Session 2730

“The Benefit of Discomfort”
“This Current Phase of Shifting”
“Medical Advice versus Intuition”
“Exercise: Create a List of What You Enjoy Doing”

Sunday, March 1, 2009 (Private)

Participants: Mary (Michael), Daniil (Zynn) and Natasha (Nichole)

(Elias’ arrival time is unknown.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BOTH: Good morning!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And what shall we discuss?

DANIIL: First, do you have anything to say to Mary?


DANIIL: My grandmother died about ten days ago. It used to be that we had some connections, and perhaps she made me think about the transition and try to imagine how it will be. There seems to be some energy exchange that I have with her. What is going on there? Something is there?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, which subsequently you can choose whether to continue that or not. But presently, the reason that you are tapping into that energy easily is that it remains present. It has not blinked in yet. Therefore, that energy remains present in this reality, regardless of the condition of the body consciousness. In that, some individuals that express an openness can easily tap into that presence of that energy, and you will feel a strong connection. You may even sense or feel different elements of information.

DANIIL: So even though usually for people who die there is a blink, you’ve said fourteen days, but for me it is an opportunity to communicate. What I was doing, it made me think about her more. I was trying to send her energy, saying you will be okay and be fine, and just feel friendly. I also remember you telling some people that while they were thinking they were helping their family or whoever, it sometimes went more so in reverse, that the dying person may be helping in a way, by sending some energy or giving some opportunity.


DANIIL: In about four days, it will be fourteen days, and I may feel a change, right? It will not be accessible in the same way? (Pause)

ELIAS: That is dependent upon you and your openness. You may feel or sense somewhat of a change temporarily, and that change may be very brief. The reason that you might encounter a change would be associated with the attention of the individual, for once the individual blinks in, remember, they do not remember their death. Therefore, temporarily they think they are continuing within physical focus.

Now; in relation to that, their energy will be directed in a similar manner that you direct your energy within physical focus. As an example, when this individual was in physical focus, you may not have been directing your energy or your attention to her, and therefore, she would not necessarily feel your energy.

DANIIL: So let’s say if she feels that she is living in Israel where she lived after her separation, then she may feel less of me; but if she finds herself back in her home country of Lithuania where we lived in the same apartment and interacted more, she may potentially think of me more.

ELIAS: Correct.

DANIIL: Can that be influenced by me thinking of her...?

ELIAS: Yes, it can be. Let me express to you, although the individual perceives themselves to be continuing within physical focus, it is not uncommon for them to alter what their reality is and view that as normal. Such as, an individual may include in their physical reality or their perceived physical reality other individuals that they love or care for that were not necessarily in physical proximity to them when they died.

They may include other factors. Many times the individual, if they incorporated an animal that they were exceptionally close to but perhaps that animal was participating in their life experience when they were a child, they may insert that animal into their reality to be participating also. It is not unusual for individuals to include elements that they are very fond of, or that they want to do. In this, those very factors many times contribute to them remembering. For they become somewhat inconsistent, and that sparks curiosities and questioning and is, in actuality, a helpful process to engage that remembering of their death.

DANIIL: For example, her son, when she is in transition she would mostly think about her son, even though her son was the one interacting with her least, and she would not recognize me or my mom. Now she may place him in her environment and kind of compensate or surprise herself with him being next to her.

ELIAS: Correct.

DANIIL: What is her essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Margene. (No spelling offered)

DANIIL: I was thinking yesterday her name is Miriam, and I was thinking that her essence name may be similar.

My openness, how am I doing in the area of openness?

ELIAS: (Laughs) And what would your assessment be?

DANIIL: My assessment is that it fluctuates, as usual. I’m trying to remind myself that whatever I’m interacting with is part of me or part of a projection of other people which I make my own. I’m trying to use that mantra that circumstances don’t matter as much as my state of being. I’m trying to remind myself of my mantra. Sometimes I surprise myself, like I stayed at work all night — all day, all night and all day again — and I felt almost young again. I was able to work. I was able to stay in the moment and do it.

NATASHA: I was amazed, working three shifts in a row with no sleep or break. And played well in a game with me! That’s his intent. Amazing! (Elias chuckles)

DANIIL: At the same time, sometimes I surprise myself in different ways. We were driving here and all of a sudden I got car sick, suddenly and violently. I tried to remind myself that I brought this in upon myself, maybe to distract myself or bring myself back to the moment. But it’s hard to believe initially, because it makes you so uncomfortable and you think why did I do that to myself?

ELIAS: That is the most common question, is it not? Whenever you generate any experience that is uncomfortable or distressing, the most common question is “why would I do that to myself?” You automatically move in the direction of why could I not present the same information to myself in a pleasant manner. The response to that is you exist in a physical reality that includes in its blueprint duality.

Duality is the expression of balance. When you are comfortable, you maintain or you seek to maintain. When you are uncomfortable, you seek to change. That is the balance. If you are always comfortable, you will not seek to change or you will seek to maintain. The change is what allows you to expand. Therefore, you maintain comfort for as long as possible in any given time framework, and subsequently you insert experiences that are in some capacity uncomfortable to motivate you. You generate less motivation if you are continuously comfortable, and this is natural.

DANIIL: So that is similar to the idea of the flow in the book that Natasha read, where if it is too easy you are bored, but if it is too difficult you are discouraged, but if you keep it in the middle, enough challenge but not too much, then you flow.

ELIAS: Correct, which is the balance. It is not a matter of eliminating any discomfort, it is not a matter of creating utopia, but to minimize the discomfort and to generate whatever discomfort you do in whatever capacity in a manner that you can accept and not view it as bad.

DANIIL: So back to my openness, though. It fluctuates a lot. If I take my physical body as a communication to me, sometimes I can run up the stairs and feel just great, and sometimes I run up the stairs and feel like an old man, breathing heavily and so on. That shows me how physical changes with the rest of me, right?

ELIAS: At times. That is not always an indicator of how open you may be in a particular moment. It may be associated with many different factors. Just as in the balance with duality, you also incorporate what you know as moods. In one situation, your mood, so to speak, may be much lighter. Therefore, your energy is lighter, and you may engage some physical activity with ease. In another moment, your mood may be heavier, which would generate more thickness. That is not to say that you may not be open. It merely is an indicator that your body consciousness is responding to your mood. In that, your energy may be thicker, and therefore, it may be more difficult to engage a physical action. But that is not necessarily an indicator of how open you are in either of those moments. You could be generating a very light mood and a very light energy, and your body consciousness may engage energetic activities easily and not be open and be expressing automatic pilot.

DANIIL: But this thickness, though, is that a natural side of me, a natural season, a natural pendulum swing, or is that an indication that I’m hiding somewhere, I’m not open somewhere? Because you usually advocate lightness, it seems, as opposed to thickness.

ELIAS: Yes, but also, remembering the duality, you all engage this natural complement within yourself. You engage moments in which you may be heavier, so to speak, and other moments in which you may be lighter. Generally speaking, those moments in which you are heavier are some of the uncomfortable moments. You are generally not as comfortable in those situations as you are when your energy is being expressed lighter, but once again, that is also a motivator. You pay attention.

DANIIL: When I notice myself heavy, would it be better, generally speaking — I know she will be smiling (pointing to Natasha) — more beneficial to try to approach it as a signal to change something and attempt to become lighter, or would it be more beneficial to just go with my heaviness and thickness, just accept whatever comes and wait for it to dissipate?

ELIAS: In general, it would depend upon the moment. Presently in this wave, I would suggest that you allow yourself to acknowledge it and not to push through. For in this wave, that will merely exacerbate the situation. It is more advisable to allow yourself to be whatever you are in a particular moment and acknowledge that and not attempt to push through it or to tremendously alter it. It will dissipate itself.

NATASHA: Let me clarify something. We are talking here about light and heavy, thick and thin, and open and closed. Is it all the same thing? “Open” meaning more exposed? Is that the same as being more light?

ELIAS: No, not necessarily.

NATASHA: How is he doing in terms of being open and exposed, because I’m curious myself. I do myself have an impression; I just want to see what you think.

ELIAS: I will express that you are progressing and that you are generating more of an openness. You are paying more attention, and you are evaluating within yourself in relation to what you feel and what you are doing, allowing yourself to view different aspects of yourself even if initially they are not necessarily pleasant. You are allowing yourself to view and experience yourself, and that is significant progress.

DANIIL: Thank you. So, the state of my physical body consciousness is not in any kind of emergency? I don’t have to start taking medicine for cholesterol or something like that? I’m doing okay?


DANIIL: I take this dog sleeping on my lap as an indicator that I’m trustworthy. (Elias chuckles) Sometimes my perception is lately as if I was going out to sea and losing sight of the familiar shore. I know my life is there, I know it’s going smooth, I know I like to be where I am, but yet I don’t know where I am. It’s like I’m at sea and I don’t have anything to grasp for.

NATASHA: Do you know where you want to be?

DANIIL: I have no clue!

ELIAS: And I will express to you, my friend, that your boat is very crowded! (Daniil laughs) For I will express that most individuals are experiencing very similarly. I would express if you incorporated the most immense boat in your reality, it would still be very crowded! (Chuckles) This is a part of this phase of shifting.

Now; this phase of shifting, which is very much being pushed along in this present wave, is moving you into a new recognition and definition of identity. To this point, and throughout your history, individuals viewed their identity as being shaped by their experiences. They viewed their identity as incorporating their experiences as part of their identity, and all influences. But your individual identity is independent of all of those factors. This is what is very unfamiliar. What you are doing is stripping away the outside influences and the experiences and exposing to yourself who you are, genuinely who you are.

“You” in your identity is stable and remains the same regardless of whatever influences or experiences you incorporate. That is the core, and this is what you are moving into, the discovery of that. What you will begin to recognize in this exploration is that what is a part of your identity are your guidelines. But you will begin to view that very differently than how you have viewed it previously.

NATASHA: Are you saying that your own guidelines are going to change, that you’re going to define for yourself your guidelines?

ELIAS: Your guidelines are not changing, but you will see them and understand them differently in recognizing that they are an element of your individual identity and who you are. In this, what you are stripping away from that identity is all that you have learned, all that you have been taught, all that you have experienced, all the outside influences and opinions and associations, and moving into a genuine recognition...

NATASHA: Is there going to be anything left? I’m afraid I’m not gonna find anything there!

ELIAS: Ah, but you will! And I would express that beyond the initial experiences, you will discover a magnificence. Initially, there may be some elements that may be unsettling, unnerving, overwhelming, perhaps even slightly frightening, for it is very unfamiliar, and as you expressed in your analogy quite eloquently, there is no familiar to grasp to. But what is being born out of that unfamiliar is the genuine core of you.

DANIIL: I have the impression that openness seems to be helping. In my case, for example, I was afraid to open up because I was judging myself about how people would think of me. Now that I let myself go and open a little bit, I recognize that my expression is my expression and is not necessarily good or bad, and my friends may like it or they may tire of it. This is fine too. But I express, they express, and life goes on. So this openness allows me to switch attention more to me.


DANIIL: Another thing is that is what many mystical schools used to talk about. Some people said that initially you would feel empty and all of a sudden you will discover that you are full of light, or in Castaneda’s writing, they have a practice of recapitulating their life so that they get rid of those outside influences or recognize them better and free themselves. In Sufi poetry, they say about forgiving the dream and going back to inner reality and so on.


DANIIL: Now that the emotional wave is there, sometimes I’m watching movies and shows and I’ll all of a sudden become extremely emotional. So that is another part of opening up. I’ll let myself cry it out and get rid of all those complexes and emotional blockages.

ELIAS: Yes, and many times these are outlets for releasing energy. Two of the most effective expressions and outlets for releasing energy are crying and laughing.

DANIIL: That’s why Osho (Rajneesh) had five minutes of crying and five minutes of laughing meditation.

ELIAS: These are two actions that are very effective at releasing energy, which is very beneficial, for that allows you to relax.

DANIIL: It doesn’t matter what you started crying about, because you’re really crying about something else, anyway. It’s just a release of all that. It doesn’t matter if it happened right now or happened ten years ago. You just cry it out.

ELIAS: Correct.

DANIIL: Interesting about recognizing your own guidelines. Yesterday we were talking about “My Cousin Vinny,” the movie, and I told Natasha I liked it so much, and the Sumari part of it seems to somehow resonate with me so strongly and with all my friends. But she was irritated by it, but I almost identified it as my own. This is how I deal with life. I’m in a situation where I don’t quite know what to do, it’s serious and I’m trying to do my best, and yet I feel this sense of comedy around it, and it’s funny. Something in her doesn’t accept it. This is about differences, I think. Also, I told Natasha that if she was watching the movie today, she would probably take it better because she takes me better.

ELIAS: That is possible.

DANIIL: I wanted to ask you, for example in astrology, if I was to analyze the charts, like the astrological sign of Sagittarius, and I said one expression, like enthusiasm, this person might not always receive it well because Sagittarius has some disharmonious aspects to it. Is there something about families like that? Perhaps this movie, in its expression of Sumari, creates a negative resonance in Natasha because she has some aspect about Sumari that is like a counterpart action or something.

ELIAS: At times, in certain expressions, yes, that can occur, just as it occurs that certain combinations of families create a balance and a harmony. There are some combinations of qualities that also may create a discord.

DANIIL: I had said this movie is Sumari and you said acceptable. That means there is something more precise. (To Natasha) You said Ilda. Is it Ilda?


NATASHA: (Laughs) I don’t remember what I said!

DANIIL: (To Natasha) Okay, I’ll turn it over to you now.

NATASHA: I’m going to go pretty much along his lines, but from my perspective. I realize that the questions I prepared are all related, and that basically one goes to another. Generally, I wanted to talk to you about my state of being right now, and a kind of a conundrum.

I visited the doctor and the doctor told me I need to take blood pressure medication, high blood pressure medication, because of the things it may do to me in the future, damage to my organs and blah blah blah. So let’s start with medicine, and actually (inaudible) and projects into my current life, how I see it and how I view it kind of conundrum. On one hand, I understand logically the doctors are my creation. This is a doctor I created and I go to the doctor for whatever reason, but objectively the imagery doesn’t matter and I wanted to go to the doctor and I wanted to hear his words. On the other hand, my logic tells me and my gut tells me, I don’t know, it’s telling me I’ve lived with this pressure for all my life and somehow my body has adjusted to it. If I take this medication, I may kind of screw up my own balance. I’m having like equilibrium of reasoning — one type of reasoning and another type of reasoning, and I don’t know which one to choose.

ELIAS: I would express that this situation is, in actuality, quite simple. You chose to engage the physician for that is in alignment with your beliefs, and that would be natural for you to engage that action, not opposing yourself. You offered yourself information through the physician, but you are also offering yourself your own information through your intuition. They are not necessarily at odds with each other. One may be merely offering you clarification in information, what your body consciousness is doing, and in that, you are also offering yourself your own communication in how to address to it.

I am understanding that you incorporate a certain trust for your physicians and that engaging them is an action that is not opposing of your own beliefs, but that is not to say that you will always agree with your physicians. At times, you may not agree with your physician, and in those situations, it is important to listen to your intuition.

NATASHA: It is important, and I have had this opinion for quite a while, that since teenage years I’ve had higher than normal blood pressure. To me, it makes sense, and I’m afraid if I start taking this medicine, I can’t maintain this equilibrium, so to speak. But again, the logical part of me is saying you may be mistaken and you may just be imagining all this just to avoid taking this medicine. I don’t know when to trust my intuition. What is my intuition and what is my logical thinking? I don’t even know the source of the information.

ELIAS: Your logic may not always be correct, and in a situation such as this in which you feel pulled in two directions, remember, listening to your intuition is an action you can trust, and it is also not a situation set in stone. It may not be a situation of either/or, either I engage the medication or I do not. It may be a situation in which the reason you are generating this conflict within yourself is that you are not ready. Therefore, my suggestion is that you listen to your intuition until the point that that changes.

NATASHA: Do you know how I understand you? I will listen to my messages. What’s going to happen is I’m not going to do anything and then something bad happens and then I’ll be forced to take medicine! I might hear it like this as well: “I’d better go and take this medicine right now.” I understand what you’re saying; I understand that you cannot tell me to take it or not to take it. You’re telling me to listen to myself.

ELIAS: Yes, and your feeling is that it is not necessary, correct?

NATASHA: My feeling is not to, yes, but also the flavor to this feeling is that both are logical. It’s all based on prior experience. I don’t feel it, I have never felt it, but they say it’s a silent killer; I may never feel it. So I started doubting myself. Because both are logical — what medicine is telling me is logical and what I’m telling myself is logical, too — two logical things. I don’t know if it’s logic that I’m telling to myself that I’m gonna be okay, or it’s intuition. I’m not quite sure.

ELIAS: Yes, that is intuition. It is not wishful thinking.

Now; in this, is your fear stronger than your intuition, or is your intuition stronger than your fear?

NATASHA: I don’t know. It changes.

ELIAS: That is an element to consider, for that is important. If your fear of not engaging the medication is greater than your intuition, that is not to say that your intuition is incorrect but that your fear can very well override it. Therefore, it is a matter of being confident in relation to your intuition, or recognizing that your fear is somewhat stronger than your intuition, which creates the potential of generating that type of energy in which you would create the manifestation.

NATASHA: Now I understand, Elias. Thank you.

ELIAS: Very well.

NATASHA: Now I feel myself in this conundrum. On one hand, I don’t feel like I have to do anything, and on the other hand I feel comfortable realizing some things about my life and the way my everyday goes, and realizing that the things I do have structure. I do like going to work, even though I hate to admit it, but I do like going, but I like it to be in a comfortable and not stressful manner, and I’m kind of trying to maintain it now. On the other hand, I feel that I’m in this kind of limbo state, that I’m too lazy to do anything to advance, to go further. Knowing the wave and the Shift that is happening, I don’t know what to do! I don’t want to push myself on the one hand, but on the other hand, I am feeling that I am just lazy and don’t want to do anything, but how the heck am I gonna get satisfaction from the life that I’m living?

ELIAS: Which is very similar to you. (Indicating Daniil)

DANIIL: Yes. Let me express, I feel in a very similar manner! (Elias laughs)

ELIAS: And once again, you are not being lazy, and it is advisable not to push. Although it seems that your motivation is diminished and you are uncertain as to what direction to engage, this is all a part of this element of shifting, this piece of the identity. For what you are lacking presently is knowing what you want, knowing what is satisfying, knowing what is stimulating and where your passion genuinely lies. That is what you are uncovering.

NATASHA: I don’t see anything.

ELIAS: Correct, for in order to view that, you must uncover, and this is the process of uncovering.

NATASHA: Doing nothing is a process of uncovering?

ELIAS: Actually, yes. It seems that you are doing nothing, for it seems that you are merely going through the motions, in your terms. But in doing that, you are also stripping away associations and those pieces, so to speak, that you have attached to your identity of experiences and outside influences and what you have learned and what you have been taught. You are stripping those pieces away to uncover.

Now; in this, you are not necessarily engaging a physical action, but it is occurring.

NATASHA: I don’t think I’m even engaging in a mental action. It’s my usual mental chatter, nothing more than that.

ELIAS: But it matters not.

DANIIL: Remember you told me your memories are stored in your ass? (Elias laughs with Natasha)

NATASHA: I read it in Castaneda’s books.

DANIIL: So maybe you need to move your attention from your chatter to the real thing! (Laughter continues)

ELIAS: It is a matter of recognizing that this period in which you feel somewhat disconnected, you feel somewhat unmotivated, you feel that you are merely engaging the motions and are more robotic than yourself, that is your definite indicator that you are in that process of uncovering. For, the reason that you feel robotic is that that is the shell that you have been existing in throughout your life.

DANIIL: You thought it’s real, you thought it’s you, but now you’re discovering you have to go beyond, inside.

NATASHA: That’s what scares me.

ELIAS: Ah, but that is the beauty! For once you break open that shell, there is a magnificent brilliance within it. There is a gem within it. That is what you are uncovering and discovering, is that gem.

DANIIL: Some mystics said that when they reached enlightenment, they were laughing and they were surprised, not by how magnificent it is, but also that it was always there and how come they didn’t notice it before.

ELIAS: Correct.

NATASHA: I’m gonna be just like those mystics, revered mystics and ever feel it? I wonder. Am I ever going to live to that age?

ELIAS: I would express, you will. It is a great discovery. It is not utopia, but it is a great discovery, and it is the discovery that will allow you to genuinely be you and direct yourselves fully in your own direction, independent of what you have been taught.

This is not to say that you will throw away all that you have been taught, but that you will recognize the difference of whatever expressions have been taught and what is actually you. In that difference, you will generate much more clarity in relation to what you genuinely want and what you genuinely want to do.

NATASHA: Knowing that, yes. Knowing that the Shift is going on, the wave is coming, I’m in a way, when talking to myself, I say that you have to find something you like to do, you have to perform, you have to find something you’re good at, something that you can do and enjoy and still make a living. In conversations with myself, I understand that. It creates a pushy mood, that I need to push myself. But I’m pushing myself, and I’m still not finding anything. I’m pushing myself into emptiness, in that respect, because I don’t know. I’m trying to catch here and there what I like; I’m trying to watch myself. But I like all those things, but I don’t like the repetitiveness of it, because I get satisfied with something once I spend some time with it. So it’s all short-lived, and I cannot find what I would really like to do constantly.

ELIAS: Let me offer each of you an exercise. Engage an action of creating a list.

Now; on this list, you will note all the actions that you enjoy doing. Regardless of what it is, it matters not. It may be sipping a cup of coffee, it may be playing a game, it may be engaging a film, it may be listening to music, it may be engaging a walk, it may be taking a bath. It matters not. Allow yourself to genuinely think of all the actions that you engage and which actions you genuinely enjoy. This list shall be placed upon one side of your paper. Upon the other side of your paper, alongside of each action listed, write one feeling that is most associated with the action, what is the feeling that produces the enjoyment.

Once you have generated these two lists, side by side, move through them, move through the feelings of all of the actions, and imagine what other actions you could possibly engage that would invoke the same feelings. This will require imagination. For this is an exercise in expanding; this exercise is designed to influence yourself to expand.

DANIIL: My suspicion is that in my case my list of feelings will be very repetitive, redundant. It may be one feeling.

ELIAS: That matters not!

DANIIL: For me, I like it when I’m in the moment. If I’m programming and I forget myself in it, I like it. When I’m with my friends and I forget myself in it, I like it.

NATASHA: I think the basis of any feeling is that you go upwards, up the hill, and you reach satisfaction. You stay there sometimes and then that’s it, and then the process repeats. I think that’s the basis of any feeling. It reaches a climax and then that’s it.

ELIAS: Yes, I agree, but if you are genuinely evaluating what you are feeling, it may not be an emotional feeling. It may be, but it may not be. In some actions that you enjoy, it may be a feeling of comfort. It may be a feeling of calm. It may be a feeling of excitement.

NATASHA: To me, these are all emotional feelings.

ELIAS: These are all different feelings that accompany different actions. It is not always the same feeling. Therefore, it is a matter of evaluating what are you genuinely feeling and what other actions can you imagine that you could possibly create that same feeling with. Even if you do not incorporate the experience yet but you can imagine it...

DANIIL: Yes, I agree. On my list would be when I try to solve a problem, fix something, and I exercise my ability to change things. Then I am very focused and very intent.

ELIAS: And determined.

DANIIL: And determined, and that’s one thing that I like a lot. Then I might be relaxed and comfortable and not thinking of anything, but I like it as well, and that would be comfort feeling.

ELIAS: Correct, yes. You will recognize that some actions may be different and may express the same feeling. That matters not. But it is important to define the different feelings that you invoke in different actions.

NATASHA: It will show us actually what we like on paper, and give some names to it.

ELIAS: Yes. In this, it allows you to practice in imagination, and expand that and inspire you in different directions. Some feelings that you may enjoy may even be competition, in some situations. You may engage some action with other individuals that you genuinely enjoy, and the reason that you genuinely enjoy it is that you feel competitive and you are pushing yourself to win. Winning is also an enjoyable feeling.

Therefore, as you can see, there are many different feelings that accompany different actions. You may not feel excited in drinking a cup of coffee. You may very well enjoy drinking a cup of coffee, for it may be soothing or it may be calming to you.

DANIIL: Winning, I have a double feeling about it. Sometimes I like to compete and I like to win, and when I compete sometimes I’m so determined and so concentrated, and at certain types of conditions I was very good. But now, I feel almost ashamed of that, because I’m trying to accept all individuals and realize equal values of all, and this winning part is like what kind of idiot am I, why am I trying to win.

ELIAS: It is not wrong; it is not bad. I am aware that I have expressed many times in discouraging of competition, but in certain situations, competition is not bad.

DANIIL: When it is taken playfully.

ELIAS: Yes. When you are focused upon competition in some manners, it is detrimental. When it is focused in a manner of discounting, it is an expression to be addressed to. But in some situations, in playful situations, competition is not bad and can be very stimulating and motivating. Therefore, it is a matter of, once again, the duality — not duplicity, duality — and discovering the balance, the complement.

DANIIL: One interesting thing about competition is whenever I feel Natasha, I may be at sea and not know what to grasp to, but one thing I can trust is feeling her. It brings me comfort. It’s easy for me to compete, because she always brings me first and foremost an aura of calming, enjoyable comfort.

NATASHA: I can’t keep up with you!

DANIIL: But sometimes you want me to be more excited and passionate and all that!

NATASHA: Because you are sleeping all the time! (Laughter) Thank you so much, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friends, as always. I express tremendous affection to you each and great encouragement. You are proceeding well! Regardless that you think you are not, you are. (Chuckles) Until our next meeting, my dear friends, au revoir.

Elias departs after 1 hour, four minutes.