Session 277

”The Investigation Continues”

Tuesday, April 28, 1998   © 1998 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael), Forrest (Ellius), and Vivien (Miriam).
Elias arrives at 2:34 PM. (Arrival time is nineteen seconds)

ELIAS:  Good afternoon!

VIVIEN:  Good afternoon, Elias!  It’s nice to speak with you again.  (Elias chuckles)  Are you well?

ELIAS:  As always!

VIVIEN:  As always!  (Laughing)

ELIAS:  And how goes your investigations, Miriam?

VIVIEN:  Very interesting, which is really why I’m calling to speak with you.  I’ve been investigating quite a lot of the other things that I’ve been receiving impressions of, and I’ve had a lot of impressions.  The thing that I’m finding a little bit difficult is knowing when the impression is a true impression or whether I’m fantasizing.  Do you understand what I mean?

ELIAS:  Absolutely!

VIVIEN:  So what I’d like to start with is the focus of Miriam.  You very kindly confirmed for me the two impressions I had of myself -- of watching the baby being killed, and the other running from door to door -- and it was the same woman, Miriam.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  I focused in on that some more, and almost immediately I got a whole rush of information from it, and I’d like to swing that by you, if I may.

ELIAS:  Very well.

VIVIEN:  Okay.  I got that I knew Jesus and Mary at that time.  Is that a correct impression?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Let me express to you that you have known individuals that occupy these roles, but not in the interpretation of the biblical accounts, for the biblical accounts of these individuals is quite distorted.


ELIAS:  Therefore, the individuals that in actuality occupy the focuses hold differences in their actual focus than the account of those particular focuses, but you are correct that you have been in this focus and have known these individuals ... or KNOW these individuals, shall I say?  (Smiling)

VIVIEN:  The image that I saw of Jesus, how I pictured him -- I saw him quite clearly in my mind -- was that image that I saw a correct one of how he looked at that time?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Slightly darker.

VIVIEN:  Slightly darker.  I’ve got his hair a bit light?

ELIAS:  Only ...

VIVIEN:  Excuse me?

ELIAS:  ... as a child, but not as an adult.

VIVIEN:  Oh, okay.  Well, that makes a lot of sense, the other impression that I had when I saw him.  Yeah, okay.  As Miriam, when I first had the impression of myself watching the baby, I seemed to be very small, but I was on the floor.  I was on the ground, kind of collapsed.  But when I feel myself and see myself running from door to door, I seem very tall for the time, and my feeling was that I was quite tall for the time.

ELIAS:  In actuality, within this particular time period individuals did not hold the creation of great height in general, but some individuals were creating of more height than others.  You are correct that for this particular focus, you have chosen to be much taller than the average individual.

VIVIEN:  Okay, so I’m getting there.  I’m getting a very clear focus in on this.  Another question about that period: Jo and Paul, who live in Castaic also, I feel that they were also there at that time, and also I think Vic and Ron -- Lawrence and Olivia -- and all the others.  I think many of the people in this group who have come together now -- I’m talking with you and Mary/Michael -- I think many of them were there at the same time too.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  You are correct, yes.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  Now, the impressions that I had of Jo and Paul, were they correct?  I saw her as somebody that I knew reasonably well, like a neighbor.  And Paul, I saw him as some kind of a scribe.

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Within the temple.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah, okay.  Now, was he with the established church, but became more interested in the Essenes at that time?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  So his impression of the desert and dying out there was probably correct too.

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Ah, good!  Jo’s name ... was her name Johanna at that time?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Yes.

VIVIEN:  And Vic, was she Lydia?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Lydian.

VIVIEN:  Lydian?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah, good.  Cool!  I’ll have to investigate the rest of them.  That’s all I’ve got so far on that.  Oh, one other thing.  It was interesting to me that the names Vivien and Miriam have a similar sound to them, and it occurred to me ... I said, ’I wonder if in numerology, they are the same number?’  And they are -- the number nine -- and I wondered if that had any significance?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Within a tone, yes.

VIVIEN:  Because I remember reading one of your old scripts from way back, and you had mentioned that often when people have a last focus, the name that they have is the same as their essence name.

ELIAS:  This may be at many essences’ choices.  Many essences do choose to be creating of the same name, although it is not a rule, and there are many final focuses that do not hold the same name in physical focus as the essence tone.

VIVIEN:  Okay, I guess that makes sense.  I think that’s all I have on Miriam for the moment.  I’d like to go on to the focus that you told me about that I held with Mary as twins.  I’ve investigated quite a lot more of that, and I think about a day after I received that information, I had quite an amazing dream.

I was visiting Mary in Vermont.  Lawrence was there, and at one point I was sitting in front of a mirror.  Mary came over and joined me and we kind of blacked out, but when we came back, we remembered what had happened because people sort of showed us what had happened.  As we were sitting looking into the mirror, our faces morphed into the faces that we had as those twins, and what I saw were two sort of ash-blonde females, not very pretty, long noses, deep-set black eyes, and I got a lot more information on that too.  But I was just wondering, did I get the correct impression of what we were doing?  (Here, somebody knocks on the door, causing Mary’s dogs to start barking frantically, but Elias doesn’t miss a beat)

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN:  Oh, how interesting!  Now, there was a lot more to that dream.  I even got two names.  One was Fridja, which I think was my name, and the other was Mareka, which I think was Michael’s name.  Are they close?

ELIAS:  Rebecca.

VIVIEN:  Oh, Rebecca.  Was Fridja right?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Oh, wonderful!  And were we German or Dutch?

ELIAS:  Dutch.

VIVIEN:  Dutch.  Cool!  Okay, were our parents ... was he like a woodcutter or a farmer of some kind?

ELIAS:  Farmer.

VIVIEN:  Farmer.  A big man?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Now was ... actually, it’s just coming to me now, but was that my present partner?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  So he was my father in that focus!

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Oh, this is so cool!  I’m getting more stuff!  Wonderful!  Oh, I’m getting so excited about this!  I can’t believe it!

ELIAS:  This shall be a validating to you to be trusting your impressions and your connection to your own focuses.

VIVIEN:  Oh, very much!  This is just wonderful!  Okay, the rest of that dream was really weird.  I was, I think, in some kind of ... it felt like a laboratory situation, and I know we were ... as the twins, I know we were together.  We seemed to be ... the body from the neck down seemed to be human, like a little girl, but we had ... I think I only saw myself at one point, but we seemed to have long, snake-like necks about two feet long with a tiny little head on the top.  Very peculiar looking!  I can’t even describe it, but I know you can tune in to what I was seeing.  And, being observed by who I believe was Forrest observing us.  I saw a young man with dark brown hair and a beard observing us with great interest.  I really don’t understand that part of it at all.  (Elias chuckles)  You do!  So, what was all that about?

ELIAS:  You deviate into different type of imagery in this element of your dream state.  In this element of your dream state, you move into your own imagery of elements concerning this particular focus.

VIVIEN:  Ooo!  I don’t really understand how that goes together.  Can you explain, please?

ELIAS:  I shall.

VIVIEN:  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You have imaged in this manner as your own symbolism to yourself to be suggestive of certain factors, so to speak, of this particular focus.  You are correct that you have created an objective image of Ellius and allowed yourself to view this individual.  You also image him as being an observer and study, which is correct.  What he is studying, his subject matter, is Michael and yourself.  You connect yourself to this, for you hold a very strong connection with Michael, and also you identify with elements of this phenomenon.  Therefore, you image yourself in this situation of being observed also.  What is being observed is the phenomenon.  In this, as you hold an awareness of your participation in elements of this particular phenomenon, you also include yourself as being an observational subject.

VIVIEN:  Oh, how interesting.  The stuff I do!  That is amazing!  Quite incredible.  (Elias chuckles)  Tell me something also.  With that twin focus, my present partner was my father.  The mother seems also familiar somehow.  I can’t quite put my finger on it, but was it Lawrence?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  You are correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  Oh, that’s really interesting!

ELIAS:  Michael and Lawrence have shared almost all of their focuses together.

VIVIEN:  Oh, that is fascinating.  So Vic was my mom!  Oh, cool!  (Elias chuckles)  This is so much fun, getting all this stuff!  Wow!  Oh, did we have a brother?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Was that Ron?


VIVIEN:  Oh.  Was it somebody else I know, though?

ELIAS:  Shynla!

VIVIEN:  Oh, Shynla!  That’s why I feel the way I do about her ... very familiar.  Oh, that is so interesting!  Was her name ... oh!  Hang on!  Was her name Reek or Rika or Ricky or something?

ELIAS:  An English translation of Richard.

VIVIEN:  Oh, it was Richard!  Cool!  Gosh, these impressions are coming so easily.  This is so neat!  I don’t think I....

ELIAS:  Ellius occupies this focus also.

VIVIEN:  Oh, who was he?  Another brother?  Correct?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN:  Alright!  So Ellius was a brother.  Let me see if I can get his name as well.  Did it begin with an M?  (Pause)  Was it Michael?

ELIAS:  Marcus.

VIVIEN:  Marcus.  Cool!  This is just so interesting!  Oh Elias, this is just so exciting!  I’ve got to collect myself so I can get on with the next stuff.  Okay, connections with you.  Were we brothers in France once, or comrades like soldiers or something together?

ELIAS:  Not brothers, but ...

VIVIEN:  Close friends?

ELIAS:  ... very dear friends ...

VIVIEN:  Ah, that’s why you were so familiar the first time I ever heard your voice.

ELIAS:  ... much before what you view to be recent history.

VIVIEN:  A long time?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Very ancient times?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  Would it be in Egypt?

ELIAS:  We have held acquaintance in this physical location.

VIVIEN:  In Egypt?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  The close friendship though, was that in the Middle East?

ELIAS:  This would be within your present location of France.

VIVIEN:  In France?  Oh, then I was right in the first place.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  In ancient times.  How ancient?  Before recorded history?

ELIAS:  No.  This would be in the time period of eleven hundred.

VIVIEN:  Eleven hundred.  Oh, names.  Was my name Pierre?

ELIAS:  Henri Pierre.

VIVIEN:  Henri Pierre.  Gosh, these impressions are so easy when you know how to do it!

ELIAS:  Your own language to yourself is quite effortless ...

VIVIEN:  It really is!

ELIAS:  ... if you are listening to yourself!

VIVIEN:  I’m learning how to listen now, that’s the thing.  Whereas once before I would push these away as just pure imagination or fantasy, now I’m beginning to know the difference.

ELIAS:  As you learn not to be discounting and rationalizing your inner voice, you allow yourself the acceptance, and recognize that this IS your language to yourself and that you may offer yourself much information of your essence.

VIVIEN:  Wow.  What was your name in France at the time I was Henri Pierre?

ELIAS:  Jacques.

VIVIEN:  Jacques.  Oh, this is so amazing!  Okay, I’ll just have to investigate that some more.  We’ve had other focuses together, haven’t we?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Within the same family sometimes?  Was I your mother once?

ELIAS:  At times.

VIVIEN:  I’ve done it more than once?  Wow....

ELIAS:  I have held many more focuses than Michael and Lawrence and have been interactive with other individuals more often within physical focuses, for Michael and Lawrence do not hold a multitude of physical focuses within this particular dimension.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  I think I have though, haven’t I?

ELIAS:  You have held many.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, very many.  I remember when I was going through hypnosis training and we were doing ... we didn’t know what it was when we started doing it, but we were staring at each other’s eyes.  We took a partner, and I remember seeing many, many other focuses of the person I was looking at, and it went back like a hall of mirrors, one face after another face after another face, and it just went on, like thousands of them, and I’ve been trying to do that again since.  I’ve never had it quite so clearly again, but that really made a tremendous impression with me.  But I had a feeling....

ELIAS:  This is viewing other focuses within the individual.

VIVIEN:  Yes.  Yeah, I knew it was the other individual, and they were all present, not like I was viewing them at other times.

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  They were all right there.

ELIAS:  For they are all occurring simultaneously.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, and that’s a question.  Within physical locations, we can really be within any physical location, can’t we?

ELIAS:  Absolutely!

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  It doesn’t matter where you believe you are.  You’re everywhere all at the same time!

ELIAS:  Quite!

VIVIEN:  It makes sense when you start thinking about simultaneous time that way, that there is no time or space, that you ARE everywhere ALL the time.

ELIAS:  Ah!  You are beginning to move closer to the understanding of this concept.

VIVIEN:  I think I am.  It’s beginning to make a lot more sense.  It’s more like sitting comfortably ...

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  ... like the feeling when something truthful comes inside and it sits very comfortably and you know it’s the truth.  The simultaneous time thing now is really becoming more easy for me to understand.  I’m not quite there yet, but....

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  You shall engage in competition with Siman!

VIVIEN:  (Laughing)  I know!  That’d be fun!  Okay, that’s enough of that.  Can I go on to the next thing now?

ELIAS:  You may.

VIVIEN:  Many years ago -- well not many, I guess it was 1995 -- I had a very unusual experience that never left me.  I’d been sleeping, and I woke up in what was like a lucid dream, except it wasn’t a lucid dream.  It was different.  As I came to my full consciousness, I was moving through water, quite murky gray water, and as I kind of got my bearings on where I was, in front of me I could see a huge tail.  It was the tail of a great whale, the huge gray whale, the giant blue whale.  As I’m moving along behind this tail, I’m sort of aware of myself, that I’m a baby whale following this mother whale.  It’s my mother.  I also saw frogmen swimming around.  It seemed to me it was future, but not this kind of future; way into the future sometime.  What I wanted to ask you is about that experience.  It had tremendous significance for me, but I’m not quite sure what it was.

ELIAS:  This is an allowance of a viewing and a drawing to yourself of the experience in allowing an aspect of yourself to be connecting with a creature, for you do not focus yourself into a manifestation of a creature.  Essences do not focus into the manifestation of creatures, but for the experience, essences do allow themselves a projection of an aspect of essence to the experience of a creature.

VIVIEN:  It was fascinating.

ELIAS:  This allows you the understanding and the sensation of the actual experience.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, I really felt like I was a whale!

ELIAS:  Correct, for in one sense you are ... although you are not.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, I understand.  Oh, it was amazing!  The frogmen, who were they?

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Tendants.  They tend these creatures.

Vic’s note:  ’Tendants’ doesn’t appear to be a word in the English language, but it is the word Elias used.  He didn’t say ’attendants.’

VIVIEN:  Whereabouts were we?

ELIAS:  Within a protected area.

VIVIEN:  And was this very much in the future?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Okay.  Those breathing apparatus I saw them wearing, they were like the size of a telephone directory, bright yellow, and it seemed that they were breathing air from the water, like these were machines that produced air for them to breathe from the water itself.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Gosh, that’s not too far in the future then, is it?  It’s next century.

ELIAS:  Correct.  Your reality within your coming millennium shall produce marvels!

VIVIEN:  I can believe it!  And the whales will be protected at last.  That’s nice to know.  Hmm.  Okay, can I go on to the next thing now?

ELIAS:  You may.

VIVIEN:  Alright.  Oh, the dream I had recently about Mary again.  I think it might have been a probable reality mixed up with something else, but I’ve had this dream about myself living at home with my mother still.  My brother may be living there, and my father still being alive.  In the dream, Mary was coming to visit us.  I think we were expecting her for a day or two, but when she arrived she said that she would be staying longer, at least a week, because she needed more time to recover.  I think that’s what she said; it was something along those lines.  Then she went upstairs to the bedroom that I used to have in the house and went to bed, because she said she was very tired.  Then I said, ’Perhaps I can help you.’  I seemed to be doing some kind of Reiki over her, but what I noticed was, she looked fine except behind her knees.  There were some broken veins, like varicose veins, which looked really bruised.  She also told me three things that were wrong with her.  It was medical terminology.  I think one had something to do with her nerves, one had something to do with her kidney or liver, the other I’m not sure; that kind of evaporated.  But I seemed to be trying to help her with energy.  I know that the dream seems pretty self-explanatory, but I don’t think it is.  I think there’s more to it than that, but I haven’t quite cottoned onto it, and I wonder if you could help me with that.

ELIAS:  This is your imagery to yourself, in tapping into what you may view to be future probabilities.

VIVIEN:  Oh, don’t tell me I’m going to go live with my mom again!

ELIAS:  No.  The imagery is symbolic of different elements, but offering you elements that are familiar which are suggestive of other aspects of the probabilities.  In this, you are tapping into the possibility of the creation of a future probability, that Michael may choose to be traveling to this particular country for a limited time framework.

VIVIEN:  Oh, that would be interesting!

ELIAS:  This would be in conjunction with this phenomenon.  In this, there is also future probabilities of elements of physical affectingness.  Michael engages a line of probabilities presently of manifesting physical affectingness....

VIVIEN:  Such as those ones that he told me in the dream?

ELIAS:  Yes....

VIVIEN:  Okay.  Now obviously I felt, in my part in that, that I could be helpful to him within energy.

ELIAS:  Correct....

VIVIEN:  In the dream he accepted the energy, actually was welcoming of it.

ELIAS:  Correct....

VIVIEN:  So in that case, it would seem to me then, if the situation arises as a probability, then I will be able to help him.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Oh, very good!

ELIAS:  But be aware that this physical manifestation, although it may be affected by this energy exchange and it may be enhanced by this energy exchange, it also is created by himself in conjunction with issues that he is engaging presently, and moving himself into areas of physical manifestations.

VIVIEN:  Yes, I understand; his creation.  But maybe if I can help, that would be of some benefit anyway.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  Alright, the next thing.  With my husband, my present partner, we had been brothers in a previous focus, and tuning into that one, I came up with, I think, either the Mediterranean or the Middle East.

ELIAS:  (Accessing)  Libya.

VIVIEN:  Libya.  Ah, that’s interesting.  Then the impression I have of being quite dark would be accurate.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  Now, my partner I believe was also in my time of Miriam, when I was Miriam.  Was he my father then as well?

ELIAS:  No; uncle.

VIVIEN:  Uncle.  Okay.  Oh, he’s been my uncle as well!  Okay, that’s interesting.  On the mother’s side?


VIVIEN:  Oh, on the father’s side.  Alright.  Oh, was that not a very good relationship at that time?

ELIAS:  Not entirely conflicting, but also not holding tremendous closeness.

VIVIEN:  Okay, I think I’ll investigate that some more then.  Libya.  Hmm.  Quite ancient times in Libya.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  I’ll see if I can find out more about that one.  The other thing, my son James/Paschal, you told me had been my son before.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  What I got from that was a focus with myself as a black woman, probably African, and a baby, a very beautiful bouncing toddler baby, and I thought perhaps that was one time when I’d been his mother before.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  That was Africa?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  It was a very happy focus, I think. I seem to be very happy.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  What part of Africa were we in?

ELIAS:  Ethiopia.

VIVIEN:  Ethiopia.  Oh, okay.  That’s why Ethiopian people have a familiarity to me.  That’s interesting.  That’s a good one.  Okay, I can focus some more on that.  The other thing I would like to do is, perhaps, would you mind giving me some essence names and family names for some people?

ELIAS:  Very well.

VIVIEN:  Okay.  First, my mother.  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Rahn; R-A-H-N.  (Pronounced as rhyming with wan)

VIVIEN:  Rahn.  Family and alignment?

ELIAS:  Essence family, Milumet; alignment, Vold.

VIVIEN:  Vold.  Okay.  Next, my father.

ELIAS:  Servel; S-E-R-V-E-L.  (Pronounced ser-vail’)  Essence family, Ilda.

VIVIEN:  I’m sorry, what was that?

ELIAS:  Ilda; alignment, Tumold.

VIVIEN:  Tumold.  Okay.  My brother Graham?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Millow; M-I-L-L-O-W. Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Zuli.

VIVIEN:  I’m sorry, what was that?

ELIAS:  Zuli.

VIVIEN:  Zuli.  My niece Helena?

ELIAS:  Seth.  Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Ilda.

VIVIEN:  Okay.  My brother’s present partner Usha?

ELIAS:  Pierce; P-I-E-R-C-E.  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Sumari.

VIVIEN:  Her son Ameer?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Raul; R-A-U-L.  Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Gramada.

VIVIEN:  Okay.  My friend Mary Rose?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Lyth; L-Y-T-H.  (Pronounced lith)  Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Sumafi.

VIVIEN:  And essence name only for my friend Lois?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Lois.

VIVIEN:  The same!

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Hmm!  My friend Sheri?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Milde; M-I-L-D-E.  (Pronounced mild)  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Ilda.

VIVIEN:  My neighbor Anita?

ELIAS:  Essence name, Bianca; B-I-A-N-C-A.  Essence family, Borledim;  alignment, Zuli.

VIVIEN:  Her husband Jon?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Mario; M-A-R-I-O.  Essence family, Borledim; alignment, Tumold.

VIVIEN:  And my friend from China, Qui Feng?

ELIAS:  Zohnn; Z-O-H-N-N.  (Pronounced zon)  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Milumet.

VIVIEN:  My father-in-law John?  (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence name, Mason; M-A-S-O-N.  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Vold.

VIVIEN:  And his present wife Laveta?

ELIAS:  Essence name, Comlette; C-O-M-L-E-T-T-E.  Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Tumold.

Vic’s note:  In session dated 3/19/98, Forrest asked essence names and families for three of the above individuals.  Vivien was unaware of this because that transcript wasn’t completed at the time of this session, so she asked again.  All three names, families, and alignments are given differently.  I hesitate to speculate as to why, but Vivien intends to ask Elias about the discrepancy.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  Okay, that’s all of those.  Thank you very much.  A quick question about my father-in-law and his present wife.  When I first met them, I had a tremendous amount of conflict with both of them -- not open warfare or anything like that, but just not very comfortable around their personalities -- and I’m wondering if that’s attached to previous focuses held together.

ELIAS:  Partially, which you may be investigating of!

VIVIEN:  I shall!  We’ll see what I come up with.  Alright, let’s see.  What else did I have?  Oh, a physical thing.  I’m having a real bad time with a muscle in my right shoulder.  It keeps on tightening up, and I can’t seem to get rid of it.  Now, it’s obviously trying to tell me something.  It’s really like an alarm signal going off, but I’m afraid my light bulb in my head isn’t going on at the same time, so I wonder if you could help me understand what that’s about.

ELIAS:  This holds two elements; one that you offer to yourself, and one that you are empathically connecting to.  Both are related to similar issues.  You hold this energy within this area of your shoulder, for you are holding responsibility in this area and viewing that you must be, so to speak, shouldering this responsibility.

VIVIEN:  Is this still to do with my son?

ELIAS:  Quite simplistic, is it not?

VIVIEN:  Oh, very!

ELIAS:  In this, you hold partial in the area of your son, but more in the area of your partner.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  That’s all to do with this move that’s coming up.

ELIAS:  Quite, and within this movement, you are holding energy in this area of personal responsibility in conjunction with this individual.  You are also empathically connecting with Michael, who is experiencing the same issue.

VIVIEN:  Oh, how interesting!  I guess the twin thing never stops, does it?

ELIAS:  Quite!  You may be inquiring of Lawrence in this area!

VIVIEN:  Ah!  So Lawrence has it too?

ELIAS:  In a different manner of speaking.  He holds the ’privilege’ (grinning) of being ’cosmic twins’ with Michael.  (And quite a privilege it is, folks!  BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

VIVIEN:  The cosmic twins, and was it the Bobsey Twins at the last session, with Michael’s mother? (Referring to Nicky and her son Mike)  That was funny!  Twins everywhere!  I guess that’s why I’ve always had an interest in twins.  They’ve always fascinated me. (

ELIAS:  Quite!

VIVIEN:  Yeah, they still fascinate me.  Any kind of multiple birth fascinates me.  Now that we’re coming to that, have I been in other multiple births in focuses?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Like five of us?

ELIAS:  Four.

VIVIEN:  Four.  Wow.  Was Michael another one of those?


VIVIEN:  Oh.  The other three, would they have been from focuses that I know presently?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Oh, I bet I could find out really easily then!

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  Was my son one?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Okay.  Ooo, good!  I got one!  My partner?

ELIAS:  You are guessing!

VIVIEN:  Yes, I am!  (They both laugh)  But my son was.  That’s good.  I’ll find out the other two then.  I will!  I’ll figure it out.  With my mother, for instance, I feel like I’ve been her mother before.

ELIAS:  Yes.  This is quite common within manifestations of physical focuses.

VIVIEN:  Oh, a question about my father.  He passed away in 1979.  I was wondering, has he refocused again or is he still deciding?

ELIAS:  These are difficult questions for your understanding, for they are creating of confusion with many individuals.  I may express to you that there is what you may term to be a remanifestation, although they are all simultaneous, but this focus also is not remanifest; for within the action of what you think of as remanifestation, a new manifestation -- a new focus -- is created by the projection of an aspect of the other focus, but the personality of the focus that has already manifest continues non-physically.

VIVIEN:  Oh.  I think ... well, I don’t know if I do understand, but I’ll see if I can work it out.  (Elias chuckles)  I guess the time will come when I will understand.  I just have to focus on this one right now, and see what’s going on with this one.

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  Oh, I wonder if you could give me some insight -- I think I’ve figured some of it out -- with this move that we’re going to be having right now back to Fort Lauderdale, Florida ... with my husband’s partner and all the fuss that’s going on right now within our new business venture.  I think I know what some of it’s coming from, from my husband’s partner’s point of view, from his beliefs and creations, but I’m not quite sure how it’s coming from our side of things, what this whole thing is about.  I wonder if you could help me with that.

ELIAS:  Hmm.  Look to underlying elements of control issues.


ELIAS:  This shall be helpful to you.

VIVIEN:  Yes ... somewhat.  My feeling is that it’s going to blow over, and it’ll be okay within probabilities.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  And it won’t be that long.  It’ll be less than one year.

ELIAS:  If there is a recognition and a discontinuing of these particular issues.  Although they are underlying, they are not extremely strong, but may be causing of conflict if not addressed to.

VIVIEN:  Alright.  So the main personality involved then would be my husband’s partner?

ELIAS:  Both.

VIVIEN:  So my husband and his partner.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah.  So from my partner’s point of view ... this is interesting because of the position that he’s going to be taking on.  Has this to do with his own control issues?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  So this move into this business isn’t quite as easy for him?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  I see.  Now I understand a great deal more.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.  I shall be expressing of a break, and if you are so choosing, you may be continuing with your questioning.

VIVIEN:  Okay, very well.  Thank you.  I have just a few more to do, so perhaps a break would be good.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  Very well.

BREAK   3:28 PM
RESUME  3:43 PM (Arrival time is four seconds)
ELIAS: Continuing.

VIVIEN:  Thank you.  I’d like to start off with ... actually, it’s something I just remembered.  It’s a dream I had, I think it was years ago, a long time ago, and it came to me that this had something to do with Mary.  The dream was this: I went into sort of like a second-hand store or a place where they sold antiques, bric-a-brac, things like that, but there was also a bar, like a liquor bar inside.  I sat down at this place, and as I looked around, I saw on the wall behind me a basket of some kind hanging on the wall with what I thought was like a small doll inside of it, a doll that looked like an old-fashioned Punch-and-Judy doll.  But all of a sudden I realized that this doll was a human being up there, but very tiny, like a two-foot-high human being.  I’m not sure if there were any arms or legs.  It seemed to be just a body and a head.  I got the feeling that this had something to do with Michael, and I wonder if you can help me with that.

ELIAS:  Hmm. Interesting imagery that you have presented to yourself.

VIVIEN:  It was very peculiar.  I seemed to take the little person down, and held her.

ELIAS:  This would be imagery that would be in connection to elements and issues which have been created within Michael’s focus.  This would be imagery into an understanding of how Michael views himself.

VIVIEN:  Wow!  That’s so interesting!

ELIAS:  In this, Michael holds many issues in the area of his own acceptance and viewing of himself, in not entirely feeling wholeness in response to choices that he has engaged within this particular focus.

VIVIEN:  Oh, I think I understand a great deal more now about that, about how Michael views himself.  How interesting!  This was years ago, I think, long before I met Michael physically.

ELIAS:  But all is simultaneous.

VIVIEN:  That’s right.  Time is simultaneous!  I’m learning!  (Elias chuckles)  Alright, what was the fact that there was so much bric-a-brac and junk and stuff around?  Not really junk, but second-hand things.

ELIAS:  Clutter.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, clutter.

ELIAS:  This would be all of the cluttering belief systems that are distracting and confusing to him.

VIVIEN:  Ah!  Not my clutter, his clutter.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  ’Cause I’m good at clutter as well!  I’m very good at clutter!  (They both laugh)  And that’s another question I might ask you.  What is it about second-hand stores, flea markets, thrift stores?  I love them!  There’s something that really draws me to them, just finding neat stuff!

ELIAS:  This also is objective imagery to yourself.  You hold a fascination with investigation of your other focuses, and you objectively image this in your draw to these types of establishments.

VIVIEN:  Because they’re so eclectic.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  That’s right.  They have a bit of everything there, from all different periods and times and styles.  Oh, that makes a lot of sense now.  That’s why I like such an eclectic sort of surrounding for myself.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  So all the other focuses are influencing me very strongly.  I’m influencing myself very strongly!  (Elias chuckles)  This is so interesting!  Hmm.  Okay, I have a dream now for actually my husband’s partner Jim, whom you’ve seen before ...

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  ... his business partner.  He had a dream the other day, and I think it’s a pretty self-explanatory one as well, but he wanted me to swing it by you anyway.  He was either with a company or watching a company build a very long tunnel, maybe ten miles, going through mountains which he thought were the Alps, and the tunnel was being made coming from both sides of the mountain so that it would meet in the middle.  There was a short distance to go, about a quarter of a mile, before the two tunnels would join up into becoming one tunnel.  He was also talking with someone; he didn’t know who it was.  The company building this tunnel was a very old company, very well established.  It was the type of company ... there weren’t many old companies like this left.  Then he found himself looking at maybe a map of the Alps or looking down at the Alps, and the thought occurred to him as he was looking that there would be a major upthrust in the Alps and that the tunnel was not going to be completed, and it would also be the end of the old company who was building it, and it would also mark the end of an era in building in some way.

He said the dream then shifted.  He found himself in a high-rise hotel on a very high floor, maybe even the top, and he was then moved down to the second floor, but this seemed acceptable to him.  He also said that there was several other dreams in succession and he thinks they have a lot to do with that same theme, but he can’t remember those others.  He also had the impression that he had to beware of something.  It’s like something stopped him and said, ’Beware.’  And he wanted me to ask you to see what you could tell him about that.

ELIAS:  This dream imagery is imagery concerning this shift in consciousness.  The tunnel is the imagery of one movement and another movement in consciousness.  These tunnels meet, but in the meeting of these tunnels shall be the ending of one, which is the era of the held, accepted official reality in consciousness, and the new being ushered in, in replacing the old established reality.

VIVIEN:  Oh, that is so neat!  What an interesting dream.

ELIAS:  The viewing of this action is the imagery that is presented to himself of his own viewing of the movement and the accomplishment of this shift in consciousness.  The message is imagery to be noticing and to be holding the awareness that these are massive movements occurring.

VIVIEN:  That’s why he sees them as mountains.

ELIAS:  Correct.  Quite powerful movements objectively and subjectively, in which one shall entirely replace the other, so to speak, although in the meeting and connecting of the tunnels there is also the mergence, which is imagery presented suggestive that certain elements shall remain the same.  You shall continue to inhabit your physical space.  You shall continue interaction in the manner that you are familiar with, to a certain extent, but that the new shall be replacing of the old, and it shall be the end of the era.

VIVIEN:  Gosh, that’s so interesting.  That is so interesting!  Now, when he was moved from the high floor down to the second floor, what was that all about?

ELIAS:  This also is imagery to be suggesting to himself to be remembering to hold to his grounding, so to speak.

VIVIEN:  Okay, I gotcha.  Close to the ground.  Well, that’s really interesting.  Thank you.  A pretty interesting dream altogether.  I actually thought it was more to do with what was going on with the business ... but not!  (Elias chuckles)

Alright, let me see what else I have.  Oh yes, I did want to ask you about my own channeling of my higher consciousness.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  A couple of questions about that.  I think I’m realizing what it is that’s holding me back.  I think I’m a little bit fearful of not being HERE.  I know when Mary channels you, she goes to her own little place and then you take in, and she doesn’t really remember anything that you’ve said when she comes back.  What I’m interested in ... if I succeed in doing this, would I have full awareness of what I’m saying?

ELIAS:  If you are so choosing, yes.

VIVIEN:  Oh, so it could go either way.

ELIAS:  Correct.  It is more probable that you shall allow yourself the awareness objectively, for this also allows you to move into areas and abate your fearfulness in part, for it allows you the feeling of control.

VIVIEN:  I guess, although you really never lose control, do you?

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  You’re always in control, wherever you are, whatever you feel.  I think we think of being out of control when we’re having unpleasant experiences, and being in control when it feels good.

ELIAS:  At times.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  Really, we shouldn’t judge that.  Now, within probabilities, am I moving closer to that channeling?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Oh, good!  Within time frame, would it be within a year?

ELIAS:  This is dependent upon your choices and your movement through your own fear issues.

VIVIEN:  If it’s a conscious choice, I choose to do it right now!  But within probabilities, I guess it could be any time then.

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, I just have to let go of any fear that I have left.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Is it basically that of fear of control?

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, losing control.  But now that I know I can do it with my own consciousness present....

ELIAS:  There are elements of unfamiliarity in these actions and this creates a fearfulness, for the perception is that you shall be losing your control.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, but not really.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  I shall work on it some more.  I’ll get there one of these days.  Oh, and something else that’s just come to me. When I was first going through my hypnotherapy training, I was doing a meditation one afternoon, not really trying to do or be anything in particular, just trying an altered state of consciousness, and it seemed to me that something ... I broke through some kind of a dimensional veil.  My eyes were open, my physical eyes were open, and I was looking out the window, but at the same time I seemed to see a man standing in front of me who kind of said something like, ’Well done!’ or ’You did it!’ or ’You made it!’  He was a little man with glasses, I think, slightly balding.  I don’t know who he was, but it seemed to be a very real experience.  Can you tell me what that was?

ELIAS:  This is a piercing through the veils of probabilities and probable realities ...

VIVIEN:  Oh!  Where did I go?  Where was I?  Where did I find myself?

ELIAS:  ... stepping into another probable reality which you have created in difference to this particular reality.  It is an action of stepping sideways.

VIVIEN:  It was very unusual because I was here at the same time.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Who was that man that I saw?  I didn’t recognize him at all.

ELIAS:  This would merely be another individual which occupies this particular probable reality.  It is not an aspect of yourself.

VIVIEN:  He seemed to be aware that I had broken through something.

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  So in this other reality where he is, what does he do?

ELIAS:  A caretaker.

VIVIEN:  Huh!  A caretaker for people like me who break through every now and again?


VIVIEN:  Oh, a REAL caretaker!

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Like a janitor!

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  Huh!  So when he saw me, what was he seeing?

ELIAS:  You!

VIVIEN:  Was he aware of what he was seeing?

ELIAS:  Correct.

VIVIEN:  In the reality that he’s existing in, is it quite normal?

ELIAS:  Yes.


ELIAS:  But this individual has experienced also these allowances of bleed-through to probable realities, just as yourself.  Therefore, the awareness was held.

VIVIEN:  I was astonished to see him.  Was he astonished to see me?

ELIAS:  Not quite to the extent as yourself!

VIVIEN:  This is so funny!  This is really interesting, bleeding through into probabilities like that, and this is what we’ll be doing when the shift is really completed.

ELIAS:  Absolutely.

VIVIEN:  Wow!  That is so fascinating, and so easy to do!  (Elias chuckles)  I can’t do it when I try to do it, but it just happens very effortlessly when you’re not trying.

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  And that’s the key, isn’t it?

ELIAS:  Precisely.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, not to try.  Just to shift focus.

ELIAS:  Yes.

VIVIEN:  That’s all it is.  You’re just shifting focus.  Hmm.  Wow!  That’s really blown me away!  (Elias chuckles)  A couple more questions and I’ll finish up, but I mentioned before some friends and you gave me their essence family names and so on.  Now my neighbors, Anita and John, they seem to be having conflict within their relationship and they’re really trying very hard to work through it.  Can you give me any kind of information that I could pass on to them that might help them?  (Pause)  That would be Bianca and Mario.

ELIAS:  Hmm.  This is a common experience.  Individuals within many relationships allow themselves, within their own belief systems, to hold to these belief systems and to hold to their rigidness within themselves, and in this do not allow for the acceptance of the other individual.  This is creating of much conflict with many individuals, these in particular also.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  Is there anything that they can do other than just release their rigid attitude to each other?

ELIAS:  Express to be remembering of light-heartedness.  All within your focus is not so very serious!

VIVIEN:  Yeah, that’s the truth, isn’t it!  It really is taking things too seriously.

ELIAS:  As you view through your rigidness in your belief systems, you become very serious, and in this seriousness you lose your effortlessness.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, everything becomes hard work.

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  Yeah, that’s very apparent with both of them in different ways.  Thank you.  I’ll pass that on to them.  The other question I wanted to ask you was for my Chinese friend Qui Feng.  I think she’s come to sort of a crossroads in her life, and really, I don’t know if she’s understanding what direction she wants to take or how she wants to go forward.  She’s returning to China in August, and I think she has very mixed feelings about that.  I wonder if you could give me any information that I could pass on to her that would help her.

ELIAS:  This is a complicated situation.

VIVIEN:  Yes, I guessed that it might be.

ELIAS:  You may express that if this individual is so choosing, that they may be engaging of myself ...

VIVIEN:  Okay.  I think it would do her good.  I think she would be interested in seeing you, speaking with you.

ELIAS:  ... for this situation is requiring of ...

VIVIEN:  Much time.

ELIAS:  ... more information than may be offered in a simple offering of advice.

VIVIEN:  Okay, I’ll give her the phone number.  I think she would be interested in doing this anyway.  Well, I think that’s about it for today.  I can’t think of anything more I wanted to speak with you about, unless you have anything to offer?

ELIAS:  Merely that you continue to be investigating, and that I am acknowledging of your accomplishment!

VIVIEN:  Oh, it’s very validating for me.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  I am also acknowledging of your movement, of which your physical movement is imagery of the inner movement that you are also accomplishing.

VIVIEN:  Yes, I think I was coming to that sort of understanding myself.  I thought, ’My goodness!  Why am I moving again?’  You know, less than a year and off we go again!  I thought, ’No, I’ve just got to go with the flow and understand it as imagery, that it’s also movement of the psychological kind.’

ELIAS:  Quite, and in this there is accomplishment.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  I think anything can be seen as accomplishment as long as you look at it the right way, with the right perception.

ELIAS:  Quite.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  You just have to turn it to your own advantage, and to everybody else’s advantage if you can!  Well, thank you very much, Elias.  Oh!  One more quick question!  I’m going to do a Lawrence -- one more quick little question!  When I hear you talking to me -- other people have asked you this as well -- am I really hearing you?

ELIAS:  Yes.  You may be assured of this.

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  I thought I was.  I see you as Mary, though.  I do have one other image of you and I’m wondering where that one is coming from, looking a little bit like the Oscar Wilde focus, but dark hair and more masculine looking.

ELIAS:  Quite a common image that I present myself within.

VIVIEN:  Was it a physical one you held once?

ELIAS:  Many of my physical manifestations were quite similar.

VIVIEN:  Oh, okay.  Good looking guy!

ELIAS:  Absolutely!

VIVIEN:  Yeah.  Quite a hunk!  (They both laugh)  Alright, Elias.  Thank you very much.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

VIVIEN:  I will speak with you again soon.

ELIAS:  Very well, and I shall be offering you much affection, and express to you this day a very loving au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:08 PM.


(1)  A bit of twin trivia:  I met my ’cosmic twin’ because a co-worker gave me a phone number to call.  This phone number led me to attend a function that Mary also attended, and hence we met.  This co-worker has an identical twin.  Not only do they look exactly alike, their voices are indistinguishable.  According to Elias, this co-worker is a splintered fragment of Mary.

(2)  This is an interesting example of the concept of imagery.  The dream isn’t ’about’ the events surrounding the business, just as the events aren’t about the dream.  Both are imagery of what is occurring subjectively.  Of course, this is just my interpretation.   Vic