said to my mother and with what I sort of got as message to myself from, so to speak, behind what you said to my mother.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: When I think back about my life and about what I thought that I desired for my life, I thought I very much desire for, as we all do, a romantic relationship.


ANJULI: Yes, well, of course that is a nice desire! I am now thinking that I had thought that I want it in the familiar old way and I may still from time to time want to create it objectified like that, but I think what I really want is what I already have created. This is an unusual relationship like with you or with Timothy, the future focus of Eliantan, or something like that. At first I was thinking that probably I believe that I cannot create this normal kind of relationship in the way I like, but I think I am probably not really wanting it, and that this, what I already created, is more interesting for me. Or am I still translating my own wants not correctly?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you are examining your wants and also what you have created and the influences of your beliefs somewhat accurately in actuality, for you are recognizing that you do continue to express beliefs in association with physical relationships in romantic capacity.

There is somewhat of a slight want to be generating that type of manifestation, but you are also recognizing that you incorporate a much greater want in association with what you are already creating. For within your expression presently and in recent past time framework especially, you generate more of a curiosity and an excitement in exploring different types of relationships that are unfamiliar for the reason that they ARE unfamiliar and therefore also incorporate surprise.

ANJULI: I was for example also examining other wants I could have about what sort of plans, so to speak, I could make for my life, and also tried to identify what I think that I can’t create or if it is just a lack of interest. I remembered that sentence once Maharishi was telling us: “Don’t desire for what you think you can get, desire for what you really want!” Since that time I started to explore what I really want and what I think I want, because I believe that just this is what I can create.

Within that, I remembered also my big interest during the time when I was in Maharishi’s movement to, let’s say, create undertaking the courses or whatever, how that felt and how much interest I had, how much my attention was there and how much I really believed I can create what I want, and I did create it. And later, after the time when I had left, I did not feel the same interest anymore in other areas, like trying to find a job or creating an interesting relationship or whatever. There was not the same feeling of deepest inner interest, just a feeling of a change of the direction. Then I found you, and all of sudden this deepest inner interest is there again.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and in this, you are offering yourself considerable information in relation to yourself, which is the point, my friend and which I have been expressing to many individuals recently in relation to recognizing what beliefs you incorporate as being expressed, knowing that these are not absolutes, allowing yourself to become familiar with your preferences genuinely, and therefore allowing yourself to be expressing more clarity in association with what you want, accomplishing this through the examination of what you are actually creating rather than what you think you want.

ANJULI: When this deep inner interest in something is there, then I also easily create that. I can’t create an interest in something I am not interested in, although I sometimes tried that. So that does not work! This means our attention and interest moves by itself, as you said, within our intent and within our want. I can train to put my attention on self, but my wants and interests are sort of by itself?

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are expressing. In a manner of speaking, yes, you are correct, for what you are identifying is that it is unnecessary and you need not be thinking of your want and you shall create it regardless.

You do not have to be thinking of your want prior of its manifestation. You automatically create in association with your desires and your value fulfillment, and this requires no effort and no thought process.

ANJULI: I was also thinking why during the past weeks I was not putting my attention more on Myr and my other focus and the island, and Elias sometimes, and why I have my attention on my parents and on what is happening or certain feelings. Then I thought that after all, I have already talked with you about how I create. I thought, okay, if right now my attention is not there, it does not mean that I do not create it. I was exploring in the recent past certain aspects and they are not making a difference to create what I want. I can trust myself in my interest or wherever my attention is drawn. I will always create what I desire to create.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Then I paid more attention to all the various communications I gave to myself, for example also my imagery, even seeming unimportant imageries, and I saw how I all the time give so many communications to myself, interesting ones once I pay attention, and that I just had not paid attention to that.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And what interesting communications have you offered to yourself? (Laughs)

ANJULI: Well, an example was when I went to the graveyard with my mother. She wants me to be with her, partially because there is snow outside and it is slippery, and also she does not want to go there alone. At first I thought my mother to be another individual and I am going to the graveyard to offer helpfulness to her. The graveyard is a graveyard and I did not really or deeply want to go there, you know, all these usual things of how I perceived it in the past.

When going there I paid attention, and then I saw the snow is not snow. The snow is also an imagery and a communication. The snow is white, so for me it stands for the subjective, there were lots of subjective impressions. The path to the graveyard was a little bit slippery, and the graveyard stands for transition or the unfamiliar, and the path to it is the path of transition or the path into the unfamiliar. At first I saw it in terms of my mother, that my mother is now much more ready than before to go into the unfamiliar, because in the past she would not have been going outside twice a day and would not have been going in the snow. So it is a message to myself about her movement, which is helpful to me to understand her and what I create. Her movement is that she is now ready to more explore the unfamiliar, although she needs my presence or a little bit of support from me.

ELIAS: Quite! Interesting information you have offered to yourself, and quite accurate. Now you begin to allow yourself to recognize the validity of genuinely paying attention to yourself and the volume of information that is available to you that you present to yourself in the moments that you are paying attention.

ANJULI: Yes. I saw that really seemingly unimportant actions are, when I pay attention, important information.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So I do not only give myself important information when I have a session with you!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Quite, and this is the point, my friend, that you are offering yourself information continuously. It is merely a matter of whether you are paying attention or not, and this is quite the point.

This is what I have been expressing to you all for quite an extended time framework, that there is no information that is hidden from you. There are no motivations, no influences that are hidden from you, and there is not some other entity directing your choices without your permission and therefore confusing you. It is merely a matter of attention and moving your attention, noticing what you do and what motivates that, and allowing yourself to pay attention to the information that you offer to yourself, which is constant.

ANJULI: I then felt that there was no other individual and there was no graveyard. I understood why you say objective imagery is quite abstract, because it did not feel anymore like before. I felt that when I am engaging interaction with other individuals, and I am not comfortably in my room connecting with Myr or Elias or what, when I think I do something with somebody else, it is still all me. It is all about me. Even this information that I got about my mother was, of course, about me, about my own movement into the unfamiliar and some desire for assistance from time to time.

ELIAS: Correct. But also you have allowed yourself, in this movement of paying attention to yourself and allowing yourself, to move your attention in different manners in an expression of new excitement, have you not?

ANJULI: Yes, I found it very exciting!

ELIAS: And a new expression of appreciation of yourself and of your world, for you are altering your perception and therefore generating a different reality than you have expressed previously, which is the excitement of exploring within your physical dimension rather than creating anxiety in association with the perception that movement through your focus or your reality is a drudgery, but rather that it is a wondrous exploration of yourself and all that you may perceive and accomplish and experience within your physical dimension. This is more of a recognition of the expression of essence.

ANJULI: Yes, and Elias, once I see that objective imagery is abstract and always is a communication to self, this would mean that I can create a different objective imagery about the same message. It does not need to be the familiar one.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Since a while I wanted to ask you that again, because whenever I imagine I would be in Regional Area 3, I just imagine it or I imagine to be in your dimension and to be a sort of exception. So I would be in your dimension and would from time to time have a perception and I use objective imagery. When I imagine that I always feel that, I just feel into energy and then translate the energy into any form without thinking of any laws. When I think that I am here, I do think that there are laws, like time or... I don’t think that I can wake up in a new house unless I imagine that I wake up as another focus. You understand what I mean?


ANJULI: It seems that I think that when I am in another dimension or in another Regional Area, I can feel into energy and translate that directly into form. For example, I imagine to be in Regional Area 3 and then I would, for example, create a house in a tree as an imagery and live there for fun. I would believe that I can do that, whereas whenever I think I am in this dimension, then I think it is much more solid. Sometimes I do not feel there to be Regional Areas or what, and then this objective imagery does not feel like that anymore. I wanted to know if objective imagery is just that, a translation of the energies I am experiencing.

ELIAS: Yes, and in this, as you continue experimenting with perception and with moving your attention, you also are relaxing your association with singularity and therefore allowing yourself much more of a flexibility in your movement.

The recognition of imagery being abstract is significant, for this is quite influencing of your own allowance of yourself to be generating many different expressions of objective imagery, which does, in a manner of speaking, create less of a solidity in effect, so to speak, in association with your waking reality.

ANJULI: So as it seems to be helpful when I don’t perceive myself to be in this dimension, I can use that, that playfulness of not perceiving there to be various... Well, just perceiving me being consciousness and then I don’t have to think of dimensions or Regional Areas. I don’t know how to express that!

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, which generates less of a solidity within your physical reality. This is an action of thinning the veil of separation and generating less of a solidness within your physical reality, knowing that you may incorporate that solidity if you are choosing, but you may also de-solidify your reality if you are choosing.

In this, as I expressed at the onset of this forum, this is part, so to speak, of the action of this shift, in which you relax the rigidity of your attention and allow yourselves to generate your objective reality in a manner similar to your dream imagery. For within your dream imagery or your dream state, so to speak, you relax your attention and therefore you do not hold as tightly to your beliefs. You allow yourselves to be much more accepting of your beliefs, which allows you much more of a freedom of movement. This is the point that you are accomplishing in your objective waking reality also.

ANJULI: So I don’t have to think about time or... This is another thing, because I still see that when I think of the Alterversity, Myr and all of them, and that island to be in that other time. I think of concepts, of time and of this dimension, then I am suddenly less flexible in my attention, apparently. The beliefs of thinking that I cannot create what I want are much stronger. Whereas, when I just forget about that and feel that anything could happen at any point and don’t think of these types of what I call laws, then it is very different

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I felt to come closer to that when I started to feel, like with the graveyard imagery, that objective imagery is quite abstract. This was so funny because I saw how when I do that I am surrounded with something else than what I thought I am surrounding myself with.

ELIAS: Yes, I am quite understanding.

ANJULI: This would also include even details which are so far so normal for me that I don’t think them as a communication, like the color of the walls in my apartment or the feelings of dislike of what I am surrounding myself with in my apartment or boringness or whatever? When I see that as a message and also as abstract, then it becomes more flexible?


ANJULI: I was also a little bit curious about impressions. I always have many impressions, but I am now attempting to complete my list of focuses. I sort of need an overview or something to start with the list of my past focuses, so I thought I start with how many numbers I have in which time frameworks. I had the feeling that I have 30 focuses in the time framework between now and what we call the year 1 AD. So after Christ was born, there were 30 focuses between that time framework and the time framework before my present focuses were born, so to speak?


ANJULI: It was a bit challenging but, after all, I got the future time frameworks also, so the first focus I ever had is that 15,320 BC?

ELIAS: In linear time?



ANJULI: Is that the Milumet/Milumet focus we talked about in the first session that is in a tribe and is living near a moor?


ANJULI: That is that! Because then you asked me the time framework of that focus, and it took me over a year to get it! (Laughs)

Then I am interested in my shift focuses. I have now the shift focuses of the present and the future of the shift, but the past shift would be Tatjana Romanov, a little bit within the shift, then there is my World War II focus Tanja and there is the World War II focus Evan Petrovic. I think there could be more. Do I have a World War II focus with the name Jim Johnson who is an American pilot throwing bombs on Germany?


ANJULI: Even on Dresden?


ANJULI: Is he married or has a relationship with a woman from Japan?


ANJULI: I think there could be two more in the time framework of the 20th century, one in Asia, maybe India, and one in Australia. Or not?

ELIAS: Australia.

ANJULI: And a second one or not?


ANJULI: This is all, or there could be two overlapping ones from the century before? They could be overlapping like Tatjana Romanov was?


ANJULI: Two more overlapping ones?


ANJULI: And I was curious if Homer is a focus of your essence, Elias? (Pause)


ANJULI: (Laughs) This is why my Sisi focus is so interested in that poetry! (Elias laughs) There is a German writer, Waldemar Bonsels, and my father and the entire family was very interested in his writings. I had the impression, because this focus feels quite me-ly, that it could be a focus of the essence of Mi, the essence I fragmented from.


ANJULI: The writer Karl May who was writing all the stories about native Indians, is that also a focus of Mi? (Pause)

ELIAS: No, observing essence.

ANJULI: The poet Heinrich Heine, is that a focus of my essence, Myranda? (Pause)


ANJULI: My Sisi focus, she said she channeled Heinrich Heine. Then when she was writing her poems, she was connecting with her other focus?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: My shift focus Tatjana Romanov, I often have many repeating dreams, which I think are bleed-throughs from her focus, of being attacked by the assassins. I know these dreams are bleed-throughs of Tatjana Romanov, or are at least to a big part, but they never end with her death. Are they never ending with her death because I just don’t dream it or did she in some way escape?

ELIAS: You do not connect with that event thus far in your dream imagery.

ANJULI: So she disengaged then?


ANJULI: I thought I can create different! But okay, if my focus desires to disengage like that... (Elias laughs) Is my soon upcoming focus Marie Waldner my initiating focus?


ANJULI: Yes, I felt that. I must be very connected very strongly with her, because I sometimes felt like she feels. There was a time in my earlier life when I felt everything to be new, and I thought I am the first focus, so to speak. So we are connected a lot, she and me?


ANJULI: When I feel other focuses to be stories which I create newly, these are her feelings that I have because of our oneness?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

ANJULI: It is sometimes a bit about my creation and also she feels our other focuses to be stories that are newly created?


ANJULI: I am also exploring the focuses of the other essences we talked about in past sessions. There is one who is a German actor in the present time framework, Daniel Friedrichs. Is he a focus of the essence Daniela, which fragmented from Dunadin and Patel?


ANJULI: Ah Elias! Next time I have much more, much more, many more impressions again!

ELIAS: (Laughs) I incorporate no doubt! Ha ha ha ha!

ANJULI: I forgot when I started with the session, but we still have a few minutes probably? (Elias laughs) Nice that I forgot when we started! So we still have a little bit time, probably.

We got the tape from our Elias Family session. We were so delighted; I was just reading the preliminary transcript today. I was so delighted about that again. I wanted to ask for the Elias Family, you said to KC/Nanaiis in her session that there are many more islands around the Alterversity. We had the impression that they are called the “Darling Islands” because we were the first in our time framework who saw those islands. Is this correct?


ANJULI: Elias, oh, that is just so great! (Elias laughs) Then about islands suddenly appearing, I mean, I see that in their time framework in the collective they have no problems of collectively seeing differently, like new islands. In our time framework, we would not wake up in the morning and see new islands unless we create them through a volcanic eruption. I wanted to know if that is correct, that in the future, with the completion of the shift, they can create the Darling Islands without a scientific reason. I mean, just as an imagery, like a tree in the garden which was not here.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, although you continue to adhere to much of the blueprint of how manifestations are created within this physical dimension.

ANJULI: Ja, but why are then the islands there?

ELIAS: They are not necessarily created in association with volcanic activity but in shifting your seas and therefore giving rise to new islands.

ANJULI: But I could also create a new tree in the garden...


ANJULI: ...which was not there before, without a scientific... I mean, it is just there, as an imagery?


ANJULI: It would not necessarily be something the collective would be viewing also, or what?

ELIAS: Perhaps yes, perhaps no. It is dependant upon your choice and whether you are engaging this action in association with a collective or not.

ANJULI: So we could create in the collective suddenly viewing unfamiliar imagery being there?


ANJULI: Probably now we continue off-line with our interaction.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend! But I incorporate no doubt that we shall be interacting objectively again soon. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: It was a great session again, as always!

ELIAS: As always, and I express as always my continued tremendous affection to you, Myranda.

ANJULI: My mother wanted me to give you her greetings and tell you that she is reading my translation into German of her session with you very often.

ELIAS: Very well, and you may extend my greeting also.

ANJULI: Yes. I love you very much, Elias!

ELIAS: I express to you, my friend, tremendous fondness. Au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir!

Elias departs at 8:42 AM.

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