Session 1426

“Discovering Your Intent”
“Moving with the Truth Wave”

Saturday, August 30, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Kevin (Douglas) and Ben (Albert)

Elias arrives at 6:43 AM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

KEVIN: Good morning, Elias.

ELIAS: We meet again!

KEVIN: This dynamic trio! (Elias laughs)

BEN: How are you, Elias?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

BEN: Pretty good!

KEVIN: Ben, do you want to start?

BEN: Oh, shall I?

KEVIN: Yes, please.

BEN: I just have a question for Mikah to get out of the way so I won’t forget about it. His question is I guess you had mentioned something to him about a possibility he was going to meet a twin of some kind in Italy. He wants to know if he did meet this person and if it was Becca.


BEN: How many focuses does he share with her?

ELIAS: And I shall express to you to convey to Mikah to offer his impression. Ha ha ha! Perhaps he may play with his focuses and discover how many he incorporates with this individual.

KEVIN: So I’ll go, Ben?

BEN: Yeah, sure.

KEVIN: My first question is lately I feel like I’m having a shift of perceptions, perceptions about myself and sexual expression. I’ll give you my thoughts on how I think this happened or how I did it, and I just want to see if this is accurate.

As far as shifting my perceptions, I just thought about stating my intent to shift my perceptions in certain ways. After I stated my intent to myself, I didn’t try to analyze it mentally at all; I just put it out there. It seems like that worked, that I didn’t have to keep thinking about it, that somehow another part of me had my intent and was handling it. Is that how it works?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. You have allowed yourself to direct your attention and your energy in a specific manner with a type of focal point, so to speak. In that, you allowed yourself to express yourself in more of an ease and not incorporate as much analyzation in association with each situation, and merely allow yourself to move naturally with your energy and express yourself in more of your own freedom in relation to your preferences.

KEVIN: Was this a big shift for me? I feel like it’s been a big change.

ELIAS: Relatively speaking. (Both laugh) It is a significant movement into allowing yourself your own freedom, which is to be acknowledged.

KEVIN: So I’m allowing myself more freedom of expression without analyzing that expression or worrying about...

ELIAS: Correct, and not restricting yourself.

KEVIN: Lately, also, I’ve been really into listening to music and feeling the energy of music, and I was wondering if that represents... Is there something with the music and the movement of the music having to do with shifting? Does that help or is it just...? What is my thing with music lately where I’m really enjoying this laying down and listening to music?

ELIAS: That is also evidence in imagery that you are presenting to yourself of how you have shifted your energy and are allowing yourself to be much more comfortable with your own energy expressions. It is also associated with evidencing to yourself your own freedom and an expression of more ease and relaxing more with your energy, not generating as much tension and apprehension as you have previously.

KEVIN: And judgment as well?


KEVIN: Ben, you can go ahead.

BEN: I have a particular perception of Kevin — and I don’t think I’m the only one who has this perception of Kevin — that he’s stuck up, that he hates everybody. He doesn’t seem to see himself in the same way I do. I just wanted to know the differences of perception, about how they’re the same and how they’re different.

ELIAS: Yes, and what else?

BEN: What do you mean what else?

ELIAS: (Chuckles) You generate a perception of another individual in association with what?

KEVIN: Himself.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: So if I think Kevin’s stuck up, I think I’m stuck up?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. Do not move into such black and white associations. At times you present yourself with other individuals and you generate a particular perception of the other individual or you generate certain experiences with the other individual to reflect different elements of yourself. Not necessarily that the reflection shall be precisely the same expression within yourself, but it is associated with some belief that is expressed within you.

In this situation, it is a reflection to you to allow you to examine your belief concerning that type of an expression and how you associate with the expression of conceit and what you express in judgment in relation to yourself and to other individuals concerning that.

KEVIN: Do you see that in yourself at all, Ben?

BEN: The belief has to do with, I guess, social situations and social interactions, and that there’s a way you’re supposed to behave or that you should behave. I guess that’s what I’m coming face to face with.

ELIAS: Yes. This is correct.

KEVIN: You’re talking about what your perception is of how you expect me to behave in social situations?

BEN: No. If I look at you and I say that you hate everybody and that you’re conceited or whatever, then obviously I have a belief that you’re supposed to behave in a particular way, or by inverse, that I’m supposed to behave in a particular way. If you’re not behaving that way then a flag goes up.

ELIAS: Correct, which is associated with addressing to your truths concerning behaviors.

BEN: But I don’t mind that Kevin’s a slut, though! (Kevin laughs)

ELIAS: (Laughs) But this is not a concern of yours!

BEN: No, not at all. In fact, I was surprised he wasn’t a slut earlier!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! But the subject of conceit is a different matter, and that is not acceptable, for...

BEN: I guess you’re right. I think I would probably find it more acceptable that Kevin’s stuck up than I would find it if I’m stuck up.

ELIAS: Correct. This is significant to be allowing yourself to explore and to identify that you do incorporate this belief and it is influencing and it does generate automatic judgments. In this, as you examine that belief and you recognize that it may be a preference for YOU to be incorporating certain behaviors in certain situations, other individuals may express differently and you may generate an assessment of their behavior; but also recognize that it is not necessary to be expressing a judgment in association with differences. You label differences to justify the judgments.

KEVIN: In that situation, I can see where Ben sees that in me. But then I think about another friend and the relationship that we have, my thought is that she probably doesn’t see me — well, maybe a little bit — see me that way so much. But I think it’s just the dynamic of that relationship, maybe.

ELIAS: It is also associated with different perceptions of different individuals and what each individual is presenting to themself as a reflection, that they may become more objectively aware of the beliefs that they incorporate as expressed beliefs and how those beliefs are influencing.

KEVIN: I’ve been trying to figure out, Elias, my life theme, like what’s the main theme of this particular focus. The only thing that I can come up with, which seems to be a general thing, is self-acceptance and self-expression. I was wondering if there was any other part or if there’s a different theme that I have going on as well.


Now; the manner in which you discover that is to allow yourself to examine all of your experiences throughout the entirety of your focus, not merely in this time framework in this now but throughout the entirety of your focus. In that examination, you shall discover a certain theme in association with your experiences, that they are all connected in some manner to one general theme, and that shall be the identification of your individual intent.

KEVIN: When I think back to all my experiences throughout my life, I think they all come to me dealing with myself, me dealing with the purpose of life and trying to figure out what the purpose of life is, and I guess just my perceptions of myself and the world. I don’t see if there’s something beyond that, if there’s another theme going on besides that.

ELIAS: This is an aspect of it. Now as you continue to evaluate, you may be discovering more of a specific direction that has motivated you throughout your focus.

It is significant that individuals allow themselves to discover and identify their individual intent. For in generating that action yourself, it allows you to genuinely become much more familiar and generate much more of a clearer understanding of yourself, rather than having that expressed to you by another essence or a psychic or any other individual. It is much more significant that you allow yourself to discover and identify your intent in this focus.

KEVIN: So there’s more to what my intent is than what I stated, and I should just figure that out?

ELIAS: Yes. What you are expressing is a general action that all individuals incorporate and also, partially, what all individuals are incorporating in association with this shift, now. But you also incorporate your own individual direction, your own individual choice of how you shall be exploring this physical manifestation.

KEVIN: Can you give me a hint? Should I be looking at just the significant events throughout my life and looking for the theme there or...?

ELIAS: You may begin in that direction, but also be examining all of your experiences throughout the entirety of your focus.

Now; the significant events within your focus shall offer you clues if you are attempting to string them together, so to speak, and recognize the commonality between them in direction. Your intent is a direction, a general direction, which incorporates many different more specific directions associated with it. It is a manner in which you choose to be uniquely exploring the experience of being manifest in this physical dimension.

KEVIN: What would be an example of an intent that somebody would have throughout their life or as a life theme?

ELIAS: Very well. An example of an intent as the general theme may be an exploration of challenge.

KEVIN: So one person may have an intent of challenge, and so throughout their life they’re going to have those experiences which reflect that?

ELIAS: Correct, and in that intent the individual shall generate experiences that provide that exploration of challenge.

KEVIN: But doesn’t everybody have challenges in their life? Or is it just that it’s more intense for someone with that theme?

ELIAS: Let me identify. An individual that may be exploring the general theme of challenge shall be generating that underlying motivation in all of their experiences. You all, yes, generate challenges with yourselves, but not necessarily with ALL of your experiences.

KEVIN: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

BEN: Benny recently had a dream that X-tian has a focus as a Russian cosmonaut who flew space missions, and they were both looking for a validation of that impression. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, it is correct.

BEN: But he wasn’t Yuri Gagarin?


BEN: Let me ask you something. I know when we were in Vermont that X-tian asked if he had a focus as Sergei Diaghilev. I understand Mikah asked the same question about Diaghilev, and me as Nijinsky, and you said yes. So what’s the difference in the responses?

ELIAS: I may express to you that if an individual is an observing essence throughout the entirety of a focus, it is in actuality the same as incorporating that as a focus. At times I am not distinguishing with certain focuses if they are throughout the entirety of a focus.

I have offered explanation of this recently with another individual, not in relation to a questioning of different focuses but in relation to the action of an observing essence role — in this, if there is a difference between the observing essence and the directing essence as the focus, and essentially there is not.

It is merely a different action, in which an essence chooses to experience one focus of another essence’s focuses. They are not experiencing all of the focuses of another essence, but they choose one, or perhaps more than one, of the focuses specifically of another essence to be incorporated as their own. Therefore, the experience is the same and it is assimilated by the essence in the same manner as if it were generated by the essence itself as directing.

BEN: Could I get two clarifications here? One would be what is the relationship between me and X-tian to these particular focuses? My other question is, for example if you tell me that I have 480 focuses in this dimension, are you saying I have 480 directing focuses...


BEN: ...or some combination of directing and...?

ELIAS: In that, I am expressing a number which is associated with the directing focuses and not including those that are observing essence focuses, although they are the same. But I am not identifying the observing...

BEN: When you give that number, you are referring to directing?

ELIAS: Correct, for the observing essence action fluctuates much more so. As you are aware, even the number that I may offer to you in one time framework may change. It is not an absolute, and there is the potential that any individual may alter the numbering of their focuses in any time framework. But it occurs in fluctuation much more often in association with observing essence roles.

Now; as to your previous question, clarify in association with yourself and X-tian.

BEN: X-tian is an observing essence of the focus of Diaghilev?


BEN: Throughout the entirety of the...?


BEN: And the same is true for me and Nijinsky?


BEN: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

KEVIN: I want to see or figure out how many future focuses I have.

ELIAS: Very well. And your impression?

KEVIN: Thirty-six?

ELIAS: Add one.

KEVIN: Thirty-seven — not bad!

I’m still trying to clear up this thing with Philip. I was wondering — in this situation, what is my intent? I don’t know if my intent is to learn something from the situation or if it’s to actually create a relationship with this person.

ELIAS: What do you want?

KEVIN: I would like to have a relationship or interaction, but lately there are very few encounters with this person. Do I create those encounters where I am in physical proximity with him, or is that something that I don’t do?

ELIAS: What ARE you doing? That is the question.

KEVIN: I don’t see him that often, so that’s why I was wondering that.

ELIAS: This is what is important in paying attention to yourself and generating a clarity as to what you actually want. You may express to yourself in a general manner that you want to be engaging a relationship with this individual. But more specifically, what do you actually want?

KEVIN: The freedom of expression?

ELIAS: Correct, and...?

KEVIN: I’m not giving myself the opportunity to do that, because I’m not creating the encounters. He’s not around when I am in the gym.

ELIAS: But this is YOUR choice.

KEVIN: So I create when I encounter him there?


KEVIN: Do I handle this the same way as the other thing I was talking about, with shifting my perception, stating my intent to myself and then letting it go?

ELIAS: Allowing yourself to be clear in what you want and allowing yourself the freedom to create that. Look to yourself and examine what do you actually want. You want to be generating interactions, but you do not necessarily want to be generating a relationship with this individual that you perceive may be restricting of you in association with allowing yourself your freedom.

KEVIN: I didn’t get that. I didn’t understand.

ELIAS: You are moving into an expression of allowing yourself to express your own freedom more fully now. You have shifted your perception and you have generated an allowance of yourself to express yourself more freely. In that, you are beginning to recognize your own individual preferences, and in your terms, you are satisfied and pleased with the direction that you are moving in.

Now; you want to be interactive with this individual, but you do not want to restrict the newfound freedom that you are moving into. You incorporate beliefs concerning relationships and interactions and behaviors that incorporate the potential to be somewhat restrictive to you, as you have not yet identified all of these influences of different beliefs that you incorporate. Therefore, what you do is you generate less interaction with the individual automatically in response to yourself, in association with your desire to continue in your freedom; but also you generate some interactions with this individual, for you do not wish to be entirely disconnecting.

It is dependent upon what you want and allowing yourself to move in that direction and trusting yourself that you can generate both. You can continue to generate the freedom of your expression and not restrict yourself, and also move in a direction of generating a type of relationship with the other individual.

KEVIN: With this particular individual, have I shared other focuses with him?


KEVIN: What would be his entity name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Kirvo, K-I-R-V-O (KUR voh).

KEVIN: How many focuses have we shared?

ELIAS: Fourteen.

BEN: Is there a geographic region that “Kirvo” is associated with? It’s an unusual name.

ELIAS: This may be associated with a geographical location in northern Africa.

KEVIN: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BEN: My friend, essence name Blythe, recently had this major thing happen to him. He had a brain aneurysm or cerebral hemorrhage or something when he was flying out on business. He was unconscious for a couple of weeks, and I dreamt about him during this period. I’ve been thinking about a lot of the associations I’ve been making with what I see his choices were or the imagery that I see of this. Since I’m going to be talking to him next week, I was wondering, from his point of view what were his reasons for this experience at this particular time? (Pause)

ELIAS: An interruption of the focus and a momentary movement in a direction of disengagement, and choosing not to be incorporating that action yet.

BEN: So he actually, in a sense, tried out the possibility and decided not right now?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. This also has been associated with this wave in consciousness presently. There are many individuals that have chosen to be disengaging in association with this particular wave, and not choosing to participate in this wave.

BEN: By “this wave,” you’re referring to the truth wave?

ELIAS: Yes, and not choosing to continue to participate in the action of this shift in consciousness. This is also associated with the strength of some of their beliefs as their truths. In this, this individual generated a consideration momentarily of engaging that action of disengaging, but has chosen to be continuing and not disengaging.

KEVIN: Why would an individual choose to disengage from the Shift and stop participating in it?

ELIAS: For many individuals generate a tremendous strength in absolutes in association with their beliefs. Subjectively, the individual may incorporate some recognition of the strength of their beliefs and choose not to be incorporating trauma in association with the Shift. Rather than engage that trauma, they choose to be disengaging from this physical dimension and therefore not generating those types of experiences.

KEVIN: An interesting thing that Ben said before our phone call was that he has more trouble coming out of the psychic closet than the gay closet. Ben, is that what you were saying?

BEN: Well, that I find more prejudice against my psychic beliefs than my sexual preference.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

KEVIN: With some individuals, it’s true that if you bring up your psychic beliefs or your belief that you can talk to Elias, who’s channeling through Mary, that they just think it’s a bunch of crap. These individuals maybe have beliefs that are very strong and absolutes in one way or the other.

ELIAS: All of you incorporate some beliefs that have been generated into absolutes, and they become your truths. But some individuals hold to their truths so strongly and become rigid in those truths, and express an unwillingness to examine those truths and accept the beliefs or accept that these truths are not truth and that they are beliefs. In the action of the Shift, this is the movement. This the movement that you have all agreed to be generating, to move into an acceptance of beliefs and an acceptance of yourselves, and therefore widen your awareness and expand your abilities objectively to explore within this physical dimension. Some individuals choose to disengage rather than move into the action of the acceptance of beliefs.

KEVIN: How are Ben and I doing in the Shift, in this wave of truth? I feel like it hasn’t been that difficult for me to loosen up on the idea that there are no absolutes and truth as far as perceptions of things being one way or the other.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; I may express to you that this is what you may view as an evidence with each of you, and in other individuals, of whether they are, or whether you are, moving in conjunction with this wave or not. For if the individual is moving with this wave and not forcing energy against it, you shall evidence to yourself your own movements becoming easier and your recognition of no absolutes becoming easier to express. You shall notice that as you present your own truths to yourselves, other beliefs that you may deem to be less strongly expressed in absolutes automatically begin to be accepted without any effort. You shall begin noticing that different experiences or expressions that may have generated some conflict for you previously do not any longer, and your energy feels to you much easier and less restricted.

Individuals that choose to be forcing energy against this wave shall be experiencing quite the reverse and generating considerable conflict and thickness and difficulty in their movement. As I have stated, this wave incorporates a tremendous potential to be extremely powerful in its liberating of an individual. But it may also generate considerable conflict and restriction if an individual is forcing energy against it. For the point...

KEVIN: How are Ben and I doing?

ELIAS: I may express to you both that you are allowing yourselves to move in conjunction with it.

KEVIN: Finally! (Laughs with Elias)

BEN: What do you mean, “finally”?

KEVIN: These waves — we’re in the swing of this one!

BEN: I’m really glad we decided to not do the emotion one, then! (Kevin and Elias laugh) I don’t think I could’ve taken that one!

KEVIN: Does part of our ease with this wave have to do with being Sumafi?

ELIAS: Partially, but also partially that you have not merely offered yourselves considerable information but you have allowed yourselves to assimilate the information. You have paid attention to yourselves and have practiced with becoming more familiar with beliefs and with your own movements and recognizing genuinely that there are no absolutes.

KEVIN: Ben and I being counterparts, do we kind of move in the same direction?

ELIAS: You offer energy to each other in association with your movement to generate more of an ease. It is a complement.

BEN: Let me ask you something. Within my role in the Forum, shall we say, I’m often called on to express my opinion about the material. Sometimes I run across people who think I’m distorting the material. Of course, I don’t think I am. But for the most part, am I translating accurately?

ELIAS: Yes, and I may express that you remember that each individual incorporates their own perception. In this, their perception may be different and therefore their interpretation, filtered through their beliefs, may be different from your own. This is not to say that you may be distorting the information. It is merely a matter of differences, once again.

KEVIN: The blackout that we recently had, I wanted to ask about it. Obviously, this is a mass event. What was the meaning of it? My experience of it was great; I had a lot of fun. I got to hang out with friends and share this experience together. Overall, the city seemed to be... It was almost like everybody got to take a break from their normal routine and to kind of have this mass experience together, which my perception, overall, was that it was fun and interesting. I’m just wondering what overall was the purpose of this as a mass event?

ELIAS: It is associated with energy. It is associated with this wave in truth and how you associate with energy, and how energy is expressed outwardly and your attention to that, and your dependence upon that type of expression of outwardly expressing energy.

KEVIN: So it’s symbolic of our own energy that we put out?


BEN: For me, I thought of it in terms of automatic responses. It was sort of like there was a whole huge part of my life that I was just taking for granted, and now I became really aware of how many things I was taking for granted.

ELIAS: Which is the point.

KEVIN: Do we take for granted our own energy?

ELIAS: Yes, which is also associated with this wave of truth. You consider certain types of expressions of energy to be necessary to function, which is one of your truths. It moves beyond the physical expression of electricity; this is imagery. This is the identification of outwardly expressed energy — electrical energy, an energy of output.

You are correct, an element of that is how automatic and taken for granted, so to speak, your association is with your ability to function in association with electrical energy, the energy that is expressed outwardly, and not paying attention as much to the magnetic energy, which is that of receiving.

BEN: You lost me on that part, “magnetic energy of receiving”?

ELIAS: Magnetic energy is receiving; it is input. Electric energy is output, projection. Your attention, generally speaking, focuses upon output. You depend upon that type of energy expression to function in most of what you do, not merely in association with your electricity. That has been chosen to be affected for it is a precise symbol and objective imagery that reflects all that you do, for you are continuously expressing energy outwardly to produce.

In this, your association is if you are not expressing energy outwardly, this hinders your function — which is not actually true, but this is what you do and this is a truth that you incorporate.

KEVIN: As far as the magnetic energy, we’re also drawing energy to us?

ELIAS: Yes, and also expressing what I am identifying to you in relation to magnetic, the energy that you generate within yourselves to be receiving.

Now; which is what you also incorporated in this mass event. What is your assessment of what occurred in this mass event? You each express that you did not perceive this to be disturbing. In the lack of the outward expressed energy, you generated what? Openness and allowed yourself what you term to be connection, which is receiving. Therefore, in the absence of the physical objective imagery of electricity, you allowed yourselves to generate an interconnectedness, an openness, which is your expression of the magnetic energy, receiving.

KEVIN: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

KEVIN: I wanted to ask you about my friend Shayla. In the last few months we’ve really become close. We have a great affection for each other.

BEN: I think she fancies him! (Kevin and Elias laugh)

KEVIN: We just connect really well. I was wondering, is Shayla someone that I’ve shared past lives with?


KEVIN: Have we had intimate lover relationships in the past?


KEVIN: Have we been two gay men, lovers?


KEVIN: How many focuses have we shared?

ELIAS: Nineteen.

KEVIN: What’s Shayla’s essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Lauraine, L-A-U-R-A-I-N-E (lor RAIN).

KEVIN: Would Shayla be considered a soul mate of mine?

ELIAS: One of.

KEVIN: One of many?

ELIAS: Correct! Ha ha ha!

KEVIN: Elias, are you being playful with us? I don’t notice you around.

ELIAS: I am always, in your terms, around! Ha ha ha! It is merely a matter of whether you are paying attention and noticing or not.

BEN: He’s too busy with his sexual encounters now to notice that you’re watching!

ELIAS: Ah! (Laughs)

KEVIN: Don’t fuck around with my electrical equipment — my computer’s already messed up enough! (Elias laughs) So play with us! I’d like to see if I can notice you being playful with us.

ELIAS: Very well.

BEN: Wait a minute! See, that’s one of the fundamental things that I get caught on. If I’m creating my whole reality and the lights go out or whatever and then you say “that’s me,” but I created that!

ELIAS: Correct. It is how you configure my energy. My energy is present and is expressing a playfulness and if you...

BEN: ...and how I translate it is up to me.

ELIAS: Correct. If you are paying attention and noticing my energy...

BEN: ...then I will create something along those lines.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: For the most part, we’re in a constant subjective interaction, and from time to time my objective creation includes portions of that interaction.


BEN: It’s not just you and me. I would imagine that for the most part Kevin and I are in a constant subjective interaction as well.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. It is merely a matter of where you are focusing your attention objectively.

BEN: Like I told you, when my friend Blythe was unconscious in the hospital, I dreamt about him and dreamt that I was interacting with him. So in some sense, I wasn’t really worried about him because I felt like I was interactive with him.

ELIAS: Correct, and you are.

KEVIN: I remember one weekend — it was a while ago, Ben — when you called me. You were worried about me because you were having these emotional feelings. You were asking me if I was okay, and I was depressed that weekend. I guess that would be the same type of thing.


KEVIN: There was something I just remembered, an incident that happened with Sebastian and I. We were sitting at the café down the street here. This was a while ago, maybe sometime within the last year. This older gentleman came up to us — I guess you would consider him a bum or an alcoholic or something — and he was interacting with us. I found him to be very amusing and Sebastian was kind of like annoyed with him. I just found his character very surreal, in a way. It ended up that his name was Kevin. When the interaction was happening, I thought of you, Elias, wondering if it was you that was interacting with us.

ELIAS: No, but your association in generating a connection with myself in that time framework was an expression of understanding what you are assimilating, what you are assimilating in relation to differences and an acceptance of those differences, and changing your perception. In this, that is the reason that you generated an association with myself, almost as an acknowledgment of yourself in your ability to be accepting of differences and not disturbed.

KEVIN: Interesting. Was this person like a pop-in or was it an actual person on the street?

ELIAS: This is an actual focus. It is not a pop-in.

KEVIN: A very interesting one! I guess pop-in isn’t the word; I just thought of that.

BEN: And I was just thinking, “Kevin’s gone crazy!” (Elias laughs)

KEVIN: Ben, do you have any other questions? I think we’re heading towards finishing up our hour.

BEN: He can always give us some personal individual things that he wants to say for us, if he likes, if he is so choosing. (Elias laughs) Closing remarks, individual closing remarks.

KEVIN: Oh, maybe you can give Ben some fashion tips for the motherfucker party tomorrow! (All laugh)

ELIAS: I shall leave that to you! (Laughs) As to pearls of wisdom from myself to you in parting comments, I shall merely express to you to remember to be playful, which should not be too difficult, I suspect.

BEN: I don’t think we were entirely very playful in this session. Our last session was quite playful, and in this one we seemed to be very serious.

KEVIN: We were more bantering with each other in the last session.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is your choice of how you choose to direct the interaction and the conversation. You have interjected more seriousness with yourselves, and this is the reason that my parting comment is to be playful.

Very well, my friends! Perhaps you shall incorporate somewhat more of a lightness with each other.

KEVIN: We’ll try.

ELIAS: I shall be anticipating our next meeting, and perhaps we shall play in that interaction. To you both, as always, in great affection and lovingness, au revoir.

KEVIN: Au revoir. Thank you, Elias!

BEN: Bye.

Elias departs at 7:45 AM.