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[Photo by Ann Hulen]

Saturday, May 8, 2021 (Group/Hinsdale, New Hampshire)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Ann (Vivette), Christina (Melian), Denise (Azura), Eric (Doren), Jean (Lyla), John (Lonn), John (Rrussell), Karen (Turell), Lynda (Ruther), Mark (Liam) Melissa (Leah), Michael C., Sandra (Atafah), Val (Atticus) and Veronica (Amadis)

MARY: I was very excited to talk to you guys today, because I have SO much cool stuff to share. It’s so exciting!

The first thing we’re going to start with, very seriously, is that this is 2021, and this is now named “MARY’S YEAR”! (Group laughter and chatter) The Year of Mary. This is finally my year. It’s taken me my whole life to get here, but I got here. (Group applause) And this is so cool.

What is really great about all of this is that two little months ago I was in such a different place, and it is just so amazing how things can change when your perception changes. It’s just amazing. It’s like, astounding. And all this stuff that the dead guy talks about, about you change your perception, you change your whole reality—it actually really works. (Group laughter) It’s amazing. It really works. I realized…

Okay, I’m going to start at the beginning. Two months ago I went to the doctor, and the doctor said, “You have really high cholesterol and I’m putting you on this cholesterol medicine.” And I said, “Well, I don’t really like to take medication, so how about if I change my diet?” She was like, “No. Absolutely not. It won’t work.” She was like, “You have a predisposition for this because of your family history, and so it won’t matter what you do. You need to take this medicine, and you’re going to have to take it forever.” And I was like, “Okay. All right.”

And I left and I went directly to my daughter’s house, did something I never do and I went in and I said, “Okay. I’m going to now talk to you about food.” I thought she was going to faint, and she was like, “Really?” And I go, “Yeah. I just came from my doctor’s, and she said I have high cholesterol, and she said I have to take this medication forever.” And I said, “But I don’t believe her.” And Donnalie of course said, “Good, because she’s wrong.” I was like, “I was hoping you’d say that.” And I said, “But as much as I never want to have this talk with you, I need to have this talk with you now and you need to tell me what I need to do to make this better and fix it.”

So I spent the next two hours listening to her talk to me about food and about what to do and what not to do, and how long it would take to change my body chemistry from what I’m eating. And I’m like, “Okay. Well, I’m committed to doing this, because I don’t want to be taking medication forever.” And I was kind of a little bit feeling overwhelmed and kind of a daunting situation because it (sighs)… You know, I stopped drinking, I stopped smoking, no problem—both of them were super easy. Stopping sugar is really hard. (Laughs) It’s really hard, and it’s really hard to give up cookies. (Group laughter) I really, really, really love cookies, and it’s really hard to not have them. But I decided that okay, this is what I’m going to do.

I’ve slipped sometimes, a few times actually in the last two months, but I’m still committed to doing it and I just kind of pick up myself up and just try again. So the food thing is going okay, but meh… it could probably be a lot better. (Group chuckling)

But from that opened up this whole new thing. When I talked to her about the food thing I had said, “Well, this is going to be a life change,” because I knew I was going to have to change. It wasn’t just going to be about food; my whole lifestyle was going to have to change to accommodate that. And I was aware of that, so I was already in the mindset that okay, this is a life change and that’s what I’m doing.

The next week—and this is the very beginning of March, because March 1st was when I had this talk with Donnalie—Donnalie and Allie came over for dinner, and I was talking to them about I had been noticing different things were happening and I was paying attention to things that I hadn’t realized before. Like, I get an email every morning from Missouri Star Quilt Company. I’m on their list. I’m a very heavy user, yes. They love me. I love them, but… So they send me their daily deals every morning, and every morning while I’m having my breakfast I check my emails. I schedule sessions, and I also check Missouri Star Quilt Company to see what their daily deal is. Their daily deal is always very attractive because they always have something on sale for half price. And 90% of the time, I am convinced that I need whatever it is that they have on sale for half price—even though I don’t, but I think I do.

So. I was noticing that I would be looking at something that was on their daily deal and I’d get some real inspiration and I’d get a visual of something I could do with this, and so cool, and then I’d go to buy it. I told myself, “Nope. Stop. Ask yourself one question: Are you going to use this now?” Mm, 99% of the time my answer is no, because I can’t, because my upstairs isn’t usable, because in the winter it’s freezing cold up there and in the summer it’s frigging hot, because there’s no insulation upstairs and there’s no heat for the winter. I can put air conditioners in the windows in the summer, but it doesn’t really do that much because there’s no insulation. So I have this great space upstairs that I can’t use. I realized very quickly that whenever I buy something, I’m adding to my own frustration because I’m just giving myself another project that I can’t do, and it makes me really frustrated. But I didn’t really yet know what the implications of that frustration were—yet.

But I had dinner with Donnalie and Allie, and I was telling them, “You know, I’m noticing that I am adding to my own frustration because by buying things from Missouri Star, even though I really want them I’m just making myself crazier because I’m just adding to my own frustration that I can’t use it.” They were talking to me about, “Why don’t you just fix the upstairs?” and I was like, “Well, because I can’t.” Donnalie was like, “And why can’t you?” And I said, “Because I can’t afford it. I can’t. I can’t do it.” And Allison, her little snippy self, was like, “PFFFFFT! You can’t afford it? Right, Grandma!” And I was like, “No, for real, I can’t afford it.” I said, “You know, you have no idea how expensive it is to do insulation and all the stuff that I would have to do. I would not be able to afford it.” I’m like, “I don’t know what I’m going to do. And it’s frustrating, because this house is like a quarter of the size of my old house, so I don’t have room to bring my sewing stuff downstairs, so I’m just stuck and I don’t know what I’m going to do.”

So Donnalie and Allie were talking to me, and they’re like, “Well, I think you can. You can do this, and you CAN afford it.” And I was like, “Oh, I don’t think I can,” and they said, “Well, yes, you can.” I said, “Well, all right. What I’m going to do is, I’m going to keep doing what I’ve been doing this week, but for a different reason. I’m going to ask myself every day if I’m going to use something, and if I’m not, I’m not going to buy it, and then I’m going to see how much money I end up with at the end of the month.”

Well, before the end of the month, actually the second week into the month, I thought—which, a lot of people here will be privy to that at that time, in February and in the beginning of March, a lot of people were talking to me around their sessions and I was talking to them about taking a step. That was the big deal at the time: take a step. Because a lot of people were confused about what to do in their own situations, and I kept saying, “Just take a step. It doesn’t matter what you do, just do something.” And by the second week of March I thought, “Hm. It’s very interesting that I keep presenting this to myself. Maybe I’M the one who should just take a step.” So I did. I asked Lynda to get in touch with the insulation company, and I made an appointment to meet with them—which was, let me just tell you, super scary.

I didn’t realize—yet—I have been in survivor mode my whole life. You know—well, maybe some of you won’t know—but when you grow up the way I grew up, you just learn very young to be in complete survival mode. That’s all you do. That’s all you think about, that’s all you do, you just survive. You make it from one day to the next, and you just survive. And that gets so engrained in you that you don’t realize when you grow up, and as you become more successful you don’t realize that you’re actually becoming successful. You’re still in that mindset of just getting from one day to the next, one paycheck to the next, one ANYTHING to the next; you’re always in that survival mode. It’s a way of life, and you don’t even know that you’re doing that—you just do it.

And as I got older and was… I mean, even when I was working in the grocery industry I was relatively successful, and I would say probably made, at the time, decent money. I didn’t THINK I did. I never thought I did, so I always worked on holidays so that I could be getting triple time—because I was part of a union—because I always thought that I needed to do that. I was raising two kids by myself and I had to be responsible for that, and even though I was a way less than stellar parent (laughs), I still had some… I don’t know, some association of being responsible and that I was the one that had to provide everything.

So, this whole mindset of living paycheck to paycheck, people don’t realize you have no concept of spending or not spending. You just really don’t have a concept of money at all, and you have NO concept of managing money. There’s no such thing; you just survive. And it doesn’t matter how much more money you make as time goes on, you’re still in survival mode—you’re just doing it more expensively. (Laughs) You just have more things that you are paying for, but you’re still in that same mindset.

And then, you know, also in the last twenty-something years I’ve been supporting my daughter, so that just reinforced everything too, because yes, I was making more money but I was supporting two households. So I’m STILL in survivor mode, that I have enough but that’s all I have. I don’t have to worry about money, I have enough to pay my bills and my daughter’s bills, but I don’t have extra and I have to be careful.

But that started to change this past year in 2020 when Donnalie opened the restaurant. As the restaurant got more and more and more successful and started pulling in more and more money, she started to need me to support her less and less. As time was going on she was saying, “Okay, you don’t have to pay for this, Mom,” “I don’t need you to pay my rent anymore,” “I don’t need you to pay my utilities anymore.” I am still paying a couple of her bills now, but it’s nothing. So, that’s why we had this conversation this night over dinner, about them telling me, “Yes, you can afford to do this, Mom.”

But I didn’t believe that, because I was actually still in the mindset that I’m still supporting her. Even though I WASN’T still supporting her, the fact that I’m giving her any money at all kept me in the mindset that, well, yeah, but I’m still supporting her, even though I’m not. So I said, “Okay. Well then, I’m going to do an experiment, and I’m going to see if I don’t spend money. I’m not going to tell myself I can’t spend any money, but I’m going to be realistic and I’m going to ask myself, “Do I need this?” or “Am I going to use this right now?” And if not, then I’m not going to get it, I’m not going to spend the money on it. And then I’m going to see how much money I end up with at the end of the month.

(Whispers) I was really surprised. Probably nobody else in this room would be surprised, but I was very surprised. (Laughs) I think nobody else that knows me would even bat an eye and probably has known all the way along what I discovered at the end of March and on April 1st. I was like, “What?” I had $8,000. I was going to the bank every few days and taking money out, and I wasn’t actually paying attention to how much money I was taking out, I was just taking out whatever extra money was in there and I was putting it in my cookie jar. And on April 1st I decided to check and count how much money I put in my cookie jar, and I put $8,000 in my cookie jar. And I was like, “What?” (Laughs) “How is that even POSSIBLE? Oh my god! How did I even DO that?” It was mind-boggling.

Okay. In the meantime, in addition to meeting with the insulator company we called a carpenter, and the electrician, and a heating and cooling guy. And the carpenter was great. He was like, “Well, do you have a contractor?” and I said, “No.” Of course all this is terrifying to me, because first of all—everybody can laugh at me if they want to—I really had this retarded idea that if you get an estimate from some company, that once they give you the estimate you have to hire them right then. I don’t know why I had that idea, but that was genuinely my idea that I was obligated to hire them if I had them come out and give me an estimate. It wasn’t until after the insulator guy came that I realized, “Oh, wait a minute. I don’t have to hire him right now. I can wait. I can wait and see what goes on and how much money I have, because it’s not the end of the month and I don’t KNOW how much money I have yet.”

Then I got a little braver and thought I could call the electrician and the carpenter. That was pretty scary, though, because I was like, “Oh god, now I’ve got three companies that I’m dealing with, and oh shit, this is like… I think I’m going to hyperventilate from having these guys come up there.” And they’re great because they’ve got these great ideas, and the carpenter was so much on the same page as me, and it was so exciting and so inspiring. But I was like, “Oh my god, I can’t afford this. This is crazy. What am I thinking? I must be insane to think I could do this.” But I thought okay, but I don’t have to hire them and I don’t have to do anything yet; I can wait until the end of the month and see how much money I have.

Well, right before the end of the month, then I decided (laughs)… I got this idea about, “I wonder how much it would cost to put a dormer in the roof?” I was looking online, and it said a dormer could cost anywhere from $6,000 to $20,000 or $30,000, depending on what kind of dormer you have and how big it is and whatever. And I was like (whispers), “I wonder if I should do that? That would open up the space up there amazingly.”

Then I had the most amazing, incredible experience ever. I was just on the brink of making the choice to say yeah, I’m going to call a roofer and put a dormer in, and all of sudden I had this weird experience where I’m just… I genuinely wasn’t being catatonic, but I probably looked like I was, because I was just staring off into space, and I had this incredible vision. It was like watching a movie. You know how sometimes you can watch a movie and they have all kinds of different stories going on at the same time, they’re all kind of interlinked but there are lots of different stories? That was what this was like. I said that there were all these lanes, because that’s what it looked like. In the vision it looked like there was a lane here and a lane here and a lane here where I could see myself in the future—not far in the future, but a little ways in the future. And I knew that each one of those lanes was like a door that was opened because of what I was doing right then. I was just about to make a choice to call a roofer, I was just about to make a choice to do this expansion, I was already putting money in my cookie jar, and from that I could see these lanes.

One of them was me upstairs, and I looked down and there were three little dog beds and three dogs, not two. I was like, “Hm! That’s interesting. That must be mine too, because it’s there.” I’m like, “Okay.” Then there was another one where I was talking with some people who I didn’t know that were strangers, but I was talking to them about my quilts and I just knew they were people that were instrumental in selling my quilts. I was like, “Oh, that’s interesting.” Then there was another one where Lynda was very excited and we were standing in front of the house, and I turned around and there was whole crew of guys painting the house. I was like, “Oh! We’re painting the house!” (Group laughter) I’m like, “Oh! That’s interesting.” There was another one where I… Now, this one was a little fuzzy. I thought it was my car. It was a visual of a yellow car. It was a little yellow car, and I thought it was my Chevy Spark. I thought, “Oh, I must have traded it in and got a yellow one,” because I WANTED a yellow one but I didn’t have a yellow one. So, that’s how I interpreted it at the time, but it wasn’t actually clear enough for me to see what kind of car it was—it just was yellow.

Then there was another one where I could see myself with several other people that are friends of mine, that my relationship with them was really developing much stronger and really much closer, and it was just really interesting. And we were much more interactive, because you know, everybody that knows me knows that I’m a flippin’ hermit and I never leave my house, but that wasn’t the case in this other lane. I was more interactive, and I was more mobile.

Then there was another one that was like farther in the future, which in that one I think I was dead and my daughter was sitting at my dining room table, and she had the cookie jar and all my cookie jars on the table around her, and she had this big pile of money in front of her and she was shaking her head. She was like this and she was shaking her head, and she was like, “Oh my god, Mom, you were so crazy.” (Group laughter) And she was just like, “You’re nuts! How did you…?” She was like, “Why would you put all this money in the cookie jars?” And she was like, “You were so crazy! Why would you DO that?”

So, it was like there was just all these different… And I knew, I KNEW while I was watching them that these are not other choices, these are not probabilities; these are all the doors I’m opening because of what I’m doing right now. The things that I’m doing right now are making other things happen and are opening doors for other things to happen. Which, when I was talking to people about just take a step, I would SAY that to them: “When you take a step, all these other doors open, but you don’t know what they are. You can’t see them, but eventually they’ll make themselves known to you—eventually you’ll see them, they’ll present themselves to you. But you don’t see them now. You don’t know what that means or what’s going to happen, because it’s happening in the future—but not FAR in the future, but you just can’t see it right now”—except for that I WAS seeing it right now. It was like I could see all these lanes happening, all these doors opening, and I was just blown away, going, “Oh my god! This is crazy.”

And when the whole thing went away, I knew I needed to call the roofer (group laughter), that that was it, I needed to just not be afraid and I needed to contact the roofer and I needed to go forward and to not be thinking that I can’t do this and to stop it.

So the roofer came—actually we had the whole group of them come, all together, because the carpenter asked me if I had a contractor and I said no. And I asked him, “Well, what does a contractor do?” and he said, “Oh, he just gets everybody together and organizes everything.” And I was like, “Why can’t I do that?” He was like, “Oh, you could.” I go, “Yeah, why pay ANOTHER person to do something I can actually do?” And so I did! And I got them all together, and they all came over and had this big discussion. They walked around upstairs, and they talked to each other and talked to me about how to do it all. And the insulation guy almost got smacked in the face (group laughter)—by me, because I was talking to one of the carpenters and he was standing off to the side, and he was telling the owner of the insulation company, “Well, we’ll do this kind of insulation and then we’ll put drywall over it.” And I whipped around and said, “Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! NO drywall. No drywall happening in my house.”

LYNDA: It was kind of like he’d been hit by a 2 x 4 in the face.

MARY: And everybody shut up.

LYNDA: It was really cool.

MARY: Everybody was silent. All these guys, they’re all up there and they’re like (makes a face). (Group laughter) And Chad, the man that owns the insulation company, he’s like, “Okay. No drywall. Let’s think of something else. Let’s come up with another plan.” And I was like, “Okay, that makes me happy.” And everybody just kind of breathed, and then… HE actually came up with the idea. He was like, “So, is it the LOOK of these beams that you’re so set on?” because I was saying I wanted the beams to show, and I said, “Yes.” And he was like, “Okay, what if we could do it a different way but make it look like that?” I was like, “Okay. How?” And he was like, “Okay, we’ll come in, we’ll put the insulation in, then your carpenters come in, they put paneling over everything, including the beams. But then they put rough-cut strips on top of the paneling so it’ll look like the beams are showing through, and it’ll look like the panels are recessed.” I was like, “That works!” I’m like, “Yep! We could do that.” He was like (whispers), “Oh, good!”

So, we had this great plan. The roofer was like, “Okay, now after everybody’s gone I’ll talk to you, because I’m not involved with any of the stuff that they do, and they’re not involved with any of the stuff I do.” And we got it all going, and… and then I decided to put in a second dormer. (Group laughter) And then I started going in the direction of, “What the hell am I doing? I’ve got to be crazy. What am I doing? I’m nuts. I don’t understand what I am doing.”

Now mind you, all the time I’m still putting all the money in my cookie jars. I keep doing it. Two weeks later the carpenters came, and I (laughs) ended up being able to give them… Well, it had been a month that I had been putting money in the cookie jars by that time, and I ended up giving them $17,000 in cash, which was hysterical because I had it in an envelope. I handed it to the guy. (Group laughter) I go, “Really, I’m not a drug dealer.” (Group laughter) And he opened the envelope and he was like, “(Whispering) I’ve never held this much money!” (Group laughter) I’m like, “That’s okay, me neither,” and he’s like, “I’ve never held this much money ever in my life.” And I go, “I will be wanting a receipt.” (Group laughter) And he’s like, “I’m going right down to the car. I’m going to go get the paper for that,” and he puts the envelope down on my island in the kitchen. And I was like, “You can keep it.” He was like, “It’s all right. I’ll leave it up here while I go down to the truck.” (Group laughter) I’m like, “Are you afraid you’re going to lose it by the time you get to the truck?” and he’s like, “It’s okay. I just feel safer.” I’m like, “Okay.”

So, he comes back up. His carpenter partner was in the dining room with me, looking at pictures of Meme [pronounced Mimi] because he’s all about the dogs, and I’m like, “Great!” But then Todd was in the kitchen for a very long time, and I went in to check on him. I was like, “You okay in here?” He was like, “Yeah, I just finished counting the money for the fourth time. I just want to make sure that I counted it correctly.” (Laughs) I was like, “Okay! Are we good now?” and he’s like, “Yeah, we’re great.” (Group laughter) I’m like, “Okay!”

And then I gave the roofer… Well, his whole thing for the first dormer is $8,000, and so I gave him 5, and I have 3 clipped to his paperwork that he will get at the end of the week once the job is finished, because that’s how he asked to be paid. The carpenter wanted all of his money, so that’s how he got paid.

But in the meantime, I have had these moments where I get really tense and almost anxious, and I’m thinking, “Oh shit! What am I doing? Oh my god. I have dug myself into such a hole, I am never going to be able to see the light of day. I don’t know what I’m doing, I don’t know what made me do this, what I’m thinking, I am crazy, and how am I ever going to do this? How am I ever going to dig myself out of this hole?” And then, something binks in my brain and I’m like, “Wait a minute! I’m not IN a hole. I already paid them. What? I already PAID them? I’m NOT in a hole? I DON’T have to dig myself out? Oh my god, how is that even possible? This is so crazy. It’s insane!” I’m like, “Okay, that’s mental.”

That keeps happening, but it’s happening less. But it does keep happening, and I did have a couple of days where I was really anxious about the money and thinking, “Oh my god, what am I doing?” and really being nervous about the whole thing. And I think that that was contributing to why I lost the dog—which is an important piece.

LYNDA: But then found her.

MARY: Yes. But it’s… I think that’s an important piece, because this story is all really great, except for that I think… First of all, I think people have a tendency to think that things come easy for me, just because I do what I do. Because I channel the dead guy, I think a lot of people have a tendency to think that things are easy for me or that I don’t have the kinds of challenges that other people have, or that I don’t go through the same kind of doubts and the same kind of anxiety that other people do. I’m not a super-emotional person and so I don’t show that a lot, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening. And I think that this was an experience God knows I would never wish on my worst enemy ever, but I think that it was a part of it, that everything IS going great and everything IS moving in a positive direction. That doesn’t mean it’s all perfect and rainbows. That doesn’t mean that NOTHING is going to go wrong here or there. It doesn’t mean everything is perfect, and it doesn’t mean that there aren’t challenges still.

BUT—what is fascinating about that is that okay, that happened one week to the day ago, and with that kind of a trauma it probably would have taken me months to get past that before. And at this point I didn’t have nightmares about it last night, so I’m getting better. And I did go back to the mountain two days later. It’s kind of like, “Get back on the horse again.” (Laughs) I did, and I could see what was happening. I saw my body reacting, and I was like, “Okay, you can get past this. You don’t have to be under the water the whole time. You don’t have to be stuck in this. You can move forward.”

And the fact that everything else IS going so good, it did the opposite of what normally happens. Normally, we have a tendency to override the good things, because we’re so used to the bad things that we override the good things and we minimize them. But the opposite happened, that the good stuff overrode the bad stuff and it minimized it. Which I never thought (exhales)… I never thought that would be possible.

That’s such a huge difference and such a huge accomplishment, and it’s been a lot of years in the making. So, that is why I came to the conclusion that this year—and my birthday is on the 21st, so 2021 is like The Year. It’s, I think, the best. (Group applause)

So now I have a new puppy that is coming next week—oh actually is coming in four days, which I never in my life thought I would ever be able to get because they’re ridiculously, stinking expensive. And they’re driving her to me! Who does that? And I have a new car, which were two of the lanes. I have this amazingly beautiful studio that will be done by August. I am able to give my car, which is a new car, to my granddaughter for her birthday. I mean, who would even think that I could do all that stuff? It’s insane. It’s like crazy insane, and I’m able to do it. I’m like, “Oh my god. This is crazy.” And not in survivor mode. In only two months I’ve learned how to get out of that survivor mode. And the idea of paying $7,000 for a car was not terrifying. It wasn’t scary, I just did it. I was like, “Okay, I’ll just do it.” And it didn’t overwhelm me. The only thing that overwhelmed me is that I haven’t driven a stick in a year, and so I was a little nervous to drive a stick. It is a six-speed, and it’s going to be yellow. Yes! I called the paint place and I’m going to have it painted yellow, so that’s another one of those lanes that I saw.

So it’s like crazy that those things are happening, and I didn’t even realize, and it’s like I have to kind of just like check in with myself every once in a while and go, “Oh my god, is this really my life?” (Group laughter and chatter)

VERONICA: How did those visions appear to you?

MARY: I don’t know. It just happened.

ANN: You think in pictures, though.

MARY: I do. I do think in pictures. I don’t think in words, but it… I don’t know. It just happened. I was just thinking about calling the roofer, and then all of a sudden these lanes all were in front of me. And I was just watching this movie, and it was like, “This is so cool. This is amazing. This is what I’m opening up because of my cookie jars? Wow!” I’m like, “That’s crazy!” (Laughs)

But the coolest part of this all is that I can’t even tell you how many people I talk to—all the time, every week—that are in that same place. That they can’t do something, that they can’t afford to do something, that they can’t do what they want to do because they can’t afford it, or they can’t do what they want to do because it’s just not in the cards for them—they don’t have any idea how they could do it. Or it won’t work, or it’s dependent on somebody else, or whatever. Well, my whole upstairs is dependent on somebody else, and they’re all doing it because I’m making it happen.

ANN: Because you’re choosing. You’re choosing it.

MARY: Yeah. And that is the biggest piece, is being in the day.

VERONICA: So you’re creating what you’re wanting to create. It was created for you to see. If you hadn’t have created it, then it was reflecting.

MARY: Yeah. Yeah. But the thing is, is that every single other person can do the same thing.

MARK: We’ve just got to eat those cookies. (Group laughter)

MARY: I’m not eating any cookies! I haven’t had any cookies for two months!

KAREN: You changed your cookies into money.

MARY: I did! (Group laughter) And an awful lot of cookies. (Group laughter and chatter)

So, I mean, I think it’s very inspiring that other people can do the same thing, but you really do have to take a step. I mean, you can’t just do nothing. You have to get out of your comfort zone. That step has to be something that’s not very comfortable but is being like, you know, brave. (Group applause)

All right. Now we’ll let the dead guy talk and see what HE has to talk about—who knows.

ANN: I don’t know, he wouldn’t tell me. I tried to get the information outta him.

MARY: Yeah, because he doesn’t want to tell anybody.

ANN: He was all tight-lipped on us. (Group laughter)

KAREN: Well, you know, he’s doing a session based on what WE want to hear.

ANN: I know, well, this is why I’m wondering. Let’s see!

KAREN: Let’s see what we want.

VERONICA: I know what I want, if he delivers. (Group laughter)

MARY: Let’s see if the dead guy can deliver. (Group chatter)

(Mary’s talk ends after 58 minutes)

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