Session 200702062


“Energy in the Hands”
“Fatigue, Illness, Sleep and Relaxing”
”Acknowledging that You are Accomplishing”

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Joanne (Saaran)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JOANNE: Good morning, Elias! How are you?

ELIAS: As always. And yourself?

JOANNE: I’m doing well. It’s been a very busy time since we last talked. I have a few quick questions, as I like to get into things. I’m feeling a huge amount of energy in my palms, especially my right palm, and I’m wondering if you could help me with understanding what that is. I don’t think it’s a physical thing, like pinched nerves or anything. I think there’s a flow of energy of some type.

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct. This is quite common with individuals that practice what you would term to be alternative healing and forms of what you term to be Reiki, in which the individual allows a flow of energy and it concentrates within their actual hands, and that allows them to manipulate energy in association with their environment or other individuals. You generating a concentration with manipulating energy in different forms yourself are generating this action naturally.

It is merely a concentration of energy in an area of your physical body that you can incorporate, in a manner of speaking, as a focal point. For you view your hands as tools to manipulate within your environment. Your hands are very instrumental in much of what you do in your actions, and in generating a concentration of energy in the area of your physical hands it allows you to use your hands as a focal point to manipulate energy in whatever manner you choose, almost as if you were manipulating a physical object. The energy becomes so concentrated that you can use that in conjunction with any expression within your environment, yourself also, in manipulating the energy somewhat in the manner that you would manipulate clay.

JOANNE: Okay. So it’s not necessarily me being a healer or doing Reiki, it’s more me consciously creating my life.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: Or consciously creating my reality.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: And that this concentration is me, demonstrating to myself that I am doing this more and more in a conscious way.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: I’ll say conscious level or deliberate, or whatever you want to use. Okay. And it’s in my feet a little bit sometimes, too. That may be a physical thing, but I also get an impression that it might be my form of grounding as well?

ELIAS: Partially, yes. And also, recognize that you have the most concentration of pressure points within your feet, points that connect to every area of your physical body consciousness. Therefore, it is in actuality understandable that you would be somewhat concentrating energy in this area also, for that creates another focal point in which you can manipulate energy, knowing that your feet actually connect to every area of your physical body.

JOANNE: So these sensations are not necessarily me waving my hands like magic wands to create things to appear before my eyes, it’s more me providing myself with a physical sensation of support that I am creating my reality?

ELIAS: And also an evidence of your own power and strength, and an actual display that you actually can manipulate energy in the manner that you want.

JOANNE: Okay. Before we go on, one of the things that happened, I have fish tanks and I accidentally trapped a fish or something happened, and he was dying. And I was holding him in my hands and offering the energy, and really, really wanting him to live. He didn’t end up living. So there’s a couple of things that I’m working with there. I’m not understanding why the fish are dying. Especially it’s one particular type of fish - whenever I buy it, it dies. And I don’t get it. Like if I’m creating my reality and I really want this fish to live, I wasn’t understanding where my creating my reality starts and his choice to disengage fits into it.

ELIAS: It is all interconnected. In this, you are also presenting yourself with a very common trap of association, for individuals very commonly generate the association that if they want a particular manifestation strongly, they should be creating that. That is not necessarily the situation.

You can want many different manifestations quite strongly, or you can think you want it, and that can generate the association that you genuinely do want it; and in that, merely that you want a particular expression or manifestation does not necessarily make it so. For there is to be considered other factors: what you are actually doing, what energy you are presenting, what you are interacting with, what your motivation is, what you are engaging. And in a situation such as this, if you continue to present yourself with similar imagery with the same type of fish, you continue to engage the repeat of the same type of fish and continue to express the same energy. Therefore, you continue to participate with the same manifestation, and you generate the same outcome.

JOANNE: Okay. I’m not clear on what I’m doing, then, what I’m doing and engaging and all that list that you said. Maybe you could help me with that.

ELIAS: Are ALL of your fish dying?

JOANNE: No, not all of them.

ELIAS: But particular fish are dying?

JOANNE: Mm-hm. I know it’s an unusual situation, but yeah. Yes.

ELIAS: And in this, what is your association with the fish that are dying?

JOANNE: Well, they’re beautiful. It’s the male of the fish that dies. And I really want them to stay.

ELIAS: And what is your association with the fish that are not dying?

JOANNE: Well, I’ve had them before, and they’re hardy. And also, you know when they die, it feels like it’s out of control for me. It’s like I’m responsible for their environment, and it bothers me that perhaps I’m doing something that is harmful to them.

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

JOANNE: And the fish that aren’t dying, well… I don’t know. They’re pretty hardy and I’ve had them before, and they’re fine.

ELIAS: And what are you addressing to now and recently?

JOANNE: (Pause) Lots of things. I think the piece with… There’s a lot of male energy stuff going on with that one particular fish.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOANNE: That they won’t stay or things like that. That may be part of it.

ELIAS: Correct. Which is not to say that you are responsible for the choice of the fish, but remember: when you incorporate creatures, they choose to interact with you in cooperation. And as they do not incorporate beliefs or associations as you do, they merely respond to your energy. Therefore, many times when you are addressing to certain issues, your creatures will respond to that energy. They do not incorporate a judgment of disengaging or continuing within physical focus as good or bad. It is merely a choice. And in that, they do not incorporate the association of you being responsible. This is not within their realm of reality.

JOANNE: So regardless of -

ELIAS: They merely respond in cooperation with your energy. If you are generating strong addressings to issues with male energy, creatures may be inclined to remove that energy from you, to not be challenging you.

JOANNE: Well, the other ones that are living are males. So I just think it’s the attachment to wanting them to stay that is the piece for me.

ELIAS: Correct. You are correct. For that is an element of the issue.

JOANNE: Okay.

ELIAS: Your involvement and -

JOANNE: It’s ultimately their choice, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: To disengage?

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct.

JOANNE: So no matter what I do -

ELIAS: Correct.

JOANNE: - they will choose.

ELIAS: Correct. You can place a fish within a mud hole, and if it chooses to continue, it will. Or you can place a fish in the most ecologically balanced conditions, and if it chooses not to continue, it will not.

JOANNE: Well, it’s the same with us.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOANNE: People, too.

ELIAS: You are correct.

JOANNE: So much is happening with me right now. I feel very disconnected in some ways, like especially through my dreams. I’m experiencing almost like a minute would go by, but then I’ve had this whole experience that feels like an alternate reality, like I was engaging with another person that I know or that I’ve heard of. And it’s not a very restful sleep, like so much stuff gets done, and I feel a little bit disconnected - or not disconnected, but… Well, I’ll just use disconnected for now. Can you talk to me about that a little bit?

ELIAS: First of all, in association with sleep and dream activity, it is the association that you hold with sleep and dreams that generate your experience in association with rest. It is not actually a factor. It is your association with it that affects whether you FEEL that you are rested or not.

If you generate the association that being very active within dream imagery or projecting is similar to waking state, for you are creating considerable activity, you do not generate the association with restfulness in that. You disassociate yourself from your body consciousness, and you associate yourself more with what you identify as the mind.

And in that, you do not offer the recognition to the body consciousness that regardless of what you are doing within your sleep state, the purpose of sleep state is to allow the body consciousness a time framework of regenerating and allowing the subjective awareness to be the primary in activation.

JOANNE: Which is what’s happening, but I’m associating that active state of subjective with not being rested.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOANNE: So just hold the intention that I’m fully rested, and I can be just as active. Probably because in my waking state even, when I feel exhausted it’s more a mind exhaustion than it is a physical exhaustion.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: And so with the activity of the subjective, which I am associating with mind – almost like I’m not sleeping – it feels the same, kind of as when I feel exhaustion objectively.

ELIAS: Yes. Which, that is your allowance of the objective awareness to be continuously active.

JOANNE: Am I doing that? Am I still objectively aware in my dreams? Am I still doing…?

ELIAS: If you were not engaging your objective awareness, you would not generate any imagery.

JOANNE: I see.

ELIAS: The more imagery you generate, the more you are engaging your objective awareness in your sleep state.

JOANNE: Okay, so…that’s why I’m feeling tired, or like I’m not sleeping, because I am still engaging objective awareness.

ELIAS: Correct. But you can engage the objective awareness within your sleep state and feel rested. It is more a matter of association and the recognition that regardless of whether you are engaging the objective awareness within your sleep state, you are engaging the action of sleep. And in that, you are allowing the subjective expression, and you are also allowing the body consciousness to be somewhat dormant.

JOANNE: Okay, so the subjective, this engaging objective awareness in sleep, it does not interfere with the subjective being the primary -

ELIAS: No.

JOANNE: - at that time.

ELIAS: No.

JOANNE: It’s just me participating in that action…

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: …objectively.

ELIAS: Yes. You are correct. And as I have expressed previously, in actuality it is not necessary for you to engage actual sleep at all.

JOANNE: Oh. Okay. I like it, though. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Most individuals do. But in that, your body consciousness can rest and regenerate being within a still or semi-still and relaxed position and state of being without actually sleeping, and you can actually generate that and not be fatigued.

Fatigue is generated through certain associations that you generate. It is generated many times very strongly with thinking, and it can be also generated with holding to energy, creating tension. This is the reason that when individuals are experiencing illness they feel fatigued, which is the body consciousness communication to encourage the individual to relax. For illness generates an automatic tension within the body, and when you feel fatigued, this is the body consciousness expressing a communication to you encouraging you to relax.

JOANNE: So, I feel like I have been ill one after the other since September of last year, and normally I don’t get ill that much. And yet, I perceive that I have allowed myself by taking this sabbatic year to be doing nothing, compared to - or very little, compared to what I used to do before. And yet what I’m hearing is that my body is still or my being is still saying, “You need to relax more.”

ELIAS: Relaxing is not necessarily not doing.

JOANNE: Okay. It’s the state of being of flow and ease.

ELIAS: Yes. You can be not doing, physically, and not be relaxed.

JOANNE: Okay. Is that what I’ve been creating? And that’s what the illnesses are showing?

ELIAS: Partially. For you have been engaging considerable movement in addressing to different issues and genuinely re-evaluating yourself. This is not bad. And the generating of tension in association with that is quite understandable and quite natural.

In creating the fatigue or the illness, the body consciousness is merely reminding you to slow your movement, to relax and to not push. But you also incorporate a tremendous zeal in wanting to accomplish being more aware and addressing to different issues and moving into new and different experiences, and therefore you incorporate a strong drive, which has allowed you to generate considerable movement within yourself and offering yourself considerable information, which has been quite valuable.

But in that process, you also are generating tension; and in that, you are also not paying as much attention to your body consciousness as you were previously.

JOANNE: Well, my perception of my paying attention to my body consciousness previously was that I completely ignored it, so my belief was that I was - anyway, it doesn’t matter. I understand what you’re saying, and I really appreciate the reinforcement that I have been moving. I feel like I have really been moving a lot in my… and I feel really vulnerable right now, because the more as I progress, during my process, what keeps being asked of me is to let go of more and more. I mean, the letting go is more a movement into trust. That’s the piece of it, into self. It’s interesting, because the more I’m objective - I don’t know if there’s an association, but I’m very objectively aware in my dreams that it almost seems as if when I go about my objective life, that as I participate in things, I feel like my mind is blocked from seeing or planning what I’m supposed to do, and it’s also I don’t have the ability to think in those situations. But then as I participate, whatever needs to come just kind of comes. Do you know what I mean?

ELIAS: Yes. And I am acknowledging of you. For you, this is an action of shifting. For you have generated a considerable reliance upon thought previously, and you have generated considerable movement in attempting to genuinely become familiar with yourself, incorporating different concepts and allowing yourself to experiment and widen and open yourself, and in that process you are beginning to generate less reliance upon thinking and more trust in knowing.

JOANNE: Following my intuition in each moment, and that it will all be okay, it all is okay.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: Because one of the things that I’ve been experiencing, and it seems like this low-grade pulling feeling inside of me, is it almost feels like a discouragement or a sadness. And one of the things that I recognize is that I don’t feel like I’m afraid of disengaging, like I almost feel it like it’s a freedom place, because subjectively…but also, the discouragement is that in the physical piece, like non integrating - I’m not sure I know how to explain this - that there is no looking outside of myself for me - my subjective awareness is almost me objectively as well. So where before I would have a perspective of myself by looking outward and saying okay, this is what happened and then analyzing it, that’s not kind of happening any more.

But I also don’t feel really confident in my ability to create my reality or my desires. Now, I’m allowing space that there’s a difference between what I think I want and what I actually desire; I’m allowing the space for that. And I feel like all of my desires - my real ones that have consistently come up for me - are right in front of me, but I can’t see them. Like my perception, I’d just like need to tweak my perception in some way. But I Feel them.

So for example, we talked about my three favorite things: money, body and relationship. And so what I’ve been doing is relaxing and allowing that feeling that they are there, that I have created them to be present. And that that is how - not how, but that is the doorway to physical manifestation. Does that make any sense? I’m not trying to intellectualize it. I’m just trying to convert my feelings into words.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

JOANNE: So maybe talk to me a little bit about that. Because I… am I completely off my nut? (Laughs)

ELIAS: No. No, you are not. And I would express that you have expressed yourself quite well and have explained quite accurately what you are experiencing. What is your concern?

JOANNE: Well, my concern - and this is it, that there’s this little piece that is not seeing the physical manifestation. And I’ve been doing this long enough to recognize that it doesn’t always manifest in one great leap, that there are movements, that I move incrementally. And so I’m feeling a pressure of almost an incompetence of being able to manifest physically in a direct manner. And I think that that direct piece is the one that might be tripping me up a little bit.

ELIAS: In what capacity?

JOANNE: Pardon?

ELIAS: In what capacity? To manifest what?

JOANNE: Well, to manifest… let’s use my three: the money, the body and relationship. I’ll use relationship. Okay. I have examples of all three, but let’s use relationship for now because I did a huge clearing, I believe, of some blocks that I had towards even allowing that possibility into my life. And Mary and I were talking about this, that I had no other experience to draw on in this focus that showed any other possibility, like that I could be loved and a man could love me and so on.

And so what ended up happening for me is recognizing that yes, this is…at that point I could feel my whole being focus in on me as Joanne. And I felt the knowing that this was just experiences that I’ve had. Not “just,” but they were experiences that I had, and that doesn’t mean that they have… that they were the only experiences that I could have. And so I allowed them to simply be experiences in me, without judging: okay, they are just experiences now.

And then I allow that I choose to or desire to draw different experiences to me. So it was almost like I let go of one - or, it’s not that I let go of them; I actually let go of the judgment on them or me being those experiences, the totality of me being those experiences, to allowing them just to be experiences in me, and then allowing that I want to attract new experiences in my life in regards to this.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Therefore, what you are letting go of is that equating of your identity with certain experiences.

JOANNE: Mm-hm. And the judgment on those experiences, that they’re good or bad or they really mean anything about me - like you said, the identity.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOANNE: But I didn’t have new experiences in my life to draw on, to say this is as it is. So I felt actually quite brave in that, like it was a real experience for me to not have something to turn to…?

ELIAS: I am understanding.

JOANNE: …at that moment.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And that does allow you to open a door to generate new experiences, for it allows you to stop concentrating upon the old experiences and equating them with your identity. That allows you to perceive yourself differently. And if you are perceiving yourself differently, you can create different choices and different experiences.

But a significant factor in association with all three of your favorite subjects is genuinely coming into an awareness of what you genuinely want, what you genuinely enjoy and what generates genuine comfort with you.

JOANNE: Okay. Can we work with each [of the] three of these, then? Because I keep asking myself what do I want. Like for example, the money issue: I recognize that part of me perceived that as freedom, that it represented freedom. And the other piece, though – and there’s a correlation, there’s an interconnection between all of these three; it’s fascinating to understand that – is that I want to experience so many different things. And one of the things in our physical, money is a… I don’t know HOW or whatever, but I just really… If I’m physically focused, then I want to experience everything without limitation in this physical reality.

Now, part of me, even as I’m telling you that, there’s a voice in my mind going, “You’re going to have to pick and choose. You’re going to have to compromise.” And that voice is the one that I have slowly been saying, Okay, I recognize you’re there and I’m going to choose something different, because if we have to compromise, Elias, then we’re not creating our reality, in my mind anyway.

ELIAS: I am understanding. The key -

JOANNE: Is that like only my view of it or…?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. But the key in this is to genuinely be discovering what generates comfort, satisfaction and enjoyment within you. For when you recognize and are aware of what genuinely generates comfort and enjoyment and satisfaction for you, you can become much more creative and allow a much vaster array of choices in association with SIDE wants.

This is the element that many, many, many individuals overlook, or do not understand, or do not trust or perceive to be ludicrous. And in actuality, it is the central point. It is the central theme of successfully creating what you want.

And as all of your reality IS interconnected and interrelated, in generating the ability to express what satisfies you, what generates comfort and what you enjoy, you can expand upon that and allow the factors of body or relationships or money to be included in the central point. But the most difficult action for most individuals is to discover what that central point is.

For that is a matter of genuinely, intimately, becoming familiar with you and your natural flow of energy. And you begin with what do you genuinely like to do? Which, I am aware, most individuals that I present that question to automatically generate the association and the thought process of either “I am unsure or unclear of what I genuinely like to do,” or “I know what I like to do, but I see no manner in which I can connect that with money or relationships or body.”

JOANNE: I understand that, because one of the things that I am recognizing is that the HOW of it is really none of my business, like objectively. Because part of it, if I start getting caught in the how I’m limited to what my mind knows, the experiences that I’ve had. So I’ve been allowing myself this space to discover what my joys are, and to be quite honest, I realize that I don’t know, that what I thought were my joys were basically what I have been taught and believe I should enjoy or I had to enjoy, or that if I just buckled down and did all the other stuff then I would have time for enjoyment. And that time never came.

So all of these are really… and it was very traumatic for me to realize that it’s easier for me to be in and recognize work and forcing energy than it is for me to recognize what my joy is, that I had no idea.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But this is the journey that you are engaging now.

JOANNE: Right. And that when I allow myself to genuinely acknowledge what my joys are, that they are so different from anything that I have done before, that there is no sense of how I will accomplish it, which is where I need to… like I did before, like go over the how of this, and just go I’m open for the new experiences on how this will show up.

ELIAS: I am aware.

JOANNE: Pardon?

ELIAS: I am aware.

Now; let us engage an example. What have you identified as some of your joys that you have discovered?

JOANNE: Well, at the very core of my being is I love to explore, I love to discover things. Now I know that all of us, that’s what we’re here to do is explore and discover, but I have such a passion for… I’m interested in different things. And what I’m realizing is that I’m not only interested in one thing; I’m interested in lots and lots of different things. For example, some people like to sit down and have a meal of pasta or a little bit of things. I would prefer a buffet, because I get a little bit of everything. That’s what I enjoy.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

JOANNE: And part of me judges that as being unstable, or the things… anyway, I recognize the judgments. I’m not living in the judgments though. They pass through. I also love that exploration is movement in the world. Like, I also enjoy luxury. Now, this is a physical thing. I enjoy it. I want to explore that avenue that I’ve never experienced really before, but I have been.

ELIAS: And what do you like to do physically?

JOANNE: I like to walk. I like to engage people when I choose, not all the time. I like to be in nature. I love to be with kids, and I have a feeling that I’m going to be doing something with children. The essence of Rose keeps coming up for me, too, so… But that’s not right now. I’m not there yet, but…

ELIAS: Now; let us engage a hypothetical example to illustrate how all that you do is interconnected, in relation to what you have expressed in response to my questions. You -

JOANNE: I feel terrified at this moment, just to let you know. (Elias laughs) Go ahead.

ELIAS: This is a hypothetical example, merely to offer you an imaginative encouragement.

JOANNE: Okay.

ELIAS: You enjoy nature. You enjoy your gardening, correct?

JOANNE: Yeah. And my indoor plants.

ELIAS: Now; let us incorporate a new picture, hypothetically, of a possibility that you could engage the action of gardening and engage all different types of plants; and in that, create a magnificent garden that could be shared with many other individuals or could even be incorporated in sharing with children, to allow them to experience their world in a new appreciation. And in the incorporation of this action, perhaps it would involve travelling to many different areas of your world to discover different and new types of plants, and to investigate what those plants require in their environment to thrive, and how that could be created in environments that they are not necessarily native to.

Therefore, you are now travelling, which I am well aware that you enjoy. You are engaging investigations and new discoveries, therefore new stimuli, which I am aware that you enjoy. You are engaging activities that are pleasurable to you. It would allow you also to interact with many different individuals in many different cultures, which would allow you to input many different new philosophies and ideas into your awareness and to provide an avenue in which you can share with other individuals.

This would also generate physical activity, which would naturally engage the body consciousness. And therefore, the body consciousness would also be responding in different manners, more in keeping with your want in relation to the form and the presentment of it that you want. It also would allow for a considerable exposure with other individuals, and connecting and sharing with other individuals, which allows you to shine and to connect with other individuals that generate commonalities with you, and therefore opening doors for relationship.

In this, you can incorporate money, body, relationship, what you enjoy, what you appreciate. You can generate fun. You can generate satisfaction, comfort, travel. You can incorporate luxury, exoticness. You can incorporate involvement with your environment. You can incorporate involvement with small ones and engaging their enthusiasm with what you share. There is ALL of these different expressions that are ALL interconnected that all spring from one sprout.

JOANNE: What you’ve described is something - it’s a little bit different, but I have envisioned that. And there’s an extra branch on that where I also facilitate other people discovering their joys and helping them in the business perspective of setting up their own whatever.

ELIAS: And that can… And you are correct.

JOANNE: It’s fabulous. I’m just wondering… Like, I haven’t manifested it yet. Am I blocking something or am I moving there? Am I …?

ELIAS: You are moving. It is merely a matter of beginning.

JOANNE: Beginning?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: Okay.

ELIAS: Not merely thinking, but doing.

JOANNE: Okay. So I’m waiting, then, I’m not…

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: This is my… I don’t know what to do, to be honest. I’ve been travelling around the world, understanding that stuff. I’ve been spending money. I have no ability now not to spend money. It’s like there’s a knowing inside of me that says no, everything is fine. Go ahead.

ELIAS: Now perhaps in your next travel generate a step. Incorporate an action. Perhaps, in your spending of money, purchase a plant.

JOANNE: I have been. I’ve purchased many plants recently, and I’ve purchased… Like last year I went on… I flew business class, to experience the luxury. So I am doing that. But maybe part of me feels like I’m not doing enough. I should also have all the answers on how this is going to manifest.

ELIAS: It is not a matter of incorporating all of the answers. It is a matter of merely doing, and generating each step. If you are incorporating your plants, what would a next step be? Incorporating an area in which you can cultivate them. Not necessarily generating the step of “I must purchase an area of land in which I can create this…”

JOANNE: No, but that’s out there in my dream. And I just… My brother just flew in, and he built me a plant stand. And so… (Both laugh) What you’re telling me is those things that I know. I’ve already… I see what you’re saying. What’s ending up happening is -

ELIAS: You ARE doing. You are merely not acknowledging yourself that you ARE accomplishing, that you ARE moving in the direction that you want. THAT is -

JOANNE: Did you do that purposely? (Elias laughs) Did you do that backhanded? Well done! (Elias laughs) So, when I’m fearing not - when I’m fearing this spending, I’m not fearing it, I’m just spending money as if I have millions and billions, limitless amounts, and just keep doing that. Like not go into the fear on it, just allow myself… There’s no anxiety when I’m spending it. There’s a peace about it.

ELIAS: Congratulations. You ARE accomplishing. Now the point is to acknowledge yourself that you are.

JOANNE: Okay. Okay. I can do that. (Sighs). I think. I can do that (Elias chuckles). So I’m not waiting, and I really am doing.

ELIAS: You are doing.

JOANNE: It’s just doing in a different form than I’m used to.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOANNE: And keep trusting myself.

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles)

JOANNE: Why are you giggling?

ELIAS: New revelations each moment.

JOANNE: It’s true. Mary and I talked about it. The contractions are getting closer and closer together.

ELIAS: Ah! And in that, be encouraged that you shall actually give birth.

JOANNE: Okay. And not keep waiting for it, just enjoy the process.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOANNE: I can do that.

Okay. Well, I think we’re out of time now. I really appreciate you leading me down the path of acknowledgement (both laugh), towards acknowledgement. So thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. I shall be anticipating our next meeting and your progress report of your accomplishment and your ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

JOANNE: I’ll keep doing. You’ll see the plants shining in my home a year from now.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. I express tremendous appreciation to you, my friend, and great lovingness. In dear, dear friendship. Au revoir.

JOANNE: Au revoir.

(Elias departs after 1 hour 1 minute)